AfriForum failed in its bid to have the struggle song “Kill the boer” declared as hate speech

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2022
  • Lobby group AfriForum failed in its bid to have the struggle song “Kill the boer” declared as hate speech.
    The Equality Court ruled in the favour of the EFF and its leadership, and dismissed the matter with costs. The lobby group had previously argued that the singing of the song incites violence and promotes farm killings.
    To unpack this further, we are joined by Apartheid activist, Trevor Ngwane, Azanian People's Organisation's Nelvis Qekema, and AfriForum Head of Policy and Action Ernst Roets.
    Tune into Newzroom Afrika channel 405 for more.
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  • @collenmakgopa2875
    @collenmakgopa2875 Рік тому +9

    The gentlemen in the studio big up to him his loud and clear and i agree with him

  • @M1ke22
    @M1ke22 Рік тому +16

    Ernst was the only person in the studio that actually made a rational and balanced argument. The other two gentlemen hopelessly kept sidetracking to other completely unrelated distractions which actually had nothing to do with the court case at hand. Imagine Afriforum and their members singing songs about murdering of black groups and then claiming 'culture' or 'metaphor'. It is absurd!

    • @kadimaalain2658
      @kadimaalain2658 Рік тому

      Afriforum still wants to keep the apartheid flag it says everything about them fools

    • @joeyamukongo3066
      @joeyamukongo3066 Рік тому

      Look at this fool

    • @ebenwiid7140
      @ebenwiid7140 Рік тому

      That is Critical Theory at its best, these brain dead followers of CRT believe that truth, facts and logic is racist and oppressive and must always be ignored and then be trumped by their fantasies and feelings. So the rules of engagement is determined by the the ignorant and the brain dead. Then guess what, all the other brain dead followers will shout against you when you bring facts and logic to the table, because you are now being racist and oppressive by bringing these utterly offensive things into the argument!

  • @mash288
    @mash288 Рік тому +13

    The PAC president should’ve been part of this discussion too

  • @africanqueen1655
    @africanqueen1655 Рік тому

    Yes Brother in the studio, Our Land is still occupied and we want it back. Let’s start their, they are in our land and we want it back. 🙏🏾🤴🏾👸🏾👏🏾

  • @africanqueen1655
    @africanqueen1655 Рік тому +1

    God Blessed Africans with Our Land got Food, Medicine, Shelter, Prayer & our Resources to enhance them. They have to RETURN Our African Land. Once we are no longer struggling, we won’t need struggle songs. 🙏🏾🤴🏾👸🏾👏🏾

    • @user-jr2ue9nu6y
      @user-jr2ue9nu6y Рік тому

      Never gonna happen

    • @africanqueen1655
      @africanqueen1655 Рік тому

      @@user-jr2ue9nu6y READ and Black African Hebrew Bible & WEEP at the part of the Redemption of his Chosen Hebrew Children, and the Judgment on those that enslaved them. 🙏🏿🤴🏾🙌🏾❤️

    • @user-jr2ue9nu6y
      @user-jr2ue9nu6y Рік тому

      @@africanqueen1655 Ooga Booga give us rights

    • @africanqueen1655
      @africanqueen1655 Рік тому

      @@user-jr2ue9nu6y Why you non-Black Africans do EVIL, angry & jealous? 😲🤪😂

  • @kareandersson
    @kareandersson Рік тому +1

    What makes me somewhat positive is that today there are more and more blacks to talk for the rights of whites (and others) as there are whites who engages in the rights of blacks and other people. I would say this wasn't common some 20 years ago. The golden rule applies not only to the individual, but all groups. Not that I never feels hatred in my heart, but I can see which type of behavior from others that makes it lessen and what makes is worsen. Also I heard Gods voice. I know karma is real and possible the subject even dual on some level. Only love brings the world forward.

  • @elizabethnadrau195
    @elizabethnadrau195 Рік тому +8

    That song is not EFF song was a struggle song.It has got nothing todo with the killing of the Farmers. Every body ,black and white are getting killed in SouthAfrica without that song. That song is the song for more demanding Our Rights of the land(.struggle song is that Song).Was sung during the time of struggle.It has got something( with the System.)To sit there in that Studio discussing about that song, l find it is just being stubborn. The Court dismissed that case.It was not composed byEFF. This is a good explanation what the Dr says.

    • @HIGHHOPES
      @HIGHHOPES Рік тому +1

      hahaha the song is literally just chanting "kill the boer". you're not convincing anyone

    • @ebenwiid7140
      @ebenwiid7140 Рік тому

      if the song does not mean what it says, why sing it? It is already proven how farm murderers took the song literally and wrote the words on the wall in the blood of their victims and others who sang the song while killing the farmers, so you telling me it has nothing to do with farm murders does not convince me at all.

  • @sandisonjova8053
    @sandisonjova8053 Рік тому +9

    The song was there since the boers took our land,that song still relevant even now becouse the land is not returned yet.

  • @nathingubane8570
    @nathingubane8570 Рік тому +3

    Did the gentleman just say "Whatever?". This is what i dislike about debating with my fellow white people because they choose to dismiss facts raised. Even if he sees your point eventually, he will not admit it.

    • @ebenwiid7140
      @ebenwiid7140 Рік тому

      Ernst was the only person in this debate that brought any facts to the table, please enlighten me on what facts he dismissed.

  • @HostingAfrica_biz
    @HostingAfrica_biz Рік тому +1

    The gentlemen in the studio has soo much hatred. There is no unity in his mind.

  • @sandisonjova8053
    @sandisonjova8053 Рік тому +2

    If we say it was the struggle song then why we cannot sing it?while we still struggling to get the land.

    • @kingmufasa8929
      @kingmufasa8929 Рік тому

      Bring the receipt and then you take your piece of land that you bought. Remember to PAY your TAXES, REFUSE, SEWAGE, ELECTRICITY, AVAILABILITY! EVERYTHING! NOTHING IS FOR FREE!

    • @ebenwiid7140
      @ebenwiid7140 Рік тому

      go give your proof of ownership of your land that was stolen to the land claims court. If you do not have proof, please stop complaining and stop trying to steal land that was never yours to begin with. Almost all land owned today was bartered for or bought. The land claims court have dealt with many other cases and claimants were compensated. There is a system in place for the real people that were dispossessed, use the system if you really have a claim. If you really want to sing about killing other people, stop using excuses to show your hatred and just confess that you are an evil person with no moral values.

  • @hermanwaltmann6072
    @hermanwaltmann6072 Рік тому +5

    If this is a strugle song and thy are allowed to sing it, then it would not be wrong to sing a song '' One Bullet-One Black'' it will be our strugle song of ''Blood River'' !!!!

  • @francoisvanaardt1721
    @francoisvanaardt1721 Рік тому +10

    What a bunch of twisting words to justify murder songs

  • @tokalebenya1563
    @tokalebenya1563 Рік тому +1

    "This guys in studio..." Ya delela le ntwana yoh.

  • @andrewlinesjah4538
    @andrewlinesjah4538 Рік тому

    It is obvious
    That
    the song has no place in any south africa at all
    and the judge erred to say the very least
    I DO BELIEVE THAT LEAVE TO APPEAL SHALL BE GRANTED
    AND THE VERDICT SHALL IN FACT BE OVERTURNED

  • @bertramhall6131
    @bertramhall6131 Рік тому +8

    Any song about killing anyone is just not civilised and should never be tolerated. Just shows the crude mental mind of some in our supposed to be political parties.

    • @nomfunekonosilela3895
      @nomfunekonosilela3895 Рік тому +3

      At least we know where they stand unlike some people who pretend to embrace the new disoensation but continue exploiting their employees in their houses and farms

    • @ZomziWeAfrika
      @ZomziWeAfrika Рік тому

      We still have die stem that you sang when you were killing our people we want it out .

    • @marblemaselo2540
      @marblemaselo2540 Рік тому

      Cancel Stim song
      Our ppl died

    • @ebenwiid7140
      @ebenwiid7140 Рік тому

      @@ZomziWeAfrika you seem to have no idea who killed who in South Africa. Go study some history before making ignorant comments.

  • @CitizenCayne
    @CitizenCayne Рік тому +4

    Why not SING for peace and unity? Why sing for killing and death? Does THIS make sense to ANY sane person?

    • @ebenwiid7140
      @ebenwiid7140 Рік тому

      it only makes sense to all the immoral and inhumane people that are full of hatred for people that does not look like them and like to promote the murder of those people that does not look like them. To put it plain and simple, all the racists love singing this song!

  • @babolico9354
    @babolico9354 Рік тому +8

    WHO IS THAT BLACK GUY TALKING IN THE NEWSROOMS I LOVE HIM HE IS RIGHT 100%

  • @fredjohnson6513
    @fredjohnson6513 Рік тому

    Works both ways!

  • @jethromokwena2948
    @jethromokwena2948 Рік тому +12

    if they feel offended the airports are opened there hve enough money to buy air tickets n fly to Germany

  • @thandishabangu2312
    @thandishabangu2312 Рік тому

    Ernst uwuboni ukuthi isikhathi sifikile ukuthi nibophe imthwalo yenu nibuyisele izinqazenu lazavela khona Ernst lelizwe akulona elenu

  • @marblemaselo2540
    @marblemaselo2540 Рік тому +1

    Until you return land to the rightful owners will stop singing the struggle songs

  • @MeekM-jd7hw
    @MeekM-jd7hw Рік тому +3

    Rich people are crazy imagine fighting for song.

  • @Eddy.user-pq5fg2bf7s
    @Eddy.user-pq5fg2bf7s Рік тому +2

    I love that man in the studio

  • @gerhardbotha161
    @gerhardbotha161 Рік тому

    There is no hope for this country.

    • @aftonspeaks8313
      @aftonspeaks8313 Рік тому

      Why don't you have hope? You must NEVER lose hope. Don't be racist. Just be good and do good

    • @andrewlinesjah4538
      @andrewlinesjah4538 Рік тому

      tribalist communism is lucifer

  • @TheTalkingSaffa
    @TheTalkingSaffa Рік тому +2

    This is a classic example of " when the shoe is on the other foot". I feel this is a nonsensical debate, it's insulting to everyone because really now, do we need to sing song in order for us to act. It's like saying " the reason why the ANC is still in power is because they play Sarafina every June sixteen and play apartheid documentaries every freedom day?". Come on man.
    Need I remind you, since referencing hitler and the Jews and how they Jews were compared to animals and songs and legislature making it legal to kill them. News flash wasn't that the blueprint of the apartheid regime".
    Are they that afraid of their forefathers actions coming back to haunt them?

    • @Tinker8531
      @Tinker8531 Рік тому

      They should sing 'Verwoed was reg.'

    • @TheTalkingSaffa
      @TheTalkingSaffa Рік тому

      @@Tinker8531 I couldn't care less! because I know, they really really miss the good old days!

  • @joeyamukongo3066
    @joeyamukongo3066 Рік тому +1

    Ernest is too comfortable I wish he woke up in the middle of Soweto one day just to taste that life

    • @user-jr2ue9nu6y
      @user-jr2ue9nu6y Рік тому

      Its too dark and dirty for white people. They not into that taste

  • @christinevandermerwe5660
    @christinevandermerwe5660 Рік тому +2

    But the repercussions resulting from this biased incorrect ruling are going to be endless!!!!

    • @machibamaime4095
      @machibamaime4095 Рік тому +6

      The ruling did not go in your favor that's why you are saying so.

    • @blackkonnexion
      @blackkonnexion Рік тому

      Van Der Kunt. Tsek!

    • @LeratoM98
      @LeratoM98 Рік тому

      What repercussions?

    • @ZomziWeAfrika
      @ZomziWeAfrika Рік тому

      Is that a threat ? If I were you I would leave have some self respect.

    • @thetad1242
      @thetad1242 Рік тому

      Blame afriforum for that

  • @yolilemome5518
    @yolilemome5518 Рік тому +4

    How many people they kill to our people but them they try to the song us we are still living with our lost of our people afriforam is not gonna tell us how we can try because this song they no that when we sing this song's we calling our personal gods

  • @lungamasuku6872
    @lungamasuku6872 Рік тому +4

    When the Struggle is over!!!!,we will stop singing Struggle songs!!!✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

    • @ZomziWeAfrika
      @ZomziWeAfrika Рік тому +3

      It will never be over that’s why we should unite like how they do against us

  • @gerriedoll154
    @gerriedoll154 Рік тому +2

    Who strugel ??? There was food , schools, hospitals, houses who strugel and look whatcis happend know this is stugel.

  • @mr.siqinisekombatha8428
    @mr.siqinisekombatha8428 Рік тому +1

    I AfriForum ayiyiyeke lento yayo ngoba ingahle ibalimaze. Izilonda azikapholi zisabhubha namanje

  • @johndouglas1107
    @johndouglas1107 Рік тому +1

    The only way to change this discourse is throw the song straight back at them that being for whites to start singing “Kill the K” would that also be democratically acceptable..

  • @nomondedondolo4578
    @nomondedondolo4578 Рік тому +1

    we will continue to shoot

  • @ntwenhlemahaye8463
    @ntwenhlemahaye8463 Рік тому

    This Afriforam😂

  • @yolilemome5518
    @yolilemome5518 Рік тому +4

    You want to caunt the farmers that are killed in 20 years but our people are killed in numbers same day same time and who was say the farmers are not killing each other because the are in business of stilling

  • @selloc7433
    @selloc7433 Рік тому +2

    I’m confused mr presenter why you had Azapo represented and not the eff -
    My view is that it Wouid have provided better insight
    Thank you for mr Trevor Ngwane who has the bigger pic in mind to heal our country

  • @chrissima2650
    @chrissima2650 Рік тому

    Analysis paralysis, excuses and bull shit. History is history, bad is bad, wrong. Is wrong.. Sing motivational. Positive truggle songs... All good, but. Using Words.directlt or infering harm can never be good. It's that simple.

  • @nomasangonama3206
    @nomasangonama3206 Рік тому +3

    Viva AZAPO!

  • @sandisonjova8053
    @sandisonjova8053 Рік тому +16

    I think us as Africans we should be very serious about taking back what it belongs to us. If we don't the Afriforum will always behave like this.

    • @Tinker8531
      @Tinker8531 Рік тому

      what belongs to immigrants from central africa.

    • @thamsanqanomayela1161
      @thamsanqanomayela1161 Рік тому

      We are deali darling with this land matter.

    • @francoisvanaardt1721
      @francoisvanaardt1721 Рік тому

      They behave like this because you sing murder songs and kill our poeple and then say its struggle songs as if that is some kind of golden shield nobody can touch, nowhere in this world would that be accepted but here.....

    • @francoisvanaardt1721
      @francoisvanaardt1721 Рік тому

      @OrthoBro so we are supposed to integrate but you keep singing songs about killing us and you can't see anything wrong?

    • @francoisvanaardt1721
      @francoisvanaardt1721 Рік тому

      @OrthoBro I would be fine with that if only it went both ways, now you ban us from singing our anthem embedded in our culture, our flag and you've banned the k word, not that I want to use it but if you support free speech that should also not be banned
      The anger is with the scewed justice system in a country where we try to fix the wrongs of the past not just switch the sides right?

  • @zim1zten275
    @zim1zten275 Рік тому +2

    The man Moses in the studio is talking sense

  • @TlhakisiM
    @TlhakisiM Рік тому +3

    Roets must go to his handler donald trump and cry foul👊🔥🤣🤣🤣

  • @blackkonnexion
    @blackkonnexion Рік тому +2

    *What goes around comes around Ytes!*

  • @AndrewMcFarlane_1
    @AndrewMcFarlane_1 Рік тому +3

    The black guests embarrassing blacks.

    • @thoughtist101
      @thoughtist101 Рік тому +4

      How?

    • @top-gnews8333
      @top-gnews8333 Рік тому +2

      He's not a south African by birth he from Zimbabwe

    • @ZomziWeAfrika
      @ZomziWeAfrika Рік тому

      No he is not you are lying . You don’t know anything about us . We are a different breed we don’t conform to white supremacy

    • @ZomziWeAfrika
      @ZomziWeAfrika Рік тому +3

      @@top-gnews8333 It doesn’t matter he is still black and white always protect white regardless where they come from

    • @ZomziWeAfrika
      @ZomziWeAfrika Рік тому

      @@thoughtist101 He is trying to gas light us

  • @zim1zten275
    @zim1zten275 Рік тому

    Remove that black man with glasses is a bettrayer