Okay so swag never technically said that sage mode would work against the Yata mirror but you did kinda explain why it might. He said that because the yata mirror has every chakra nature and that's how it nullifies attacks. You explained that it worked kinda like the truth seeking orbs and so sage mode could nullify it as it also nullifies the truth seeking orbs. You merely brought it up but didn't outright say that would happen
he does tho, when arguing this most of oyu focus only on the power and not anything else, naruto in that form is easily capable of being taken out by genjutsu or sasuke supressing kurama.
@@coin4898 bruh the premise is he’s not using Genjutsu that’s how the conversation even came about in the first place. Because it’s already been shown that Sasuke can suppress Naruto’s Nine Tails at least in their mental plane. However if Genjutsu was off the table which is again the premise for this fight to even happen. Sasuke gets dogwalked as even an Orochimaru who Sasuke states was stronger than him could only stalemate 4 Tails Naruto and even states the bijuu bomb would’ve killed him if hit despite all of his psuedo immortality jutsu and body replacement. Sasuke doesn’t posssess Orochimaru’s vast arsenal at this point aside from some of his snake jutsu, poison resistance, and Manda making him an overall weaker character whether we’re looking at feats or just statements. So if you put him in the same fight with no Genjutsu he cannot contest a 4 Tails Naruto who canonically has almost killed two Sannin. Now that I’ve laid it out stop talking about Genjutsu because my argument has nothing to do with it. And if Sasuke were to let Naruto enter the four tails you can just argue he’d be overwhelmed physically and speed wise so he couldn’t even get a Genjutsu off if he tried. He also can’t damage this form of Naruto so Genjutsu is his literal only win condition anyway.
@isshinkurosaki252 we can't remove genjutsu from sasuke so naruto can win, that's like removing kurama from naruto and making sasuke stomp even harder He put killer bee in a genjutsu for a short amount of time despite the power difference and he's a perfect jinchuriki, wtf is a raging naruto (who does nothing but sit there and blast bombs) gonna do when he gets hit with the crap? And orochimatu without his hands gets beat up by sasuke also, he's handicapped while sasuke is a smart fighter. 4 tails naruto destroys his insides trying to use a bijuu bomb and then sasuke either shuts kurama down or genjutsu's the fuck outta nsruto and no diffs him Don't bother replying your already blocked for trying to remove sasukes win con just because your biased and want naruto to win🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@isshinkurosaki252At no point do they say that genjutsu is off the table in these battles. You’re just mad sasuke can easily suppress fourtails naruto before he get do anything to hurt sasuke.
@@DrUmar-gu4kp you’re a funny guy. Clearly one of them Sastards or whatever. So let me go over my point again for your smooth brain to process. If the consensus is “Oh well we seen this fight and Naruto just gets Genjutsu and the 9 tails gets suppressed” which is their whole earlier argument as to why the four tails wouldn’t emerge to make the scenario a Heavy Sasuke vs Four Tails, so they then decided to do a what if branch scenario on if the the two fought. Meaning for this to even take place you have to take Sasuke out of character so he doesn’t Genjutsu Naruto in the beginning and suppress the Nine Tails. They then on more than one occasion at least from what I can remember swag definitely does just consistently use Genjutsu or he can suppress the nine tails as his out. Where I agree that any Naruto under four tails is probably getting hit with Genjutsu and being suppressed based on Orochimaru’s statement, however that was about three tails, whereas four tails Naruto just upon emerging cuts Orochimaru in half, I don’t want to say it’s a blitz because Orochimaru then body substitutes meaning he clearly reacted. However he can’t damage this Naruto at all and even states his tailed beast bomb would kill him. Sasuke does not scale over this no arms Orochimaru and it’s even brought up by Diedara, Karin, Suigetsu, and wait for it… Sasuke himself. So without even considering feats we already have a scaling chain of No Arms Oro => Four Tails> Heavy Sasuke> Three Tails. Four tails is too fast to be caught in a Genjutsu by Sasuke if Naruto is staring in that state and Sasuke would be under so much pressure from being unable to pierce his cloak and the fatal threat and speed posed by the four tails considering this Sasuke is pre Orochimaru-Absorbed so has less durability then in his fight against Diedara where I think it’s either a C2 or a C3 bomb that can blow off one of his wings. Also Diedara saw the Two Tails and ran albeit Kakashi was present, however you could use this to argue even Diedara in his fight against Sasuke would be under the four tails in power by quite a bit and then a stronger Sasuke wins against Diedara with near death difficulty. Sasuke was clearly the superior in his fight against Diedara however he had to do a lot to mitigate Diedara’s range advantage causing him to fight from a weaker position and waste a bunch of chakra. Point is your a smooth brain who clearly didn’t read the series so no need for me to be mad about something I can clearly explain as illogical when there are people like you out here who are illogical just for fun. Congrats you’ve got smoked just like I’ve proved your idol would 😂
When Pain was using shinra tensei against six tails (I could have the number of tails wrong) I’m pretty sure that Pain was shocked that it was screaming so powerful that he could hear it and then even more shocked when it bypassed the almighty push and punched him so I think you’re right that it repels sound too
Final valley Sasuke did admit defeat to Naruto. But they were in the exact same condition and unable to move and Sasuke came back to consciousness first. If Sakura hadn't shown up they both would've died. Naruto and Sasuke are equal.
@@kittylitty01 great. I'm aware Naruto was only on defense in the beginning, Sasuke says as much in the fight. My original statement is still true. Bye.
Pretty much bias towards Sasuke alot. Sasuke in the Chunin Exams was getting beat up by Gaara in his 1 Tail State and Naruto destroyed Gaara, do the math, Naruto at that time would have destroyed Sasuke. Also *Bullshit* on Sasuke CM2 being stronger than 4 Tails Naruto, complete *Horse Shit and Bullcrap*
That’s disingenuous asf, sasuke is mentally nerfed because Gaara was talking crazy about how he lacks hatred and all that so he doesn’t think and keeps spamming chidoris which gaara recovers from each time. Then he has to rely on the curse mark and after that he can’t even move because he’s frozen. Naruto on the other hand only performs that well because he’s mentally amped because of the power of friendship and comrodery which symbolises that true strength isn’t in solitude, like what gaara and eventually sasuke believes, but in protecting bonds. This version of naruto probably wouldn’t summon that many clones against sasuke since it’s out of character for him to get that much of an amp, but even if he did, sasuke won’t be mentally nerfed as he was vs beserk gaara so he’ll just take them out like he did on the hospital rooftop
I mean, I agree 4 tails naruto beats up CM2 sasuke but it is definitely a conversation if you think orochimaru and sasuke are equal. Also naruto had a mental amp he wouldnt have against sasuke, the naruto that fought gaara would be relative to the naruto that fought NEJI if we dont include a mental amp. Neji and Rock Lee with weights were implied to be somewhat relative in terms of raw stats, with Rock lee being faster. Sasuke became = to rock lee weightless so sasuke = rock lee > naruto >= Neji. Also naruto does NOT have counter play for a chidori.
I can't unhear it, TG does sound like Lex💀
Six did such a good accent and then swag came in and just murdered my ears
bro. hear me out. the SSS podcast didnt happen, but hear me out. the SST podcast. swag, six, and thundergod just fucking around is the funniest shit
Okay so swag never technically said that sage mode would work against the Yata mirror but you did kinda explain why it might. He said that because the yata mirror has every chakra nature and that's how it nullifies attacks. You explained that it worked kinda like the truth seeking orbs and so sage mode could nullify it as it also nullifies the truth seeking orbs. You merely brought it up but didn't outright say that would happen
Ngl when you implied CM2 Sasuke had any chance against a 4 tails Naruto was outright bias and that’s why Six moved on. Respectfully
he does tho, when arguing this most of oyu focus only on the power and not anything else, naruto in that form is easily capable of being taken out by genjutsu or sasuke supressing kurama.
@@coin4898 bruh the premise is he’s not using Genjutsu that’s how the conversation even came about in the first place. Because it’s already been shown that Sasuke can suppress Naruto’s Nine Tails at least in their mental plane. However if Genjutsu was off the table which is again the premise for this fight to even happen. Sasuke gets dogwalked as even an Orochimaru who Sasuke states was stronger than him could only stalemate 4 Tails Naruto and even states the bijuu bomb would’ve killed him if hit despite all of his psuedo immortality jutsu and body replacement. Sasuke doesn’t posssess Orochimaru’s vast arsenal at this point aside from some of his snake jutsu, poison resistance, and Manda making him an overall weaker character whether we’re looking at feats or just statements. So if you put him in the same fight with no Genjutsu he cannot contest a 4 Tails Naruto who canonically has almost killed two Sannin. Now that I’ve laid it out stop talking about Genjutsu because my argument has nothing to do with it. And if Sasuke were to let Naruto enter the four tails you can just argue he’d be overwhelmed physically and speed wise so he couldn’t even get a Genjutsu off if he tried. He also can’t damage this form of Naruto so Genjutsu is his literal only win condition anyway.
@isshinkurosaki252 we can't remove genjutsu from sasuke so naruto can win, that's like removing kurama from naruto and making sasuke stomp even harder
He put killer bee in a genjutsu for a short amount of time despite the power difference and he's a perfect jinchuriki, wtf is a raging naruto (who does nothing but sit there and blast bombs) gonna do when he gets hit with the crap?
And orochimatu without his hands gets beat up by sasuke also, he's handicapped while sasuke is a smart fighter. 4 tails naruto destroys his insides trying to use a bijuu bomb and then sasuke either shuts kurama down or genjutsu's the fuck outta nsruto and no diffs him
Don't bother replying your already blocked for trying to remove sasukes win con just because your biased and want naruto to win🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@isshinkurosaki252At no point do they say that genjutsu is off the table in these battles. You’re just mad sasuke can easily suppress fourtails naruto before he get do anything to hurt sasuke.
@@DrUmar-gu4kp you’re a funny guy. Clearly one of them Sastards or whatever. So let me go over my point again for your smooth brain to process. If the consensus is “Oh well we seen this fight and Naruto just gets Genjutsu and the 9 tails gets suppressed” which is their whole earlier argument as to why the four tails wouldn’t emerge to make the scenario a Heavy Sasuke vs Four Tails, so they then decided to do a what if branch scenario on if the the two fought. Meaning for this to even take place you have to take Sasuke out of character so he doesn’t Genjutsu Naruto in the beginning and suppress the Nine Tails. They then on more than one occasion at least from what I can remember swag definitely does just consistently use Genjutsu or he can suppress the nine tails as his out. Where I agree that any Naruto under four tails is probably getting hit with Genjutsu and being suppressed based on Orochimaru’s statement, however that was about three tails, whereas four tails Naruto just upon emerging cuts Orochimaru in half, I don’t want to say it’s a blitz because Orochimaru then body substitutes meaning he clearly reacted. However he can’t damage this Naruto at all and even states his tailed beast bomb would kill him. Sasuke does not scale over this no arms Orochimaru and it’s even brought up by Diedara, Karin, Suigetsu, and wait for it… Sasuke himself. So without even considering feats we already have a scaling chain of No Arms Oro => Four Tails> Heavy Sasuke> Three Tails. Four tails is too fast to be caught in a Genjutsu by Sasuke if Naruto is staring in that state and Sasuke would be under so much pressure from being unable to pierce his cloak and the fatal threat and speed posed by the four tails considering this Sasuke is pre Orochimaru-Absorbed so has less durability then in his fight against Diedara where I think it’s either a C2 or a C3 bomb that can blow off one of his wings. Also Diedara saw the Two Tails and ran albeit Kakashi was present, however you could use this to argue even Diedara in his fight against Sasuke would be under the four tails in power by quite a bit and then a stronger Sasuke wins against Diedara with near death difficulty. Sasuke was clearly the superior in his fight against Diedara however he had to do a lot to mitigate Diedara’s range advantage causing him to fight from a weaker position and waste a bunch of chakra. Point is your a smooth brain who clearly didn’t read the series so no need for me to be mad about something I can clearly explain as illogical when there are people like you out here who are illogical just for fun. Congrats you’ve got smoked just like I’ve proved your idol would 😂
24:34 The spider one was actually found out to be flawed it’s a rumor that never got confirmed or corrected so everyone believed it
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If Naruto got the 8 tails amp against Sasuke in the retrieval arc he'd get it against him in land of waves
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42:22 Doesn't Shinra tensei repel all things? There's a good chance it could repel sound.
When Pain was using shinra tensei against six tails (I could have the number of tails wrong) I’m pretty sure that Pain was shocked that it was screaming so powerful that he could hear it and then even more shocked when it bypassed the almighty push and punched him so I think you’re right that it repels sound too
Final valley Sasuke did admit defeat to Naruto. But they were in the exact same condition and unable to move and Sasuke came back to consciousness first. If Sakura hadn't shown up they both would've died. Naruto and Sasuke are equal.
Naruto was holding back, sasuke wanted to kill naruto and naruto was trying to save sasuke
@@kittylitty01 great. I'm aware Naruto was only on defense in the beginning, Sasuke says as much in the fight. My original statement is still true. Bye.
Naruto* came back to consciousness first.
he wasn't holding back, he just doesn't go for the kill,@@kittylitty01
@@coin4898that’s holding back
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Why speed up…..
Wish ya'll didn't speed up the vid lol chipmunks lol
Pretty much bias towards Sasuke alot.
Sasuke in the Chunin Exams was getting beat up by Gaara in his 1 Tail State and Naruto destroyed Gaara, do the math, Naruto at that time would have destroyed Sasuke.
Also *Bullshit* on Sasuke CM2 being stronger than 4 Tails Naruto, complete *Horse Shit and Bullcrap*
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Because sasuke was mostly stronger
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That’s disingenuous asf, sasuke is mentally nerfed because Gaara was talking crazy about how he lacks hatred and all that so he doesn’t think and keeps spamming chidoris which gaara recovers from each time. Then he has to rely on the curse mark and after that he can’t even move because he’s frozen.
Naruto on the other hand only performs that well because he’s mentally amped because of the power of friendship and comrodery which symbolises that true strength isn’t in solitude, like what gaara and eventually sasuke believes, but in protecting bonds.
This version of naruto probably wouldn’t summon that many clones against sasuke since it’s out of character for him to get that much of an amp, but even if he did, sasuke won’t be mentally nerfed as he was vs beserk gaara so he’ll just take them out like he did on the hospital rooftop
I mean, I agree 4 tails naruto beats up CM2 sasuke but it is definitely a conversation if you think orochimaru and sasuke are equal. Also naruto had a mental amp he wouldnt have against sasuke, the naruto that fought gaara would be relative to the naruto that fought NEJI if we dont include a mental amp. Neji and Rock Lee with weights were implied to be somewhat relative in terms of raw stats, with Rock lee being faster. Sasuke became = to rock lee weightless so sasuke = rock lee > naruto >= Neji. Also naruto does NOT have counter play for a chidori.