10 Ridiculously Underplayed Symphonies

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  • @dwdei8815
    @dwdei8815 10 місяців тому +14

    Shostakovich 4 is a superlative monument to musical courage, genius, complexity and emotional impact. There isn't a dull second in it.
    Unfortunately, tragically, it is massively overshadowed by his 5th, a work of genius without doubt, but his coerced retraction, under the heel of totalitarianism, of that earlier daring and freedom.
    Like you I could nominate dozens more, but let's keep it at that.

  • @markgibson6654
    @markgibson6654 11 місяців тому +20

    Love the Nielsen 5th and have neen blown away by the Martinu 4th, especially the slow movement and that awesome finale. Grateful for the mention of those two. Thanks David!

    • @walterq3
      @walterq3 10 місяців тому +1

      Great you enjoyed Martinu 4. I highly recommend you listen to his Symphony 3 too. It has a darker mood but fascinating textures.

    • @markgibson6654
      @markgibson6654 10 місяців тому

      Will do . Thank you!

  • @williammchugh5395
    @williammchugh5395 10 місяців тому +9

    I just last week attended a performance of the Nielsen 5th, with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra under Paavo Järvi. A fine performance of a fine work!

  • @d.r.martin6301
    @d.r.martin6301 11 місяців тому +84

    Tchaikovsky Third, "Polish." An underappreciated gem. Exuberant and tuneful as they come. Also, even more obscure, but a delight--Kalinnikov Sym. 1.

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 10 місяців тому +18

      Kallinikov, absolutely. And these days, how often do we get Borodin's great 2nd?

    • @Bucky55
      @Bucky55 10 місяців тому +9

      Love the Tchaikovsky. Couldn't agree more 👍🏻

    • @sjc1204
      @sjc1204 10 місяців тому +9

      Agree completely about Tchaikovsky's third.
      My first exposure to Kalinnikov was Kuchar's album (Naxos) and I was hooked.

    • @FREDGARRISON
      @FREDGARRISON 10 місяців тому +6

      Glad you mentioned Tchaikovsky's Third. Very tuneful after you get past the slow beginning. Plus you get 5 movements instead of 4.

    • @johannesbluemink4581
      @johannesbluemink4581 10 місяців тому +1

      Oh, yes, Kallinokov. I was in New York in the Autmn of 1990, and heard it in the Concert-hall (sorry, forgot the name). A female conductor. I was hooked at once!

  • @kylejohnson8877
    @kylejohnson8877 10 місяців тому +23

    This is the kind of content I always look forward to from you, Dave! I had the immense pleasure and rare opportunity to perform Nielsen 5 last week (I'm a cellist) - what a thrilling and singular work of genius! It's probably the most difficult orchestral piece I've ever played, especially the 2nd movement with its jumpy chromatic string ostinatos and lightning-fast initial fugue. My own list would probably look something like this:
    -Hugo Alfvén: Symphony No. 3
    -Malcolm Arnold : Symphony No. 5
    -Kurt Atterberg: Symphony No. 3 "West Coast Pictures"
    -Joly Braga Santos: Symphony No. 4
    -Alfredo Casella: Symphony No. 3 (Sinfonia)
    -Howard Hanson: Symphony No. 3
    -George Lloyd: Symphony No. 5
    -Albéric Magnard: Symphony No. 4
    -Erkki Melartin: Symphony No. 3
    -Ernest John Moeran: Symphony in G minor
    Not only do I think these are among the most unjustly underplayed symphonies in the repertoire, but they're among my all-time favorite works of classical music - underplayed or not!

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 місяців тому +8

      That's a wonderful but very different list. I was trying to stick to works by major composers (with a couple of exceptions), or works that do well on recordings but that we almost never hear live.

    • @tommyron
      @tommyron 10 місяців тому +3

      Hi Kyle! I guess I don't have to tell you that I'm always happy to see the Moeran getting some love. Right on!

    • @GrantFredereckZen
      @GrantFredereckZen 10 днів тому +2

      Whoah.. Some great choices. Glad to see the Arnold 5th, Braga Santos 4th, and the Moeran- those are all top shelf. I'd tend to go with the Atterberg 5th, Hanson 2nd, Casella's 2nd and I';d have to add the Ivanovs 4th. But a lot of 20th century masterpieces.

    • @kylejohnson8877
      @kylejohnson8877 10 днів тому

      @@GrantFredereckZen I could’ve easily picked Atterberg 5, Hanson 2, and Casella 2 instead! Don’t know Ivanovs 4 yet - must check it out.

  • @James-ll3jb
    @James-ll3jb 10 місяців тому +9

    Found Prokofiev #6 last week. Whoa! What a delight!😊

  • @sleepjar7013
    @sleepjar7013 10 місяців тому +2

    So glad you mentioned Piston 4. I own the Schwarz/Seattle recording and love it. Great topic! Once again I now have a list of new things to eagerly check out. Thank you!

  • @josephdiluzio6719
    @josephdiluzio6719 12 днів тому +1

    SGAMBATI, Bravo ! Thank you Mr H once again.
    A personal note about this composer: every time I visit my beloved Rome, a Promenade just beyond the Spanish Steps impels me to look up to a placard dedicated to him relating his relationship for instance with Franz Liszt

  • @tortuedelanuit2299
    @tortuedelanuit2299 10 місяців тому +34

    I can't resist chipping in with ten recent favorites that seem underplayed.
    Haydn 75
    Kalinnikov 1
    Bloch Symphony in C-sharp minor
    Elgar 2
    Schmidt 2
    Stenhammar 2
    Myaskovsky 6
    Bliss A Colour Symphony
    Dohnányi 2
    Hanson 6

    • @balok63a40
      @balok63a40 10 місяців тому

      I think that you meant Schmidt 4

    • @tortuedelanuit2299
      @tortuedelanuit2299 10 місяців тому

      @@balok63a40 No, Schmidt 4 is also underplayed, but not as badly as Schmidt 1 or 2

    • @waukee321
      @waukee321 10 місяців тому

      Dohnanyi had some great pieces.
      Haydn: Symphony #53 (The Imperial) a lively piece that has several alternate endings.

    • @rupertaustin
      @rupertaustin 10 місяців тому +1

      Yes, Hanson 6. A recent discovery of mine which I absolutely love. Kalinnikov 1 is good too - my son recently played clarinet in a student performance of that symphony and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I have done some listening to Myaskovsky symphonies and number 22 (B minor) is one that caught my ears, but ilI will try the one you mention, also the Bloch as I love some of his music but didn't know there was a symphony.

    • @tortuedelanuit2299
      @tortuedelanuit2299 10 місяців тому

      @@rupertaustin Thanks a lot for reinfecting me with the ear worm march from the last movement of Myaskovsky 22!

  • @glennportnoy1305
    @glennportnoy1305 11 місяців тому +17

    Great video, Dave! Maybe there is some hope for us, at least here in Philadelphia. The following may not qualify as underplayed, but over the past couple of seasons we heard::
    Berwald Sinfonie Singuliere
    Weill Symphony no. 2
    Shostakovich Symphony No. 4
    Scheduled for next season:
    Prokofiev Symphony No. 6
    Lutoslawski Symphony No. 4
    My personal Wish List :
    Gade Symphony No. 1
    Tubin Symphony No. 3

    • @NealSchultz
      @NealSchultz 10 місяців тому +2

      Tubin is a FABULOSO symphonist.....

    • @jrgptr935
      @jrgptr935 11 днів тому

      Ja, leider wird Edvard Tubin so gut wie nie gespielt, einer der Großen des Baltikums! Einmal, ein einziges Mal habe ich im Radio ein Stück von ihm gehört!

    • @jrgptr935
      @jrgptr935 11 днів тому

      Ich hab noch eine: Hans ROTT 1

  • @garytee5129
    @garytee5129 10 місяців тому +12

    Wonderful list. Enjoying Haydn 102 now with Sinopoli and the Philharmonia. Thank you.
    May I add 3 for your consideration:
    Bax No. 6
    Barber No. 1
    Vaughn-Williams No. 3

    • @NealSchultz
      @NealSchultz 10 місяців тому

      Love some music from the Planet Baxia. Oh my gosh, the Bax symphony 1-2. WOW!

  • @ycloon
    @ycloon 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you so much for breathing new life into my symphonic listening! Your video has renewed my interest in some symphonies that I've heard and forgotten and introduced new symphonies (and their composers) to me. And your mocking delivery of, "palace of culture" is absolutely priceless. Who said classical music commentary has to be wholly somber and judicious? I say give me a bit of good-natured cheekiness anytime. I'll keep on listening!

  • @johnmarchington3146
    @johnmarchington3146 9 днів тому +1

    I've heard the Prokofiev 6th in concert once and have the superb Jarvi recording. I agree with your comments about the Martinu symphonies. I also have the Piston 2, 4 and 6 with Gerard Schwarz and the Tilson Thomas/Boston recording of the 2nd as well. I recently bought the Melbourne SO recording of the Dvorak 5 and 6 and was surprised at how good it is. Both symphonies are magnificent works and I love them.

  • @digital-classics
    @digital-classics 10 місяців тому +6

    All excellent choices! My only addition might be the Asrael Symphony by Suk - as "underperformed" (shall we say) as it is intense.

  • @rupertaustin
    @rupertaustin 10 місяців тому +20

    Joseph Suk's incredibly emotional Asrael Symphony is worth a mention as an underplayed symphonic masterpiece. So worth a listen by anyone who is unfamiliar with it.

    • @andrewbarrow3466
      @andrewbarrow3466 10 місяців тому +2

      A wonderful work. The finale is, for me, deeply moving. Played a lot in Czechia, not so much in the United Kingdom.

  • @daviddavenport9350
    @daviddavenport9350 11 місяців тому +11

    Haydn 102...absolutely! But then the whole of the London symphony sets are extraordinary in inventiveness.....I have a lovely little book called Haydn in London....and it describes how unbelieveably busy Haydn was in churning out music for his two stays there....I dont know how a single man accomplished all he did there!

    • @joebloggs396
      @joebloggs396 10 місяців тому +1

      97 I always loved. Listen to the Tanglewood orchestra in it.

  • @611407
    @611407 10 місяців тому +2

    Thank you Mr. Hurwitz for your enlightening talk. I want to point out though, that the NY Phil performed two of these symphonies recently: the Prokofiev 6 this past November, conducted by Paavo Jarvi; and the Dvorak 5 last February 2023, under the baton of Ruth Reinhardt. I was at both and enjoyed the Dvorak immensely, the Prokofiev not so much, but I'll have to give it another chance now that I've heard your advocacy for the work here.

  • @leoinsf
    @leoinsf 11 днів тому

    Thank you for your spectacular review of these symphonies!
    I do wish you could have had some of these playing while you talked.
    So many of these are hard to find!!!

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 днів тому

      It's difficult to do that with UA-cam due to copyright restrictions.

  • @andresklavierraum
    @andresklavierraum 11 місяців тому +10

    Paavo Jarvi and the Tonhalle Zurich programmed Nielsen's 5th together wit Bartok's second violin concerto just a couple of weeks ago. What an amazing pairing and what a wonderful evening it was! Unfortunately it did not fill up the venue as it happened in some other recent concerts, which caused a couple of critics/comments on the local press. A bit sad. I hope they continued programming this less played repertoire and people get more curious about them as they get more air play.

  • @daviddavenport9350
    @daviddavenport9350 11 місяців тому +17

    My doctoral thesis was on Nielsen's percussion writing in the Clarinet Concerto, the 4th and 5th Symphonies....AND I had the good fortune to play all of those pieces (right around the time I was completing the paper!).....on the 5th....there is that magic coda to the first movement (section) in which the solo clarinet sings this plaintive chant softly and softly and the snaredrum echos from off stage his "fascist" tattoo...
    the conductor came up to me after the performance and said he would always remember the way the clarinetist and I did that bit!

    • @ouwebrood497
      @ouwebrood497 10 місяців тому

      The fifth of Nielsen is so awesome. I like the 'chaotic' way of it. It's a nice blend between the energetic 4th and the odd 6th.

    • @shirleyrombough8173
      @shirleyrombough8173 10 місяців тому

      I wish he'd have played parts of many of these works.

  • @martinhaub6828
    @martinhaub6828 11 місяців тому +8

    There is so much music, so many symphonies, that aren't played or heard. It would be nice if summer music festival took the opportunity to explore some the lesser known repertoire. But nowadays they all just regurgitate the same old, tired, worn out repertoire from the regular season. There is one festival, Leon Botstein's Bard Festival, that concentrates on obscure music, but he's out there alone. Thank God for recordings!

    • @jackarcher7495
      @jackarcher7495 11 місяців тому +3

      I agree. However great they are -- and they are great -- how many times do you want to hear the Beethoven 7, the Brahms 4 and the Mozart 40 in concert? There's so much more you'd like to hear, and discover.

    • @NealSchultz
      @NealSchultz 10 місяців тому

      @@jackarcher7495I am tired of all three of those. Down with War Horses!!!

  • @sjc1204
    @sjc1204 10 місяців тому +3

    Such a great list and a to-do list for listening.
    I've never understood the lack of Roussel's second recordings. As you remarked, it must be the quiet ending.
    I would really like to hear Martinů's fourth symphony live... okay any Martinů symphony live and I don't understand why his symphonies aren't not programmed more.
    Before the pandemic, I was lucky to hear San Francisco with Salonen perform Nielsen's 5th symphony. The audience, including me, lost our minds when it was over. I remember discussing the performance with a few people on the way out and how powerful it came across. The snare drummer had some very cool lighting effects which increased the impact that much more.

  • @MartinRobidoux
    @MartinRobidoux 11 місяців тому +5

    Very important publication!
    Thank you so much Dave for your work!

  • @twwc960
    @twwc960 10 місяців тому +2

    This is a great and informative video. I really like your choices. I'm very happy you included Piston's 4th symphony. I personally don't think Eugene Ormandy ever made a finer recording than his mono recording of Piston's 4th with the Philadelphia Orchestra. As fine as Schwarz's recording is, Ormandy's recording has a rhythmic vitality and soaring lyricism that remain unmatched.
    I'm also glad you included Dvořák's 5th symphony as well. I've always liked it better than the 6th which seems to get played more often. But my pick would be his 4th symphony, which is almost never played. I think it's really an undiscovered masterpiece. The slow movement is somewhat Wagnerian, but there's nothing wrong with that if it fits into the conception of the symphony which it does here. And the last two movements are thrilling and if played well should get an enthusiastic ovation from the audience who will no doubt go home humming the tunes. Every time I hear a recording of this glorious and engaging work (I've never heard it live and probably never will) I think to myself it is one of the most underrated symphonies ever written.

  • @anttivirolainen8223
    @anttivirolainen8223 11 місяців тому +17

    On my own list, I would also include Szymanowski's Symphony No. 3 and No. 4, among others. Szymanowski is one of the most underrated musical geniuses. I agree that many lesser-known gems in Haydn's symphonic repertoire deserve far more attention. I appreciated it when John Storgårds, during his tenure as the chief conductor of the Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra, regularly performed some of those Haydn symphonies that, due to the lack of a nickname or other reasons, have remained in the shadow of his more famous works.

    • @daviddavenport9350
      @daviddavenport9350 11 місяців тому +4

      The Sturm und Drang symphonies of the 1770s come immediately to mind! Masterpieces all!

    • @tonyanderton3521
      @tonyanderton3521 10 місяців тому +3

      I agree regarding Szymanowski 3.

    • @martinlest
      @martinlest 10 місяців тому +1

      Szymanowski's Stabat Mater. A stunning, spiritual masterpiece. If you know it, you will understand why I make the comment (even though it's not a symphony!). If not, well, it's here on UA-cam of course. Once heard, never forgotten.

    • @tonyanderton3521
      @tonyanderton3521 10 місяців тому

      @@martinlest Thanks for the recommendation, Martin. I'm just trying to get in to Dvorak's Stabat Mater at the moment, having heard that for the first time only a few days ago. I'll certainly try Szymanowski's next.

    • @nickgoldring1446
      @nickgoldring1446 11 днів тому

      "...lack of a nickname..."
      Unbelievable, if true

  • @petertimoney3436
    @petertimoney3436 10 місяців тому +6

    I was lucky to hear the Roussel 2 with the RSNO under Stephane Deneve. They played the cycle of 4 symphonies and ballet scores live about the same time they were getting recording. I started going to concerts just after Neeme Jarvi left so I don't know if he played his recorded Prokofiev cycle live although I did get to hear the No. 6 as part of a full cycle years later under Alexander Lazarev.

  • @JohnOdermott
    @JohnOdermott 10 місяців тому +1

    Here's an obscure one most people have never heard of: Symphony No. 1 by Carl Derfler, a modern day composer and educator in the Pacific Northwest. About 25 years ago I heard a community orchestra play this piece, and it was delightful and quite good.

  • @billhamilton
    @billhamilton 7 місяців тому +2

    My favorite Dvořák symphony by far is the 6th. I've heard it only once or twice in concert, which amazes me. It should replace the ridiculously overplayed 9th at least part of the time. I have the complete symphonies conducted by Kertész and listen to the 6th frequently.

  • @simonalbrecht9435
    @simonalbrecht9435 11 місяців тому +7

    Ernst Toch! I've only gotten to listening to his 1st one, but it's an incredible masterpiece.

  • @Dan6erous
    @Dan6erous 10 місяців тому +2

    Dvorak 6 - I've conducted it twice and love it! Audiences do too.

  • @LinaWainwright
    @LinaWainwright 10 місяців тому +4

    Dvorak is such an underplayed composer. Him and Mahler are my favourite composers, and whilst there's always some concert with Mahler on, you pretty much never see any Dvorak, and if you do, it's pretty much always the same set of pieces... the last couple of symphonies and the cello concerto (which are still amazing pieces of music). All of Dvorak's symphonies are worth listening to. They're some of the best ever written! On a side note, I've played the 1st movement of Dvorak's 5th on the clarinet and it's really fun ...I mean, do people even know this composer exists? Sometimes it doesn't feel like it. Nobody talks about his requiem, almost as if it weren't one of the most incredible, powerful, nostalgic... pieces/requiems ever written. His piano trios, slavonic dances and symphonic poems are also quite good, as well as his piano concerto, which is probably overshadowed by his other two concertos (cello and violin). I just wish Dvorak was given more attention...

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 місяців тому +1

      Me too!

    • @jrgptr935
      @jrgptr935 11 днів тому

      Und es ist äußerst interessant, neben den Dvorakschen Symphonien mal die von Florence Price zu hören! (Oder neben denen Bthvns die von Emilie Meyer!). And it is extremely interesting to hear Florence Price's symphonies alongside Dvorak's! (Or Emilie Meyer's alongside Bthvn's!).

  • @dionbaillargeon4899
    @dionbaillargeon4899 10 місяців тому +27

    In fact, Dvorak 3-7 are all criminally underplayed.

    • @connormonday
      @connormonday 10 місяців тому +4

      Is 7 really underplayed? I’ve played it four times in the last six years. It’s a great piece, though. Easily better than 8 in my opinion.

    • @dionbaillargeon4899
      @dionbaillargeon4899 10 місяців тому +2

      @@connormonday It may vary from country to country. Where I live I've rarely seen it, as opposed to 8 and 9. Be that as it may No. 3-6 definitely are. I've seen 6 and 5 programmed ONCE in 20 years, and never been able to see either 3 or 4.
      I love my Bruckner and Mahler, but they are getting ridiculously overplayed, at the expense of everyone else.

    • @threethrushes
      @threethrushes 10 місяців тому +2

      @@dionbaillargeon4899In Bruckner's bicentenary year, I'm not complaining. Recently heard Bruckner 6 in Prague by Rattle.

    • @dionbaillargeon4899
      @dionbaillargeon4899 10 місяців тому +1

      @@threethrushes I completely forgot about the bicentenary! And I can also indulge in some Bruckner 6th. The first movement is quite extraordinary.

    • @samuelstephens6163
      @samuelstephens6163 10 місяців тому +1

      I really love Dvorak 3!

  • @lukestables708
    @lukestables708 9 місяців тому

    Honestly, I feel this is one of the best videos you've done and very enlightening. I confess I love Prokofiev but can't remember off the top of my head the 6th symphony at all, I will have to listen to it at the first opportunity, but I feel you are spot on here, as usual in your very witty, funny and erudite style. And also, you are one of the few Americans I know who can do a good British accent so kudos there too!

  • @stephenmccarthy3072
    @stephenmccarthy3072 10 місяців тому +3

    Thank you Dave for this video; I'm finally back from holiday and can dive into all of the videos I've missed! I would explicitly nominate the Symphony in F Major, Op. 14 ("Polonia") by Emil Mlynarski. One of the most memorable first subjects I've ever heard, and beautiful use of a motto theme - plus one of the most economically powerful funeral marches in any symphony. There's a Warner recording with the Warsaw Philharmonic under Jacek Kaspszyk, but no professional performances of which I'm aware. Others I love are by composers you or others have mentioned (e.g. Martinu 1, Borodin 2, Nielsen 2, Walton 1, Hanson 2, Bliss "A Colour Symphony", Glazunov 5) or that you've explicitly plugged in other videos - Rorem 3 (and 2 for that matter!) and Kurka 2 are ones for which I'm particularly grateful. Many thanks again!

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 місяців тому

      You're welcome, but I was trying to list works by major composers, not great works by (mostly) unfamiliar composers (of which there are a billion or two).

    • @rogergersbach3300
      @rogergersbach3300 10 місяців тому

      Thanks for mentioning Emil Mlynarski, Stephen. Interesting composer even if not on topic.

  • @musicianinseattle
    @musicianinseattle 10 місяців тому +3

    Excellent shortlist. For the record, Schwarz/Seattle Symphony played the Roussel No. 2 early in Schwarz's tenure as music director. Wonderful piece.

  • @bbailey7818
    @bbailey7818 10 місяців тому +3

    A perfect list.
    I recently heard a concert of the Rustic Wedding Symphony with Dvorak's Carnival Overture as opener. They were cunningly separated by something completely different--Delius! Believe it or not, it worked beautifully.

  • @swansbourne
    @swansbourne 11 місяців тому +11

    Dave, I’d love to hear some day your take on Karlowicz’s Symphony.

  • @TheBuzzKill
    @TheBuzzKill 10 місяців тому +7

    There is indeed at least one mono recording (from 1954) of Piston's symphony No. 4. It's in the big Ormandy Columbia Legacy box coupled with William Schuman's Symphony No. 6.

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 10 місяців тому +1

      Ormandy gave the premiere of Martinu's 4th. I have the aircheck. Shame on Columbia for not taking it into the studio. Leinsdorf's live in 1948 with the Rochester Phil was excellent for the period, sharp and alert to all the rhythmic quirks and constant syncopations.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 місяців тому +1

      That's right!

    • @bumblesby
      @bumblesby 10 місяців тому +1

      Yes! I love this CD and have listened to it several times. I really enjoyed the W. Schuman too.

  • @miltonjohnston1683
    @miltonjohnston1683 11 місяців тому +30

    I’d add Chausson’s single symphony.

  • @vanhouten64
    @vanhouten64 10 місяців тому +5

    The Goldmark symphony is indeed fantastic. I had never heard it before (nor had I heard of Goldmark) until you mentioned it a few weeks ago!

    • @jrgptr935
      @jrgptr935 11 днів тому

      Als Opernkomponist (Königin von Saba) ist er bekannter; dieses Schicksal teilt er mit Erich Wolfgang Korngold, von dem uns die Opern, das Violinkonzert, die Filmmusiken geläufig sind, die Existenz seiner Symphonik ist weithin unbekannt. He is better known as an opera composer (Queen of Sheba); he shares this fate with Erich Wolfgang Korngold, whose operas, violin concerto and film scores are familiar to us, but the existence of his symphonic works is largely unknown.

  • @Wolfcrag85
    @Wolfcrag85 10 місяців тому +5

    Dvorak's 5th is a gem, especially, in the Rowicki recording.

  • @Janaceks_Dad
    @Janaceks_Dad 10 місяців тому +3

    I don’t believe there are any underrated Haydn symphonies…he wrote so many of them, and practically all are complete masterpieces…they’re all great

  • @antonior.revueltapuigdolle6643
    @antonior.revueltapuigdolle6643 10 місяців тому +3

    Please, do many more such reviews and help us (re)discover more good music. Thanks.

  • @stefanhorlitz
    @stefanhorlitz 10 місяців тому +6

    I heard it's difficult to play, but Franz Schmidt 2 is such a cornucopia of masterful harmonies, counterpoint and it's just a smashing piece as a whole.

    • @robertwalker2052
      @robertwalker2052 10 днів тому +1

      His fourth is a phenomenon, too.

    • @stefanhorlitz
      @stefanhorlitz 10 днів тому

      @@robertwalker2052 it's a friggin masterpiece. it's even played and recorded.
      But the 2nd...oh my, the variations...that woodwind introduction of the finale...and the triple counterpoint in the end. It's a blinder!

  • @mattspin5285
    @mattspin5285 10 місяців тому

    Thank you for highlighting Martinu 4 and Nielsen 5 - Prokofiev, Roussel. Great works!

  • @ericm.7921
    @ericm.7921 10 місяців тому +3

    Martinů's 4th symphony was the first work of his I ever heard performed live--I still remember it vividly, and it made me a fan of his music for life. What I can't remember, unfortunately, was the conductor...but it was with the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra in the mid '70s, back when they were a truly great orchestra under Thomas Schippers' leadership. Even more beautiful in some ways is the 5th piano concerto, a piece I have always wanted to play. Any orchestras out there in the market for an eager piano soloist? 😉

  • @rickscherer5939
    @rickscherer5939 10 місяців тому +1

    Great list, Dave! I agree with your choices, although I have never heard the Sgambati. I would like to add Walton's Second Symphony. I think it is much better than his First, but is NEVER played. I appreciate your mention of Piston's #2, which is one of my favorite works by anyone.
    I have had the good fortune of living near the Oregon Symphony, which I have heard playing Nielsen's 5 and Haydn's 102, both absolute masterpieces.
    Here is some trivia that some of your viewers might not know. The chandelier which fell from the ceiling at the performance of a Haydn symphony gave the nickname of "Miracle" to Symphony No. 96. However, the actual symphony performed at that concert was 102. Maybe if that one got the nickname it would be more frequently played. It is sad that nicknamed works seem to be played much more than others. Case in point: The only Dvořák string quartet I ever hear on the radio is the "American," even though several others are just as great.

  • @StanleyGrill
    @StanleyGrill 10 місяців тому

    Enjoyed listening to your commentary. Given my personal focus on more contemporary orchestral music, it was lovely to find the Martinu, Neilsen and Piston symphonies on your list. All three were wonderful composers generally, but their symphonies in particular deserve a far wider audience than they've received to date. And, I'd like to add Roy Harris to your list!

  • @thomasthornton5478
    @thomasthornton5478 10 місяців тому +4

    Dave, why do you love classical music so much? I love it myself but. . . wow. I didn't know anyone could love classical music more than me until I found your channel. Your level of obsession makes it seem like I am completely disinterested in the genre by comparison.

    • @SophieLeung-du9we
      @SophieLeung-du9we 10 місяців тому

      Well, I am just as geeky about classical music as he is rlly

  • @jackarcher7495
    @jackarcher7495 11 місяців тому +7

    Fascinating discussion of the Dvorak 5, which I've liked since hearing the Seattle perform it under Schwarz years back at a free concert. Thank you.

  • @kenjohnson1305
    @kenjohnson1305 10 місяців тому +2

    I fell in love with the Piston 4th when I got the Schwarz recording 30 years ago, and it turned me on to his other music. It’s a bucket-list piece I hope to get a chance to hear live. Love all these other choices, too, including the Roussel and Goldmark.

  • @kevindanielson1908
    @kevindanielson1908 10 місяців тому

    Excellent video. Couldn’t agree more about the Nielsen, Martinu and Piston!
    I would add any of the Bax symphonies and Hanson 3. Seems like an absolutely perfect neoromantic modern day masterpiece.

  • @stangibell4274
    @stangibell4274 10 місяців тому +1

    Hi, Dave, Thanks for this video. I have a fairly extensive collection of classical music. My concert going experiences are much more limited. I looked through my collection and was surprised that I do not own most of them. Apparently, they are also under recorded. It's only within the last five years that I 'discovered' and began to collect Martinu. Finding a CD of his Fourth Symphony (I also like physical product) proved daunting and, as of this writing, unresolved. What would be most helpful would be if you would identify the recordings of these works that you recommend. One of the reasons I enjoy your videos is that they inspire me to acquire works I don't know, so thanks again.

  • @1brewski2
    @1brewski2 10 місяців тому

    Lots of good tips in this session. Haydn, still improving in advanced age, saved the best for last. 102 is hardly obscure, though. Happy to see a good word for Dvorak's middle symphonies. They're worthy of a listen. And nice to see some respect for Nielsen as well. One through six are all fine works. I'll seek out the ones you mentioned that I don't know.

  • @PGBrown-qu8yz
    @PGBrown-qu8yz 7 місяців тому +1

    Also by Goldmark his underplayed and under-rated Violin Concerto No 1. I heard the Nathan Milstein recording on the BBC many years ago and was hooked.

  • @markovelikonja5399
    @markovelikonja5399 10 місяців тому +1

    I don’t know all of them, but totally agree about Nielsen 5, Martinu 4 (and the Martinu symphonies generally), Prokofiev 6, and Dvorak 5 (I also really like #3). And even more neglected is Harold Shapero’s Symphony for Classical Orchestra.

  • @KBMars
    @KBMars 10 місяців тому +5

    Thank you David. Glazunov #8 too.

  • @douglasslaton5591
    @douglasslaton5591 6 місяців тому +3

    Chausson is intriguing, as I was most impressed with his piano trio, which I performed. Martinu too (all of them, actually 19:06 ). Anyone ever hear stravinsky’s symphony in c? It’s quite nice and very accessible, but it doesn’t end the concert with a bang, so doesn’t get much play.

  • @8thman8
    @8thman8 10 місяців тому

    Bravo. Great job!
    I think a big reason many great works don't get played is because of one question that orchestra management and directors have......"will this sell tickets?"

  • @stephencoats1501
    @stephencoats1501 10 місяців тому

    Super useful. I have already listened to the Mendelssohn and it was great but what a find the Sgampati is. A really delightful work. It adds something good into my existence! A real refreshing listen. While I am unlikely to hear these works in a concert hall it is lovely to hear them at home or in the car where I heard the Sgampati. Looking forward to sampling the others but ... only after I hear Sgampati again!

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 місяців тому

      Sgambati.

    • @stephencoats1501
      @stephencoats1501 11 днів тому

      ​@@DavesClassicalGuideI rewatched this recently And I have been listening to lots of SgamBati this year but also the Roussel, the Haydn 102 and Goldmark. You are such an advocate for the great and neglected.

  • @healthrisingMECFS-FM-longCOVID
    @healthrisingMECFS-FM-longCOVID 5 місяців тому

    So many great possibilities! Love hearing about new symphonies (for me) and, of course, the history behind them 😊

  • @RModillo
    @RModillo 11 місяців тому +71

    You could put a dozen Haydn symphonies on this list. Conductors' response to having too many choices is to walk away with nothing.

    • @daviddavenport9350
      @daviddavenport9350 11 місяців тому +8

      Or 30 Haydn symphonies!

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 10 місяців тому +1

      Back in the day, Beecham often played the London sets ( even 95) and even No.40 but never touched the Paris symphonies! Baffling.

    • @joebloggs396
      @joebloggs396 10 місяців тому +2

      97 is great, it really deserved to be given a nickname like others.

    • @alwa6954
      @alwa6954 10 місяців тому

      That's true. I have two box collections of Haydn's complete symphonies and sometimes I go through them and listen to each one in sequence. There are many that I find exceptional but they get lost in the sheer number of symphonies he wrote so I end up only listening to them when I make a point of going through the entire collection. Except for his last 20 or so, those ones are more differentiated in my mind.

    • @NikoHL
      @NikoHL 10 місяців тому +1

      I've never given Haydn a chance... I'll give him a go after hearing this...

  • @rationalistssj6540
    @rationalistssj6540 10 місяців тому +4

    How about Saint-sahns symphonies 1 and 2? They are beautiful and almost never heard

  • @dirkh.44
    @dirkh.44 11 місяців тому +5

    My first introduction to Haydn 102 was on a Pearl CD. The Boston Symphony under Koussevitzky.I was flabbergasted.

    • @richardfrankel6102
      @richardfrankel6102 11 місяців тому +4

      @dirkh.44 I still love this recording!

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 10 місяців тому +1

      That was the first recording of it I ever heard. I obtained it when I was a kid at a school sale for a quarter back when everyone was getting rid of their old 78 sets. But most phonographs still played 78s. It was actually the first Haydn symphony I ever heard.

    • @michaelstearnes1526
      @michaelstearnes1526 10 місяців тому +1

      I wasn't aware that S.K. had recorded this lovely Symphony. I'll try to find it. Thanks for mentioning it.

  • @ericleiter6179
    @ericleiter6179 10 місяців тому +4

    Very good list here, I especially agree with you about the Mendelssohn, Dvorak, and Martinu...I might add the 4th symphonies of Beethoven and Shostakovich to make it a dozen, but thats just me!

    • @AlexMadorsky
      @AlexMadorsky 10 місяців тому +1

      Yes, the 4ths of LVB and DSCH are both uniquely magnificent! The Chicago Youth Symphony is playing Shostakovich’s 4th in the late spring and I’m very grateful I will have the opportunity to see this masterpiece live.

  • @ervinvice1521
    @ervinvice1521 11 місяців тому +2

    I’ve been listening to Mendelssohn’s Symphony No. 1 a lot lately. It’s great.

    • @ericleiter6179
      @ericleiter6179 10 місяців тому +2

      It really is...a very intense 1st movement especially, it could even give Beethoven a run for his money in the right performance!

  • @chrismoule7242
    @chrismoule7242 11 місяців тому +21

    Mendelssohn 1 - indeed. I don't care how young he was when he wrote it - it's brilliant. And Dvorak 5 is so nice.

  • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
    @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 11 місяців тому +6

    Richard Wetz 2 and 3, please.

  • @balok63a40
    @balok63a40 10 місяців тому +3

    In alphabetical order by composer:
    Beethoven 4
    Bruckner 6
    Chausson Symphony in Bb
    Dvorak 3
    Haydn 44 (or any of ~60 other Haydn Symphonies)
    J.M. Kraus Symphony in C# minor
    Pettersson 7
    Schmidt 4
    Sibelius 6
    Tchaikovsky 1

    • @threethrushes
      @threethrushes 10 місяців тому

      Recently heard Bruckner 6 in Prague by Rattle.

    • @MrBulky992
      @MrBulky992 6 днів тому

      ​@@threethrushesBruckner 6 is played much more than it used to be (and rightly so).

  • @intramonto
    @intramonto 10 місяців тому +3

    Speaking of "sellling the product", one of my long-running frustrations is concerts that get promoted as "featuring works by x, y and z" - as if that's enough information for a potential concertgoer to decide to part with their time and money (or worse, as if the fact that you're playing should be the only factor to entice everybody to just rush to the concert without knowing what they're going to hear).

  • @danagioia9261
    @danagioia9261 10 місяців тому

    Wonderful list. I was glad to see Walter Piston's 4th on the list. I have never once heard any of his symphonies in a concert. Several of of them are wonderful, especially the 4th. Goldmark is another composer who seems to have dropped out of the repertory.

  • @davidsilverman1741
    @davidsilverman1741 10 місяців тому +1

    I’m happy to report I heard a terrific performance of Prokofiev’s 6th by the LA Phil. Granted it was 2017 - but recent enough in my experience.

  • @tkengathegrateful4844
    @tkengathegrateful4844 10 місяців тому

    Just went and listened to the Piston #4 (Schwarz/Seattle) after watching this video. Fun and energetic movements 1, 2, and 4. A really lovely and expressive slow 3rd movement. Can't see how audiences wouldn't enjoy hearing it - it's even 'Murrican, dadgummit!

  • @sevenoranges
    @sevenoranges 10 місяців тому +2

    I'd like to add Gliere's 3rd which I love! Others include Dvorak's 6th, Franz Schmidt 2. I adore the Prokofiev 6th too and Neilsen's 2&3. Why do Neilsen's symphonies still remain so underplayed? Also a symphony that is likely to be played even less now, Ben-Haim Symphony No. 1.

  • @Jack-dt9nu
    @Jack-dt9nu 5 місяців тому

    The Nielsen has had a few outings at the Proms in recent years. Wonderful piece

  • @jimslancio
    @jimslancio 11 місяців тому +10

    Josef Bohuslav Foerster's 4th symphony.

    • @joebloggs396
      @joebloggs396 10 місяців тому +1

      Yes I found that in the 90s, around the same time as Magnard 3.

  • @possos312
    @possos312 10 місяців тому

    I have always enjoyed your comments, but when you named the Piston 4th symphony, as one of your underplayed, rather never played, works. I REALLY had a great deal of respect for you! I consider this an undiscovered gem, and I do not generally love Piston’s works. However, as a caveat, the recording that I think is really superior is not the Schwartz, but the older recording by Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra. It is so much better and so much more sensitive to the music. A great little piece.

  • @1e9n4i7gma
    @1e9n4i7gma 10 місяців тому +1

    With reference to your list (here is mine for the same works in UK from 1968 onwards professional only.Haydn 102 (6) Nielsen 5 (3) Martinu 4 (2) Prokofiev 6 (1)and Dvorak 5 (3).At this time I won't bore everyone with my list

  • @andrewhCC
    @andrewhCC 10 місяців тому +4

    After this I have just enjoyed the Sgambati no 1 - thank-you (I have heard piano concerto and a one or two chamber works). Must listen to Mendelssohn no 1.
    One symphony I am returning to from time to time is Felix Weingartner's Symphony no 2. I enjoy all four movements. The CPO recording with Marko Latonja conducting is available on UA-cam and seems to present a convincing case for the work.

  • @silentgreybox
    @silentgreybox 10 місяців тому

    It's maybe not the Piston symphony I would have picked (2, 6, and 7 are my favorites) but I'm delighted that you included him at all!

  • @jackarcher7495
    @jackarcher7495 11 місяців тому +5

    Could some of the reason why so many good-to-great symphonies such as those discussed here are so underplayed is simply that conductors and orchestras have to take the time and work to learn them, while the warhourses they do not?
    A cheer for the Martinu 4.

    • @jackarcher7495
      @jackarcher7495 11 місяців тому +4

      Well, Dave, you said it about five minutes after I posted. "They've just become lazy."

  • @stradivariouspaul1232
    @stradivariouspaul1232 10 місяців тому +1

    Its great that you have championed Dvorak's 5th as an unjustly neglected great symphony, I would love to hear your take on Dvorak's 6th which if anything seems even rarer in recording terms, where they both lose out massively to the last 'big three". If the pastoral tone of Dvorak's 5th helped to inspire Brahms'3rd, I think you can really here the influence of Brahms in Dvorak's lovely 6th symphony.

    • @ianp2911
      @ianp2911 10 місяців тому

      Dvorak 6 has a sensational scherzo.

  • @lesonyrra
    @lesonyrra 10 місяців тому

    I have a growing loathing for the word "underrated," because it seems to inevitably enter online discussions of, well, everything, and almost always with absolutely no context -- and therefore no meaning. Great list!

  • @jonathandebruyn6781
    @jonathandebruyn6781 9 місяців тому

    I played Rustic Wedding in youth orchestra, believe it or not. What a wonderful piece!

  • @cabbagepatch8947
    @cabbagepatch8947 5 місяців тому

    I admit I have not got to the end of this yet but must recommend the four symphonies by Franz Berwald. Tuneful. I have the Neeme Jarvi set.

  • @mikecopson6908
    @mikecopson6908 10 місяців тому +3

    Great and thought provoking video, Dave. Tchaikovsky’s first three symphonies are underplayed and underrated. The second movement of Tchaikovsky’s Symphony #1 is stunning.. it beautifully paints a desolate winter landscape rising to a crescendo with the brass section. Bernstein / NY Phil recording is fantastic.
    The other Tchaikovsky symphony which is underplayed, probably due to its length and complexity, is Manfred .. just a sublime work.

  • @janantonbrouwer3971
    @janantonbrouwer3971 10 місяців тому +1

    Perhaps all true. But: I so much missed the only symphony that guy wrote and is such a masterpiece: the Symphonie of Ernest Chausson. It's a kind in the style of Franck one, but also so different. And so beautiful. Heard it once by the Rotterdam Philharmonic and Michel Plasson. About Prokofiev 6: once performed by the Royal Concertgebouw and Gergiev. The audience (and I) were electrified. Hope they will issue that recording on cd.

  • @andreasbyczkowski3435
    @andreasbyczkowski3435 10 місяців тому

    Yes, and appreciating unjustly obscure works enhances one’s appreciation for the famous masterworks because one can listen to them afterwords with “freshened ears” and deeper historical context.

  • @daviddavenport9350
    @daviddavenport9350 11 місяців тому +4

    MIght I suggest that Haydns late Masses are the precursors to Beethoven's 9th Symphony? I have done a bunch of them (some more that once) and find them squarely in the mid to late Beethoven style....the Masses are all Choral Symphonies!!!

    • @dorette-hi4j
      @dorette-hi4j 10 місяців тому

      Not only the Masses. The introduction to the Creation, quite obviously.

  • @martinlest
    @martinlest 10 місяців тому

    Interesting selection: was shocked to hear the Nielsen 5th included though. Yes, one of the greatest of all symphonies. Ever. I kind of assumed it got played often. The symphony I was most happy to hear you cite is Roussel's 2nd. Wow.. what a work!! I discovered Roussel very early on (aged 13?) and made it an ambition to hear everything he ever wrote (pretty much achieved over the years!). Anyone reading this who has never heard the second symphony, well, you know what you have to do! As for Tchaikovsky (comment below): I have never got into the 3rd., his weakest by far (IMVHO!); I tried again recently, with the full score, but no joy. His real orchestral masterpiece, sadly hardly ever played, is the Manfred Symphony. Wow! No.4 (his greatest numbered symphony) on steroids. :-) Of course, Tchaikovsky being Tchaikovsky he came to dislike all of them over a short period of time. Poor man.
    (Only discovered this channel tonight! As a classical musician, am certainly going to subscribe: looking forward to the Mahler (discovered him at the age of 13 - Das Lied - and my favourite composer for over 50 years now!) cycle reviews when I get round to watching it! :-) )

  • @tommyron
    @tommyron 10 місяців тому +1

    Piston 4! YES! The late and much missed Christopher Rouse felt the same way.

  • @cimbalok2972
    @cimbalok2972 8 місяців тому

    I don't know all of the above but I love the Goldmark and the Dvorak. I'll have to check out the others.

  • @ouwebrood497
    @ouwebrood497 10 місяців тому +2

    I like to mention:
    Symphonies of Chatchaturian
    Manfred Symphony of Tchaikovsky
    Symphony 2 of Van Beethoven

  • @williamwalton2359
    @williamwalton2359 10 місяців тому

    I listened to all of these.....you were correct about all of them

  • @antonbru8
    @antonbru8 11 місяців тому +3

    I heard Prokofiev 6 live several years ago in Tokyo. The orchestra was New Japan Philharmonic; the conductor was none other than Dennis Russell Davies. The performance was OK. We had kind of a bumper year for Prokofiev 6 back then as Paavo Jarvi and Kazushi Ono took it up with NHK Symphony and Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony, respectively, all within the space of a few months as I recall.

  • @steveonmareisland5268
    @steveonmareisland5268 5 місяців тому

    I love Martinu, but number 1 is my favorite of his symphonies, which might only mean that I like it so much that I haven't listened to the others enough.
    Some years ago the Oakland East Bay Symphony was auditioning for a new conductor, and the auditioners had to guest conduct one concert each. The one I went to featured Martinu's 1st, and the conductor asked the audience how many people were familiar with it. My hand went up, along with a paltry few others. Oh well. I thoroughly enjoyed the performance, but I don't think he got the job--not sure though.

  • @nkyriazi
    @nkyriazi 10 місяців тому

    After 40 years of listening all day to classical music on the radio (WQED-FM) and attending full seasons of the Pittsburgh Symphony since 1975, I am jaded. I don't want to hear the war-horses until further notice. I was very happy to see this video of underplayed symphonies but was disappointed that I did not see any pieces by Anton Rubinstein (Tchaikovsky's composition teacher), Sergei Taneyev (one of Tchaikovsky's composition students), Franz Lachner (admired by both Rubinstein and Tchaikovsky, and friend of Franz Schubert who were both students of the same composition teacher), Joseph Joachim Raff, Zdenek Fibich, and a hundred other composers that no one plays. Max Bruch wrote three great symphonies. I was glad to see Kalinnikov mentioned. I recommend further exploration.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 місяців тому

      I recommend you explore this channel. There is a dedicated playlist called "Great Neglected Composers and Works" that alone contains 495 videos, and there are hundreds more with similar content. So please spare me your condescension. You are the one who needs further exploration.

    • @NealSchultz
      @NealSchultz 10 місяців тому

      Lachner and Bruch are great symphonists. The Lachner 1st is VERY energetic.

  • @Archimusik
    @Archimusik 10 місяців тому +6

    What? No mention of Walton’s First Symphony?! 😮
    It is hardly ever played and is one of the greatest English symphonies.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  10 місяців тому

      I've heard it several times. Walton generally seems to be on the outs.

    • @GrantFredereckZen
      @GrantFredereckZen 10 днів тому

      The first movement in particular is fantastic.

  • @citizenleung
    @citizenleung 10 місяців тому +1

    Liked (and kind of expected) your inclusion of Nielsen and Martinů. Any thoughts on Enescu or Szymanowski?

  • @cappycapuzi1716
    @cappycapuzi1716 10 місяців тому

    Haydn 102 is absolutely one of my favorites! I definitely enjoy it more than 104