No-Open NOCO Repair: Power Measurement and Charging Hack

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  • @jasonbonner9475
    @jasonbonner9475 10 місяців тому +14

    Great video. You can also plug straight into the usb A output for ground so you don’t need to buy the usb C-A adaptor.

  • @CarlosFlores-ih7dg
    @CarlosFlores-ih7dg 8 місяців тому +14

    Thank you.... this worked for me. I went to Harbor freight and got the cen-tech battery maintainer $9.99. Got home and cut one end of an old usb a and of the 4 wires I used the black wire. Plug the positive clamp of the maintainer to the positive clamp of the noco and on the usb a black wire I plugged the negative clamp of the maintainer. 15min later noco was alive again. Thank you!!!

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  8 місяців тому +1

      Awesome. What is the current on the battery maintainer? I bet it's in the right range for charging this thing up.

    • @NorthFaceHiker
      @NorthFaceHiker 4 місяці тому +1

      I used this same trick and it worked like a charm. I have a Battery Tender brand tender and it outputs 1.25 amps.
      It brought the unit up far enough to get the red light in about 2 minutes, and then I brought it inside and put it on the regular outlet charger.

    • @jamie1682
      @jamie1682 Місяць тому

      @CarlosFlores-ih7dg did the charging light turn green on the cen-tech trickle charger for you? Mine is staying in yellow, which is standby.

    • @CarlosFlores-ih7dg
      @CarlosFlores-ih7dg Місяць тому

      ​@@jamie1682Yes it blinks indicating it's charging

    • @CarlosFlores-ih7dg
      @CarlosFlores-ih7dg Місяць тому

      ​@@colindgrant500mA

  • @daviddings4823
    @daviddings4823 7 місяців тому +7

    Thank you so much for this video. I’ve had a GBX 55 that’s been dead for six months. I could not build a power supply like you have. But I did have extra USB-C cable, so I stripped back the white outer coating of the cable, to show the black and red wire on the inside. then I cut the red wire in half, Stripped back the red wire from the USB-A end and I connected that wire to the red positive clamp of the noco. I took the USB-C end which had only the black ground wire still attached, and plugged it into the USB-C input of the noco. I first plugged the USB-A end into a 5V 400ma Power supply and left it plugged in for approximately 15 minutes. Then I pushed the power button for the light on the noco, and the charging LED started to blink fast. So I disconnected everything I hacked together. Three days later using the same 400 mA power supply and a new USB-C cable, my Noco GBX55 is fully restored. Able to take on my 60W fast charger. Again, thank you so much!!!

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  6 місяців тому

      That's great! The fast blinking was probably because the battery still needed more time on your charger before the NOCO BMS could take over. Nice work.

  • @miken191
    @miken191 8 місяців тому +2

    Has anyone figured out why this happens in the first place, I mean why the battery gets drained and the USB C port cannot charge it? By the way great video Colin.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  8 місяців тому +5

      Thanks! I can't answer completely. But I can add a few things:
      1) The USB-C port incorporates a buck-boost converter that adapts between the pack voltage and that of the device plugged in. When you plug in a charger, it boosts the voltage UP, and then that power is passed on to a special lithium ion battery charging IC, which charges up to around 16V. When you plug in a load, it bucks the battery voltage DOWN to 12 or 5V. USB-C devices identify themselves as sources or sinks (chargers or loads), and with the voltages they support, and there is a negotiation between devices at both ends of the cable. So you have a chicken and egg problem. The USB-C circuitry inside the pack has to be powered in order to achieve this negotiation, so that it can receive power! It's analogous to a car battery with an alternator. A truly dead battery won't signal the alternator to make power in order to charge the battery, so roll starting won't even work.
      2) As for why the battery gets drained in the first place, I think there must be some small parasitic draw, maybe listening for you to press a button. If you jump start a car or two, you deplete the pack, and then if you don't get the thing onto a charger soon, the parasitic draw brings the pack voltage down below some built in safety threshold. Theoretically a low cell may be an indicator of a damaged cell. So most lithium ion battery management systems are designed to refuse to charge low cells, out of extreme caution. Remember these things can't be allowed to catch fire on an airplane, or after leaving outside at 20 below, or in your car at 160F on a hot day. So manufacturers have to play it safe, and just refuse to charge when there is any indicator of any risk at all.
      Sorry for the novel, hope that helps!

    • @miken191
      @miken191 7 місяців тому

      @@colindgrant Thanks Colin for sharing your thoughts. Do you think that having a charger connected to the USB C port of the NOCO which is not turned ON could drain the battery via the USB C port? I use a laptop USB C charger which I run via an inverter in my car. The NOCO is connected to the charger all the time, except if I want to use it outside of the car. So it is only charging when the engine is running. The car can sit in the garage for several days sometimes. It is interesting though, that I have been using it like this for almost a year and it just died one day....

    • @PeterTwo-qm3xk
      @PeterTwo-qm3xk 5 місяців тому +1

      Nice explanation

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      @miken191 Hmm, the NOCO is designed for charging and discharging through the USB, so I suppose that is possible that it was drained, but I'm surprised it would die suddenly.

  • @stevenharris2190
    @stevenharris2190 Рік тому +4

    Great Video. I have watched your previous video and managed to fix my 150. Unfortunately i have 3 more i have charged by opening up but unfortunately they still do not charge on their own. Keep up the good work love from the UK

  • @mechengineer4894
    @mechengineer4894 Місяць тому +2

    Didn't have a triangular screwdriver bit or a torx bit that would fit, so substituted it with a hacksaw. Took an hour to remove the back cover to avoid damaging the internals. Wish I watched this video before the one for the GBX55.

  • @lt1jon
    @lt1jon 5 місяців тому +3

    I tried this on mine, and it seems to have worked! Thanks man!

  • @Djkyle65
    @Djkyle65 9 місяців тому +6

    Would love to see a video on how you made that power supply

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому +1

      Hey there @Djkyle65, thanks to comments from you and others, I went ahead and made a video about that power supply. Let me know if it's helpful! ua-cam.com/video/vJJl3NoeiUc/v-deo.html

  • @HondaFit4Adventure
    @HondaFit4Adventure 27 днів тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  27 днів тому +1

      I’m glad you found it helpful. Thank you for your generosity!

    • @HondaFit4Adventure
      @HondaFit4Adventure 27 днів тому +2

      Thank You so much! My NOCO died right before my road trip and this revived it. I'm assuming the light was accidentally turned on and ran the battery completely dead.
      Here are few helpful tips to help revive the NOCO boost pack.
      1. Make sure you have a decent wall adapter for the USB-C cable. A 1amp USB wall adapter may not supply enough power to continue charging the boost pack.
      2. Continue to charge the boost pack with the USB-C cable as soon as you take the boost pack off the power supply. The voltage on the boost pack will or may quickly drop as soon as you take it off the power supply. If the voltage drops to much, then the USB-C cord won't be able to continue charging the boost pack.

  • @mikes9759
    @mikes9759 9 місяців тому +2

    Great Vid! Can you list where to get all of these cables? I would like to have this equipment for repair and checking equipment!

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      @mikes9759 now listed in the description!

  • @alanmatthews1646
    @alanmatthews1646 11 місяців тому +4

    Could you recommend a simple power supply off the shelf to do this? I just bought a gbx155 and would like to be prepared just in case this ever happens to me

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      Any 12V 'trickle charger' should do the job.

  • @shawnmathis9070
    @shawnmathis9070 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much as the one other person who commented about the usb out port as well I used a small voltage regulator kit and cut a usb cable ran it for 5 min now charging with regular cable

  • @reggaeregis
    @reggaeregis 8 днів тому

    Hi, thanks for sharing your experience how to fix it. I have 3 devices. one following your method i manage to make alive again. but other two not really. Once is up to 10-12v and plugged in fast charge usb c 65w laptop charger it just keep son 25% mark and does not get full charge no matter how long its left. also fast charge icon on the device its solid red (not white as it should be). not sure what should i try next.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  8 днів тому

      @@reggaeregis look at my other NOCO video that has ‘balancing’ in the title. Probably worth looking up that red light too. I don’t remember of hand.

  • @catlady8324
    @catlady8324 Місяць тому +2

    Can’t you use the cigarette lighter plug to charge directly to the battery and bypass the BMS?

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  Місяць тому

      @@catlady8324 that’s what I hear. I don’t have one but I’d love to test it out.

    • @jdpedigo1
      @jdpedigo1 27 днів тому +1

      @@colindgrant I have one, didnt work for me

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  27 днів тому +1

      @@jdpedigo1 Good to know. Sounds like people have mixed results.

    • @jdpedigo1
      @jdpedigo1 26 днів тому

      @@colindgrant ordered the parts in, going to do your no open bypass. Thanks for the video Colin.

  • @YeroonSC
    @YeroonSC 9 місяців тому

    Thanks for this nice video. I'm still confused about the silver power unit you used to crank up the voltage of the internal battery cells to 10V. I suppose this power supply must be able to steer on output current. What kind of power supply unit do you recommend for this purpose? Can you recommend a specific model/brand ?

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      Hi @YeroonSC, thanks to your comment and similar from others, I actually made a video to show what that power supply is all about. ua-cam.com/video/vJJl3NoeiUc/v-deo.html
      Note that if you have a 12V 'trickle charger', that should work as well. Good luck!

  • @Osirious
    @Osirious Місяць тому +1

    Original NOCO Car charger is 12V 65W, this is what you use when normal charger dont work as it forces 12v and not "auto select 5v" as the wall charger does when low on power. Just use the manual and what comes with the charger, no need for anything else.

  • @Sisko125
    @Sisko125 День тому

    Can you use a bench-top power supply to do this?? I don't have the computer power supply like you have. Thanks for any info

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  День тому

      @@Sisko125 oh yeah bench top is preferred. My ATX power supply is just a DIY version of a bench top PSU!

    • @Sisko125
      @Sisko125 День тому

      @@colindgrant​​⁠ THANKS!! I just got. Gooloo 4000s that will not charge for Christmas getting a E4code and beeping. Have a diagnostic usb and like you no amp, no watts. How do I set my power supply to do what you do? I think I can do a usb to clip at home I have so many laying around that I can sacrifice to do this. Thanks for any help with the ps adjustments!!!

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  День тому

      @ it should just be a matter of setting volt and amp limits on your power supply, just like I did. But if those power packs are new, I wouldn’t try to fix them, I would exchange them!

    • @Sisko125
      @Sisko125 День тому

      @@colindgrant Yeah i can’t exchange it I bought it from a surplus store and they don’t do exchange or refund. This was a brand new unopened box so I’m stuck with it so I’m tempted to revive this booster!

  • @pardeepsingh6578
    @pardeepsingh6578 3 місяці тому

    would this work on a Noco Gb251+ 24v jump starter? i tried jumping a truck too many times and think ran the jumper battery down past 0. the error LED flashes 4 times and doesn’t charge

  • @RobS282
    @RobS282 6 місяців тому +1

    thanks,,,, seems to be working on mine

  • @simpesfaip
    @simpesfaip 2 місяці тому

    Thnx for tip.works on my Noco. Make more tips pls

  • @rickss69
    @rickss69 3 місяці тому

    Can you not just use the outer shell of the usb A-C cable for a ground connection instead of buying that adapter with pigtails?

  • @singletrackchaser
    @singletrackchaser Місяць тому

    @colindgrant could you trickle charge the NOCO using its negative lead clamp instead of via the usb port?

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  Місяць тому +1

      No, the negative lead is switched internally, it's not directly connected to the battery.

    • @singletrackchaser
      @singletrackchaser Місяць тому

      @ thanks.

  • @trtrecoveryuae
    @trtrecoveryuae 4 місяці тому

    Super video,
    I also have a gbx155, I completely followed your method before charging there was 8v, now there is 14v but I still can't charge it, I tried different charging methods and I still get the fix red light. The booster works and charges up to 50% with the trickle charger but never with the USB C. Do you have any idea why it won't charge? Thanks for your help

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  3 місяці тому +1

      Hmm, not sure. The next step is to measure the individual cells to see if they are in balance. One of the cells may be too low or too high for the charge circuitry to allow charging. See my video on balancing: ua-cam.com/video/pHvbp5dcJH0/v-deo.htmlsi=BBaPrG1feghmgt63

  • @johnr5545
    @johnr5545 2 дні тому

    Great video thanks and God bless

  • @papuchongo
    @papuchongo 10 місяців тому

    do you think it would be safe to attach the positive clamp and negative clip ends to a noco trickle charger? The trickle charger has a mode for 6v, not sure if that's safe or not to be honest. I have a Noco Genius 2 trickle charger. I don't have a PSU like the one you have in the video.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  10 місяців тому

      No you really need to be able to control voltage and current. Power supplies are cheap. Look for CC/CV in the name. Your NOCO charger will try and detect what it is connected to, so I doubt it would work, and I wouldn't attempt it.

    • @papuchongo
      @papuchongo 10 місяців тому +2

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@colindgrantthank you for the update! I saw this a bit too late and just went ahead and connected to the trickle charger using the 12V Lithium setting. It was connected for less than the five minutes and I removed it as soon as the Noco was able to power on so I can let it charge via the usb C port on a regular charger. I will definitely get CC/CV PSU for the future. Thank you much! This video saved me.
      Edit: just for clarification I used the same setup as your video minus the PSU, for which I used a trickle charger I already had on hand. Bought the USB-A to Aligator clips adapter and attached it to a USC-C to A adapter I already had.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  10 місяців тому +1

      @@papuchongo Ok, great, thanks for following up with your experience for others to read!

  • @519_grows6
    @519_grows6 2 місяці тому

    Hi tried this getting 3.21 volts but it won't build up a charge.is there another possible problem

  • @TanerdyTest2
    @TanerdyTest2 24 дні тому

    how much voltage should it rise to for a gbx 155

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  23 дні тому

      That should be a 4S LiPo battery, so I would target 12V (3V per cell), or up to 14V (3.5V per cell) if needed. You'll probably see it wake up even lower though. As soon as you can, switch to regular USB charging, and let it charge itself. It knows how to stop when any individual cell gets too high. Good luck.

  • @motosaki404
    @motosaki404 2 місяці тому

    Every video or writeup i see about these always has the charging port as USB-C... My GB40 is evidently one of the first versions or something because mine has a micro usb instead. I assume your method will still work the same for my unit? (just substituting the usb-c cable with a micro usb cable)

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  2 місяці тому

      @@motosaki404 I have a video on the GB40 as well. I think it’s micro USB on the GB models. I do think this method will work with the micro USB connector.

  • @coltweaver5438
    @coltweaver5438 4 місяці тому

    Great video, I have a gbx155 and when I turn it on all the lights come on for a few seconds then it shuts off even the flashlight will power on the power off can you help

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому +1

      @@coltweaver5438 hmm, I’d suggest following the same procedure here. Decent chance your battery is right on the edge and can be brought back to life!

  • @SubieShiz
    @SubieShiz 9 місяців тому +1

    So i have a 500+ and im not sure how much i should juice it up. Its a scary amount of battery to be playing with

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      Not familiar with a 500+

    • @Zscach
      @Zscach Місяць тому

      How did you go mate? I am looking at buying a broken one, but they want 500 bucks for it, seems a big gamble

  • @bullet7866
    @bullet7866 2 місяці тому

    Is there anyone in the UK that can repair these NOCO
    I ain’t got the skills or equipment to do this.
    I have the GBX55 just out off warranty
    Thanks

  • @ErJ-eq6xc
    @ErJ-eq6xc 11 місяців тому +1

    What is the name of this silver voltage charger

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  11 місяців тому +1

      It's a power supply out of an ATX computer case. I added a buck boost converter to it, powered off of the 12V rail. I put it together years ago, I guess I should have made a video!

    • @JerryG2714
      @JerryG2714 11 місяців тому

      Can we buy something like this I got a gbx75 and the battery won’t charge need some help please

    • @JerryG2714
      @JerryG2714 11 місяців тому

      @@colindgrantthanks

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  11 місяців тому

      @@JerryG2714you just need a power supply that supports constant voltage and constant current. If you're not familiar with power supplies I would not attempt this repair just yet. Plenty of YT resources on power supplies though!

  • @about823jews
    @about823jews Місяць тому

    How do I go about doing this on a gb40 it has a USB micro instead of a USB c input

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  21 день тому

      It should work the same way. Just need an adapter for micro to alligator clips.

  • @Amstradtvr-s3o
    @Amstradtvr-s3o 10 днів тому

    My genius pro 50 died one day, had it in my battery in 10 amp mode and left it for a few days, I came back and dead. Really annoying as it was brand new, so I took it apart hoping to see an internal fuse and if there is one then I do not recognise it…. I expected it to be obvious cause of how big it would need to be. However all I know is how to solder, not how to diagnose and even then it’s so complicated in there without a schematic you have no chance. Everything looks perfect, so the faulty component is hidden.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  9 днів тому

      Bummer! I've never used one of those or seen inside. Good move looking for a fuse. It may be smaller than you think though. Here's a video that is much like your situation. I had a device fail, I couldn't find a fuse and bought a replacement, it failed the same way, and then I finally found the fuse!
      ua-cam.com/video/vJJl3NoeiUc/v-deo.html

  • @lovellmills7959
    @lovellmills7959 9 місяців тому

    So I just got one yesterday brand new and it turns on and has 1 red bar but the charge does not go up ☹

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  3 місяці тому

      Don't mess around with a brand new one. If it doesn't charge, return that sucker!

    • @lovellmills7959
      @lovellmills7959 3 місяці тому

      @@colindgrant I've now went through 3 of them in 5 months 😹 they are terrible

  • @brucebondi6104
    @brucebondi6104 8 місяців тому

    Can I use a car trickle charger if I don't have a fancy charger like yours

    • @richardupinya6351
      @richardupinya6351 8 місяців тому

      Yes. This is what I did. I think a lot of people in the comments are thinking you need some kind of power supply. I just used a 1 amp trickle charger (also a Noco but it doesn’t have to be) and a regular old usb cable. Let the battery charger run for about 5 minutes and then unhooked it and plugged in the gbx charger and it came back to life.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      Great point, that should work in most cases.

  • @fattmouth7715
    @fattmouth7715 4 місяці тому

    I’ve got a GBX 155 that got wet and now it’s flashing a blue light and will not do anything except turn on… Any ideas.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      @@fattmouth7715 Unfortunately no experience with those. Has it had time to dry out completely?

    • @fattmouth7715
      @fattmouth7715 4 місяці тому

      @@colindgrant yes it happened 2 weeks ago

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      @@fattmouth7715 You may want to open it up to check the voltage of each cell individually. Look for my NOCO ‘balance’ video. If any cells are below 3V, then balance charge them. But if they’re above 3V and evenly charged, then it’s likely not a battery cell issue, and I’d suspect a component fried inside.

  • @rgrkim
    @rgrkim 6 місяців тому

    are they still having this problem with no charge when its fully drained?

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  3 місяці тому +1

      Just about any consumer lithium battery pack has a BMS that works like this. In a LiPo device like this, I think it's actually a reasonable thing to include. What's not reasonable is how the pack drains itself!

  • @matt467f1
    @matt467f1 9 місяців тому +1

    Gbx45 appears lifeless, made up these leads with clips, but measure 16v (with a meter) before connecting to external power supply, rather than around 2v.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  4 місяці тому

      If you're getting 16V, then that's a fully charged battery pack. Sorry to say it sounds like your board is dead.

  • @iamchaos1399
    @iamchaos1399 5 місяців тому

    I tried to charge my phone with this and it won't charge, like no power to it. Tried other things nothing. Charger was fully charged

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  3 місяці тому

      Have you tried other USB devices? Some phones are finicky about USB-PD, which is the charge protocol used in this USB-C charger.

  • @o.g.5610
    @o.g.5610 5 місяців тому

    MY Boost Pro GB150 won't charge past 25%. 😒

  • @johnnyrizzo8057
    @johnnyrizzo8057 2 місяці тому

    Shame on Noco. For that price it should be no issues. I seen a video that Noco is aware of issue and is doing nothing about fixing the problem. B/c of that I bought HOMPOW 6000A

  • @MrWilliamathomasusa
    @MrWilliamathomasusa 11 місяців тому +6

    Get yourself a car cigarette lighter plug… attach to NOCO and drive for 15 minutes…
    Then you can charge it from wall outlet…
    Don’t need a bunch of gadgets!!!

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  11 місяців тому

      How is 12V from a cigarette lighter plug different than 12V from a 'gadget'?

    • @jasonbonner9475
      @jasonbonner9475 10 місяців тому +1

      I think @MrWilliamthomasusa is referring to the 12V Noco cigarette charger you get free with a new unit. This is supposed to revive the low battery state as you’re supplying 12v as opposed to 5v usb. No different, just “gadget free”. Not 100% sure it works as good as this method where you can see exactly what is going on with charge status.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant  10 місяців тому +1

      @@jasonbonner9475I hear ya, but these GBX devices only have USB-C Power Delivery input. There's no way to just feed them non-negotiated voltage through the USB-C port *that I know of*.
      The 12V cigarette lighter plug could have the electronics that allow it to feed USB Power Delivery at the 12V PDO, but I doubt it. The USB group deprecated 12V in favor of the 9V and 15V PDOs. Regardless, as far as I can tell, the only way to get power in to the NOCO thru the USB-C port is by handshaking with the Power Delivery controller inside, which in this case is dead. Happy to be wrong about this, and I'd love to know how the car charger can help.

    • @Osirious
      @Osirious Місяць тому +1

      @@colindgrant Original NOCO Car charger is 12V 65W, this is what you use when normal charger dont work as it forces 12v and not "auto select 5v" as the wall charger does when low on power. Just use the manual and what comes with the charger, no need for anything else.