Now this is a realistic and viable alternative. Daytona is too awkward, Gainesville burns too many bridges to other universities and staying in Jacksonville will put folks at risk of injury or worse. Just move to Orlando for a couple years, sow the seeds for maybe an NFL expansion team, bite the bullet and come back to something glorious in Jacksonville in 2027.
there will never be an expansion team in orlando, the market for orlando isnt independent like many think, its a tampa-orlando market, wherever there isnt a tampa team there is and orlando team.
Tell it to the Bucs. The location of a new franchise needs to be voted in by all NFL owners. Do you really think the Bucs are going to allow Orlando to take away their fan base? Never going to happen. Never!
*They’ve already collected taxes from the Orange County (FL) Tourist Destination Tax that has that money they’re sitting on, which is being debated on how it’s gonna be spent (Orlando Dreamers are another group) * Daytona is night and day of a drive from jax, just straight down I-95 much better and goes fast while other options are awful drives *In those TDT task force meetings Florida Citrus Sports (Camping World Stadium) showed those renders to redo the upper deck and add a roof and continue the renovation * Hard Rock Rennovation was 3 years with the dolphins, Orlando has no tenets so it should be much faster *Jacksonville offered 2 year vs 4 year plan at the start
There is ZERO chance the Orange County Commissioners grant Florida Citrus Sports another $800 million to add a roof to the Citrus Bowl. They would all be voted out in an instant, the stadium has no tenant and its not worth $800 million to have 12 games that span over two years (assuming they still play two each year in London). I do think its likely that the Jags make the CItrus Bowl home for two years, but it doesn't need to spend $800 million adding a roof to make it happen like the clickbait title of this video implies.
Good thing the TDT controls the money to be spent. It's the TDT, which is sitting on $3.65 billion in money, that can only be spent on projects that improve tourism. None of the money can be spent for civil projects. It's not central Florida taxpayer money. It's the 6% you pay when you rent a car, stay in a hotel. Tourists are paying this $$.
I would much rather spend money on Camping World than another uneeded expansion of the convention center or worse tax money going to slime like the DeVos family for a renovation on a building that isn't even 15 years old like the Amway Center.
I live in Orlando and I hope this doesn't happen. The city spent millions to renovate the stadium in time for Orlando City to join MLS and then built a smaller soccer-specific out of Aluminum. Now they want to spend enough to build a whole new stadium to renovate to host an NFL team for a few years? And they want taxes to pay for it? Hell no!!
I would be for spending 800 million on a baseball stadium if the Rays move to Orlando from St. Pete. I always wondered why they did not update the upper deck when they did the original renovations to CWS.
Yeah I don’t wanna move at all as a big jags fan i will rather play in Jacksonville and take longer and cost more because it will be cool the fans will be able to see the progress of the stadium stay in JACKSONVILLE PLEASE
most likely scenario in my opinion is that CWS gets suite/concession/comfort enhancements and gets fixed seating in the upper deck. capacity remains at 61k, and Reno cost, I think, will remain under 150m. truth is, Benn hill griffin and doak Campbell are nowhere near nfl standards considering they're completely bleacher seat stadiums, outside of club areas. sure, cws isn't up to nfl standards, but does it really matter? I don't think so. CWS is the best option they have. I can't see the 800m renovation happening until the jags go back to Jax.
Would be interesting to see if Jacksonville would explore playing in Europe for 2 years possibly? Test the waters to see if it’s even possible or logical to sustain a team in say London for more than just a game or two a year.
I don't think they need the expensive pricetag for the renovations at all just to play 2 seasons there as that is just a waste of money for a team that won't be there long. The stadium is fine the way it is as they're only playing there for 2 years. Somebody mentioned London and that would've been interesting to test that market for 2 seasons especially if it's the league's ultimate goal to get an expansion team out there in the 2030s.
If they're going to temporarily move out anyways, i dont see why they would renovate rather than build a new stadium entirely. TIAA bank is not historical, and is pretty sucky. Is it really that cost effective to reuse most of it?
If the Jags vacate Jax for two seasons for construction you can bet that several home games in those two seasons will be played in London. Orlando will get no more than 4 or 5 Jags home games per season.
No only one they only play one every year just this year there’s two cuz the bills London game counts as the bills home game so yeah only one a year for the jags
How about having the jackson ville jaguars playing on san diego, Oakland, and/or st louis for a couple of years. Those cities would not mind having an nfl team even if it's temporarily and if the fans in jackson ville have to fly to those cities to watch a game.
Why is there all these teams having issues getting new stadiums/renovations when, the Titans came out of nowhere and announced, founded, and started to build a stadium so easily?
Idk why Camping World needs such a massive renovation without a permanent tenant. What a huge waste of taxpayer funds. All they really need to get Jacksonville for 2 years would be a smaller (maybe closer to 200 mil?) renovation to the upper deck seating, jumbotrons, and MAYBE updated concorse offerings?
Camping World Stadium struggles because the Buccaneers won't allow the NFL to put a new franchise in Orlando out of fear that it would take away from their fan base and UCF does not need a stadium.
You may want to get you a local source. Camping World would be the last resort; Orlando is not far (2.5 hr drive), but it is the farthest and the traffic in Orlando is not favorable. UF Stadium would be ideal, but getting to Gainesville is a that exciting either. Daytona is three counties down and 1 hour away from Jacksonville straight down I-95.
Taxpayers need to revolt against using taxpayer money for stadiums. Was good that Miami resisted paying for Hard Rock stadium after Miami got screwed by the Marlins stadium.
is camping world is going to go under a 800million dollar renovation just for the jaguars, what stopping the jags from just permanently moving to Orlando?
The Buccaneers is what’s stopping the Jags from moving to Orlando. It just doesn’t make sense to have 2 NFL teams in central Florida. The Dolphins represents South Florida and the Jaguars represents North Florida/The Panhandle. What makes sense for Orlando is bidding for that MLB team and either renovate CWS or build a new baseball park for the Rays.
It’s just the stadium extorting the taxpayers for more money. The stadium is more than fine for a temporary site of 2 seasons of NFL football. I’m sure the pitch is that the Jags won’t come unless we do this.
Miami played in Hard Rock stadium when they were renovating the stadium for 2 years, I don't see why Jacksonville can't do the same? I understand the stadium is more elaborate than Hard Rock is, but, why go to a different stadium which is also looking to be renovated, at the same time. I think it's a ploy, to get either a new stadium which will be paid for by taxpayers, or they are looking to relocate to a new city. If that's the case, why don't they move to London full time? They play there every year, what's a few more games? It sucks for the fans in Jacksonville, but, at the end of the day, money talks and owners will go wherever money can be made. This is probably Khan's way of being able to circumvent the rules of relocating his team.
That's a smart Idea, However I don't think they wanna stay that long away from a fanbase that's usually rank dead last in attendance .... Why aren't they relocating ?
I like the Idea. If the NFL is so hellbent on putting a team in London, having the Jags (or maybe even the Browns as they might be homeless for a couple seasons as well) play a season or two over there to test London as a full time market.
There is a difference in travel time. Daytona is straight down 95 easy pezy, to get to Orlando you have to go down 95 then take the highway from hell I-4 so big freaking difference 45 minutes up too 2 hours difference depending on traffic. Give me Daytona or Gainsville. Orlando is a no go.
The idea of a city spending $800 million of PUBLIC money to host the Jags for 12-16 games is insanity. Single-sport stadiums are pretty unanimously a waste of taxpayer dollars. Camping World and The Swamp are totally fine for temporary homes as is. We need to be content with the stadiums we already have instead of encouraging this madness. Besides, the move will be a good opportunity for Jacksonville to earn fans in North and Central Florida.
Thats just stupid he wants the jags in Orlando from downtown jax to camping world is 2 hr 10 min to 2 hr 50 min 141 miles. Daytona speedway from jax is around 1 hr 23 min and 90 miles and is better a straight shot from 95 to it. Also camping would take longer to construct from materials getting to places and workers
This is really going to hurt Disney World hard if this goes through. Disney keeps up charging for everything this may make people rethink going there. (Probably not you never know)
Just a total waste of money..Camping World is in an awful area of Orlando. It is too far from Jacksonville for a temp stadium. I would be shocked If your scenario came to be.
Now this is a realistic and viable alternative. Daytona is too awkward, Gainesville burns too many bridges to other universities and staying in Jacksonville will put folks at risk of injury or worse. Just move to Orlando for a couple years, sow the seeds for maybe an NFL expansion team, bite the bullet and come back to something glorious in Jacksonville in 2027.
Super Bowl ready for sure
there will never be an expansion team in orlando, the market for orlando isnt independent like many think, its a tampa-orlando market, wherever there isnt a tampa team there is and orlando team.
There’s about zero chance Orlando or any other city in Florida would get an expansion team, 3 teams is more than enough
@@MaximusGamingagreed
Orlando deserves their own NFL team!!!!!
Tell it to the Bucs. The location of a new franchise needs to be voted in by all NFL owners. Do you really think the Bucs are going to allow Orlando to take away their fan base? Never going to happen. Never!
*They’ve already collected taxes from the Orange County (FL) Tourist Destination Tax that has that money they’re sitting on, which is being debated on how it’s gonna be spent (Orlando Dreamers are another group)
* Daytona is night and day of a drive from jax, just straight down I-95 much better and goes fast while other options are awful drives
*In those TDT task force meetings Florida Citrus Sports (Camping World Stadium) showed those renders to redo the upper deck and add a roof and continue the renovation
* Hard Rock Rennovation was 3 years with the dolphins, Orlando has no tenets so it should be much faster
*Jacksonville offered 2 year vs 4 year plan at the start
Bro, this dude doesn't fact check anything. Thanks for doing more research than the content creator.
All the teams who got new stadiums in the 90s/early 2000s are trying to either renovate or get a new stadium.
Stadiums aren't exactly designed to work for 60 years.
@@jibbjabb43 you would expect to get more than 25 years out of them tho too
Orlando has billions of Tourists Tax dollars to spend on stadiums. It’s basically Vegas for kids and families.
There is ZERO chance the Orange County Commissioners grant Florida Citrus Sports another $800 million to add a roof to the Citrus Bowl. They would all be voted out in an instant, the stadium has no tenant and its not worth $800 million to have 12 games that span over two years (assuming they still play two each year in London).
I do think its likely that the Jags make the CItrus Bowl home for two years, but it doesn't need to spend $800 million adding a roof to make it happen like the clickbait title of this video implies.
Good thing the TDT controls the money to be spent. It's the TDT, which is sitting on $3.65 billion in money, that can only be spent on projects that improve tourism. None of the money can be spent for civil projects. It's not central Florida taxpayer money. It's the 6% you pay when you rent a car, stay in a hotel. Tourists are paying this $$.
I would much rather spend money on Camping World than another uneeded expansion of the convention center or worse tax money going to slime like the DeVos family for a renovation on a building that isn't even 15 years old like the Amway Center.
I live in Orlando and I hope this doesn't happen. The city spent millions to renovate the stadium in time for Orlando City to join MLS and then built a smaller soccer-specific out of Aluminum. Now they want to spend enough to build a whole new stadium to renovate to host an NFL team for a few years? And they want taxes to pay for it? Hell no!!
I would be for spending 800 million on a baseball stadium if the Rays move to Orlando from St. Pete. I always wondered why they did not update the upper deck when they did the original renovations to CWS.
Yeah I don’t wanna move at all as a big jags fan i will rather play in Jacksonville and take longer and cost more because it will be cool the fans will be able to see the progress of the stadium stay in JACKSONVILLE PLEASE
most likely scenario in my opinion is that CWS gets suite/concession/comfort enhancements and gets fixed seating in the upper deck. capacity remains at 61k, and Reno cost, I think, will remain under 150m. truth is, Benn hill griffin and doak Campbell are nowhere near nfl standards considering they're completely bleacher seat stadiums, outside of club areas. sure, cws isn't up to nfl standards, but does it really matter? I don't think so. CWS is the best option they have. I can't see the 800m renovation happening until the jags go back to Jax.
Not sure why Met Life stadium did not do a canopy of some sort when it was built. This idea of the Jags play in Orlando for two seasons.
I've been saying this makes more sense for weeks now...renovated or not.
Jagwires
Jags should go on tour and play at all those venues
Would be interesting to see if Jacksonville would explore playing in Europe for 2 years possibly? Test the waters to see if it’s even possible or logical to sustain a team in say London for more than just a game or two a year.
I think playing 2 games a year in London instead of 1 is more realistic. Abandoning their fans entirely for a couple years is a non starter
$800 million? Jags might as well permanently move to Orlando if the city is spending that much
Jags stadium renovation almost cost double
4 YEARS , .... 4 YEARS ?
COME ON PEOPLE !
4 YEARS ?
JUST DRIVE TO GAINSVILLE OR DAYTONA .
LETS GET THIS STADIUM DONE IN 2 !
I don't think they need the expensive pricetag for the renovations at all just to play 2 seasons there as that is just a waste of money for a team that won't be there long. The stadium is fine the way it is as they're only playing there for 2 years. Somebody mentioned London and that would've been interesting to test that market for 2 seasons especially if it's the league's ultimate goal to get an expansion team out there in the 2030s.
If they're going to temporarily move out anyways, i dont see why they would renovate rather than build a new stadium entirely. TIAA bank is not historical, and is pretty sucky. Is it really that cost effective to reuse most of it?
Well damn how they going to host the Jags in 2024-2025 when they got to do upgrades on fheir stadium
Right now when I’m commenting this camping world got the upgrade, but without the canopy
Daytona is much more convenient than Orlando. Do not wanna have to drive on I-4 and deal with Orlando traffic
If the Jags vacate Jax for two seasons for construction you can bet that several home games in those two seasons will be played in London. Orlando will get no more than 4 or 5 Jags home games per season.
No only one they only play one every year just this year there’s two cuz the bills London game counts as the bills home game so yeah only one a year for the jags
That’s not even close to be true but ok
How about having the jackson ville jaguars playing on san diego, Oakland, and/or st louis for a couple of years. Those cities would not mind having an nfl team even if it's temporarily and if the fans in jackson ville have to fly to those cities to watch a game.
Why is there all these teams having issues getting new stadiums/renovations when, the Titans came out of nowhere and announced, founded, and started to build a stadium so easily?
Nashville always gets whatever, and whenever it wants in the state of TN.
Idk why Camping World needs such a massive renovation without a permanent tenant. What a huge waste of taxpayer funds. All they really need to get Jacksonville for 2 years would be a smaller (maybe closer to 200 mil?) renovation to the upper deck seating, jumbotrons, and MAYBE updated concorse offerings?
Camping World Stadium struggles because the Buccaneers won't allow the NFL to put a new franchise in Orlando out of fear that it would take away from their fan base and UCF does not need a stadium.
Something came out about cleveland the mayor doesn't want to use tax payer money for the stadium
I thought that the Jaguars would play all of their home games in London lol
More seats aren't the answer, adding roof is a great idea though
You may want to get you a local source. Camping World would be the last resort; Orlando is not far (2.5 hr drive), but it is the farthest and the traffic in Orlando is not favorable. UF Stadium would be ideal, but getting to Gainesville is a that exciting either. Daytona is three counties down and 1 hour away from Jacksonville straight down I-95.
Camping World is a negotiating tactic, I bet.
Taxpayers need to revolt against using taxpayer money for stadiums. Was good that Miami resisted paying for Hard Rock stadium after Miami got screwed by the Marlins stadium.
is camping world is going to go under a 800million dollar renovation just for the jaguars, what stopping the jags from just permanently moving to Orlando?
The Buccaneers is what’s stopping the Jags from moving to Orlando. It just doesn’t make sense to have 2 NFL teams in central Florida. The Dolphins represents South Florida and the Jaguars represents North Florida/The Panhandle. What makes sense for Orlando is bidding for that MLB team and either renovate CWS or build a new baseball park for the Rays.
Let’s go to Daytona Jags!!!
That design looks like Hard Rock stadium looks like
It’s just the stadium extorting the taxpayers for more money. The stadium is more than fine for a temporary site of 2 seasons of NFL football. I’m sure the pitch is that the Jags won’t come unless we do this.
The NFL will never allow a team in Orlando while the Bucks are in Tampa Bay it's too close. Owners won't do that to each other.
Miami played in Hard Rock stadium when they were renovating the stadium for 2 years, I don't see why Jacksonville can't do the same? I understand the stadium is more elaborate than Hard Rock is, but, why go to a different stadium which is also looking to be renovated, at the same time. I think it's a ploy, to get either a new stadium which will be paid for by taxpayers, or they are looking to relocate to a new city. If that's the case, why don't they move to London full time? They play there every year, what's a few more games? It sucks for the fans in Jacksonville, but, at the end of the day, money talks and owners will go wherever money can be made. This is probably Khan's way of being able to circumvent the rules of relocating his team.
What if they play in London for two years
That'd be an interesting way to test that market for a future London team.
That's a smart Idea, However I don't think they wanna stay that long away from a fanbase that's usually rank dead last in attendance .... Why aren't they relocating ?
I like the Idea. If the NFL is so hellbent on putting a team in London, having the Jags (or maybe even the Browns as they might be homeless for a couple seasons as well) play a season or two over there to test London as a full time market.
Play in Gainesville.
Jacksonville is Orlando’s metro area
Not even close
Uhhhh no. Pretty sure Tampa is closer than Jacksonville is
@@stlcameron22 Jacksonville is north from Orlando
What map are you looking at?
Why not use another florida nfl teams stadium for a year or 2 like giants n jets do
The swamp More logic
Ben Hill GRIFFIN*
There is a difference in travel time. Daytona is straight down 95 easy pezy, to get to Orlando you have to go down 95 then take the highway from hell I-4 so big freaking difference 45 minutes up too 2 hours difference depending on traffic. Give me Daytona or Gainsville. Orlando is a no go.
It’s the citrus bowl it can’t be a playoff game lol
Jaguars not jag wires 😩
The idea of a city spending $800 million of PUBLIC money to host the Jags for 12-16 games is insanity. Single-sport stadiums are pretty unanimously a waste of taxpayer dollars. Camping World and The Swamp are totally fine for temporary homes as is. We need to be content with the stadiums we already have instead of encouraging this madness. Besides, the move will be a good opportunity for Jacksonville to earn fans in North and Central Florida.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Tourist tax dollars can only be used to boost tourism in Orlando, nothing else.
Have they seen the neighborhood it sits in?😂😂
WHERE IS THIS GUY FROM ? .......... NEW YORK ?
DAYTONA IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD !
.......... OH , ..... I SEE , MUST BE FROM ORLANDO .
Thats just stupid he wants the jags in Orlando from downtown jax to camping world is 2 hr 10 min to 2 hr 50 min 141 miles. Daytona speedway from jax is around 1 hr 23 min and 90 miles and is better a straight shot from 95 to it. Also camping would take longer to construct from materials getting to places and workers
I can’t take this guy seriously if insists on saying jawires, cmon dude
Why leave a community that already wants to have your team?
Renovation to jaguars stadium for 2 seasons
Jacksonville needs to be relocated out of state..terrible fan base
The Bears belong in the city period...
Ben Hill Griffin Stadium*
It’s a dump
@@jonnysmith1805 I’m not commenting on if that’s the place they need to go. He called it “Ben Griffith”
SMARTEST THING .
GAINSVILLE !
WAY EASIER ,
COSTS LESS .
This guy doesn't understand Duval! Keep the jags here!
Pay all that tax money to keep a team for only a couple years? What's the point?
Camping World Stadium always has been and always will be the stadium that nobody wants to play at.
BEN HILL GRIFFIN NOT GRIFFITH
This man HATES Orlando lol
This is really going to hurt Disney World hard if this goes through. Disney keeps up charging for everything this may make people rethink going there. (Probably not you never know)
Thise renders are not. Copy of Hardrock 😆
Just a total waste of money..Camping World is in an awful area of Orlando. It is too far from Jacksonville for a temp stadium. I would be shocked If your scenario came to be.
Lmao so pointless to renovate it with no team even playing there. It's fine how it is. Just fix up the upper level and move on.