The apocalyptic darkness of Bruckner's 8
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2024
- My favourite symphony of all time and perhaps one of my favourite opening melodic motifs, which borrows the rhythm from the main theme of the first movement in Beethoven's 9. The theme is largely chromatic and seems to emerge out of nothing, even leading Heinrich Schenker to liken it to "the beginning of the world." Just listen to the incredibly cutting dissonance from the Gb in the melody against the pedal F and you might get a hint of the expressivity that Bruckner pursues in the rest of the work. Influence from Wagner is evident in the ambiguous harmonies and Bruckner seems to constantly evade the central tonality of C minor as much as he can, prolonging the harmonic tension and releasing it finally at a cadence. These harmonic sequences proved to be quite hard to reduce formally but I've provided a general oversight on the harmonic devices used.
Recording (Karajan): • Bruckner - Symphony No...
Arguably Bruckner's finest work. The Adagio always moves me to tears.
Absolutely!
His 9th ia the greatest piece of music ever written
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@@Hastenforthedawm classical music fans can never say that they just like a piece of music
It's always gotta break the universe with its brilliance, and everyone seems to think everyone else is stupid for not liking their thing which is the best thing
The 3rd movement of Bruckner's 8th is easily the most ethereal work of genius in all music up to that point.
Really? Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, etc.??? Definitely ethereal though.
Nah
None of them came close (and not like they could, given much more limited background) @telephilia
This is First movement.. Or not?
This is First movement.. Or not?
Bruckner always hits something deep in my soul. Unexplainable feeling!
Everything about this symphony is sublime.
I think about this symphony almost every day, even if I don't listen to it. There's something truly, truly special about Symphony 8. And that Adagio man...
This is the classical music version of “how often do you think about the Roman Empire?”
@@Lukas-se9bu I'm kinda stuck because I think about Ancient Rome almost every day too 😂
One of my most favorite symphonies.
8th?
Speaking of overlooking the eighth…
@@skylarlimex my bad, got lost in thought about 8th and 9th and mistook thouse two😅
i was thinking why 9th is often overlooked in comparison to 4th and 8th
7 th!! Listen!
Thank you for posting this it deepens my listening and enjoyment. I'm now going to revisit my bruckner recordings.
I still remember hearing Bruckner 8 for the first time. A Boston Symphony live performance, broadcast on the radio late on a school night in the 1970s. I was hooked.
Very very cool videos 😍
Masterpieces.
I love it
Lovely.
This is very nice.
Bruckner is just awesome.
Love all your stuff: i would say Ab minor is a good substitute of G7 (at least i use the bVIm quite often that way 😅). Many thanks for these videos ❤.
Interesting way to think about it! Over here I would say the Ab minor is just a passing chord into the B dominant 7 - when the repeat comes the music just passes directly into the Bdom7
I came to the conclusion that people who call the 8th symphony "apocalyptic" and "dark" have never listened to the 9th. It's the only explanation to this madness.
Unfortunately the 8th keeps being called dark when it actually is just tragically nostalgic or solemnly pathetic; overall not dark at all, instead such a bright and glorious statement to life like nothing the post-romantic era has seen.
Bruckner the Greatest Symphonist ever
Fuck yeah!
Малер "воспринял" фактуру вступления для своей второй симфонии
По драматизму соизмеримо с 6 симфонией Чайковского
listen to the beginning of Celi's recording, the clarinet-response in bar 5 is played by the bassoon (same notation, but read in bas-clef and played by bassoon) sounds far more logic, then this... That clarinet-5th puzzled me since the 1st time I heard this symphony. Meanwhile I have about 50 recordings of it.
Spoiler alert: 0:53 might give you goosebumps! (But you have to let build up the tension beforehand)
I guess I'm pro-Apocalypse then...
darkness? in Bruckner? really?
do you know nothing of the mysterium tremendum?
google it, it is real thing and Bruckner's work is utterly saturated with it.
this is awe. majesty and glory, for in God - who was the subject of every note Bruckner ever wrote - THERE IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL
"Darkness" for Nazi in 1943 ( Stalingrad "tragedy" for Hitler, mourning radio translation adagio in Berlin. Funeral music for Deutchland 3 Reich.
Nice description.
But the goal of music is not music in itself, my friend, but emotion.
And this needs a real exploration.
If composers only worked with emotion, no work would get finished.
"Apolcalyptic darkness"- really? Apocalyptic means revelalatory, uncovering... the opposite of dark! Get yourself some education, brother.
oh yay, Dictionary Hitler has arrived
This music is absolutely TERRIBLE!!!
.... Terribly GREAT!!! 😅
what is this apocalyptic adjective about? I don't get it. The music is not apocalyptic, sorry. An event can be apocalyptic, The world can become apocalyptic, but music is never apocalyptic. Emotional stimulus which is supposed to be affected by Bruckner's 8th symphony can also never be apocalyptic. Describing Bruckner's 8th symphony as "apocalyptic" is phony, simply wrong, wrong usage of the adjective, and wrong connotation of the music idea of Bruckner. Did Bruckner ever intend this work, his 8th symphony to be "apocalyptic", if yes, how would you know?
Come on guys, be honest, be analytic and do research before repeating someone else's wrong and phony "apocalyptic" description to Bruckner's 8th symphony (which is also wrong, it cannot be apocalyptic)
After all, don't attribute a great work with a description which the composer himself has never intended. Sorry guys.
Perhaps that's not what Bruckner was going for, but the beauty of music is the subjectiveness. I would agree with the title for this piece, and you don't, and Bruckner may think what the both of us think. There is no "wrong way" to perceive music, even if the composer dissagrees
@@zephthezquirrellord of course, audience has been giving musical works epithets, sometimes, people even think that such epithets are from the composer. For instance, Beethoven's fifth symphony, how many people know and call this symphony the "fate" symphony? I guess many. But it does not change the fact that Beethoven himself did not use this name and did not intend this epithet to be used for this symphony. This is obvious in musicology and thorough research done for over 2 centuries. But of course, it is not "wrong" to give epithets to musical works because, as you said it correctly, it is a matter of subjectiveness in people's perception of a musical work, it reflects people's feeling when listening to it and react to this multifold of tonal, harmonic materials. So I guess it is not wrong to use an epithet as long as it makes sense.
In my previous comment, I just wanted to pinpoint that, according to research and Bruckner's manuscripts, he never used any epithet, certainly not "apocalyptic" for his 8th symphony. In fact my subjective perception of it is not "apocalyptic" but "mysterious". Bruckner spoke of this work: „Meine Achte ist ein Mysterium!“ ... - my Eighth, it is a mysterious work...
Bruckner finds something he likes and does it again. And does it again. And does it again. And does it again. Usually slowly. And vast bloated tedious length. Zzzzzzzz.
You're not averse to that yourself, though without the beauty and feeling...
I agree totally.
Replace darkness by shallowness and you're nearer to the truth. Anton Bruckner's music is one big sham.