I was in federal prison with a lot of these cats and these stories are right on point with the things I heard. There was this one Paisa kid that was in my unit and he was mid twenties and he was doing 28 years. He always smiled and laughed so one day I said, “Hey, #$&@&=+ you’re always smiling and laughing, cuttin’ up, and acting like things are just great. You got a long bit. Why you always so happy.” He said, “Mike, I’m happy to be here because the day I hit the street I’m dead.” I didn’t know what to even say to that. Here you got a youngster looking at release in his early 50’s and he feels happy about it. The ways those guys kill isn’t like any other crime group. Some of the stories I heard would make my stomach turn. That’s what they come up in, that’s their normal, and I’m not sure how you fix that. These are good kids but they’ve done unthinkable things. It’s hard to wrap your mind around it. You see a youngster daily and he’s laughing and joking, you pass him on the yard, give a fist bump and an “alright now.” I was locked up with a lot of cats like that. Most of the Paisas I knew that got out are now dead. Almost every one of them. Crazy violent world down there. But then, if you study the history of Mexico, you see how steeped in violence and death the culture always has been. Genetic memory is a legit thing and you can see it and feel it when you spend time around a bunch of paisas or south siders, especially when shit pops off on a prison yard. Good question you had about slowing the violence down. There may not be an answer. That country has been in upheaval and unrest forever. This was a great interview. Well done.
@@Charlimarteliyou know what he means, some people are forced into that life who otherwise are good people just dic certain shit, when i was doing fed time youd see great people, super polite, would literally give you the shirt off their back, your logic, respectfully is silly, its like saying oh this guy is good because hes never done nothing bad, i know many bad people that have never been caught doing something but you can see in their personality that its only matter of time, not defending murders in general but some of the nicest people i met were murderers on the yard, especially the paisas, most killers there were pressured in.. if you were in cartel land, sometimes people join the cartels because theyre scared of them, sad but true, all love homie
@worldisfilledb9334 you did fed time and some of the nicest people you met were murderers?..look my friend I have nothing in common with you, and I don't want to have anything in common with you. You're value system is something you should be ashamed of ...please don't message me again please
A little correction on the genre. You called it mariachi but that's a whole other genre. Narco corrido is the genre that it's properly called. Narco corrido music is more like military style music mixed with polka. Band music basically which is far from mariachi lol and narcocorrido can be played with just a guitar too depending on the region and instruments used from set state/region of Mexico. Really enjoyed this podcast!
Traditional polka and mexican music sounds different nowdays amazing how it influenced mexican music and it just took a whole turn into something really unique. I like it as a spaniard its really beautiful aside from the ridiculous lyrics amd violent nonsense that domt benefit mexican society
Ioans books are well worth it. He's got a serious pair of colhones on him! A modern version of those mad Brits that built an Empire through a sense of adventure and sheer bolllocks. He's a modern Burton, Gordon, Younghusband or Mackenzie.
@shahin5153 lol true let them know reality instead of fantasy. Here in spain in my school were taught our colonial empire was for the benefit of the savage amd we didnt do amything wrong lol glad im not brainwashed amd left that school
Im no liberal but i hate when idiots try to rewrite history or downplay the nasty parts of our history especially us Europeans we temd to get defensive about eveything
Excellent guest! I've seen Ioan in other podcasts and he truly knows Mexico from a perspective that even most Mexicans like myself don't often hear about (I'm talking about minute details on how cartels operate). To add to the discussion, there are two important things that Ioan said that I'd like to emphasize. The first one is that Mexico is a _big_ country, so not everyone is exposed to the horrible crime and violence from cartels--most Mexicans fortunately do not deal with those levels of violence on a daily basis. There are many cities that have violence levels compared to most American cities, for example. The second clarification is that most violence has to do with cartels fighting each other or fighting with the government. Unless we're talking about high-violence cities or towns (where narcos live), people definitely won't start killing each other over a bar fight. I hope this adds more detail into a painful topic that even though the whole world knows about, it's very poorly understood. And especially by Americans, who are closer to this whole mess than they realize. It's a problem that is beyond just Mexico, and needs a bunch of countries to work together to halt this wave of violence and corruption.
I've heard Monterrey is quite dangerous now. Someone I work with was related to the Mayor who was kidnapped and murdered. Naturally she lives in the US now and, as far as I can tell, is quite wealthy.
@kings man Hopefully fucking never. Meth is already legalized, just not in the form meth heads want. You want safe spaces for tweakers? With our entitled society who already doesn't want to work and shit, do you really think legalizing these things is a good idea? In China, at one point, one in three men were addicted to opium. Shit is too strong to just say "HERE YA GO"
So... the chinese pioneered the drug industry in mexico and the states... and it was the british who got china addicted to opium. So it was the british empire who caused the drug epidemic and war in NA? 🤔😂
I actually have been in Phnom Penh for over 2 months and haven't even seen the killing fields, I kinda want to see them now, thanks for the, uh, morbid tourist destination suggestion! lol
It's also dangerous for the bands themselves. When i was in a grave yard there i noticed all the fresh graves in various dates of burial. Like they are constantly burying people. There is a video out there of a guy getting his throat surgically cut and his head held up perfectly so he could slowly drown in his own blood as he bled out. They like to make videos...and make them slightly public
Hey Jordan and team, thank you for producing yet another fantastic episode and for introducing me to Ioan. Will check out part 2 and some of his books. All the Best 👍🏾
@TJHS The UK is civilized in the main. But dont be fooled, every major city in the UK has rough neighbourhoods, London, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, and there is a big problem with knife crime, and there is still some gun violence in cities like Liverpool and Birmingham but it isnt anywhere as bad as in the USA. However if you research into Manchester and Birmingham in the 1990s, both of those cities were dealing with shootings on an almost daily basis, as a result of street gangs from different zip codes and neighbourhoods battling control for the illegal drug trade, and all UK inner cities have very poor and run down neighbourhoods, a lot of inner city Manchester looks similar to South and West Philly with the boarded up row houses, when the gun laws got even strickter and it wasnt even worth being caught with an illegal gun because you would get a mandatory 6 year jail sentence, the gun violencein the UK dropped significantly. I am not comparing the UK with Honduras or El Salvador or certain states in Mexico like Sinaloa, the UK is far, far safer than those places.
My aunt told me a story she’s from Monterrey Mexico. A woman was looking for her daughter for so many years a man goes and says to her make me some tamales I’ll bring you everything (as she did this for a living). When she was done with the tamales the man went and said you just made tamales from your daughters body. She lost it.
Heard a couple of stories similar to that. I live right on the border in a little town called Roma, TX. It’s a crossing point for anything and everything illegal. Both ways. Drugs and people coming up, money and guns coming down. These kind of stories are very common along the border. I can hear the cartels going to war against the mexican government or event rival cartels from the front door of my house. It’s crazy. It’s like a whole other country.
Mexico and Mexicans are unlike any other, no one can relate unless you are Mexican or from Mexico. Mexicans are not idiots out of control, they're very sophisticated and their Intel is at a different level.
I knew a couple who were travelling from US to South America in their van just after COVID started. They were stopped multiple times by Mexican cops and military and they had to pay them off each time else they would get inside the van and ruffle everything in the name of "searching". Then they were stopped by cartel, they did not know they were cartel as they were dressed in camo. When they spoke with them then they realised they were in deep trouble. But to their luck or not sure if cartel were not looking for victims that day, they were let go and were warned not to travel after sunset and if they do best to switch on cabin lights so that they can see inside the van. They found cartel members to be more professional than Mexican cops and they did not take any money from them. On the entire trip of Mexico (6 month trip) they were stopped by cartel 3 times. I think they were lucky and even foolish to try their luck so many times.
What would be really great, if Ioan could talk about how these people are. Jordan says at some point that the heads are more intelligent like the others and therefore cutting them away creates instability. I do think the heads are also primitive apes. In the narco movies and series they are shown as strategists and intelligent. I dont believe this, but would still hear the opinion of somebody who met this people.
you see the chopped up bodies but some of the videos out there are horrific, men and women being chopped up alive, men getting their heads scalped and faces sliced off while still alive, their insides being pulled out, all lsorts
The Stuff WE do South of the Border would blow people's Minds if They Really Knew !!! While working for the Alphabet of Agencies I spent way too much time down South !!!
What a sad sad world we live in!
I was in federal prison with a lot of these cats and these stories are right on point with the things I heard. There was this one Paisa kid that was in my unit and he was mid twenties and he was doing 28 years. He always smiled and laughed so one day I said, “Hey, #$&@&=+ you’re always smiling and laughing, cuttin’ up, and acting like things are just great. You got a long bit. Why you always so happy.”
He said, “Mike, I’m happy to be here because the day I hit the street I’m dead.”
I didn’t know what to even say to that. Here you got a youngster looking at release in his early 50’s and he feels happy about it. The ways those guys kill isn’t like any other crime group. Some of the stories I heard would make my stomach turn. That’s what they come up in, that’s their normal, and I’m not sure how you fix that. These are good kids but they’ve done unthinkable things. It’s hard to wrap your mind around it. You see a youngster daily and he’s laughing and joking, you pass him on the yard, give a fist bump and an “alright now.” I was locked up with a lot of cats like that. Most of the Paisas I knew that got out are now dead. Almost every one of them. Crazy violent world down there. But then, if you study the history of Mexico, you see how steeped in violence and death the culture always has been. Genetic memory is a legit thing and you can see it and feel it when you spend time around a bunch of paisas or south siders, especially when shit pops off on a prison yard. Good question you had about slowing the violence down. There may not be an answer. That country has been in upheaval and unrest forever. This was a great interview. Well done.
They're good kids?
@@Charlimarteliyou know what he means, some people are forced into that life who otherwise are good people just dic certain shit, when i was doing fed time youd see great people, super polite, would literally give you the shirt off their back, your logic, respectfully is silly, its like saying oh this guy is good because hes never done nothing bad, i know many bad people that have never been caught doing something but you can see in their personality that its only matter of time, not defending murders in general but some of the nicest people i met were murderers on the yard, especially the paisas, most killers there were pressured in.. if you were in cartel land, sometimes people join the cartels because theyre scared of them, sad but true, all love homie
@worldisfilledb9334 you did fed time and some of the nicest people you met were murderers?..look my friend I have nothing in common with you, and I don't want to have anything in common with you. You're value system is something you should be ashamed of ...please don't message me again please
As well as having balls of steel, this guy is so good at explaining things so you really feel it. Great interview technique too. Subbed
Great interview I'm glad I caught it so early
A little correction on the genre. You called it mariachi but that's a whole other genre. Narco corrido is the genre that it's properly called. Narco corrido music is more like military style music mixed with polka. Band music basically which is far from mariachi lol and narcocorrido can be played with just a guitar too depending on the region and instruments used from set state/region of Mexico. Really enjoyed this podcast!
thanks -tbh I had no idea about the genres so I appreciate the comment
when will heroin be legalized?
when will cocaine be legalized?
when will meth be legalized?
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Corridos use to not be Narco. That shows how far reaching Narco is
Traditional polka and mexican music sounds different nowdays amazing how it influenced mexican music and it just took a whole turn into something really unique. I like it as a spaniard its really beautiful aside from the ridiculous lyrics amd violent nonsense that domt benefit mexican society
Ioans books are well worth it. He's got a serious pair of colhones on him! A modern version of those mad Brits that built an Empire through a sense of adventure and sheer bolllocks. He's a modern Burton, Gordon, Younghusband or Mackenzie.
Yea exactly, :)
Except Ioan is a good person, he’s not looking to enslave, subjugate and steal from the people of the lands he’s exploring
@shahin5153 lol true let them know reality instead of fantasy. Here in spain in my school were taught our colonial empire was for the benefit of the savage amd we didnt do amything wrong lol glad im not brainwashed amd left that school
Im no liberal but i hate when idiots try to rewrite history or downplay the nasty parts of our history especially us Europeans we temd to get defensive about eveything
@@shahin5153 bore off, petal...
Excellent guest! I've seen Ioan in other podcasts and he truly knows Mexico from a perspective that even most Mexicans like myself don't often hear about (I'm talking about minute details on how cartels operate). To add to the discussion, there are two important things that Ioan said that I'd like to emphasize. The first one is that Mexico is a _big_ country, so not everyone is exposed to the horrible crime and violence from cartels--most Mexicans fortunately do not deal with those levels of violence on a daily basis. There are many cities that have violence levels compared to most American cities, for example. The second clarification is that most violence has to do with cartels fighting each other or fighting with the government. Unless we're talking about high-violence cities or towns (where narcos live), people definitely won't start killing each other over a bar fight. I hope this adds more detail into a painful topic that even though the whole world knows about, it's very poorly understood. And especially by Americans, who are closer to this whole mess than they realize. It's a problem that is beyond just Mexico, and needs a bunch of countries to work together to halt this wave of violence and corruption.
I've heard Monterrey is quite dangerous now. Someone I work with was related to the Mayor who was kidnapped and murdered. Naturally she lives in the US now and, as far as I can tell, is quite wealthy.
Well put hermano
when will heroin be legalized?
when will cocaine be legalized?
when will meth be legalized?
@kings man Hopefully fucking never. Meth is already legalized, just not in the form meth heads want. You want safe spaces for tweakers? With our entitled society who already doesn't want to work and shit, do you really think legalizing these things is a good idea? In China, at one point, one in three men were addicted to opium. Shit is too strong to just say "HERE YA GO"
It is so sad how human life is not valuable to some People! Money is only good for one thing, and that is to buy junk!
@19:33 crazy that he’s talking about Cadereyta, being that my grandmother is from there. And I frequent that town so much.
So... the chinese pioneered the drug industry in mexico and the states... and it was the british who got china addicted to opium. So it was the british empire who caused the drug epidemic and war in NA? 🤔😂
Listen to some jungle music from the 90's I'm pretty sure it's different to the pirate radio your talking about..lol
Another great interview
Big up the Jungle Massive.
I remember him on London pirate radio back in the 90s, if I recall, lots of garage music, house and late Rave.
I actually have been in Phnom Penh for over 2 months and haven't even seen the killing fields, I kinda want to see them now, thanks for the, uh, morbid tourist destination suggestion! lol
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Great show thank you
Interesting guest 🍿
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thanks K! The audio feed has even more than our YT channel :)
when will heroin be legalized?
when will cocaine be legalized?
when will meth be legalized?
I heard the audio version. This guy's a nutter to put himself in harm's way daily
It's also dangerous for the bands themselves. When i was in a grave yard there i noticed all the fresh graves in various dates of burial. Like they are constantly burying people. There is a video out there of a guy getting his throat surgically cut and his head held up perfectly so he could slowly drown in his own blood as he bled out. They like to make videos...and make them slightly public
Hey Jordan and team, thank you for producing yet another fantastic episode and for introducing me to Ioan. Will check out part 2 and some of his books. All the Best 👍🏾
great! please use our website links to buy the books!
@TJHS The UK is civilized in the main. But dont be fooled, every major city in the UK has rough neighbourhoods, London, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, and there is a big problem with knife crime, and there is still some gun violence in cities like Liverpool and Birmingham but it isnt anywhere as bad as in the USA. However if you research into Manchester and Birmingham in the 1990s, both of those cities were dealing with shootings on an almost daily basis, as a result of street gangs from different zip codes and neighbourhoods battling control for the illegal drug trade, and all UK inner cities have very poor and run down neighbourhoods, a lot of inner city Manchester looks similar to South and West Philly with the boarded up row houses, when the gun laws got even strickter and it wasnt even worth being caught with an illegal gun because you would get a mandatory 6 year jail sentence, the gun violencein the UK dropped significantly. I am not comparing the UK with Honduras or El Salvador or certain states in Mexico like Sinaloa, the UK is far, far safer than those places.
My aunt told me a story she’s from Monterrey Mexico. A woman was looking for her daughter for so many years a man goes and says to her make me some tamales I’ll bring you everything (as she did this for a living). When she was done with the tamales the man went and said you just made tamales from your daughters body. She lost it.
Even if true, this is this shows the evil of that life.
Heard a couple of stories similar to that. I live right on the border in a little town called Roma, TX. It’s a crossing point for anything and everything illegal. Both ways. Drugs and people coming up, money and guns coming down. These kind of stories are very common along the border. I can hear the cartels going to war against the mexican government or event rival cartels from the front door of my house. It’s crazy. It’s like a whole other country.
Mexico and Mexicans are unlike any other, no one can relate unless you are Mexican or from Mexico. Mexicans are not idiots out of control, they're very sophisticated and their Intel is at a different level.
Great shows mane , hey pls interview sf’s ricci wynne
0:15 Man was definitely saying Mexico 🇲🇽 is uncivilized 😭😭😭
I knew a couple who were travelling from US to South America in their van just after COVID started. They were stopped multiple times by Mexican cops and military and they had to pay them off each time else they would get inside the van and ruffle everything in the name of "searching". Then they were stopped by cartel, they did not know they were cartel as they were dressed in camo. When they spoke with them then they realised they were in deep trouble. But to their luck or not sure if cartel were not looking for victims that day, they were let go and were warned not to travel after sunset and if they do best to switch on cabin lights so that they can see inside the van. They found cartel members to be more professional than Mexican cops and they did not take any money from them. On the entire trip of Mexico (6 month trip) they were stopped by cartel 3 times. I think they were lucky and even foolish to try their luck so many times.
What would be really great, if Ioan could talk about how these people are.
Jordan says at some point that the heads are more intelligent like the others and therefore cutting them away creates instability.
I do think the heads are also primitive apes. In the narco movies and series they are shown as strategists and intelligent. I dont believe this, but would still hear the opinion of somebody who met this people.
you see the chopped up bodies but some of the videos out there are horrific, men and women being chopped up alive, men getting their heads scalped and faces sliced off while still alive, their insides being pulled out, all lsorts
Don't ever watch the videos, you can never forget them and they rot your soul... literally... report them immediately.
When did Danny Bonaduce develop a British accent?
The Stuff WE do South of the Border would blow people's Minds if They Really Knew !!! While working for the Alphabet of Agencies I spent way too much time down South !!!
Doing this to intimadate people is as old as the bible
So…., is it el mayo or el scarface? I keep getting them confused.
How can you confuse Godfather with Scarface? smh
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Guy looks like a bit like Woody Allen. Content is not the same, though.
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The only way to fix it is widen the "risk reward" gap lower the reward and increase the penalty or risk.
You can also lower the consumption of drugs in the u.s.
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U.S. has screwd up mexico so hard..😢
Not knowing who el mencho is vs el mayo? Ioan is one of the most respected journalists in his field....he shouldn't have to explain it to you
This guy full of sshhhhhh😂
A guy whose every second word is "yeah" calls himself a journalist.
What do you have better than him to contribute as a journalist..?
They write. This differs from the action of speaking.
Rubbish take
What do you expect from him more than that
I understand Hemingway was very laconic.
DECEPTION !!
Explain