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- Is Ellen White misrepresented by others to make the SDA Church look bad? Are people only going to the "village idiot" for information? Does Ellen White function at the same level of scripture within the SDA Church? In this video, we continue our fact-checking of Seventh-Day Adventist Pastor and founder of Amazing Facts, Doug Batchelor (@PastorBatchelor), who claims otherwise.
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Video in Review: • Are Seventh Day Advent...
SOURCES:
Fundamental Belief 18: www.adventist.org/beliefs/
Methods of Bible Study (Article): www.adventist.org/documents/m...
Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G. White: www.adventist.org/official-st...
Ellen G. White 1 + 2: egwwritings.org/read?panels=p...
Ellen G. White 3: egwwritings.org/read?panels=p...
Ellen G. White 4: egwwritings.org/read?panels=p...
Ellen G. White 5: egwwritings.org/read?panels=p...
Ellen G. White 6: egwwritings.org/read?panels=p...
Sabbath School Quarterly: documents.adventistarchives.o...
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Introduction to SDA Church & Ellen White
1:04 - SDA Church's View on Ellen White vs. Bible
9:54 - Ex-Adventists on Ellen White's Authority
10:14 - Analyzing SDA Beliefs with Common Sense
10:18 - Ellen White's Inspiration Compared to the Bible
10:24 - Ellen White as the Infallible Interpreter?
10:28 - Defending Ellen White's Relevance in SDA
10:32 - Engage with Us: Like, Subscribe & Notification Bell
10:38 - Closing
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"Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; profuse are the kisses of an enemy." - Proverbs 27:5-6
Amen
So true. In this age of snowflakes people are so upset by rebuke and correction when we know a wise person will look into it and improve.
Which church you go to now?
@@danr7777 I’m a part of the body of Christ. Specifically a Presbyterian.
@@av801a the Lord’s Day is Sunday. Yes, we meet on the 8th day.
Ellen has been given prophetic authority to correct and instruct adventist doctrine.
Now deceased Ellen's writing are now canonised as no error has been found her books.
Double speak to claim the bible is the final authority.
As no error has been found in her books 😆😂
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
Liar liar sda is a cult you cant claim to be sda an not say your followers of elen g white ,so if i joined satan church an said i don't believe in satan i still worship satan your insane
Even though being a 7th day Adventist, I always had an enigma in regard to Helen White declarations and her common terror narratives Just to mention some: Being an exclusive and elite church and/or organization?, all other churches belong to the devil?; giving back and forth exact dates of the second coming of the Lord? her 2000 visions? an angel joined and traveled together and even to other worlds? . Did not say the apostle John that he fell as death before a Lord's vision as it is written in Revelation 1? How is it possible this funny lady was so strong and holy to resist the Lord's glorious and even walking and vacationing through God's thrones 🤔? The Sunday Law decree with a pending exact date and the coming of the Lord at midnight?, the complexity of Sabbath doctrine?. Consider this: Imagine keeping a 24-hours Sabbath in a frozen or heat wave day in New York, Paris or Tokio without depending on a whole logistics managed by millions of people working for each other. According to the Adventist we cannot work on Saturdays but anybody should not work for us either. I knew ahead that something was going wrong with her strange declarations, but I did not know there was a monster of falsehood. I have left in an astronomical perplexity beyond no comprehension. What I saw and learned left me devastated It takes time to assimilate this vast dilution. How can we rebuild our beliefs and understand all the written prophecies particularly in Revelation?
So, what important things do Adventists believe that are from Ellen White but contradict the Bible?
I don't know any!
Point Made without Much explanation...Genius 👏👏
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Of course you don't
Thats because you tell
NON - SDAS that they should read the writings of Ellen G White while simultaneously 99% of ALL
Seventh day Adventists have NEVER READ ALL of Ellen G Whites writings
The minute a NON - SDA has actually READ some of her writings and has pointed out a contraction in her writings then you just try to improvise and do the Old Regurgitation of Indoctrination of Adventism.......
💯💯💯
Good video, exposing Doug's deceptive and crafty language ..if EGW writing/visions are not authorative in Adventism why is it she is included in their fundamental beliefs and Baptismal vows(vow no 8)
And her prophetic gift is supposed to be the mark of the “remnant church”.
So Answering Adventism, you couldn't find where Doug was lying?
He did. Doug said that SDAs don't believe that Ellen White's works are equal to the Bible, yet this guy just gave official SDA sources that said they were inspired in exactly the same way as the Bible. To declare her an infallible interpreter of Scripture is to elevate her works not simply equal to Scripture, but above it, because it uses her to understand the Bible rather than the Bible to understand her. This is the same thing the Catholic Church teaches about the pope, which ironic since SDAs call the Catholic Church the Antichrist.
@@hotwax9376 HotWax states a falsehood as fact.
@@statutesofthelord How so?
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I love to WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S
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You didn't LISTEN......he just should you where Doug Bachelor is down playing Ellen G Whites writings and telling LIES
THEN he qoutes HER writings and
YOUR OWN 28 Fundamental Belief system.......
I think Doug is one of the most dangerous person in the world!
Did Doug skip the part of the fundamental beliefs that says that EGWs writings are a CONTINUING SOURCE of "truth" that guides the church?
They’ve updated them since they were worded that way. Not that their actual beliefs have changed. They just updated the wording to be less obvious.
@@answeringadventism That's even worse for them because now they have to explain why it was there in the first place. They're a mess!
Yes, conveniently
ekwk, it seems you don't have any evidence to support the title of this video either.
@@rayray4192 Ray, your comment does nothing to support the title of this video. It seems like you are just striking about blindly hoping somehow that you can defeat the Truth.
What are you trying to prove here? I'm a bit confused
Are you purposely ignoring the first minute of the video?
She's talking about the Holy Spirit and Not herself like it was said before the Holy Spirit works through whom he chooses
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
BIBLICAL GOSPEL
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
What’s the point?
Ellen-G White was a false teacher A false Prophet and a Heretic -
"Rather than replacing the Bible they uplift the normative character of scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it DERIVED FROM traditions, human reason, personal experience and modern culture."".... Now read her writing and see if they do this.
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He QUOTED her writings already
Wow,it's a cult
CINNAMON HACK so far from the holy spirit that it is scarry. By watching his channel I come to the conclusion that he is being used by evil forces.
He says his dad was an SDA preacher I can imagine how his dad feels. Daf i feel your pain.
Just a question. I'm curious. You belong to a church and someone prophesied. You believe he/she was truly inspired from God. How would you describe their place and what
it is inspired to him/her in your church belifefs?
Proverbs 27:5
“Open rebuke is better than secret love.” (KJV)
Why just left her out, just go to the Bible and without even look at EWhite writing. Can we do that?
My parents are still convinced that the church is the only church follows the bible 😔
But they (and especially me) haven't been keeping up with the chruch standards or disciplines.
"The church standards or disciplines"? What are their rules? I'd find another church if it was me. Our only standards are the standard found in the Bible and if you have a problem with those...you have a problem.
@@williamstroud1455 yes "I" is the problem 😔 and the "I" get messed up thinking knowing best or what it wants or can't help it's self but then the the need of the Holy Spirit help to surrender to the right Spirit and love of God. So we can truly choose and love and obey God. The help of Holy Spirit and bring us to Christ and covered by Christ deliverance and removing the wrong spirits receive the Holy Spirit and the help having real faith in Christ. And the goals with true loving merciful forgiving healing God almighty that wants to save all and have good relationship with God.
We all still got problems with issues and sins. 😔 Why we still always need Jesus.
Yes I got a lot of issues with me and on my mind... And I got a problem with myself God and others and everything realating to life and our sins and with everything that I keep falling back into or away... I got the problem trying to avoid things but then getting caught up in other troubles and also becoming the one I shouldn't be complaining and whining about life or like an evil spirit or narcissistic 😔
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YOUR standard is to be LOCKED in your technology ALL day on SATURDAY'S and WORKING your technology ALL day on SATURDAY'S posting more on SATURDAY'S than ANY other day of the WEEK on as many SDA channels as possible dealing with Adventism while simultaneously mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING/ PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1- 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
The very last service I attended was about 3 years ago. I was invited by a friend to sing special music. So I took advantage to make note of EGW vs. Scripture. During the sermon there was 6 EGW quotes to 1 from scripture! It let me know I was doing the right thing
Perhaps you should have told them your thoughts. Someone asked Sister White if she was a prophet. Her answer was "No!". Does that help? Every denomination has extremists in it.
@@denniskean183 that is false she never said she was not a prophet. What she did say was, that she was a messenger of the Lord and that her work, until the more than that of a prophet. You need to be more accurate.
January 2020 for me.
@@beatricepineda5923 Are you aware that being a messenger is worse than being a prophet.
I was a 4th generation SDA. My grandfather was a well known "evangelist", and my dad a prominent pastor. Naturally I was immersed in Sabbath School before I could walk, and attended SDA primary and high schools. I became aware of the plaigarisim allegations of EGW in the 1980s, but was too brainwashed to check it out. It was only when I got connected to the internet in 1998 that I was able to research this. There was a lot that bothered me. They make out that one can only be saved by keeping Sabbath. And for every one quote from scripture there were 8 quotes from Ellen. Thank the Lord He opened my eyes to the false doctrines of Ellen G Witch! I'm 70 now, and still walking the right way with faith in Jesus and His Grace.
Doug Spatula, caking it on yet again....
***ADVENTISTS LISTEN UP***** As you read this, keep in mind that Ellen G. White says "an Angel" told her this *regarding the doctrine eternal punishment!* Quote: "Said the angel, Life is life, whether it is in pain or happiness". *"DEATH IS WITHOUT PAIN, without joy, without hatred."* (Volume 1 Chapter 19 Spiritual Gifts volume 1, chapter 19
*Ellen G. White is in total CONTRADICTION to the very words of Christ in Matthew 13:42 *“And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there SHALL be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”*
1. Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be *weeping and gnashing of teeth.*
2. Matthew 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: *there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.*
Matthew 13:50
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: *there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.*
Matthew 22:13
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and *cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.*
Matthew 24:51
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: *there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.*
3. *REPEATEDLY ELLEN G WHITE CALLS THE WORDS OF CHRIST "SATAN" IN CHAPTER 19.
*Only Satan Himself would bring such a denial of the reality of pain and suffering to the sinner as to mock Christ's explicit warning!* Whom the Adventist's then Call Christ Himself and refer to as "Satan" , "A TYRANT" and a "monster worse than Hitler" . The Adventist have a conscience seared with a red hot iron!
Hell is described as a place of intense suffering and despair, where the reality of eternal separation from God manifests as physical and emotional torment. *The imagery of wailing and gnashing of teeth conveys the deep regret and anguish experienced by those therein.*
Mark 9:43-44“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that NEVER shall be quenched: *Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”*
Jesus teaches the seriousness of avoiding sin, even to the point of taking drastic measures, as Hell is a place of unquenchable fire where torment is eternal. *The reference to an undying worm and unquenchable fire stresses the continuous and relentless nature of punishment in Hell.*
Remember everyone is going to be judged on the things you say and do . Plus if the love of God is in you .
But no matter how good the things you say and do are, they will never be enough to save you. Only faith in Christ can do that.
I don't get in she so many times wrote in her writings that The Bible comes 1st have you ever noticed that her riding is always somehow keep fitting in between the lines of The Bible ?
I pray that one day when the evil one is done using you, you will then be used by God.
There is no way that a men of God can live to do what you do. Even Christ was not like you. God bless you.
Just consider their view of the 2300 day prophecy. It's her word over the clear biblical explanation
"Inspired guide to the meaning of the texts" = euphemism for "interpretation"
I feel compelled to comment. But I'd be here for ever , I make it plain : this Church was planted by the enemy and has captured a lot of trusting souls as other churches have . I'm convinced , there are people in the leadership that serve the devil and deceive knowingly. I also know there are a lot of good people in there that just can't see the forest for the trees and do Love Jesus . We need to pray for these people . The Lord knows His sheep . I understand when you are in there you are trapped . But if you start using common sense your eyes will open . The Lord wants us to know Him . Start reading His word only , and when you get it you will leave !
Well the Sabbath day is Saturday. But to claim that worshiping on Sunday is like taking the mark is laughable. Plus their views on hell are a bit silly
Raised as 3rd generation adventist. My father was an SDA minister and chaplain. I attended Loma Linda and Spring Valley academies. When in my teen years, I finally learned what Adventism actually teaches ( having finally read Ellen White ) , my jaw was on the floor! I am now a Lutheran Christian for the last 25 years.
Excellent! Thanks for sharing. I greatly appreciate the Lutheran tradition.
The Lord be with you.
The inspiration interprating the scripture is also in the bible.
In the new testament, Jesus explained what we can do and not do on sabbath day. In the book of hebrews, there is a lot of explanations of the sanctuary and the role of Christ.
On those two examples, the jews disagree with us, and on more interpretations because they do not consider the new testament as inspired but we do. I'm not saying believing in Ellen White is as believing in the new testament but I just want to illustrate how prophecies (from Ellen white or whoever may be) can be used to interprate scriptures more accurately some times.
Maybe we are wrong by believing Ellen white inspired by God but I think this is the same process we SDA are genuinely in.
Hebrews 9 is a great problem for Adventists it puts Jesus in the most holy place in ad31 not 1844 as the Adventists say. Most of the scholars in Adventism agree .
@@barryford1482 Abolutely not. It' not a problem for adventism, and most scholars in adventism don't agree on this, that's a false claim. The problem is the translation. There is only one verse where we know for sure that "most holy place" is the right traduction, that is the verse 9:3. The greek words are "hagia hagion". Everywhere else, theses words are never used again. So translators choose to translate the word "hagion" which means "sanctuary" or " holy place" or "most holy place" or "holiest" depending the contexte and theirs beliefs...
@@elroyroy7325 In the 1950s before the book Questions on doctrine was printed Martin a baptist met with leaders of the SDA church including the president Leroy Froom , Unru and others and the Adventists when questioned agreed with Martin Jesus went into the Most Holy Place in ad 31the context of the passage proves it . The first apartment represents the jewish system and the Jewish day of atonement represents the Christian era
Why do they have any writings of her?
I love that proverb about open rebuke ... now if you do it in the right spirit you may well have made some good reasons worth listening to. Recently listened to how the churches in Germany under Hitler's government pressure lost their freedom to preach truth and love. Something to give some thought to.
And let me ask you something can you use The Bible And let me ask you something can you use The Bible to disprove anything that sees prophecy About or written in writings ???
Great video and backed up with official Adventist literature. I cannot agree more, celebrity Adventists like Batchelor, Veith, Finley, etc. all know everything in this video of yours and then present the opposite.
No question. Doug has been making this claim for decades at this point. It’s clearly to cause Christian’s to think SDAism is no different than orthodox Christianity.
@@answeringadventism Make sure you have good screen grabs for reference. I would not be surprised if they quietly make changes and tone down EGW to appear more evangelical.
@@AcademyApologia they’ve subtly done this over the last 40 years in various areas. I have all the receipts, though. 😉
@@protestant77 families & society should unite in Sunday worship & rest. Christians have been doing it since the 1st century.
You have been hurt, likely Judged because of a lifestyle issue you were unwilling to let go of.
The tattoos on your right forearm contrary to clear scripture say most of what those with spiritual meekness and understanding need to know. You slyly slipped in the "we former Adventists" in there and that let the cat out of the bag for most.
There are many fallible Adventist preachers as there are preachers in Christianity - but to call Doug batchelor and liar for suggesting that in essence that there is divine harmony but difference between the writings of Ellen White and the Holy scriptures - betrays the fact that you are blinded by a mild Vendetta and have elected yourself to be a man on a mission of distraction from the truth you likely still hold dear but feel judged by. Drop the channel, seek God's guidance and help first. The hour clock is almost gone beloved. You know better
Why would the people put So much emphasis on solo scriptora and then turn around in the same definition And express that and you somehow take It As them violating it
I am so sorry, I don't see nor hear anything good to this Brother, nor we can't see Jesus's character on this beloved Brother of his clip video" ( Answering Adventism). I don't see him what 1 John 4:16 says,
" God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." My Presbyterian Brother and Ex SDA. Love one another and don't help this Brother, who are so full of hostilities and resentments against over SDA Church, Pastor Bachelor and Ellen G. White. Please be like Christ. Not conformed of his hostilities be open minded and read, what Gamaliel said in Acts 5: 34-39. Be careful what you are saying our Dear Brother of Answering Adventism", our prayers is to see him in heaven and take time reading yourself God's scriptures, if it's RIGHT or JUST, to attack nor criticize other denomination? Please ponder what Apostle Paul says in Philippians 4:8, NIV: Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."
Oh really I didn't hear any lies I go to The Seventh-Day Adventist Church and I have never read any of Ellen White's books
Good to know you’re the new official teachings of the SDA Church, Kay. Also good to know you think the official SDA sources that we looked at in this video are wrong. Praise God!
@@answeringadventism don't be a smart alec buddy nobody ever said anything about me being the teacher of the seventh-day Adventist Church.
@@kayhughes4044 apparently you are because you’re asserting your own experience as the standard.
This video went to official SDA teaching and sources. It’s irrelevant what you personally think. The official position of your church is that the writings of EGW are the infallible interpreter of scripture. That EGWs writings are as authoritative of scripture. Doug said this isn’t the official position of the SDA Church. That’s a lie.
He is clarifying that he don't put Allen white in the same pedestal n I hv watch Dough Bachelor teachings for years n I love his teaching evn though I'm not SDA n I hv not seen not evn once that he put her in that position except a quote here or there like all preachers do.This guy is looking for views with a Title of the video like this which is lies.Dough had brought many souls to christ n wat do you do again...feeling a strong sense of jealousy here.
@@kitwarjri7086 you tell me how based on my comment I seem to be jealous I sense a little hatred coming from you.
Pray for me
Sir, your audio voice line need to be raised cus it's pretty low...thanks for sharing though
If you actually read along with The Bible and her rottings with this video you'll find that this guy tries to argues semantics stating that it means this and somehow conly an unstudied person would quickly be swayed by such little persuasion
I would have more respect for the SDA leadership if they would quit trying to dance around and claim they are Sola Scriptura and admit that they believe Ellen White writings are equal in authority. Trying so hard to pretend they are descendants of Reformation. At least the Catholic Church readily admits they use scripture and tradition and are not Sola Scriptura. You may not agree with many of their teachings, but they don’t try to hide where they get the authority for their teachings
Exactly. They need to stop with the semantics and word games. Just be honest and own it. But they do this because they think they’re missionaries to Christian’s and need to appear like evangelicals.
@@answeringadventism Agree !
Perhaps we should not look at the leaders as if they were gods. Extremists are everywhere. That is a pandemic in Christianity. I ignore the SDA hierarchy and focus on the Bible alone. The quotations of God in the Scriptures are all that matters.
But my friend herself wrote several times that she is a minor light given by God to make His people return to the Bible! How can we not defend Sola Scriptura? And no her writings are not canonic but yes inspired. We have examples in the Bible of prophets who were inspired but were left out of the canon. Her life work was a call to go back to Bible roots as she herself came from an old line of traditional Protestant families, namely a Methodist family. I read some of her books and you know where it makes me go in the end: to the Bible and Christ!
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He just quoted Ellen G White from
Letter 90 , 1906 that HER writings are ( BARRICADED ) by a Thus saith the Lord as inediblely as the LAW of God written by his finger upon the tables of stone
I guess you just want to GLOSS over that .....and IGNORE the very writings that you tell NON - SDAS to read
Now if there is a conflict between Ellen G. White's teachings and the Bible teachings and can understand that there would be a problem. If her teaching are use to make a point like all other Christian ministers do with their non-biblical sources. I don't see a problem.
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#1
LDS : Joseph Smith puts ALL his Mormon followers on MASONIC Probation Eternal life
( DC 29 : 43 )
Do you not find a problem with that
SAME AS.........
SDA : Ellen G White puts YOU and ALL her Seventh day Adventist followers on MASONIC Probation Eternal life
( 1T 199 year of 1859 )
#2
You don't have a problem with
Ellen G White PLAGIARIZING the idea of MASONIC Probation Eternal life from her contemporary
Joseph Smith and then puts YOU on it..........?
Using the Bible ONLY
Using the Bible FIRST
As Adventists claim to do
WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611, or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do we find the terms
A ) Probation
B ) MASONIC Probation
C ) Probation Eternal life
D ) Investigative Judgment
( Chapter and verse please )
If you don't mind
Thank you in advance
It seems like they replace the Holy Spirit's job with E.G.W. writings. BIG MISTAKE.
Can’t the Holy Spirit inspire God’s prophets is that what you’re saying?
@@andrepacheco7726 All real Christians potentially have the gift of prophecy. "Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy." (1 Corinthians 14:1) Don't substitute E.G.W. writings for the real thing. It's also not a good idea to trust someone who had no understanding of the New Covenant, who mixed law and grace like E.G.W. did. Prophets don't make huge errors like that. God raised up countless saints over the years and none of them shared E.G.W.'s theology of mixing law and grace, that is huge red flag.
Every true prophet speaks/writes with inspiration and prophetic authority from God. There's no such thing as less inspiration or less authority. It's either EGW was inspired or she wasn't. It's either she spoke & wrote with prophetic authority from God or she didn't. There's no two ways about it. Accepting her writings doesn't in any way violate the principal of sola scriptura because it's the bible itself that mentions that God would speak through prophets. We wouldn't even be having this conversation about EGW if prophecy wasn't a biblical teaching. The fact that the Israelites already had the scriptures which pointed to the coming of Jesus didn't stop God from sending John the Baptist to direct the minds of the people to the coming Savior.
It then becomes our duty to prayerfully look into the ministry of EGW to ascertain whether or not she was sent by God. Our views will differ depending on our experiences but if EGW was truly sent by God, then it would be a very big mistake for anyone to reject her counsels.
And this is why you guys don’t understand sola scriptura and have given it your own definition. More double speak.
You guys have two sources of authority. Stop saying you affirm sola scriptura. This was precisely my point. You guys believe both are equally as inspired (although your idea of inspiration is incorrect, too), you believe the Spirit of God authored both scripture and her writings. This isn’t merely the New Testament spiritual gift of prophecy.
No, Ellen wasn’t truly sent by God. Zero chance. Ellen taught a false Christ and a false gospel. No percent chance her counsel is from God. And Deuteronomy 18 says when false prophets like her arise and they’re shown to be false (speaking falsely on Gods behalf) to not fear anything they say.
FM44
You are side stepping all of my comments.
You say that we should prayerfully seek Gods wisdom.
You side step Gods Word-not my words Gods Word.
Ellen White clearly failed the Biblical test of a prophet.
She definitely said things would come to pass that did not.
How come you haven’t investigated this?!
Hebrews 1:1-2
“God Who at various times and in various ways spoke in times PAST to the fathers by the PROPHETS, has in THESE LAST DAYS spoken to US BY HIS SON…”
You must ignore this to be an Adventist.
2 Peter 1:20
“Knowing this first that NO PROPHECY of Scripture is of any private interpretation.”
You must ignore this.
I was a Deacon in the Adventist cult.
I know I was there.
It’s incredible to see and hear the consciences being seared with a hot iron.
I was literally told when I had ANY question about scripture.
“See what spirit of prophecy” says about that.
I said ok let’s define what or Who the Spirit of Prophecy is-at the end of the study we all agreed it’s The Holy Spirit…they all were sort of baffled at the end..we did it over two days and it was thourough.
I have my certificate of Baptism in front of me.
Let’s see what it says-are you glossed over FM like are you even there or are you seriously that far gone? I pray you are still with me.
Am I doing this to “be right” or am I doing this because I care? What do you believe?
In # 18 we see that THE GIFT OF PROPHECY is manifested in Ellen White.
In # 19 we see that SDA pull us back under THE LAW OF GOD.
In # 20 THE SABBATH is a symbol of our redemption in Jesus Christ (wow that’s absolutely blasphemous when I type this out..like its about a day instead of atonement on that cross..what our Saviour did for us…what our Father did for US)
In # 24 Christs ministry in the Heavenly sanctuary 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Ding ding ding 🛎 folks we got the investigative judgment come right up come right up and see!!!
I’ll never forget my time in that church.
God brought me there for a reason.
The reason was to teach me discernment 100%.
I was tight with an elder..AT FIRST.
Until he saw that I wasn’t going to be controlled and manipulated.
I was completely transformed by Gods Living Word-I was given a new heart.
Right out of the gate I said “I will never subscribe to Ellen White”.
I knew that God said to stay away.
It was clear the more I studied the more I saw that this was an unbiblical church with a false prophet and run by false teachers.
I began to witness and people saw the person I was when I arrived and what God did to me.
When they finally baptized me that was a long time coming.
I said I am not being baptized into a denomination but I’m being baptized into Jesus Christ into His body of believers.
It’s a smaller church so I was given a voice by God I do believe.
As time went on they knew where I stood-I was Deaconised.
I began to preach Biblical messages.
My last time up I pounded the importance of Gods Word alone.
I began to lead Bible study but by now the friction was really there.
I was asking why we never studied Galatians or Romans or Hebrews.
I openly challenged EGW and showed she failed the test of a prophet in Deuteronomy.
I was Blessed to be a part of two long time elders leaving this false church.
Has it been easy? No.
Has it come at a cost? Yes.
Was it worth it? YES!!!
Jesus said if we choose Him it will come at a cost.
FM44
I pray to God that you really invest in yourself.
Research and study it out.
If you actually study Gods Word you won’t be able to stay.
Please start with these passages.
Galatians 4:21-31
Who are the two sons?
Genesis 16-Ishmael son of flesh bondage-who’s hand is against every man.
Genesis 21-son of promise freedom Grace.
These are types and shadows.
The Bible gives us models-to larger truths.
Why would you model yourself under the son of flesh? Man’s way?
2 Corinthians 3:6-18.
FM to THIS VERY DAY in the reading of the Old Testament.
Cmon your smarter than that.
I would give you what I have if I could…
I might say that to give you Light I’d take the darkness back…
I tremble and fear to say that.
To see you get freedom in Christ I would sacrifice myself.
Please Brother I beg you…
Read line by line Galatians Romans and Hebrews.
Go slow.
Pray ask God to guide you.
I beg you watch these presentations on AA
UA-cam channels.
Test the Prophet
Academy Alologia
gmoore49
Check out those channels.
Is Jesus Christ Michael the arc Angel? That’s what Jehovah’s Witnesses teach…hey be a real Jehovah’s Witness.
There are some deadly cults that we have been warned about.
God tells us “SEE THAT YOU ARE NOT DECEIVED”.
Here’s my personal verse that hits home.
It’s a parable about the danger of false doctrine/false church poison or leaven being added to Truth.
Just so happens it’s a woman who adds it in….hhhmmmm.
Mathew 13:33
2 Peter 2:11 read that…
Jude 9 read that….
Can Jesus rebuke the devil?
Yes in the desert He absolutely did.
Now go see what Doug Batchelor teaches about Micheal the Arc angel.
If you can endure that an see that you along with many others have been duped..wouldn’t it be time to humble yourself before The Lord?
You got this.
Blessings from the deepest inward parts of me.
I pray you find freedom from this cult.
Blessings and Happy Holidays.
BC Canada -28 🥶
Much love ❤️
@@TruthSetFree-zm1ep
I didn't side step your comments or Gods word. You're probably a good person who made these comments with good intentions and so I do not question your intensions or integrity in any way.
Let me begin by saying that I don't claim to know everything which is why I'm always open to these discussions. I don't know every single detail about EGW and neither do you. My acceptance of her writings as a revelation from God is based on faith and not an absolute demonstration of flawlessness. What EGW has written about Jesus, Salvation, Prophecy, Education, Health and many other counsels as they apply to the the times we're living in does not in any way indicate that she was a false prophet as far as I know. There will always be room for doubt and many people will say different things about her but I believe God always gives us more than enough evidence upon which we can rest our faith and that evidence is in her writings. I choose to rest my faith on that evidence and I believe my experience with EGW has been a blessing. I don't understand how Adventists ignore Hebrews 1:1-2 and 2 Peter 1:20 in exactly the same way as I don't understand exactly what failed prophecies of EGW you're referring to. What do you mean exactly? Could you provide the reference to the failed prophecies you're referring to?
What you said about the Sabbath being a symbol of our redemption in Jesus isn't blasphemous in any way. It doesn't mean we're saved by keeping the Sabbath. It simply means that the Sabbath points to the redemptive work of Jesus for our salvation which He completed when He died on Friday and rested in the tomb throughout the sacred hours of the Sabbath. The same is true of creation because God completed His work on the sixth day and rested on the Sabbath. In other words the Sabbath reminds us that Jesus is our Creator and Redeemer. What's so blasphemous about that?
Once again I don't know exactly what concerns you have with beliefs #18, #19, #24 and Michael the Archangel so I don't how to address what you have presented to be honest.
I'm already familiar with the UA-cam channels you mentioned and my position remains the same. Please do not demonize Adventists in your mind by calling them a cult. Remember that you don't know everything and so I would encourage you to keep studying Scripture with an open mind. I wouldn't necessarily question your knowledge of Adventism but there's a possibility that you misunderstood many things. The pharisees had so much knowledge of the scriptures but they lacked understanding which is why they rejected Christ.
God bless you too and Happy Holidays.
"It then becomes our duty to prayerfully look into the ministry of EGW to ascertain whether or not she was sent by God."
Now, it is your prayerful duty to look into MY writings.
As the Lord's messenger, I was sent to bring you an urgent command, that you must carry out. -I was also warned that you might doubt his humble messenger.
God requires you to send me $17.99 via PayPal.
If you obey the command of the Lord, you do well...
If you fail to carry out his will, you have indeed confirmed his warning. -about your feeble faith
So, by your own admission, to declare EGW inspired is to give her equal authority to Scripture. You just confirmed this guy's argument against Doug Batchelor's claim.
But humbly maybe i am wrong I'm reading to her book And going along in your video
What about Ellen White herself saying that we should always hold the Bible as the truest testimony?
I cannot believe what Doug Batcho'lies has just said in your presentation. My immediate response was a mighty "WHAT?!" It's time for all former sda's to rip in and call out Doug as one great liar!
Shaking and sifting
Why does the 4th commandment begin with the word “Remember”? Exodus 20:11, the last sentence of the commandment says “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”, so we are to “remember” it because we are celebrating creation, God’s creation. Do we still need to celebrate creation? Of course. When did God create the Sabbath, before or after sin? Before sin…it is part of His perfect plan. When was the resurrection and is it important? It was Sunday and it was important. When was the crucifixion and was it important? It was Friday and it was important. Is there instruction anywhere in the Bible to worship on Friday or Sunday? Nowhere. God had it right from the beginning. God’s holy day is the 7th day Sabbath. Had He changed the day He certainly would have had it written in the Bible. He would not leave it to our imaginations. He would make it very clear to us.
Yes, thank you William. We’ve only heard your parroted script for decades. I don’t get how you guys can’t grasp that we’ve heard all of this before. You are the 100000th SDA to just ramble off your script like I haven’t heard this for the umpteeth time. You’re literally just beating up a straw man. You have no clue what my positions even are. This video had nothing to do with that. It had to do with fact checking a claim made by a prominent man. Yet here you are rambling about everything but that.
Furthermore, you violated one of Jesus’s most basic commands earlier by judging based on appearance, and yet here or are commenting on the video again. It sounds like you are bothered, sir. It sounds like you are convicted because it’s 2 hours later and here you still are.
You’re going to have to do better than your parroted SDA script if you want to engage. You presented no new talking points, no new claims, just the same tired assertions built on faulty assumptions and beliefs. Do better.
@@answeringadventism Same old script for decades and you still have no answer? Dude. I know some of your erroneous views, yes. This video had to do with discrediting a prominent woman. So m'dude, you don't like her and you say "She couldn't have been lead by the Holy Spirit to write what she wrote. She's a false prophet. The writers of scripture were lead by the Holy Spirit, yes? If you were baptized you received the Holy Spirit...but not THE Holy Spirit. Oh, wait...yes it is that Holy Spirit. Oh, you must be a false teacher. You received the Holy Spirit??? No, couldn't be. Same old tired rhetoric. Nice job "fact checking". What other nonsense did you spew about her? Have you read her writings? Say, Great Controversy or Desire of Ages. Maybe you're jealous, eh? BTW, Pastor Doug's statements were right on. You seem to want to twist things around to make it look like he said something he didn't. Oh, what about Sabbath there feller? Nothing? Thought so.
It’s videos like this that bring more harm than good. Sir, do you sincerely think that your videos and “bedroom voice” is going to change the minds and hearts of the adventists? If you genuinely know scripture you would agree that only the Holy Ghost will bring conviction to the sinner and direction to the honest believer. In the same way the rich man in hell was not needed to come back to convince the living about the danger of perdition so the same applies to these UA-cam videos. Only the Holy Ghost can bring us to the way, truth and life. Also, have some respect and stop calling people “idiots” that’s not very nice, you and I both know that “the heart is deceitful above all things” and any one of us can fall victim to deceit.
I am so disappointed in D.B. Can't believe it. I really admired this man. He is defending EGW, a grandiose dead narcissist. I shake my head and ask the blessed Lord Jesus, "how long O Lord, how long will you put up with these lies?" Disgusting... Better a millstone was fastened around a person's neck ..... then one of these little ones should be deceived....
This is unbelievable Doug. How can you make such a claim. Are you serious? Just incredible.
I studied the Bible over and over and it changed my life. By knowing the Bible I see that Mr bachelor preaches in line with the Bible. I see this young man here is using his time directing people to lose their salvation
I have been following your points but i dont get any satisfying point 🙏, i will continue seeing may b one will come
Every single time I will continue to take it out of context
Amazing facts 👉"Amazing Fiction" love it !
Doug has many fantasy bedtime stories that he fills the air time up with.
His teachings are most defiantly Ellen White's teachings.
Even though he might say the words "sola scriptura" alone.
Adventism doesn't exist without Ellen White.
slippery play on words for sure.
They deal one hand in saying it's solar scripture.
Then deal the other hand and add Ellen White.
Because she is their final authority.
Which in reality over rides the word of God.
And they get upset when you call them on it.
Why don't you debate and him prove him wrong?
The most dangerous person is the one who believes their own lies
You're leaving out other writings of the The author is considered a lethal lesser light But she clearly States over and over again that The Bible is authority and that if anybody speaks not according to that word there is no light in them you are severely misunderstanding and hes not lying It clearly States and you've read it and somehow you seem to still not understand it
Let this guy know. He's got things twisted.
Quench not the Spirit.
Despise not prophesyings.
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
Why do so many adventists cuss and use so much profanity?! I notice it as a distinct characteristic of seven day adventists over many years
I couldn't agree with you more.
If “rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of it” then what’s the Holy Spirit for? Isn’t the Holy Spirit, a helper, one who supposed to guide us in our reading why do we need another interpreter is the Holy Spirit enough?
Right, you’re catching the issue. We supposedly need an infallible interpreter to interpret the infallible Word. And some would even argue we need an infallible interpreter to understand the infallible interpreter.
@@samuelwilliams1559 not SDA’s it’s the sabbath that’s there Jesus, I’ve been indoctrinated for 18 years of my life AND I’m 19 it’s only now I’m starting to realize the truth and confronting my parents about it (can never get a clear cut answer it’s always becomes an emotional thing or evade and change the topic)
What difference in one’s daily life does it make whether a person is labelled Adventists, Baptist, Methodist, Muslim, Jew or Buddhist as long as they’re in the same field of consciousness? Don’t they all have travails, fear, frustration, insecurity, contradictions, uncertainty, desires, beliefs & so on?
Jesus Christ is the finisher and the author of our faith A spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ
BUSTING THE "INVISIBLE" MARK OF THE BEAST
Revelation was written in Greek. The literally meaning of CHARAGMA is a trade-mark or identifying mark.
The noun χαραγμα (charagma), which describes an engraving of any kind (any marking, brand, imprint or impression), or an item engraved (like a tablet or a piece of pottery, but also an idol or icon; see the noun εικον, eikon).
People probably began to mark things to declare their ownership of them (which is probably how writing began) but marks and symbols quickly evolved to declare the essential character of clans and troops, and the allegiance of the wearer of the mark to that troop.
Modern trademarks perfectly combine these two elements, and that is probably the best way to understand this word.
@@protestant77 That's amazing! You figured out the passages in Deuteronomy, about the passover & feast of unleavened bread... are ACTUALLY about the mark of the beast??? -can you sell me a golden gate card, for the holy city
@@protestant77 Yikes! I guess we better figure out what HIS commandments are?
@@protestant77 Oh no! I hate when you guys simply shotgun blast out dozens of verse citations, without actually posting the text... of any verse!
In Exodus the children of Israel are asked to observe sabbath, within their gates.
-a physical place
-this detail, is repeated in Deuteronomy
Exodus 20:8-10
New King James Version
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
That's why Ellen can't figure out how Alaskans should observe it. -and insults everyone (living in remote places) who can't respond to the sun properly
"...In the countries where there is no sunset for months, and again no sunrise for months, the period of time will be calculated by records kept. -only heaven knows what this means
But God has a world large enough, and proper and right for the human beings He has created to inhabit it, without finding homes in those lands so objectionable in very many, many ways." -Maunscript Releases, Vol. 12 (Nos. 921-999), p. 159.1 (Ellen Gould White)
Next, we might ask how the beautiful sinless people (on other planets) observe sabbath. Since Jupiter & Saturn have days that are approximately 10 hours each.
-maybe we can blame Mr. Bates for assigning names to the planets
-the same guy who persuaded Ellen to adopt Sabbath observance
That only opens up a new problem:
Genesis 3:20 NKJV
And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
@@protestant77 I guess you didn't actually READ Hebrews 4?
You didn't notice that sabbath observant people, failed to enter God's rest? You didn't notice that the rest proposed, is IN CONTRAST to the 7th day? -and the 7th day is only mentioned in the most dismissive way
Hebrews 4:1-10
New King James Version
The Promise of Rest
4 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if [b]Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Colossians 2. Read ALL. It's very clear that Paul says these are men's laws! "Pikuach Nefesh" is Hebrew, meaning life ABOVE law. LIFE is in Christ, who FULFILLED the laws, and there are many more scriptures backing that up. Jesus healed on the Sabbath. He demonstrated LIFE above LAW many times! Therefore ALL American cults from the 19th century Burned Over District (include JW) miss the point. You don't lose out on salvation due to obeying a Sunday law. That's just the hallmark of Ellen's new religious movement. No logic, no knowledge of the Bible, no knowledge of American history. No knowledge of the history of Christianity from 1st Century til present. Get on it!!
If so Sur, why do it you take EGW teaching out. Then I believe you
Keep exposing the darkness and bring everything out into the light. God bless your channel!
I commend all of you for your pursuit of the truth. And look forward to deep study.
That's right.
Absolutely correct!
Reminds me of the days of Jesus' earthly ministry who had the tough times preaching the truth to the Pharasies, the Seducies and the Scribes. They acted as if they were already in heaven and would not believe and accept the living Truth, Jesus Christ Himself.
Common Shabbat Keepers, take off your lenses of pride and arrogance, humble yourself before the living God of the Bible so that He alone may lift you up someday!
The phrase "Remenant Church" is nothing but statement of pride, arrogance and self deception.
Just humble yourself and come right out of the bondage of falsehood and deception that is keeping you in bondage and slavery.
Are you saying that the spirit that led the apostles is different from the spirit that is leading us today? The apostles were just men like you and I that were led by God. Same spirit of God, no different.
Didn't it say in the Bible, to test the prophets and despise not prophesyings? She wrote prophesyings and are we to ignore them completely? Or do we stick to the "Bible alone" principle while ignoring its instructions? If somebody interpreted the Bible contradicting how Ewhite did, honestly we will be more inclined to believe that of Ellen white's. Is that wrong? Is it fair to be accused of putting her writtings on par with the Bible because of it?
This is conflation and doublespeak. It ignores what Ellen said in the quotes.
She claimed her writings and scripture were both authored by the Holy Spirit. To say they aren’t equal after this is just cognitive dissonance.
Your church says her writings speak with “prophetic authority” and provide comfort, guidance, instruction and correction to the Church.
She claimed to be more than a prophet:
“During the discourse, I said that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Some were surprised at this statement, and as much is being said in regard to it, I will make an explanation. Others have called me a prophetess, but I have never assumed that title. I have not felt that it was my duty thus to designate myself. Those who boldly assume that they are prophets in this our day are often a reproach to the cause of Christ.
My work includes MUCH MORE than this name signifies. I regard myself as a messenger, entrusted by the Lord with messages for His people.”
Ellen White doesn’t even come close to passing the biblical test of a prophet. And her ability to exegete scripture was abysmal.
@@answeringadventism some prophets speak, others write. There were legit prophets mentioned in the Bible that didnt contribute to the canon. We consider her as such. Just because she wrote books doesn't mean we have to measure them with the authority of Scripture suggestively. Hers is the lesser light but not lesser in authority nor in importance because they were also written under the guidance and illumination of the Holy Ghost, who doesn't consider any of His messages of lesser value, importance or authority. When White speaks of her writings or her ministry expressing confidence, she is not exalting herself but was merely testifying to their authenticity, that they were of God.
@@rayray4192 there was a time when Paul's letters went under fire. So Peter had to defend Paul in one of his. We believe Ellen White's writings are under fire now for the same reason Paul's writings were. I think Olson had this in mind when making such statements. Do you believe Paul was infallible? How about Peter? How then are we seeing letters of fallible men part of the infallible scripture? How can anything manmade be infallible? Personally, I wouldn't call White an infallible interpreter of Scripture. Her writings are largely homiletics. But I wouldn't take them lightly either, when she is claiming that she received them from God.
@@rayray4192 we believe in the infallibility of Scriptures, not writers. Sorry.
@@royanque8374 I wonder why scripture failed to mention Ellen White? -like those other "legit" prophets
Well done.
By your tradition (Sunday sacredness) you make the commandments of god (sabbath) of no effect
What church do you belong to now?
The Christian church
@@answeringadventism wow, there are so many different denominations though. So, what denomination do you belong to?
If the Holy Spirit is responsible for writing then it’s authoritative. So Doug contradicted himself
2peter 3:3, acts2:17
Has nothing to do with EGW. She doesn’t even come close to passing the biblical test of a true prophet.
Yes it is, and I am in for 25 years
After all the defrocking, disfellowshipping, judging, shaming, traumatising that the SDA church has done since its organization, they are now teaching salvation by grace through faith alone as if that's the teaching they've promoted all along.
Iv been reading a publication of theirs (it doesn't mention any affiliation to the SDA church though) and what's shocking to me is that iv never heard a single SDA pastor or sabbath school lesson teaching any of the wonderful stuff they've written in there ( i was a consistent SDA church member for over 20 years.)
What SDAs have done is to simply change their tune about salvation without acknowledging the psychological impact of their teachings and behaviour up until the very recent past. This is just the most pathetic attempt at dishonesty I've ever seen. They've adopted all these ideas from the same protestant Christian churches they used to refer to as "Babylon", to cover up what they really are: a system of salvation by works, standing on pillars of false doctrines and a false prophet.
I'm floored cos I still do attend SDA church meetings from time to time (my entire family is SDA) and I still don't hear pastors or sabbath school quartelies teach anything close to what these publications are saying.
I know better than to believe anything SDAs say but non-Adventists can be easily taken in by these publications. Everything looks Biblically sound, looks can be so deceiving.
Yes. They may pay lip service to justification by faith alone but they don’t actually understand what it means. They don’t understand forensic justification and the imputed righteousness of Christ to the undeserving sinner.
@@samuelwilliams1559 Mr Williams please don't start. Go and comment under Amazing Facts or something and leave us alone.
The publication started off amazing until they started building up to a conclusion that the Sabbath is the Gospel. I nearly fell of my bed, unbelievable stuff.
Her rottings are an inspired light but it is an lesser light so if you can come up with direct contradictions or the word of God in the reasoning of the scriptures against sir ridings then you have a case but until then I haven't seen anything but perhaps I'm misunderstanding what it is I'm not a Bible scholar
Touchdown... AA!
Seems like she's talking about the Holy Spirit and not herself the Holy Spirit works through many people
How I believed in the SDA “church” and EGW for more than 40 years is beyond me. God saved me this year! The first thing that I realized was that she’s NOT God’s prophet. Then I studied my way out and one after another my beliefs started falling down. God opened my eyes and for the first time in my life I actually started enjoying reading the Bible cause it all made sense.
Continue the good work on this channel! Adventism is very dangerous and deceiving cause their language sounds like they’re saying one thing but it means something totally different. All of that needs to be exposed so the souls can be saved!
Well said Anne ..they twist and bend scripture to defend a false prophet
God is good!!!!! It’s a miracle!
I can't understand too; after 40 years? I wonder what made you change your mind!
So glad you are out. Praise God
@@mpierce889 I grew up in an Adventist family, I was a 3rd generation, my father was an elder for many years, my brother is still a pastor. My whole world is Adventist world with Adventist people in it. I got Adventist doctrines through my mothers milk so to say. You never doubt cause all your parent, grandparents, uncles and aunts, cousins, friends, everyone is in the same church. I never doubted. I heard some things every now and then, but since I’ve been brainwashed (sadly I have no other explanation) that we are the ones closest to the biblical truth, you automatically think that all the other Christians have even less than us of that “truth”. This summer I watched about flds and their “prophet” how he prophesied, it didn’t happen and then he said God showed him He decided to give sinners more time to repent. It clicked in my head that I heard something similar about EGW and one of her prophecies. I started researching and that was the beginning of it.
If EGWhite is a prophet.
That literally makes her writings inspired Scripture.
They cannot have it both ways.
Myles, I understand that flyers inviting community members to evangelistic Bible studies on prophecy or health often omit the name of the Seventh Day Adventists because they don't want to be identified prior to attendance. Do you know if this is still current practice?
Absolutely.
Their Revelation Seminars are a prime example. They’re typically a week long and no mention of Seventh-Day Adventism is made until they start getting into the Mark of the Beast and Sunday being said mark. Which is typically on Wednesday or Thursday of the week long seminar.
@@answeringadventism Another thing I heard is that SDAs don't believe that Sabbathbreaking is the Mark of the Beast. Rather, they believe it will be the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. Do you know if this is true? As an Armstrongite, I always considered Sunday observers as under the Mark of the Beast now, rather than some future point.
@@Robert_Sparkman_01 they believe going to church on Sunday WILL be the mark of the beast after the United States government links up with “apostate Protestantism” and Roman Catholicism to pass a National Sunday Worship Law. It will be submitting to this law that will supposedly be the mark of the beast.
I was in a meeting with a group planning an evangelistic series for an SDA church. The speaker was going to be a Conference PResident. He told everyone that if someone asks what church is hosting the meetings, to tell them, in a gentle and specific way, that it was being hosted by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and everyone in the room was astonished and questioned him on it, because it has always been the practice to never reveal the church until after the study on the Sabbath, which is always towards the end of any series. Now, he never announced which church was hosting from the front, but if someone asked someone specifically, then he told everyone to be honest and tell them.
@@TheVCRTimeMachine Interesting. I don't think the Sabbath is that controversial, to be honest. I belonged to the Armstrongites, another Sabbathkeeping group, and they always made the Sabbath out to be controversial to non-Sabbatarians. Personally the bigger offenses, for them, were their denial of the Trinity and claims that they would become God in the resurrection. Perhaps the mark of the Beast = Sunday observanve claim is offensive to other Christians, though.
So as I write this 2nd it seems like you're having trouble repeatedly trying to prove semantics and so far that's the only thing I've seen anybody do
All you have to do is compare with scripture and if any teaching is contradictory than good.... but what you are doing is deliberately trying to defame people for there beliefs.
The Bible is there for you to proof check it against The Truth. The Word.
People are not perfect but God loves everyone equally.
I’m not defaming anyone. Doug lied. Period. Yes, the scriptures are interpreted through the lens of Ellen white and the SDA Church needs to stop lying to people.
I'm a former Adventist, but honestly I don't feel like they are contradicting the Bible in anyway. No one in my entire Adventist drenched upbringing (grades 1-12 in their school system and attending church for much of that time) ever put her writings above the Bible, they would just use her writings as something they might read on its own or alongside the Bible and really liked her health message more than anything (which for it's time when Dr's were prescribing alcohol and a pack of cigarettes and probably blood letting and bedrest, probably was better than conventional medical practices at the time).
I don't know of an Adventist that would have a problem with getting rid of egw all together, and just studying the Bible itself, I never felt her teachings were the main theme, more of a reference.
She's just a woman they feel was inspired by God and the founder of the church (but honestly I think she probably had some seizures after someone hit her upside the head with a rock). I'm not even religious any longer but honestly never saw a church or members putting Ellen's writing above the Bible.
Yet the official source documents say otherwise. The system of SDA theology says otherwise.
This isn’t about individual SDAs. It’s about the organization. I can show you individual SDAs that say all sorts of stuff not in harmony with the official organizational position.
Now first with Ellen G White now Pastor Doug
I hear what you’re saying, but…
Ms. White specifically counseled her readers to not rely on her writings or the writings of any other mortal soul, but rather to read the Bible. She said that if the writings of a person, including her, aid in the understanding of scripture, fine, but to rely on the Bible and not the writings of humans.
Doug is on good grounds.
Go to EGW writings!!!
The testimony of JesusChrist is the spirit of prophecy And if she does not specify it could be in her own words It's he specifying that her words trump The Bible that it's a greater light or = never I still don't understand what it is the words are always taken ever so slightly out of context never knowing where she's coming from if you If you actually see where Hernandez's racing comes from The Bible you would see why she writes in that way there is nothing wrong with it she's not saying it trumps The Bible she's not gonna write it exactly she's writing with her own permission
God loves you my Brother " Answering Adventism". Take time to study the sacred scriptures rather than criticizing DOUG BATCHELOR, we're not worry your ATTACKS at the end at the Judgement, I want to see you besides Jesus as our Advocate in Front the thrown of God, you're NO DIFFERENCE what Jesus mentioned..." A son of Perdition....", you have more time criticizing rather studying nor giving " SOLO SCRIPTURA...", We're praying for your soul our Brother, that I will see you in heaven, For
“A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:15-20). We don't have time attacking each other, rather we need to go back to the scripture, I pitied you so much, you rather shot your mouth, because I want to see you in the glory of God, preparing for all of us and for you my Dear Brother, doesn't worth attacking somebody, buttom line is do more good things for God, rather spending time criticizing or Attacking other denomination, we are praying for your salvation our dear Brother.
You know a sight it does in the court that is this world and it displays a recent universe he argues like a lawyer Samantha's just like he tried to what Jesus Christ Jesus Christ "d back scripture to him it is written it is written it is written it is written it is written In the garden he questioned God has God said that really did he say it with the ever so slightness of the tone the world fell so were your faith if we do not look diligently
Just read this in Letters and Manuscripts, Volume 18, MS 135, paragraph 2, which makes it clear that when the "Pioneers" were studying and could not understand a text, an Ellen White vision became they interpretation. So YES, they do interpret scripture through her and the "position" they should take was "made clear" by her visions.
"My husband, Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce, Elder Edson, a man who was keen, noble, and true, and many others whose names I cannot now recall were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for truth. At our important meetings, these men would meet together and search for the truth as for hidden treasure.
I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly; for we felt that we must learn God’s truth. Often we remained together until late at night, and sometimes through the entire night, praying for light and studying the word. As we fasted and prayed, great power come upon us. But I could not understand the reasoning of the brethren. My mind was locked, as it were, and I could not comprehend what we were studying. Then the Spirit of God would come upon me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had been studying would be given me, with instruction as to the position we were to take regarding truth and duty .
Correct. Also in “Early Writings”.
@@answeringadventism Keep on reading EGW, rather Criticizing, We're always praying that we can meet you in heaven my Brother. Be blessed Not condemning other denomination. After all, examine everything what's your intentions of attacking Doug BATCHELOR, EGW, & SDA, I will find you if you will be heaven, it's not too late my Brother, there's no pleasant things coming God given lips. At the end God will judge your faul mouth, we will always pray for you Brother Answering Adventism".
Brother, you've got so much hate. Its sad and true.
It’s not hate it’s truth that’s what we want to know
@@herbtuck1481 Our Brother Herb Tuck I am so sorry, I don't see nor hear anything good to this Brother, nor we can't see Jesus's character on this beloved Brother of this clip video" ( Answering Adventism). I don't see him what 1 John 4:16 says,
" God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." My Presbyterian Brother and Ex SDA. Love one another and don't help this Brother, who are so full of hostilities and resentments for SDA Church, Pastor Bachelor and Ellen G. White. Please be like Christ. Not conformed of his hostilities be open minded and read, what Gamaliel said in Acts 5: 34-39. Be careful what you are saying our Dear Brother of Answering Adventism", our prayers is to see him in heaven and take time reading yourself the scriptures, if it's RIGHT or JUST, to attack nor criticize other denomination? Please ponder what Apostle Paul says in Philippians 4:8, NIV: Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."
@@herbtuck1481 calling another brother an idiot is truth not hate?? Thats wrong and evil!
Thank you for this video brother Myles.
God Bless you.
The reason why former SDAs go against all of these things is because they cannot handle the truth. You need to pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you, remove your hatred and anger, and then read the Bible, Ellen G. White's writings, and watch Pastor Doug Batchelor's sermons. You will see, in no way, is it contradictory. Think about it like this: You have the Bible, written a couple thousand+ years ago, in different languages. When it is translated into English, it doesn't translate perfectly in every word, or every inferred nuance of the original language. The book of Revelation alone has symbology MOST do not understand and THOUSANDS of people right now are "grasping at straws" to make sense of it and connections with today. Most people are getting it wrong. This is where a prophet, or in Ellen White's case, prophetess, is needed. She helped the people of her day and those of today even to understand things that didn't quite make sense. Kinda like a fellow classmate who understood the teacher's explanation on how you do a math problem that you didn't understand, but the fellow classmate can explain it to you in such a way that makes it easy to understand. Ex-Adventists are usually defiant and bitter because they feel singled out, ostracized from friends and made fun of. What is your reason? Is it really that you "woke up"? And whatever you say won't hurt or anger me. My mother-in-law is a diehard catholic, hates SDAs and made fun of Ellen White, calling her a retard because she was hit in the head with a fairly large rock when she was 8 and was unable to attend school as others.
EVERONE WHO READS THIS: I beg you to NOT take mine, this guy's, or anyone else's word for this. Pray for the Holy Spirit's guidance, set aside anger and preconceived notions, read the Bible carefully, then look at Ellen White, Doug Batchelor and even Sunday keeping churches. You will see the truth for yourself, but only if you truly seek it. I will pray for you all🙏
That is simply not true. Ellen White's writings contradicted the Bible and added to it. He is criticizing SDA theology on its merits, not because he's bitter.
@@hotwax9376 Have you ever read Ellen G. White's writings? Have you read the whole Bible? Have you prayed for the Holy Spirit to guide you while studying? Don't just listen to what others say; read and study for yourself.
@@distinctivediyer4931 I have read through the Bible multiple times.
@@hotwax9376 Read Ellen G. White's writings. You can compare what you have read in the Bible to her writings and see for yourself. Awesome that you have read the whole Bible so many times!! 👍😊
@@distinctivediyer4931 Debate me and see what happens with the demonic E. White. Do you dare?
Is it Dough? No?
Thank you for covering about Adventism. As for me the reason I learned from those who left the church is vague and different understanding of the church beliefs. My sister and I are so blessed to be born Adventist.
What is the name of your church? And why can't you just defend your beliefs without saying things against Adventist?
I am defending my beliefs. The mission statement of the channel is publicly posted in the about section of the channel along with my confession of faith.
Exposing heresy and educating the body of Christ on Adventisms false gospel and false Christ is defending my beliefs.
What does that mean when you can defend your beliefs only against one church? Your topics are exclusively all about against SDA. That is sad...
@Answering Adventism I will pray for you so that your eyes may be opened. Otherwise, be blessed, my brother. However, you do not defend your beliefs by attacking Adventism. Just state them and show how they hold up to the standard, that is the word of God, i.e. the Bible.
@Ray Ray If you can determine the motive and assign the correct motive to my post, it is well to answer as you did. On the other hand, your inferred motive might be wrong. I know my intentions, and they are nothing close to what you deduced.
@@aerodave1 what is the gospel?
Ellen White definitely didn't struggle with humility, that's for sure. Haha
Careful now. You might be going against the Spirit of God. 😉
@@samuelwilliams1559 her role as a plagiarist and false prophet?
@@samuelwilliams1559 her many claims about prophesy are not only contradictory but also go against Scripture. But things like there being a time when Jesus wasn't God, Sunday worship being the mark of the beast, and my favorite dietary restrictions.
@@samuelwilliams1559 you are the one making accusations, my friend. I don't follow Wesley, Calvin, or White. You can say "oh SDA are more healthy than the average person" but that doesn't make White's teachings on it on par with Scripture. And you can say "our doctrines come from the Bible" but that is true insofar as White has interpreted them. There is no evidence in Scripture for an "investigative judgement" as White taught but any SDA member who questions that is disfellowshipped. You can try to deny that your prophet is your guide through Scripture and doctrine but you would be dishonest.
@@c19comandante57 so it's okay because the "prophet" did it and was not charged?
I watch his videos and I will say with the comments he makes on “true” Christ he knows what he’s doing and the division among the different churches is going to be the reason why people stay away from Christ as a whole. It’s sad that people like him have to insult other peoples faith in order to build his own. I’m happy that he’s found a belief that he can stick with but like you I stuck with Adventism and I don’t believe that ever has to change in order for me to be saved
I listened to this... I have not heard any thing wrong with what was said... I think perhaps your perspective and interpretation may be the issue... Perhaps if this was a video interaction it would be better... As for interpretation, it does not mean the Bible is less than E G White, its interpretation and therefore should not change the original item. And every prophet youll find they claim that thry were inspired by God... Not a single prophet on this planet will tell you they are not inspired by God as for you to be a prophet you SHOULD be inspired by God. This is common sense... Lets learn to debate facts and not your own interpretations...