The Seriousness of Adventism's Unbelief and Doctrine | Jim Baber | FAF Conference 2024
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- FAF Conference • February 16-18, 2024
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*QUESTION FOR SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS* - Are you comfortable committed to the Seventh-day Adventist which is twice cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for witchcraft, necromancy and mediumship and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods?
Given the information in this video above, are you comfortable?
I am not an Adventist. Never have been. I have issues with their doctrines as well. However, your claim regarding the meaning of Galatians 3:10 is a bit dubious. The issue for Paul was the idea of wanting to be "under the Law." That term means "subject to its punishment." If I am subject to punishment I am under it. Everyone must contend with the reality that the Torah has a blessing for obedience and a curse for disobedience. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the Torah. Now, all that remains is the blessing. Why would I be against being blessed? Verse 12 says the man that does them will live in them. The opposite of living is dying. Romans 6:15-16 says I can live by obeying YHVH's Law, but I will die if I choose another way. It is a matter of choosing whom we obey, not whether we can be perfect. The one thing I don't want to do is obey someone else.
No one who understands Paul is relying on the Law for their salvation. That is not the purpose of the Law. The purpose of the Law is to teach us the behavior YHVH wants from us. The Law is what someone starts doing AFTER they decide to choose YHVH as their Elohim and follow his Messiah. It is what steers me away from behaviors that are obedience to other gods.
Jesus kept the Law perfectly. Otherwise, He would have been a sinner because 1 John 3:4 says "sin is transgression of the Law." For that reason, the definition of "following Jesus" is obeying the Torah.
Have we failed? Of course. Will we fail again? Undoubtedly. But, obedience to it is the demonstration of faith in the Messiah that ancient Israel did until He arrived. After the fact, it has become a memorial to His life. 1 John 5:3 Loving God IS keeping his Commandments. It is not difficult.
Jesus Christ said “If you love me, keep my commandments.” John 3: 16, 17. The SDA’s are keeping the sabbath and we study the whole Holy Bible. There are Ten Commandments or father Twelve if you count the other two that Jesus Christ mentioned. Good day! I’ll be praying for you.
@@the_jeremiah_16_19_project Adventists cite Rev. 14:12 as their go to verse to prove they are law keepers and hence their desire to be under the law and for their willful desire to be under the Law, Gal. 3:10 applies.
@@user-kr8pt4iu6g Your comment is making the argument for Law or commandment keeping, but does not refute the Gal. 3:10. You ignore Gal. 3:10 as though it does not exist and proceed with typical Adventist proof texts.
Before we proceed, you must tell us all why it is not a curse to rely on the law:
Gal 3:10 ESV For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
@@AcademyApologia what did Moses the prophet say after he was given the Ten Commandments written by THE HAND OF GOD HIMSELF? “Those who do not live by the law, shall die by the law!” He meant that because GOD HIMSELF wrote the LAW, THEY (the law) MUST BE OBEYED! PERIOD! Why are things the way they are right now? Because people WILL NOT OBEY! “It is better to obey than suffer!” Read your Holy Bible again and start from THE BEGINNING!
I was an Adventist for over 15 years, head deacon ,no more! He is right on the mark !
Thank you for the confirmation
Was just listening to Doug Batchelor, he said Michael the Arch-Angel and Jesus Christ are one in the same. I thought, that's it, got to go.
I didn't know that. Watchtower teach that too.
Kay, cite the source of that statement, or offer a video title were Doug B says that. I believe you are mistaken...
I do not agree with Doug Bachelor on many things, but I do believe you might not fully understand what he has stated.
Adventists believe in the FULL DIVINITY of Christ, He is as much God as The Father.
Angel simply means messenger, Arch means to be the head of or in this case be the Head over all the angels and therfore Arch-Angel.
He does not believe that Christ is a created angel, but the head over all and creator of all created angels.
Michael means "Who is like God", Christ is the image of God
I have many many sources from Adventist literature where they make this claim, so it is no surprise that as this heretical teaching goes back to Ellen White:
"There is none that holdeth with me in these things but Michael (Christ) your prince."
White, Ellen. The Desire of the Ages. Mountain View: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1898, p. 99
“Michael, or Christ, with the angels that buried Moses, came down from Heaven, after he had remained in the grave a short time, and resurrected him, and took him to Heaven.”
White, Ellen. Spiritual Gifts. Vol. 4a. Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 1864/2017, p. 59
@@AcademyApologia Thank you. They absolutely believe that Jesus is Michael the archangel, and even though they SAY "Michael is just another name for Jesus," the meaning of that equation is obvious when you read their proof texts. They still use Jude 9 to claim Michael is Jesus--but Jude 9 CLEARLY makes Michael less than God. Michael says "the LORD rebuke you," to the devil...but the Lord Jesus directly rebuked Satan while He was on earth. Michael absolutely CANNOT be equated with Jesus in any way conceivable!
Jim is sent from the Lord
What I can say is that Adventism is a religion of cursed, demonic and anti-Christ doctrines that the command from the Scripture to expose such error and to defend the faith are what drives me:
Eph 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Jud 1:3 ESV Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
I wonder what kind of fruit you bring? accusation, hatred, hostility - what kind of fruit are they?@@AcademyApologia
@@andrzejzie7046 Given that you ignored the topics of this talk, it is now safe to assure you are comfortable being in a cursed, Anti-Christ, doctrines of demons church founded by an Abomination to God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods
@@andrzejzie7046
Simple..... the exposure of the false teachings in Adventism....... that's the fruit.
@@FIJIApologist-ab1cd This is not good fruit so. Devil exposes our sins and God rebukes him.
It’s so sad that Sda people won’t even search the scriptures for truth and even when they see it they will not accept it because they were told by the church not to believe anyone or anything else but what they teach or you are damned . I know I was one for 35 years I knew for a very long time there were many teachings they taught were definitely not biblical but because of my laziness of not studying the Bible alone without EGW books this was my down fall . However , finally I bel I was opened to God speaking to me and as I prayed and deeply studied his word against EGW. I was shocked and angry that I was so deceived by a church that I thought was teaching truth . I knew right then I had to leave this deceptive church and I did it’s been over 10 years now and my relationship with God has grown so much I know now that when Jesus died on the cross it was finished . My sins are forgiven now not at a silly probation time . They should be ashamed of what their doing , turn to the truth my friends please , while there’s still time . I pray for you guys all the time .
Thank you for sharing your testimony. I agree, if Adventists were to actually become Bereans (Acts 17:10-15), then hundreds if not thousands would gladly depart Adventism because they recognized at once, Adventism is not Christian and Adventism is unbelief.
They don't ! The testimonies when they left is that, I never knew that exist in the Bible
@@okwijames947 Thank you for citing 1 John 2:4 which is a command to keep the commands of Christ, not the so-called 10 commandments. Good job
Adventists are tremendous Bible students. If you were one for 35 years and did not do so, that's on you.
@@rvaillant You are a failed bible student as you did not biblically address a single fact of this video. Now, go find your bible, blow the dust off and try again.
Wow! You did a good work to lead people into the kingdom of Darkness
Please try again and next time post a complete thought
Good one Jim🎉
While having premarraige councelling from an adventist pastor I showed my wife that SDA is false. So we tried to hide the fact that we knew there was false teachings but just wanted him to at least marry us. But then he rejected us because we wanted to get married on a Saturday and because there were people that needed to work on the Saturday such as photographers etc he did not want to marry us. That was the last straw😅 we have been happily married ever since and believe OSAS, pretrib, faith alone saves us not of works. There's so much false teachings in this world, can't wait for the rapture anymore.
Were/are either of you SDA?
@@Jaco3688 She and her parents and sister were Adventists. We almost broke up before getting married because I had to basically choose between accepting her and her faith or not. So I risked it and showed her the truth by reading out of Galations and said I'm doing it out of love. What helped a lot was reading the study of the covenants by Chris Lee. Showing that Ellen Whites grave stone is an obelisk, the GC gave a golden medal to the pope, how her husband etc were freemasons. Also watching Dale Ratzlaffs videos.
@@Jaco3688 SDA do not marry non SDAs
@@glorialoo3165 I guess my wife didn’t know that. (Not did her niece)
You lake a revelation , precisely , you don't have inspirarion
Go to Jesus teaching for true teachings ❤no one else.
Right, do not go the these false and non-Christian churches: Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Islam, etc.
Thank you brother Jim for your words
Where in the new testament does it command gentiles to keep the sabbath No where study Hebrews chapters 7 - 9 They should preach christ true gospel instead of sabbath sabbath
You are right. We need to preach the Christian gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) and as you say, not the false SDA gospel of their 3 Angels, which is a false gospel.
@@mitchellosmer1293 You are consistent and consistently do not follow any conversations. Yoiu are not directly address the talk of this video. Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods.
What will be your reaction to a law that requires you to honor Sunday as the Day of the lord. Just keep it in mind so when it happens there will not be a shock.
@@user-pk1ex4zh3h You are not directly address the talk of this video. Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
Only one man on earth kept the law, The only begotten Son of The Father, Jesus Christ. Previously quoted above II Cor. 5:21, Our righteousness comes from Christ Who became sin for us. Not guilty, or acquitted verdicts never come out of the judgement. “Pardoned,” stands out graciously declared on the repentant.
Does God desire us to reject sin? Of course he does. 1 John 2:1 (My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin.) But if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous One,
2:2 and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the entire world. NET
Saved by works troubled the Christian church from day one. Yes, Saved by works infests the Adventist church, (it motivated the rejection of A.T. Jones in 1888.) It surely inundates the Catholic church, to what degree it infiltrates evangelicals not quite sure. It is a human dilemma, “Self can do it.” Well, self can accomplish nothing, Christ accomplished our salvation and empowers us to love. Let us, Evangelicals, Protestants, Catholics and whatever anyone might classify themselves promote, “Saved by Faith,” that 100% Jesus Christ saves us.
Im still an Adventist
You are free to be in a church cursed by the bible and it is remarkable tat you are comfortable in a cursed church. Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods.
Even after Jesus said to the seventh day Pharisees, you are of your father the devil, the Pharisees continue to be in the seventh day adventism movement.
Revelation 18:4, God says, come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.
Even when God says, come out of her, the people of God don't want to come out of her.
Jesus did not pray for the seventh day Pharisees, instead Jesus said, you are of your father the devil.
{ John 8:44 }
Jesus said to his disciples, let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
{ Matthew 15:14 }
The SDA is under the blessings and curses of the law of the old covenant.
{ Deuteronomy chapter 28, 29, 30, and 31 }
The SDA is a debtor to keep the whole law: for it is written, cursed is everyone that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
{ Galatians 3:10 }
The seventh day adventists drive their cars on the Sabbath day of rest.
Jesus called the ruler of the synagogue, you hypocrite, and said to him, do not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
{ Luke 13:15 }
In the old testament, there was a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day of rest, and God said to Moses, he shall surely be put to death.
{ Numbers 15:32-36 }
Even tithing under the law of the old covenant, the SDA is robbing God of the heave offering of all the tithes.
{ Numbers 18:28 }
&
{ Malachi 3:8 }
I pray that you pray to find the truth. In Christ alone. Ask God, If im wrong, please show me. Prayers for your eternal soul. Dont be angry, just seek truth. Use the Holy Bible, you will find it. Love you!!
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Given that 71% of all new members leave, I agree. Who wants to join a church that the Word of God curses 3 times, is Anti-Christ, teaches doctrines of Demons and whose chief seer (EGW) is an abomination to God. I guess you are comfortable in such a church?
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Now now wait just a minute
Please address the talk about your cursed, Anti-Christ, doctrines of Demons and Abomination to God church and why you are comfortable in something the Word of God speaks harshly of?
Nothing, not one word, is written in the Jerusalem Decree sent to the gentile churches of Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia about keeping the Jewish Sabbath day. Instead, the letter was to warn the Christian churches that certain Judaizers were trying to tell Christians that they had to be circumcised, keep the laws of Moses, and keep the Sabbath day.
Right you are....
If we're only suppose to use Pauls writing for us as Gentiles then we might as well scrap the rest of Gods inspirational word the as well as the Four Gospels where Jesus spoke about how to keep the Sabbath. Study it and youll do well don't listen to these haters of Gods church
@@user-rl9zh3td9f Given that you ignored the topics of this talk, it is now safe to assure you are comfortable being in a cursed, Anti-Christ, doctrines of demons church founded by an Abomination to God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods.
The Sabbath was made for man, all mankind. The Sabbath is not called the Sabbath of the Jews. God says there is neither Jew nor Greek,we are all one in Christ Jesus . That doesn’t mean we change His laws. God loves all men equally, none are favored above another. The Sabbath is Blessed and Hallowed, there are blessings involved in keeping God’s laws.
In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were told the they could eat of every tree except one, they were disobedient, they didn’t trust God, they put their trust in a created being.
In Ezekiel 8 God talks about His people who had problems obeying Him, they were crying for Tammuz who is a pagan god, his birthday is coincidentally December 25th, and they turned their backs on the temple and prayed toward the East, worshipping the sun. God’s people have always disobeyed Him, they didn’t always keep the Sabbath, but there were consequences. His people broke every covenant, God Only is faithful. His covenant to us is to write the Commandments on our hearts. When the Holy Spirit comes to us He convicts us of the Truth, for God is The Truth, there is no other.
It is written those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ will be saved PERIOD
It is written, for we are saved by GRACE through FAITH in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8).
John 3:3 says “you must be born again”
@@2Thes22 Actually, it says, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." The term "born again" has been hijacked by Christianity. To be born again is to be resurrected, or if alive, to receive the glorified body. That is when the Kingdom of God can be seen. No one in this life is born again.
I stand corrected. The correct reference is John 3:5-7. Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The term has not been hijacked; it is a direct quote from the Bible which is defined and in context. It is the essence of the gospel.
@@2Thes22 But you are still flesh. You are not a spirit. You have been born of the flesh. At the resurrection you will be born again. That is when you will be able to see the Kingdom of God.
Sorry to say you may have read words but the truth didnt penetrate your mind. Christ made a perfect ATONEMENT (PAYMENT) and yet that atonement still has to be APPLIED.
Looks like we need to establish some format here.
Question: if forgiveness happened at the cross ...what about everyone who lived BEFORE the cross??
Have you considered the scripture that says " Thy way oh God is in the SANCTUARY"
THE sanctuary lays out a mini map of how Jesus restores us to the presence of God again.
Brings his wandering sheep home.
The process involves MORE THAN FORGIVENESS .
That is like a relationship say for example a narc. Who just says forgive me but doesnt really change.
They want you to destroy your boundaries for them and just keep on forgiving.
God is wiser than that narcissistic game. Hence He has Judgment to sift out those who would abuse His mercy and mistake His kindness for weakness.❤
OK, you and I agree that Christ made the ONE perfect atonement, but that means you and I disagree with Ellen White and the GC who published the 28 beliefs.
unfortunately the adventist 'church' denies what you just said while holding 3 official and contradictory views of the atonement and all of these views were published as the truth: you see that's the good thing about being SDA, the 'present truth' can change at the drop of a dime!
*** No Atonement:
Uriah Smith - Adventist Review - Oct 19, 1876:
"The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. CHRIST DID NOT MAKE ATONEMENT when he shed his blood upon the cross. Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind."
Elder Little John - Adventist Review - Sept 16, 1884:
Question: "Do you not believe that Christ made an atonement for our sins on the cross?:"
Answer: "No sir, I do not. He died on the cross thus laying the foundation for the making of the atonement ..."
*** Partial Atonement:
Ellen White - Patriarchs and Prophets: "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement"
*** Completed Atonement:
Review and Herald Sept 30, 1982, page 12:
"Alas, Christ's agony! We can comprehend it only faintly. Jesus cried out, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" and then His heart of love broke. His breathing stopped. His head dropped limply on His chest. ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS WAS COMPLETED. Removal of our guilt was made possible. Our restoration was assured. He had come to seek and save the lost. His goal and purpose WERE REALIZED."
Ministry Magazine October 2003: page 38:
"Preach Jesus as Conqueror. Just as He made FULL ATONEMENT for our sins AT THE CROSS, Jesus came forth from the tomb with glorious victory over death and the grave"
Old testament saints saved by grace through faith, just like new testament saints. Hebrews is a very good book to read. Try chapter 11.
@@SandyLaFlower Yes, but Adventists are not saved by grace, they are saved by Sabbath keeping. After all, Ellen White is clear, Sabbath keeping is essential for salvation as is the 28 beliefs book:
“The Sabbath is the golden clasp that unites God and His people. It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord.”
White, Ellen. My Life Today. Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald, 1952, p. 287
*“So the Sabbath marks those who have accepted Jesus as Creator and Savior.”*
General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. Seventh-day Adventists Believe - An explanation of the fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Maryland: Review and Herald Publishing Association, 2018, p. 291
Many SDA Pastors know the truth but continue to preach Adventist theology because SDA pastors are the highest paid.
So true and this is something I have heard from many.
@@AcademyApologiaso what should be said or done about all the other isms in the world?
Hinduism ?
Satanism?
Islam?
Buddhism?
Baha’i
All the Eastern Religions?
There are countless humans in these and many other religions.
Are they all just going to perish along with SDA’s ?
As they are not Christians too .
I am confused.
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PRAY FOR THEM TO BE SAVED. TO FIND JESUS. It's one of my main and deepest prayer...all delivered all saved. So many things we don't understand. God does. Speak to God about it too.
@@elviraroberts876 This talk was given at the "Former Adventist" conference where the topic is "Adventism is unbelief." Therefore, you should not be confused that I addressed Adventism. This talk proves from the bible and Adventist literature that Adventism is indeed unbelief.
@@dennoggi587 Really? Two words is all you can muster to defend a religion (SDA) the bible curses, calls doctrines of demons, anti-Christ and whose chief Seer and Revelator is an abomination to God? You must be comfortable is such a religion (SDA).
There is no present truth. Its ALL a lie.
The truth is: the law of sin and death (old testament) OR grace and truth: Jesus Christ.. (new testament)
Read Galatians, they were mixing old and new covanant law. Now we have the law of Christ. Clearly your friend satan is guiding you.
Much love...
Correct! Present truth in Adventism is not a biblical concept
It is very hard to be kind to ones that dont want the truth in love. No ears to hear or eyes to see. So, truth is truth. And yes, prayer for eternal souls not to go to hell. ♥️🙏🏼
@@SandyLaFlower I understand, but being kind to Adventist in many cases is to be straight forward with bible truth. They will not see kindness, but they must know SDA doctrines are not biblical, so let's keep telling them and others of the danger of Adventism
You don't know that the law in question is Moses law it was God that wrote the ten commandments written with his own finger on tables of stone
You are not addressing the content of the talk in this video, but then again you may have done this on purpose because you are comfortable in a cursed, anti-Christ church of Doctrines of demons with a Seer (Ellen White) who is an abomination to God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods.
And that law was given 430 years after Abraham as a tutor until Christ, the Seed, should come. The tables of stone are there for a reason, a covenant between 2 parties, GOD and ISRAEL. The overarching terms of that covenant were on 2 tables of stone, 1 copy for each party involved in the agreement. 2 identical copies (not 4 on one table and 6 on the other as EGW stated, as if God ran out of space and needed another tablet). And the specifics and details of that covenant are in the book of the law in the side of the ark.
Adventists will claim that this 'book of the law' is what was nailed to the cross and that it contained ceremonial things, etc., while the 10 commandments were permanent because they were written in stone. YET Moses smashed the first tables in anger did he not? - ok so they are not very permanent.
Also what does scripture say?: "being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts."
And consider this that the book of the law which SDA's say was nailed to the cross while the decalogue remains IN the ark because it is permanent and written on stone? - the "book of the law" contained 2 written copies of the decalogue / 10 commandments, See Deuteronomy Chapter 5... so by their own admission the 10 commandments were "nailed to the cross"
And WHO was this covenant made with? - not Gentiles - but - "Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of US HERE ALIVE TODAY."
This is why we have to disregard extra-biblical lying prophets and fantasy novels created out of false visions.
Why is that so many dispense with only the 4th commandment? Is it fine that we should place Mary before Christ, bow down to idols and pray to those who are not the Father or the Son repetitively. Is it fine to claim the name of the Father and the Son and yet disregard His Law? Shall we dishonor our parents, kill, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness against or neighbor, and covet our neighbors wife and possessions? But when we arrive at the commandment to remember the sabbath and to keep it Holy suddenly, many believe there has been some change in the mind of the Creator of all things which were created, who has made it plain He does not change. Exodus 31:16. “Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.” Ref. Romans 11:11-36 John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
This comment is toward comments made here rather than toward this video which I've not even viewed half way yet. Many are confused about the nature of the Christ's forgiveness thinking it provides an excuse to dispense with the keeping of His Law which is eternal and unchanging. Sin is the violation of God's Law. In John 8:11 Jesus said "go, and sin no more."
Never did God say go do whatever you think is right in your own eyes and by your own understanding, I got you, do whatever you want. Do vile things, eat vile things, speak vile things, disregard the instruction of The Way, forget the authority, glory and remembrance of His work. Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Why seven day adventis was despising sabbath all the years untill they stoped following false time for the sabbath from Bates while simuntainisly trough all those year claimng that Ellen G. White while breaking sabbath was constantly in visions where she was traveling to "Jesus" and "He" was showing her 10-commandents where 4-th commandend was shining the strongly from all of them?
Why after such devastting sign of God's disaproval and humilitation of your church, you still are adventist and you didin't repent?
Why is it so many dispense with the facts? The Seventh-day Adventist church is twice cursed for its gospel, cursed again for its law keeping, declared to be doctrines of demons for its racism and health message and its Seer (Ellen White) is an abomination to God for her witchcraft I(green cord), necromancy, Water Witching and phrenology.
And this is the church you are comfortable in?
Greg, did you actually listen to this whole presentation? Did you listen to the conference presentations? We addressed these things throughout the conference. The law does not make us moral. It reveals SIN and Increases sin. It made us aware that we needed a Savior! God Himself indwells believers, and we have new desires. We do not want to be immoral. We want to please the Lord because He Himself is IN US. I urge you to listen to all the presentations from this weekend carefully. What you ask in your post is a moot point. No Christian who knows the Lord will even want to do those immoral deeds. What Jim says in this talk is factual. Adventism has its roots in the occult and in deception. It is a counterfeit of Christianity. Please listen carefully. He gives the sources for his statements. He is speaking the truth.
@@ColleenTinker I'm in not associated with SDA however I do share some beliefs in common. I'm certainly not the one who would be suited to give any defense except that I think the accusations of this speaker are easily recognized as bad fruit and wasn't worth listening all the way through. Did you actually read my comment all the way through? A lot of people are very confused about things very plainly stated. Fortunately I learned how to read at a fairly early age and through the significant work and sacrifice of folks like William Tyndale, Martin Luthor, Hugh Latimer to name a few, I am able to read the Bible and believe as my conscience dictates as opposed to believing what some guy says. If you think it's okay to pick and chose what commandments of Hashem to keep and remember, that is your free will option. Revelation 22:10-21 pretty much sums up my entire opinion about this conversation. I don't have anything more to add.
When I left the Adventist Church, I still thought they were right regarding the Sabbath. However, as I studied the Bible more, I realized that the Sabbath which was a shadow of what was to come was fulfilled in Christ. This is what Paul was referring to when he said, “So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.” (Col. 2:16-17 NKJV).
In Hebrews 3:7-4:11, the concept of a permanent rest in Jesus is stated. The remaining rest referred to is in a Person not a day (Heb. 4:9). In order to understand that the context of this verse must be understood which is from Heb. 3:7-4:11. It is obvious when read in context that the rest being referred to is different than a Sabbath day.
No apostle in the New Testament ever stated that the Sabbath day was to be observed.
Paul when referring to the Sabbath he did so indicating that Sabbath observance is not required. Here are his statements (Col. 2:16-17 has already been mentioned).
Galatians 4:9-13 (NKJV): But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements to which you desire again to be in bondage. You observe days, and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you lest I have labored for you in vain.
Romans 14:5 (NKJV): One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
You are free in Christ to worship on Saturday, but it is not mandatory-and it is not a matter of salvation if you don’t.
Because you believe Christ "broke" the Sabbath, why do you even speak? You have no hope, you are lost and can never be saved because according to you Jesus is not the sinless, spotless lamb He claimed to be, and Jesus is no longer truth, His Word is no longer truth, and all His commandments are no longer truth, but this is what the Bible clearly defined as truth. Unfortunately, you hate truth, despise it. Your demeanor alone is that of anger, and not of love, and deception is your goal because you understand nothing about the righteousness of Christ.
Jesus Himself declared that He is the LORD of the Sabbath. And He said His Father works always abd that He does what the Father is doing. Jesus our Sabath (Sabbath means Rest) He is our Rest from works and the Law we obey the Law BECAUSE we LOVE Him. If you are in Christ you have Rest and rest means even from having to worship on a Sabbath. Every day is Holy unto the Lord to those who adore Him.
You are confused. This video was not about the Sabbath. Now address the facts and tell me why you want to be in a church condemned by the Word of God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods.
@@Stormlucy111 whether He says He works or not, so do we, by faith. What He has done for us was work, but out of love for us, and when He loves someone or all of His creation as much as He did, He died for us so we could have life. When work is done with true love, it is not work manifested. The Sabbath was made for man (to keep), not man to change the Sabbath. He is Lord of the Sabbath, the 7th Day , so why do you keep the first day that He does not claim to be Lord of? Our faith contains works, because faith without works is dead. If you love your wife, you will do extra things for her to make her job easier, but if you do it so you can get brownie points, so to be able to go out with your buddies, then it isn't love. I have never known anything that I love to do be work manifested. Hebrews 4:9 is clear "Now therefore REMAINETH a day of REST for the people of God". It remains, and the word for rest is sabbatismos, which literally means "the keeping of the Sabbath". The Bible clearly states that it remains for the people of God. Are you a person of God? He said to remember for a reason. If you don't keep the Sabbath, you are not honoring your creator, your redeemer, the one who sanctified you.
@@Stormlucy111 Jesus said , "If you love me , keep my commandments " .
Keep the 4th Commandment . " Remember my Sabbath and to keep it Holy ."
Jesus kept the Sabbath on the 7th day and that's good enough for me .
7th Day Adventist and Ellen White use the Bible as its basis . All the SDA teachings are biblicaly based ,
It should be our good pleasure to keep the law .
This speaker is very angry , BTW .
@@toddarcand6002 and you are now Judge and jury? How do you know I am not worshipping on Shabbat...I follow Jewish customs but I love Yeshua.
This guy speaks with such hatred towards Adventism that I need to look at it myself. They may have the truth for only truth can create such controversy.
Given that you ignored the topics of this talk, it is now safe to assure you are comfortable being in a cursed, Anti-Christ, doctrines of demons church founded by an Abomination to God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods
Good observation. He is lying regarding having another gospel. This is what they have as their doctrine of faith. Yes, they believe they are to give an end time message to the world, but it's not another gospel as falsely stated here.
10 The Experience of Salvation
In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our trans- gressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Saviour and Lord, Substitute and Example. This saving faith comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God’s grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God’s sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spir- it renews our minds, writes God’s law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment.
(Gen. 3:15; Isa. 45:22; 53; Jer. 31:31-34; Ezek. 33:11; 36:25-27; Hab. 2:4; Mark 9:23, 24; John 3:3-8, 16; 16:8; Rom. 3:21-26; 8:1-4, 14-17; 5:6-10; 10:17; 12:2; 2 Cor. 5:17-21; Gal. 1:4; 3:13, 14, 26; 4:4-7; Eph. 2:4-10; Col. 1:13, 14; Titus 3:3-7; Heb. 8:7-12; 1 Peter 1:23; 2:21, 22; 2 Peter 1:3, 4; Rev. 13:8.)
@@rvaillant You are now being dishonest. Are you a "Commandment Keeper?" You have been shown from GC literature what your gospel is and it is you who is now not being honest.
Still not a soul can refute this video....
Such hatred and jealousy if what you say is true let God do conviction but if we're fighting against supposedly God's Church and pull out if possible the very elect, we might get the twice curse on our head, let God do His work
Given that you ignored the topics of this talk, it is now safe to assure you are comfortable being in a cursed, Anti-Christ, doctrines of demons church founded by an Abomination to God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods
Wow, every now and then, your website pops up on you tube which is likely a result of other related searches. I have no interest in any organized religious entities. However, what you write, IMO, seems almost vitriolic in nature. Do you have some sort of supernatural relation to God to make these determinations? What if you are wrong?
I presented the facts and you did not address a single fact and bible verse presented. If you want t step into the arena of ideas, come armed next time.
Your interpretations are seriously off base. If you have a king james bible and follow the whole Bible you may learn truth.
Given that you complain, but do not come with facts refuting this talk, it is now safe to assume you are comfortable in a curse church that teaches doctrines of demons and teaches doctrines of anti-Chrsit and whose chief Seer (Ellen White) is an abomination to God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods.
Keeping a holy just and good law is a curse? Funny, the Bible says blessed are they that do His commandments so that they have a right to the tree of life. Not the hearers of the law but the doers will see salvation.
Actually it's very interesting that you mention this verse because I'm doing a deep dive study on the book of Romans. Wow did the Holy Spirit open my eyes to so many things I wasn't aware of. Paul in this verse is talking to the Jews who are claiming that they have a right to salvation because they have inherited the law. He's trying to explain to them that just by their inheritance they do not receive salvation but the law was given to them to actually keep.... but let's take it further. As you continue on Romans he unveiled the whole plan of salvation (through grace by faith In Jesus and before Jesus it was through faith in the promise) showing that both the Jews and the gentiles were basically in the same boat because neither party could keep the law perfectly or if you were a gentile you didn't have the law so basically both we not able to be saved by the law itself ... he also explains that the law is perfect and holy and just but we aren't 😮basically our need for God. This is why everything must be approached by faith. If we are trying to keep commandments, we will be just as the Jews who tried to keep the law perfectly and failed. Everything we do must be by faith. When we realize that the law is perfect and we cannot uphold the law perfectly, we then are able to have Christ bare fruit in us. It keeps us humble, it makes us understand how perfect the law is... and how we are to be in agreement with God that we have a sin nature in this flesh and our only hope is the blood atonement of Jesus Christ that truly took away our sins past present future. It is only then where the fruit of the spirit which will not be burned up will be the fruit that is from the good tree. I hope this makes sense!
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA For the record, I am NOT an Adventist. However, Sabbath observance is one of the most repeated Commandments in Scripture. The is no updated Commandment to abandon its observance. In fact, Paul told Timiothy that the Scriptures he had from his youth were the instructions in righteousness. The only Scriptures Timothy had from his youth were the Torah and the Prophets.
The problem now becomes the definitionof "faith." The Hebrew word means "steadfastness." If I have faith, I am faithfiul. If I am faithful to my spouse, I conduct myself in ways that demostrate steadfast belief in the relationship. Faith is the actions that reflect my belief. It is not a mental exercise. It is not "Oh, I have faith, but I am going to do whatever I see fit in my own eyes." Even the Greek word "pistis" has the connotation of behavior above thought.
Before Jesus came, faith in the Messiah's arrival was demonstrated by obedience to the Law. The blood of bulls and goats showed the need for an atoning sacrifice. It did not give that atonement. It was only a shadow.
When the men lowered their sick friend into the room where Jesus was, the Bible says Jesus saw their faith. What He saw was the action they took that demonstrated He had the power to heal. He did not read their minds.
It is not a matter of keeping the Law perfectly. We have all sinned. It is a matter of choosing which Law to obey. We can obey YHVH's Law and receive life, or we can obey the laws of Rome and die. Romans 6:15-16
Romans 8:7 says the carnal mind is hostility against God. The carnal mind cannot, and will not submit to the authority of YHVH's Law.
Observing the Sabbath is obeying YHVH's law. Observing Sunday is obeying Rome. The Torah protects us from obeying their law. That is why it is the schoolmaster that leads us to the Messiah. When I graduated from school I did not abandon what I learned. Why would I have gone in the first place?
I am just wondering myself, if the law was not to be kept because it cannot be kept as some claim here, why would God insist on jews to keep it if it cannot be kept? Why would David say so often that he kept the law of God? I mean the commandments are allover the bible, what are they for?
Most evangelicals have never understood the SDA position, why are they forcing the claim that SDA are keeping the law to be saved? While that's not true.?
I see the hate and anger in the presenter, amd comments, I am amazed.
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA You found the Truth because you searched for it. I wish everyone could be more like you friend.
@@SagangaKapaya It's then you remember the full armour of God.
Let's see who will be punished by Jesus, when He is coming again. You or Adventists!! Because I see you are filled with full hatred.
To expose a false gospel is not hatred.
To pretend that a false gospel is not a false gospel, is real hatred.
Thank You for being the 112th Adventist to complain and whine about the video and not able to refute a single fact presented. Bravo!
Right hand of satan
Yes, we all know its EGW
@@nonconformist4802 Agree, ellen White is the right hand of Satan
Dear Acadamea.....I can see that you folk are truly confused, as per Revelation 13:15.....You would greatly benefit by joining the boys on Adventist Defense League on their Saturday night You Tube Livestream...any Saturday night, and tell them what Adventists are teaching incorrectly......Are you game to jump on for a live debate? I hope so.....Invite Myles, or anyone you can think of.....I guarantee, you Will need help for this.....
Given that you ignored the topics of this talk, it is now safe to assure you are comfortable being in a cursed, Anti-Christ, doctrines of demons church founded by an Abomination to God.
Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods