Tool Holder Essentials - Every Machinist Needs to Watch This - Haas Automation Tip of the Day
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- This is the one you've been waiting for! The longest and most in-depth TOD yet! If you've had questions about tool holders for your mill and you're wondering which one suits you're application the best, this Tip of the Day is the next video you should watch.
Mark breaks it all down as only he can. So, pull up a chair, grab a bag of popcorn, and prepare to dig down deep.
Mark mentions two other videos while talking tool holders. Here are the links to those videos:
ER Collet Essentials
• ER Collet Essentials. ...
Avoid Chatter On Your Mill
• Avoid Chatter on Your ...
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I hope people give them the credit they deserve for making these informational videos. They are so damn valuable. Not just for beginners but for anybody that is in the machining world.
I'm a first year Tool and Die apprentice and have found a ton of great content on UA-cam but HAAS goes above and beyond giving incredibly useful information that everyone in the business should know.
I'm not sure why I find these so interesting but its great to understand the challenges and tradeoffs behind how things are actually made.
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@@machinagician5953 thats your opinion?
Hey haw are yo ,,?
All I want for Christmas is an autographed picture of Mark Terryberry to hang on my tool box.
you are not the only one queue up
I’m not sure I want that one.
Idk why anyone would ever want that
This video is essential viewing to any machinist. In fact this whole series of videos is. But this one especially.
Wanna bet...? I'm a Distributor who sells tool holders from PARLEC and Techniks. When I strongly recommended that a customers Machinists all watch this video... I was told "All our guys already know all that stuff" I knew the customer well enough to LAUGH OUT LOUD and say: NO... They DON'T.
I have seen your Guys to stupid shit with the toolholers and Collets for years.
Toolholders and Collets do NOT last forever. They wear and need to be replaced with new tools. You have many that need to be replaced right now and I can prove it..! But, in my business, the customer is always right. Even when they're not.
Ha! How many stopped to read the disclaimer lol. However I am going to try and bake those.
no not really this is just another machinist expressing anecdotes
haas is not kennametal et al to make dogmatic decisions about what's right or not
@@derick3482 dogmatic? He never said "this is THE way..."
Every tool cuts better and more accurate with zero runout.
This is how you build up credibility. High level content, high level videos. Bravo, the whole team doing great, believe me, it's worth it. Really, really professional work. Congrats for the whole team!
I know, right? I started binge watching these. They are the highest quality CNC content I have seen on UA-cam. That’s how you run a business.
Woha somebody invested in the animation department ;P
Our video and animation people are incredible! Frank Zaragoza did all the heavy lifting on this video. A lot of times we can convey more information through a graphic than ten minutes of me talking. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
@@haasautomation Actually could do without the fluff. 8 minutes of information spread out over 30 minutes of fluff.
Its abit of an over kill
Well if you buy say two million dollars of machines from them they allow you to put your company logo on side of race car they sponsor...ahh it's about size of business card...no one sees it
@@miguelcastaneda7236 hah what a blast of the past, was it two years already? lets keep machining guys! its only what keeps this life interesting!
As a College student with 2 Haas Mini Mills at his disposal, thank you Haas (Mark you are my hero!) for this content. It’s amazing how much there is to learn about this field and while I’m doing my absolute best to master it all before I graduate, the reinforcement of these videos is a tremendous help.
This is what sells machines.
HaloGamer401 - Perfect! We are glad to hear these are useful. If, in your studies, you run across a topic that you think really deserves its own video, let us know at tod@haascnc.com. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Best legal disclaimer ever! Thanks Haas!
We especialy use shrink fit chucks from Haimer for our milling operations, but with all the trochoidal milling strategies, I often switch to milling chucks. The high force chucks are much chunkier so they can absorb more vibrations and I can nearly double my tool life.
We don't use drill chucks at all, we use the ER32 System for all "normal" drilling operations. The ER is also good for PH HORN slotting tools and Iscar Multimaster tools for example.
We use the hydraulic chucks especially for drilling with solid carbide and PH HORN gun drills. It's much easier because of the internal coolant, so you don't have to use a sealed ER collet and also better absorbtion than the shrink fit chucks.
As usual a great video from you guys. I often use the Tip of the Day videos for our apprentices because it's very good contant for begginers AND pros. Keep going, great job and geetings from Germany ✌
Marcel - It sounds like you have a terrific system for toolholders, using the right holders for the application. Thanks for posting. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
How do you like the Iscar multimaster tooling? We have been using the system for a while now with mixed results. Using Er style holders similar to your setup probably
@@yoimalex we use the Multimaster toolsystem for chamfering operations were we need that extra bit of length to get to the contour, especially in combination with five axis vises. We also use the ballnose inserts and the inserts for outer radius milling. I realy like the tool length, just imagine you would use a five axis vise for clamping and than you use a big bulky chuck with some short tools. There is where the multimaster makes money. And on top of that comes the simple tip change and the big variety of inserts.
I wish these videos were available back when I was still in the manufacturing field. Great info.
Jason - Great comment. This is partly how we decide on topics. We look back at the mistakes we’ve made and say “man, had I only known….”, and then we make a video on it. If you have a topic for us, email to tod@haascnc.com. Thanks for the post. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Probably the best "Tip of the day" Hass video. I will share this one whit all my coworkers. Thanks to Hass for all this tips and explanations.
Thanks Denis - Haas has really made it a priority to get as much info as we can out to our customers. Every time we learn something we become more valuable. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Mark, you may not have long hair or wear spandex (probably), but you are the rock star of the machining world. I am sure that's why all the screaming women throw themselves at you.. :-)
Such a brilliant teacher...EVERY single time I learn SO much!
And an attaboy to your film, graphics and editing crew.
Thank you so much for the great info man, and I loved the hydraulic tool holder the most! The idea behind it was amazing
Once you start watching these videos there is no return....Thanks for sharing
here's a new one...try using a 3/8" endmill inside a weldon holder with a 1/2" bore...then after breaking 3 endmills and ruining a couple workpieces, we eventually figured it out. But he still asked "well how was I supposed to know???"
someone at my workplace once mounted a 5/16th(around 7.9mm) tool in a 8mm sleeve in a hydraulic chuck... didn't ended well...
I wonder how chinese carbide would fare in a hydraulic chuck, they are sort of precise but the not necessary any exact size but often down several hundreds of millimeter.
yeah that's a downside with hydraulic holders that wasn't mentioned in the video... they can and do fail sometimes (like anything) and there's also a bit of learning curve for working with them (again like anything I suppose). The powrgrip system was intended to fix that, and it's definitely more reliable.
Fantastic video with very important knowledge and experience being shared. Keep going Mark, you're doing a great job and all of us a big favor by sharing. All the best in 2020
I come from Germany, for 25 years I have created fixtures with 3-axis milling machines from DMG and Kunzmann. I use inexpensive standard Weldon Tool Holder (SK40) with side screw connection and ER Tool Holder because the milling process is below 10,000 rpm and the accuracy is sufficient.
I really like Mark Terryberry's lectures because I refresh my knowledge and learn new things.
Thanks a lot for this...
Great comments Pascal. A standard Weldon Holder is fine, even ideal, for a lot of applications, especially when running at lower rpm. Thanks for posting. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
LOVE this kind of long form educational content. May even require it to new employees as a part of my training process.
I am a machinist teacher and I wanted to tell you guys that you did an awesome job with this video. Good job !
Great info! Learned so much about tooling. A while ago we had issues with roughers in 1" shrink fit holders we've been using for years, pull out. Tool and holder tolerances were on spec and nothing has changed with the tool path or machines. After doing testing and research it turns out that we weren't keeping track of cycles and that these tools have a cycle life suggested by the manufacturers. Having heat cycled them for years, they slightly lost their malleability and grip strength. Maybe those that work in places that cycle their heat shrink holders a lot should keep track of the number of heat cycles each holder has gone through. Just a thought.
Great video. Thanks to Mark and Haas Automation for this kind of education material.👍👍👌👌
+1 for the Emuge tool holders! 40% reduction in my roughing cycles and they played a big part!
This is a resource that I keep coming back to. And, it's well made and enjoyable to watch.
This is such a good video on tool holders. Wish this was out like 25 years ago when I started playing with mills. (Started on large lathes before that). Thanks.
Recently grabbed a hydro chuck for 3/4" em. What a fantastic addition for my Haas Super Mini.
Mark: Extremely informative and well made video.... and you have a great first name!! Now I will proceed to watch more of your videos, since I'm stuck in the house due to the covid-19.
Mark, I smiled towards the end of the video. I've had a VF2 in my garage for a few years (I was told this was the only home garage install in my town at the time). I started exactly as you said. I haven't had the need for hydraulic tool holders yet, but they are on my list. Great video. Thanks.
For me, working with Emco machines is this series very helpfull, and Mark is very instructive and clear in messages.
I’ve been using my colleges mini mill and I don’t know how I could do it without these videos.
Matthew Sonner PREACH BROTHA. MasterCAM is enough to drive me nuts so to have this channel to retreat to for the Mini Mill is a GODSEND. Thanks Haas!
Matthew - We are thrilled that these videos are helping you out. If you come across some confusing topic, shoot us an email to TOD@haascnc.com and maybe we can do a video to make it easier for everyone. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Even though I am not a machinist, I found this extremely fascinating.
I must confess to having lost an endmill out of a drill chuck, because I didn't know any better at the time. Now I know why. Thank's a bunch!
Thank you so much. I did mill with a Jacobs Chuck and glued the Chuck on to stop it falling out, never again. Thanks for all the tips, love you guys.
Fantastic. Thank you for your time doing these videos.
Great works! Very clear explanations! Thank you so much for sharing!!
Cheers
I got into programming 6 years ago and didn't realize how many different holders there are.I didn't know how much run-out some of these holders had.this was a great video mark.....thanks
Great video Mark. Very informative and presented well.
Very nice to heard you, thank for sharing your knowledge
The only thing i can say is awesome, i only know about collet holder before. That blow my mind now.
Absolutely top-notch series . . . sets a high bar for effective instructional videos for trades.
Being able to find good quality stuff in the metal-cutting industry is challenging, these videos are golden.
I "hate" how your video pops out when watching something else and I have to watch yours next 😄 brilliant, Mark 😄
That was a bit over my pay grade but I watched it trough to the end and found it worth my time. Thank you very much.
I bet CNC Machinists would flip out if they saw what us field machinists had to work with lol
Thanks for great information , I had no idea of the different kinds of tool holders, I proubly will not be able to afford them in a home shop. Thanks Ron from minnesota
You provide awesome content. What might take years of experience to figure out what holders to use, you showed us in 30 minutes.
Emuge FPC are really very very nice. I started using them like 5 months ago and I really like them. You can change the tool in no time, you get very good grip and most important - great runout.
Just a home machinist and I have a keyless chuck, great for quick change over of twist drills. Have an ER16 and ER32 collet systems for milling, and after this video will buy some ball bearing caps thanks Mark. I have tried using my keyless chuck while end milling ( due to sheer laziness) was not a good outcome...miles of chatter and the end mill came out of the chuck ....now that was expected !! Thanks for all the tips Mark !
Answer's many questions and tutored me on, to me , new items, ( hydraulic chucks etc. ), my focus is on small diameter, 3/8" or less with high rpm and ipm. Thanks guys, merry christmas.
Yes I did catch all of your awesome disclaimer and because of it, I am intrigued and immediately hit subscribe and a thumbs up.
It's been 40 years since I've done any real precision I learned a lot from this video. Thanks.
Awesome video, just getting into 5 axis CNC machining and this was very useful.
I just started machining at my 1st shop less than a year ago. And was told Hass cnc are the best to learn on... Until I watched your guys vids I truly see how that is a thing.. You guys do an easy to follow fun and exciting video for learning please keep on keeping on
Essential information for every machinist. TQ
Awesome , been waiting for this.
Good presentation.
Best explanation and demo of tool holders I've seen. I've worked in large and small shops for over 50 years, manual lathes and mills, and NC lathes last 25years. Not being a NC mill guy, I've seen some of these but never the physics. I'm retired now, have a home shop, with manual machines. I still smell like "sultex" most of the time. Lol. Thanks for the great video, never too old to learn something new! 👍😎
Really good info!!! I have used all this stuff and he nailed it!!!
Really well done guys. This content is great for any skill level. Some of the best stuff on YT!!!
Instructive and helpful as complete. Thank you!
Very magnificent video. Great job!
Just wanna say that our company engineered a automationmachine for RegoFix. It is used to grind the collets.
Greetings from Switzerland. :)
This has to be one of the very best videos on tool retention that you can tap into.
I'm a golden oldie and in my day we used the Autolock chucks with screwed shank tooling......now very hard to find anywhere.....for ultimate tool retention and runout.
That design is a hard act to follow as it fulfills all the necessary desires of the aforementioned criteria in the video with rotating tools apart from drill chucks where the keyless chuck reigns supreme.
My personal present like is the ER system but with cheap collets it's only as good as the price you pay.
A lot has to do with the class of work you're involved in.
Backyard engineering is the bread basket of the cheap Chinese tool system suppliers.....long may they live etc.
I've often wondered, for the bottom end of the milling cutter users, how a milling cutter with a short Morse taper shank instead of a parallel one would perform as it's practically like a shrink fit system without the heat/cooling aspect for insertion/removal etc.......not practical in the real World as the knock in effect could/would damage the cutter.
For me it's the ER system due to the massive availability of cost effective tooling and if I have a runout problem with a cheap collet(s) it translates to just a bigger cutter diam as it rotates.....what's in a few dozen microns of extra cutter diam anyway.....one pass will give your the cutter size you're working with, so cutter diams become arbitrary anyway if you know what you are working with.
The combination of cheap chucks and cheap collets does leave the choice wide open, but selective testing and grading can cure many evils.
BTW.....I toyed with the idea of having an ER collet and modifying a cutter to have a groove near the top end of the shank to fit a retaining ring so that the cutter would not need humungous tightening force to prevent it from pulling down.......thinking, thinking etc.
Thank you for the information provided.
Very nice and informative video. We've got all types of tool holders you showed in our shop, but we had a vibration issue with deep (10D ) tool and that wouldn't go, the surface quality was terrible and I was searching for a solution. Then we had a 3axis DMG machine. With the Regofix PowrGrip, we eliminated that vibration. We'd also looked at Tribos but that just does not have the grip of RegFix. The system worked so well that our new 5axis DMG with 60 tools is almost completely loaded with RegoFix tool holding. The ER system is used for drills only.
Great presentation. Engaging, clear, and useful.
I burned my muffins - i guess 375 degrees in the recipe wasn't in Celcius.
K B - Yet another reason we should just go ahead and make these videos in Metric ;) This reminds me of the time I was in Parma Italy, and converted pounds to kilograms backwards when ordering. I came home with a suitcase full of Parmesan Cheese. Happy mistake. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
@@haasautomation I'm glad you like italian chees Mark!!! Next time remember to try San Daniele ham!!! Thank you for your videos!!!
@@haasautomation Metric or go back to your cave.
@@gislemark79 Yesterday I found out that the inch - as defined and used in the USA - has been based on the metric system since at least Ford's day. Nutso.
@@railgap prior to defining the inch precisely as 2.54mm it was the length of 3 barleycorn's. As a result all countries using inches had them at different lengths. All.
Thanks Mark for bringing very interesting videos as always
Really am enjoying this series. As I am buying my first mill and lathe. But think I’m going to have bribe my wife to double my budget. Keep up the great work. Excellent info
ER COLLET Milling Holders is still the staple in come of tool holders man, classic!
What a great video of some basic stuff, thank you very much.
Great Job on these videos. I wish there were handouts to help train all the machinist in the shop.
That disclaimer was amazing. The pumpkin spice muffin recipe was a nice touch 😋
Love these videos. Always on point.
Awesomeness. Thank you for putting this video together. Learned a lot from it!
Thanks DarkAero, Inc. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
I love that the Haas Tip of the Day comes around once every oddball 6 months or so :D
there was this one time, this one time some colleg put in the Hydraulic Tool holder into the shrink fit maschine :D
and shrinket it twice cors the tool dident came out ^^
about a month later the next one put a weldon in....
And thanks for the Video! Its a really good one, we have almost all tool holding variants and its nice to refresh the information!
A minor point worth mentioning in an otherwise superb video. Mark says about the 5:00 minute mark that twist drills are straight, but actually jobber length high speed drills taper a couple of thousandths smaller at the shank than the nominal size. He should mention that the shanks are softer as well, that is why they get scarred up when they slip (and distort of someone puts a drill in an end mill holder.)
Your videos are a great source of information, please keep them coming!
I am so glad I found this channel. I have a haas mill table from a super mini mill 2. It’s such a beautiful piece of machinery. I have no idea what to do with it, but is was so damned cheap I couldn’t say no.
One of the the guys in my college classes tried milling with the end mill in a drill chuck. Another one tried side milling with a twist drill. They both dropped out of the program.
They dropped out of school or the tools dropped out of the holders?
@@OakwoodMachineWorks yes.
I used an end mill for side milling on a drill press once
sad to hear about the other guy
@@OakwoodMachineWorksNot to worry, I dropped outta pre school!
We switched to mostly hydraulic tool holders and they are AMAZING. The Schunk holders aren't that expensive and they are amazing. We quadrupled our IPM on every material we machine and the difference in tool life is insane. I used a Guhring RF100 Diver in Schunk holder for making about 30 1018 soft jaw blanks, milled about 8 pairs of those soft jaws, and then ran that same endmill on 300 parts that were also 1018 steel all at 200 IPM + and the endmill still looked brand new. I use a hydraulic holder whenever I possibly can now.
Great video, Mark. Very informative and useful.
Great video !
Tool pulling out of ER collet has happened to me on my cheap CNC ! Now I know why...
Hass, these videos are AWESOME!
Another amazing amount of great content - Thanks Mark!
Thanks Mr. Engg. For this
That's help me to understand slot of things👌👌
Very, very good video, good presentation, technically perfect, covers effectively the subejct keep on the good work
INCREDIBLE Video !! Thank you . . .
Excellent video. I have to admit two things. Never used a milling chuck (probably never will!). Ran an end mill in a Jacobs chuck when I was in a rush. Pulled out immediately - the job took longer.
I love this! I want to work for/with you guys.
Thanks for your presentation.
Excellent presentation
Amazing job thank you guys
So for the home gamer that isn't looking for sub micron precision, ER collets seems to be the go to tool holder. Thanks Mark. :D
One thing you didn't mentioned is the fantastic properties weldons have for dampening or disrupting resonance in cut.
Because of the slightly offset tool this has similar effects of a variable flute and disrupts any possible buildup of resonance aka chatter.
Quite often when tooling manufacturers do side by side
tool comparisons they leave out the weldon, purely because when they include them they offer the same if not better dampening (wrong word technically, resonance disruption?) than holders that cost 10x+ more.
Search it on UA-cam, plenty of good examples. Also modern weldon are offset ground to compensate for the runout that used to be an issue. You still get run out but only within the tolerance of the shank grind.
Great video. A lot of DIY / home shop guys still use R8 collets. It would be nice to see the comparison between R8 and the ER system. Thanks,
Good information, especially for someone like myself to learn about the different systems used in machining. I have discovered that there are a lot of different types of collets depending on what you are holding.
There are tool holder collets like most of the collets in this video. There are work holding collets like the 5C that are designed to hold a work piece instead of a tool. Then the ER collets that will hold both work pieces and tools. What you didn't mention was the R8 collets. Probably the most common collet system on small mills and there are a lot of them out here now.
As I said, good information and I am looking forward to more from the series on the website.
You are spot on Mark. I love my milling chucks and use them often on cat40 as well. I mostly use very short gage length to eliminate chatter. My hydraulic holders are awesome for special applications. Great video!
Brian Smith nice comment. Could’ve skipped the video :). Keep your tools short, and try a hydraulic for a special application. - Mark
Very good presentation! Thanks! 👍
I get more information from you - Mark - than many professors I had met in my life. I will be using much of this information in my thesis when I discuss manufacturing. Your tips made me complete attending machining courses at night while attending grad school in the morning. You and the team behind this are very much appreciated for your efforts.
Meshal - Thanks for the encouragement. Best of luck with your schooling, and your thesis. Send me a copy when you’re done, I’m sure I’ll learn something - always do! - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
اتمنى ان يكون الدرس مترجم الى اللغه العربيه كي نستفيد ونكون كل الشكر والتقدير
shrink fit + blow torch = love :)) cheap alternative to start with, before you can afford the proper device