Arwen Undómiel the Evenstar, Queen of Elves & Men - Epic Character History
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- Arwen was the daughter of Elrond and the wife of Aragorn, and was one of the last memories of the Eldar in Middle-earth. Today we explore her story! Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on Arwen in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Aragorn: I mistook you for Lúthien herself. I thought I had fallen into a dream...
Arwen: Yeah, I hear that a lot.
I really like the story of Aragorn and Arwen, both in the books and in the films. It is a depiction of true love, where each wanted what was best for the other, rather than the usual depiction of ¨love¨ in most forms of popular media, which is really just lust and/or obsession, where each only really cares about their own needs. This story is like a beautiful island in the midst of all that.
Yes, that's what I really like about it! I can't stand most sappy romance in fiction.
One could say lotr is a love story 🤣
The fact that she gave up her Konami Code (immortality) to live one life with Aragorn is true love
True love is a God that fulfilled the Law, made the Son out of that Law, Resided in that Son, gave the Son for the sin of the World, Gave us New Covenant through his obedience and The New Testament Church. But yes in the LOR Arwen absolutely was the example of a godly woman.
@@actsismmljcorrectlyobeyed6190 I’m a Muslim but I respect your opinion
Konami Code is only 30 lives.
@@herbiehusker1889 shh don’t tell Aragorn
@@herbiehusker1889 Good thing the True God doesn't offer limited warranties.
Arwen may seem like an ornament, but she is really an interesting hidden gem in the story. She was always there in Aragorn's heart and inspired him in his quest, and the banner of Elendil and the White Tree that she sent with the Grey Company also increased morale among the Grey Company and helped them later in the Pelennor Fields to finally defeat Sauron's forces both physically and psychologically and win the battle. She made a true sacrifice giving up her immortality because she would rather have one life with Aragorn than have an immortal life without him.
My grand daughter is also Arwen, she just graduated and is doing great.
I imagine our home Lothorian and I the Lady Galadriel. Only she looks better than me!
I am only human after all.
Thanks for the great story.
Can I marry your grand daughter if I unite two Kingdoms?
@@GandalftheWise Gandalf is pretty old, Arwen is young, even for an elf. Sorry she has to wait for the King to return.
Arwen is such an interesting character in a way that you can identify her as someone who has a desire to go onto a very different than your family would. It does come to show that even if you come from the most notable families (for Arwen coming from the elven family of Rivendell) you can still find your own destiny.
I mean arwen and aragorn are like 64th cousins but its whatever 🤣
@@championsgaming1 or like first cousins 64 times removed lol
Just put it this way: Elrond went to Valinor and talked to his wife, Celebrian, "Arwen became mortal. We may never see her again". How sad. Elrond story is always sad since childhood. 😭😭😭
I feel the end of Arwen's story is made the more poignant because she never got to say goodbye to her mother. JRRT describes (briefly) her parting with her father as incredibly painful for both, but Celebrian is like a ghost in the story. Perhaps this mirrors JRRT's loss of his father in faraway South Africa? --and of course his mother some years later. He never really knew his father, so the loss of his mother was more of a blow. (JRRT's wife, Edith, was also an orphan.) It is noteworthy that so many characters in LOTR are orphans or half-orphans--Aragorn, Frodo, Sam, Boromir and Faramir, Eowyn and Eomer, and Arwen in that her mother can't come back to Middle-earth.
Another beautifull aspect of her story is the fact that, as the descendant to Beren and Luthien (the first marriage between elf and man) she ended up being the queen over all free men and elves. :)
I remember being mad that Glorfindel was going to be replaced in the movie by Arwen....to give her a bigger part. But I have to say, now...that it was for the best. Just because Liv Tyler transformed this character into such an icon in our minds. Arwen is bigger in my heart and mind than she ever was before. And I'm thankful for that.
I guess I'm in the minority for women, but I've never been into romance stuff in my fiction. More often than not, it's shallow and contrived. But LOTR surprised me with how much I cared about these couples. I think it's because they were each people in their own right. They had a part to play in the greater world. It wasn't an inward-turned, "just all about us" type of thing. They all had responsibilities, a calling, their own separate burdens. And they were all willing to sacrifice their own wishes in order to fulfill their higher calling in the world. The relationships felt deep and real.
You may enjoy “Girl of the Limberlost” by Gene Stratton-Porter. It’s a tale of real and not Hallmark-ish love.~Kate(Ewing Sharp is my dad.)
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Agreed!
Arwen's story highlights the difference in love for men and elves. Men love knowing that isn't forever, elves expect a loved one to be with them to the end of days. She paid a high price for those years of joy, and Elrond as much to give them to her.
I think that giving up her elven imortality she reached much more.
1. Real love is sacrificial
2. Life is not eternal to live it meaningless and without goal
3. Becoming mortal like men she would enter into much higher glory of Iluvatar. Elves imortality was connected with Arda. Mens immortality was purely with Iluvatar.
Men were short lived strangers to Arda. Their real home was Kingdom of Iluvatar.
I agree that Arwen, like her great-grandmother, should have been much more fleshed-out in terms of her personality: we needed to learn more of her motivations, her desires, and just why she was able to love Aragorn, to say nothing of her taking a more active role in the story.
The most I can attribute to her, reflecting on this episode, is that she was a dutiful creature doing what she felt was necessary for the greater good, and that she became Aragorn's love because it was what the world needed her to be, over and above what she might take for herself. She loved Aragorn because she loved what he stood for, and what he was meant to achieve, and felt it was a dream more worthy of her life than an eternity of ease in Eldamar.
Is that not a truly righteous love?
@@epwlod777 My entire point is that it is. The problem is that the book did not come out and SAY so, preferring instead to simply dwell on her beauty.
@@TheSaneHatter I feel her beauty is a important factor as she could have had anyone yet she chose the path she did.
Selflessly and righteously.
I mean luthien was pretty fleshed out. Pretty big badass
Um, she actually fell in love with him when she saw him dressed like a prince (arranged by her canny grandmother, who was obviously promoting the match) and looking handsome and heroic. Arwen may have been a royal Elf Maiden, but she doesn't seem to have been cold-blooded! She wasn't wearing her heart on her sleeve, to use an old cliche, but she was capable of deep passion and a true, steadfast love.
Interesting ... you stated that her end was tragic, but I would argue otherwise. When I first read the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen in the appendices, I was really moved by Arwen's ending and used to feel it was beyond tragic. But after several readings, and a few decades to consider it, I don't feel that it is a tragic ending for her. Because of her choice, her fëa will live forever in the Timeless Halls with Eru, her husband, and her children. Yes, she will be forever sundered from her mother and father and I assume her brothers, too. It is without doubt a tragic loss for the Firstborn (and for Arda, in general). But for Arwen, who lived as she chose, loved as she chose, and died as she chose, I no longer see it that way. Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it!
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. especially among the younger girls. They have no idea what loving a man means. They think it's slavery.... When in fact it could be nothing further from that. So, they try and be masculine and do all things men typically do. Only to end up lonely old cat ladies, drinking boxed wine, wondering where all the good men are....
Sad....
Another wonderful video Yoystan, I appreciate how well you explain the beginnings of Arwen and Aragorn's story arc, as well as your messages on sacrificing for love, and her going through the grief of his loss to be able to leave Arda with him. You remind me of a line early on as the Fellowship prepares to leave Rivendell, and Tolkien wrote something to the tune of "Aragorn's sat prayerfully, his head was bowed, and nobody in the party knew the magnitude of what that departure meant but he."
And I thought that was beautiful, for how he meditated and steeled himself to journey from his loved one and new fiancée to risk his life for the good of Middle Earth.
TBH I'd do it too, in a heartbeat. Liv Tyler's Arwen was definitely my biggest childhood crush. The hand of maiden Arwen would send me into the wild lands of the north without a second thought KEKW.
The tale about Aragorn and Arwen = the most beautiful and inspired story of JRR Tolkin world for sure 💫💍
Thank you 🌟
the evenstar gave hope to lineage of the dunedain
It took me years to finally figure out why Arwen died. Granted, I wasn't the student of Tolkien that I am now, but it just didn't make sense to me. Why would an elf lose her immortality simply because she chose to love a mortal man? Why would she not just go on being an elf after he died? It just wouldn't click into place why that had to be so until just a few weeks ago. Arwen didn't lose her immortality because she loved Aragorn. She became mortal because she was a half-elf and when it finally came time to choose at last, when Elrond left Middle Earth and the decision could be put off no longer, she chose to be a mortal woman. Obviously, she made that choice because of her love for Aragorn, but it was her choice. She could have also chosen to remain an elf and traveled to Valinor after Aragorn died had she wanted to, but she chose to accept the Gift/Doom of Men and die as a mortal woman in the hope of being reunited with Aragorn after death. After all the time I've spent trying to figure out why she became mortal it was her being a half-elf with the right to choose between being an elf or being a mortal woman that was the missing key. She wasn't doomed to die because she gave her love to a mortal man. It wasn't a punishment as it always seemed to me. It was her choice. She could have just as easily chosen to remain an elf and traveled to Aman, but she chose a mortal death. It finally clicked!
Also, whenever I picture the scene when Elrond tells Aragorn that he could only marry Arwen if he became the High King of both Arnor and Gondor I picture Aragorn being like, "Well, it's not stealing a Silimarril from Morgoth's crown. So that's something I guess."
There is a lot we don't know about Arwen, but there are some tales best left untold.
Props to you for this one bud. By far your best character history/profile yet 😎👌
Amazing video @Menofthewest. I’ve always loved Arwen and I feel like her becoming mortal was both an act of true love, and a parallel to the choice her uncle, and grandparents made!
Souch a graceful character 👌
You have chosen the Evening, and cannot say you are wrong. But I have chosen the Morning, and I regret only that it will soon pass from Middle Earth forever.
One of my favorite lines from the book, although I never memorized it ( ob-vious-ly).
charltonteaching blog spot "Arwen". "Arwen’s fate is tragic, because she is one of the ‘half-elven’ who may choose whether to become Man or Elf; she chooses to become mortal in order to marry Aragorn and share his fate. However, her resolve to accept mortality at the proper time is undermined by her ‘lack of faith’ in Man’s destiny of life after death. In the appendix, she is portrayed as regretting becoming a mortal instead of an Elf; and as having succumbed to the sin of clinging to mortal life rather than accepting mortality and trusting that there is life after death.
"…and the light of her eyes was quenched, and it seemed to her people that she had become cold and grey as nightfall in winter than comes without a star.""
The way your storytelling went from factual, historical, emotional, and then deep...then snap back to reality. Well done sir!
❤️
The tale of Aragorn and Arwen = the most beautiful and inspired story of JRR Tolkin world for sure 💫💍💔
Thank you 🌟
You are the best out there in explaining the lore! I tried watching all but the way you tell it is different
Great video mate. As always, your quality is unparralled.
To be honest, I always find her to be rather passive. Luthien ran away from home and was a good enough fighter (at least with Song) to defeat Sauron and even hold off Morgoth. Arwen is descended from some of the strongest elleths in the Legendarium but her passivity reduces her to just being Aragorn's wife instead of a power in her own right as is the case with her grandmother Galadriel.
When I was a lad growing up in the lonely ways that was relieved only through books, I opened my heart to two balinese kittens, siblings, who I named Arwen and Frodo. They were my passport to surviving my teen years. It was long enough ago that no photos remain now. Neither electronic, nor conventional. Only imperfect memory. I have always wondered as to what could havebeen different had Boromir thes trength and will to resist the ring's evil even to the same extent as his brotber let alone Aragorn.
Excellent! Looked forward to this video.
This is à true example of à fair lady. Pure of heart and soul
I adore Arwen and I think she is a hugely looked over character. I agree, I with that we got more of her in the texts and the films- she truly loves Aragorn, but it seems like their relationship is very spur of the moment in the films, rather than what Tolkien writes about in the appendices.
First Melian and Thingol, then Luthien and Beren, then Arwen and Aragorn...If I were one of Arwen's daughters, I'd think twice before I went dancing in the woods.
Edith Bratt went dancing in the woods.
@@tominiowa2513 It really is a lovely motif
Well, they all met their soulmates by doing just that so ...
Once: "I want to go dancing in the woods!"
Twice: "Am I ready to meet my soulmate?"
I love this channel your voice is soothing and you tell tease tales of lore with grace
Wonderfully done as always friend
The end of this video is very touching. Great inspiration
Amazing video, and art work, well done.
Great video!!!
excellent take on an very mysterious character!
Ar pharazon be like how in the world do you WANT to die Arwen??
Sundaynight delight 😁👍
I do not find her death tragic in the least. She got everything she wanted, received the gift of men willingly, found love, which I believe, she did not have in nearly 28 centuries, and had well over a century with that love. Tragic? Nawww.
She died *one year after Aragorn's death* and reunited with him in the "afterlife," since elves a men don't go to the same place after they died but she died as a mortal "human"... This was important for her because she wanted to reunite with him again, and when Aragorn and Arwen's childrens died they went to the same place Aragorn went, because they didn't borned half-elf, they were counted as mortals, humans: and since Arwen went there too, they reunited with their daughters and son. She died *one year after Aragorn's death* and reunited with him in the "afterlife," since elves a men don't go to the same place after they died, since Arwen died as a mortal "human" they (their kids) reunited with their mother (Arwen) and father (Aragorn ).. They are together..
"Arwen followed Aragorn beyond the circles of this world, and was not restrained to Arda away from him" and the kids she had with him (when their time to died eventually would come to them)
She really is a fascinating character, this video was great
As a woman who left her own culture (the Catholic church) and family (Italian) to marry a man I loved more than life, I understand her. She made her choice and lived it. I tried to explain my decision to my mother, especially, but it was impossible for her to understand. It was the first time in my life I asserted myself as an adult. She wanted me to remain a catholic and marry a fellow Italian. Love calls us to do deeply difficult things. It is stronger than any other force on earth. My husband is gone now, and, I am a widow.
I do not regret my decision. I had a wonderful life for decades.
Awesome another epic character history awesome work Yoystan
I always liked that character. Excellent video.
Arwen is trully interesting character, and one of the characters wich changes in the movies really did well! What I really love about her and Galadriel as well, is that they are decribed pretty but also gentel and something beyond this world lets say!
Yoystan another great video, your videos never gets old!
The story of Arwen and Aragorn always struck me as so poignantly beautiful and tragic. It would seem to me that selfless love would be the only thing which could overcome an Elf's love for their life in Arda. The Gift of Man would indeed seem a strange and bitter cup for an Elf to take up, yet through that love, which transcended kin and race, she and Aragorn passed beyond death to live on in bliss beyond the circles of the world.
Another great video
Who wouldn't fight for arwen..
One thing I had a dislike in the film, yes Elrond had conditions for aragorn to be able to marry arwen but the way he said it.
I mean he effectively raised aragorn as a son like his forebears...
Movie Elrond as a whole seems much more arrogant and contentious at times.
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Exactly. Almost no appearance of love
@@cm275 Two of my (few) gripes with the movies was the changes in the characters of Elrond and Faramir. Elrond was the wisest of the High Elves remaining in Middle-earth (well, maybe Cirdan was as wise,, but we don't get to know him in LOTR), and in putting conditions on Aragorn to court Arwen he was looking out for the welfare of his only daughter--and possibly giving the young would-be king an incentive! And Faramir was turned from a wise and noble and brave young man into a rather wimpy one with so much psychological turmoil it's hard to see how he could function as one of the chief commanders of Gondor!
Thank you for this beautiful video and you made a good point that the Elven blood lives on to inspire us to care for the land so it does not become a Wasteland
The best Queen in middle earth!
While the Nazgul chase of Frodo on the way to Rivendell was changed significantly in the Fellowship of the Ring movie, one part is just epic. The part is where the Nazgul are on one side of the river, and tell Arwen to give up Frodo. So what does Arwen do? She draws her sword and says, "If you want him, come and claim him!" That is just epic.
My interpretation of "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" places Aragorn's errantries in Rohan and Gondor before he and Arwen pledge their troth in Lorien, and his great journeys in the East and South after that. Is that how you see it? In the context of the Peter Jackson films, I could see re-ordering these events, but his interpretation of Aragorn complicates things a bit.
I like to think that they were reincarnations of Beren and Lúthien. And it Tolkiens way of letting readers know there are no endings
Thank you for this. The women of LOTR have always been of great interest to me.
Great job! I think it'd be a good idea to put the sound of your videos on a podcast.
I can't watch the videos all the time , but I'd love to listen to them while commuting.
Give it some thought, please.
"If you want him, come and claim him."
One of the strongest women in all of middle earth.
I wish she had her own adventures in the north during the wars, I feel like she would b a strong presence and would make an impact against Saurons forces just like Luthian. But next to every strong man is an equally strong she-elf 💕
She only said that in the movies.
@@SvenTviking duh🤪
Her strength is great enough, it does not require dressing her in armor.
The “If you want him come and claim him” scene is a Jackson movie invention. Presumably done to give the actress more screen time.
@@Darkstar-se6wc I’m surprised people still think this isn’t common knowledge at this point 😂
I also love how you basically said that arwen said/felt “come back when you’re older then we’ll talk. Lmfaoooo
Nice!
There is a game called kings bounty the legend and you have to pick a logo and there is a tree like the men of the west i always used,those who played that game now what i mean.
What a good story they both live together in the timeless halls of erû illuvitar if that is what happen to men after they die keep up the great work and content friend
I like the art in the videos.
Arwen is indeed an amazing character and one of my favourites, weirdly I hate what Jackson did to her, and am of a mind that the movies were as a slur against her. That said, I love that Appendix tale. As to your idea of how to bring her along, I agree wholeheartedly with it.
Tbh, Arwen has influenced the writing of two Elf-maids in my own novel.
You truly did justice to her character my friend, Arwen I will admit is up there in my top 10 favourite female characters in all of fantasy/mythological literature so I do mean this when I say truly, thank you for this video Yoystan!
Jackson big mistake was how he portrayed Arwen. Liv was a huge mistake.
There were plenty of scenes for Arwen, instead Jackson made up scenes(for liv),that were originally others.
Normally I'd make a joke comment on here but not this time. Arwen is a beautifully written character that encapsulates what it's like to be true to yourself, no matter what. She gave up immortality for love, destined to never see her birth family ever again. Respect
I would of liked to see her berried at Rivendell as I could see this along with all of Earegion eventually being claimed by the reunited kingdom as the high king would have a genuin claim over the land and would most likely not want to see its beauty crumble away or even worse be desicrated by those who might go there.
I could see one of her daughters marrying the son of a Dunedin lord and them being made prince of Earegion but with the high king putting in certain rules around the protection of the elven history in the land. I think it would be fitting that Arwen be layed to rest there near the halls of her father where her daughters and son could keep the land and her final place a splender
Great video. One thing I dont quite understand... you said Arwen gave up her spot in the West so Frodo could go... so does that mean other Elves gave up their spots so Bilbo, Samwise, and Gimli could go?
Arwen and Aragorn’s story only works if you’re willing to accept that despite living for millennia, Arwen had lived a life so sheltered and uneventful that a man with only a few decades of life experience was able to offer her something of interest. It might be much the same as an elderly woman who’d lived her life in a monastery falling for a precocious teenage boy. In a reality closer to our own, Elves would find men impossibly dull and with very little meaningful to offer.
Interesting take. I think Elrond and presumably the Elves at Rivendell recognized the worth of the Numenoreans, who were, after all, their distant relatives. And Galadriel apparently promoted Aragorn's cause (she gave him princely clothing and made sure he would look as appealing as possible to her granddaughter!), which shows the value she placed on him.
Elves apparently lived very interior lives compared to those of Men, and I'm not sure their lives could be categorized as uneventful if all that was occurring in their minds, hearts, and souls could be known to us.
Arwen bore two children to Aragorn, who were William and Catherine. They were age 10 and age 8 when she died. LOTR: The Return of the King makes mention of her son. They were age 4 and 5 when Aragorn passed away. The boy was the elder child.
While writing the drafts of The Lord of the Rings the character was named Finduilas; only during the final proofreading in 1949 Tolkien changed the name to Arwen.
Tolkien considered to postpone the birth of Arwen from T.A. 241 to T.A. 341, or even in T.A. 421, to increase the interval between the birth of the twins and the birth of Arwen where the parents were at rest, and he assigned the error in dates to a "probable scribal origin" (with the inversion of numbers 241/421).
"I am the daughter of Elrond. I shall not go with him when he departs to the Havens: for mine is the choice of Lúthien, and as she so have I chosen, both the sweet and the bitter."
When I have a daughter, I'll name her Arewn... such a beautiful name
I agree 💯!❤️
@@mirandafuller9736 In Sindarin it means "Noble Maiden"
Thanks for including her age. I was wondering how old she was both at the time of the Lord of the rings for your death. It helps to know her age when she died what a life she lead. :-) I two in one sense wish you had played more of a role in the Lord of the rings but better than nothing. :-)
I would humbly disagree with you that Arwen’s death was “tragic “. Certainly it was extremely sad and a bright light was lost, but not tragic. She choose to cleave to a mortal man and thus share his ultimate fate. I would have wished that she passed with family around her as many mortal women do. Her choice to go “back home “ added to the sadness of her passing but we can hope that her spirit would again be with her love as many mortal faiths believe. Blessed be.
also unrelated: your thoughts on the Rings of Power photos from Empire magazine? Or would it be a bit too controversial for you to talk about it?
I can leave a bit of my thoughts here! I'm waiting for another trailer before I make another video on it though. I think the pictures looked interesting, the costumes and sets look pretty good and well-detailed! I am just wondering what the focus of the show will be at this point!
Arwen is the memory of Luthien and her memory of Luthien and of the power of the Elves in the age of Men
This might be a silly question but i been trying to find it around for a while and can't seem to find it. If Arwen is immortal how did she die as a mortal ? was her immortality bound to her going to valinor? I mean she was given the choise to be mortal or immortal at a young age and she chose immortal like her father and brothers, or she would not have live 2800 years to meet Aragon. Like Elros who chose to be mortal died after 500 years while his brother Elrond chose immortality, if he would have staying in middle earth would he also have died ?
Elves are bound to middle earth as beasts are, her choosing the gift of Iluvatar freed her to receive this gift and be reunited with her loves one where there is more than memory
No, elves are bound to Arda, not middle earth. Why else would they feel the call to flee middle earth for the undying lands of the west, which are still Arda?
Have you done a video on the Elessar? I think you have, but I'm not sure.
Yes sir!
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Unrelated to this video: How are you feeling this week compared to last week?
Hey Stefan, thanks for asking! I feel tons better, I got through it in about a week!
Thanks. I love the playful argument between eomir and gimmli as to who is more beautiful. ( arwen or galadriel) ( her grandmother)
Wait is this real !? They really had an argumenT ? 😂
@@marammiram8849 yes , after the wedding . Gimli said to eomir they need to settle the Matter of galadriel being a witch . ( two towers) and is she not the fiarest woman in the world . And eomir say indeed she is beautiful but i would say the new queen is the greeter beauty. Gimli jokes about sending for his axe , eomir his sword , then they laugh and agreed to call it a draw and drink to their health and beauty and happy marriage. ( return of the king )
Fekkin' diabolical.
I believe it was GirlNextGondor who humorously referred to it as the pair defending the honor of other men's wives. It's a delightful book scene.
@@istari0 love lexi . Her writing is always wonderful. Istari .
My favorite part of your opening is, “ wherever you are in Middle Earth!” What made you think of this?❤️ You should have more subscribers!
I think that Arwen’s story is, to me, one of the saddest. This is probably unfair to say as many had suffered more and never experienced the joy she did. But it is the width of her emotional tapestry that makes her death, without her love at her side, so sad.
But with the hope of meeting him again, beyond the confines of Arda.
Wait, if she lived all of her life as an Elf, she'd go the the Halls of Mandos after she died, isn't it? Not to the place where only Men go and only Ilúvatar knows, right?
Love is the greatest thing that Free People do.
Music is a close second.
Please make a video about evil dwarves
Praised be Eru-Ilúvatar.
Arwen is one of the great triumphs of the Peter Jackson trilogy. Her story is fleshed out while staying true to the character that Tolkein wrote. And Liv Tyler’s portrayal of her was on point.
🔥👁🔥🖤 SAURON: Arwen
I have a question regarding half-elves. We know that Elves and Men are different in spirit. Elven spirit is content within the circles of the world while Men don't find rest within but are always seeking outside. I wonder if they've already made their choice, do their spirits also change? And when they were born half-elves, are their spirits more Elven than Men?
Fated choice?
I only hope Amazon doesn't defile these characters more than they already have.
Man, hear is another ECH on a character I named my Chickens after (I had 4 named after) ...But, she wasn't Book!Arwen...
Arwen must have got told how a lot about how she looks like, Great Great, Grandmother Luthien: who kicked 2 Dark Lord's Butt with a (The Good Boy of Valinor TM) Good Boy and her Lover!!!
Thanks for Arwen's ECH, I going to try to get better, Until the History of the One Ring...Marion Baggins Out!!!
Did Arwen and Aragon souls end up together in the afterlife after their passing? Did Luthien and Beren souls also end up together in the afterlife?
Elrond/Red Skull
Thranduil/Ronan the Accuser
Galadriel/Hela
Which could all mean that Arwen/Betty Ross will be “taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated, a terrible, ruined form of life”, and become a Supervillain with the alias “Red She-Hulk”.
I still don’t understand. Is Arwen going to live after all the men have died, like Elrond said in the movie. Or was he just trying to scare her?
Finally some wholesome kind of good click bait
She's cool, I can only imagine how the character would be shown to the public these days.
Such an adorable character Tolkien has created, a she-elf heroine. Liv Tyler impersonated her perfectly!
Liv was terrible just like all of her rolls. Jackson had to slow her down and always have an auto tune on her voice. She can not act.
I have never understood why she was considered half-elven. The Valar allowed Earendil, Elwing and their sons specifically the power to choose whether they were Men or Elves. Elrond chose to be an elf, so he would have been a full elf. Her mother had not a hint of mortality in her bloodlines. If she was a half-elf because her father was, than Elros’ children should also have had the option to become elves, but we never heard anything about that. It feels like the author forcing the story instead of following his own lore. Don’t get me wrong, I love LoTR and the legendarium, this is just a point that has always irked me