Why Dips Aren’t Necessary and Over Rated
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For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life John 3:16.,
Actually there is some merit to doing this, like if you have no equipment. This is one of the three exercises that I received after asking chattin GPT about some no equipment exercises I could use to strengthen the arms. Some people in this world don't have equipment, and that's okay. People can still get games without equipment, even running with the balls of my feet onstead of plantigrade uphill. I'm not discrediting you though, clearly your muscle rutine is better than mine... As you have equipment. And i dont need tobhe swole to be healthy.
After more than 3 years of free weight compound exercises and now I only do three movements. dips on push day, pull ups on pull day and squats on leg day and only bodyweight. I feel much better than before in every aspect. Reduced excess weight, more stamina and endurance, feel easy in daily hard tasks, more athleticism than before and look younger than before.
Push ups trigger headache(NDPH) for me and it stays for months without medication so dips are favorable for me
Can anyone tell the reason for headache while doing pushups?
@@number-14Dont listen to this fraud.
Do chin ups and dips, you'll hit every muscle in your upper body, then you train legs by running, jumping skipping etc
There's also no such thing as a 'lower chest'... The chest is comprised of the Pectoralis Major which has 2 heads, the clavicular head flexes the humerus (raises upper arm) and the Sternocostal head brings your arms towards the midline and internally rotates the upper arm. The Pectoralis minor is deeper inside you and is responsible for depressing and protracting the shoulder blade. Go look at anatomical diagrams for yourself and see there is no such thing as a 'lower chest' you'll see that there is an upper chest which is called the Clavicular head and that the rest is one head, the Sternocostal head.
That means bench press and dips both work the exact same muscles but dips also work the Pectoralis minor which bench press doesn't because if you're bench pressing correctly you are holding your shoulder blade in the retracted position and not working it like you do on dips.
That's also why people who only bench press find dips hurt their shoulders because they have under developed Pectoralis minor.
There's no such thing as a 'lower chest'... The chest is comprised of the Pectoralis Major which has 2 heads, the clavicular head flexes the humerus (raises upper arm) and the Sternocostal head brings your arms towards the midline and internally rotates the upper arm. The Pectoralis minor is deeper inside you and is responsible for depressing and protracting the shoulder blade. Go look at anatomical diagrams for yourself and see there is no such thing as a 'lower chest' you'll see that there is an upper chest which is called the Clavicular head and that the rest is one head, the Sternocostal head.
That means bench press and dips both work the exact same muscles but dips also work the Pectoralis minor which bench press doesn't because if you're bench pressing correctly you are holding your shoulder blade in the retracted position and not working it like you do on dips.
That's also why people who only bench press find dips hurt their shoulders because they have under developed Pectoralis minor.
But you didn't know any of that did you? Because you're a fraud.
How about making a video where you show your degree in Sports Science?? Do you even have internationally recognised qualifications at all??
The fact that you put 4 exercises instead of dips confirm how important this exercise is
And the same we can apply to any vertical or horizontal push exercises ;)
The squat of the upper body 😎
@@CoryPchajek I'm a witness to this lol snh
@Jahan Thakur no one wants to do that bs. I’m not a stripper why I need to do tricks on a bar
@@707josh 🤣🤣🤣 this made me laugh so hard 😭 best comment
dips are one of the best exercises ever and they hit your lower chest better than any other exercise for the lower chest. dont ever disrespect the dip exercise again
Pseudo-planche push-ups already target your lower chest though which a lot of calisthenics athletes do anyways. Add dips on top of PPPU and you might get a muscle imbalance where your lower chest is way bigger than your upper chest and it will look wonky.
Also, replacing dips with HSPU or Pike push-up will also work the traps, along with the upper chest for pike push-ups.
What about beach dips
@@thatoneuser8600 dips are very easy to progressively overload for normal weight lifters since you can attach it by chain
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life John 3:16.,
Most people have over developed lower chests already. Dips just make it even worse
This is like those guys who train for 10 years and eat meat and build a great physique, then change to vegan for 1 month and claim you don't need to eat meat to build muscle
Bad analogy, you don't need meat to build muscle...
@@Bonobopantherienbionique but you get the point, like those who say barbell exercises aren't needed, but just machines, and the mfs later on neglect the fact they get 90% of their body with a barbell.
@@Bonobopantherienbionique you dont get it. That's not the point of his statement
@@RJ-is9ko It's a bad analogy regardless because it promotes a false info that many people believe in. If he said something random like banana proteins is bad then it would've been fine.
Same is the case with deadlift. You like it or not but not all exercises are needed. You can ignore dips and still build a great body and that was his point.
When i started adding dips to my routine my chest blow up like crazy!
My chest is small right now so I hope to see progress with dips
Same with me. My chest has gotten twice as big since I added dips.
@gj1233 so have you seen any progress yet?? It took me awhile to see results so just make sure you keep at it. After 3 months or less you should be happy.
I had a flat bird chest after 1 month of dips i now have boobs its crazy
@@gj1233trust me you will ! Do 3 sets of 15 every other day . And let me know in 2 months. 🤜🏽👊🏽
No way bro … weighted dips changed my life fs .. I got 17-18 inch arms cause of them .. hard to stay consistent with it tho I’ll admit
Why, because you need a dip station?
@@jakemccoy nah weighted dips are super hard on the nervous system in my case. Once I went past 3 plates it was too much for me
@@alexflores5554 yeah I’d imagine your frequency has to go way down as you get that strong. I don’t think I’ll have to worry about that issue for a long time
@@alexflores5554 The tax on the nervous system is true
Whenever I push out a very hard set, I am seriously jittering and my whole body is in a tremor
@TwelveGaugeSlug you should see a doctor
I got mad results from my Dip game, I ain’t never in my life heard dips is unnecessary wow
I think the idea of this video was to show that they aren't necessarily needed after a certain point. Not that they are trash in general.
@@SeboHyatt that’s like saying pull-ups aren’t necessary after a certain point
@@YusefAlim33 yeah. I don't necessary agree or disagree.
Dip's are the upper body squat💯add weight and the gains keep coming
Never ever
A dip is not the same as an overhead press...
Didnt say it was the same. They both work in the vertical planes of motion. If you are doing HSPU along with a biased lower chest horizontal push, dips wont be ALL that beneficial for you unless you're trying to specifically get better at dips
@@EzyUA-cam not for pushing....you know what he meant.
@@EzyUA-cam Bro HSPU and dips are vertical PUSH movements, the pullup is a vertical PULL movement targeting a wide range more of muscle groups
@@EzyUA-cam If you want chest activation go for horizontal push, pushups are slept on
He mentioned shoulder press and HSPU which is mainly working your delts. How can someone be so primitive and say that dips can be substituted by these? Tf. His prove is: tHeY aRe vErTiCaL movements.lmao
Idk, I didn’t really see any improvement in my lower chest until I started doing dips
The whole calisthenics community disliking the video right now,but imo dips are godly and not overated if anything it's all in compassing you can't the same thing about literally any exercise
Nah man, dips are a pillar of calesthenics… That’s like saying you don’t need pull ups since you have a lat pull down machine. Just not quite the same as using your body weight, which is the point of calesthenics lol.
Nah... you missed the point of the video. I do agree its a pillar for beginners though. Once you reach a certain level, if you are doing the exercises mentioned.. dips are over rated in my experience.
@@Austindunhamfit I got ya bro. You’ve definitely helped a lot on my calesthenics journey. I started doing calesthenics when I was 13, and still doing it at 22 haha. Lots of stuff learned on your channel!
Bro this guy is ripped and has been for years he is talking from experience. Dips are a great beginner level exercise. However the vertical push exercise for intermediate/advanced that is most beneficial is pike press and hspu
@@chileumadit6588 man knock it off
@@chileumadit6588 bs 😂
This is the only fitness influencer I’ve heard that hasn’t praised dips. I love dips.
Lol.. this some of the most outta pocket fitness advice you've given austin. The dip has huge transfer to alot of movement and blew up my triceps. Imma give you a pass though lol
bro really wants me to replace dips with push ups 💀
Fr 💀
Well, technically the dip is a vertical pushing movement but unlike HSPU, it's a downward push instead of an upward push, and humans can generate more force in the downward push than the upward push AND the horizontal push, so I think the dip is the most basic exercise that should be the most important part of a push workout
The weighted dip, weighted pull-up, squat, barbell row, and military press are the 5 exercises that, when built upon, will give you something like 90% of your muscle building potential.
Yh Austin idk what’s happening with you, first you recommended creatine HCL over monohydrate and now this. You good brother?
Ive recommended HCL over mono due to water retention for years now. The dip is great for beginners in learning foundational calisthenics strength.. outside of that if you are doing the other exercises mentioned. I promise you it is not needed and wont provide any more strength or muscle output. Ive spoken to many advance calisthenics athletes on this take (some fo which you follow) and many agree. Im just publicly saying it
@@Austindunhamfit but in the past you used to say that dips are one of the best if not the best exercisrs even for an advance athlete
@@Calisthenic_01 and believe it or not peoples opinions can change over time and with experiences. 😂
@@reubencop920 most people love doing dips. he’s just running short of content
@@Calisthenic_01 Guess what , he got more advanced and now feels it's not necessary for him , so yeah for this advanced level it's not needed
Tripping dips helped my growth tremendously
This is straight cap 🧢
“Dips are not necessary…. Here are 4 exercises to replace Dips!”
I don't know, weighted dips and ring dips were a game changer for me
FitnessFAQs has entered the chat
Austin takin L's lately
Nope. Dont do dips for a year but do what I mentioned and let me know if your strength or muscle has changed
@@YusefAlim33 half of them lift weights tho
@@RJ-is9ko 98% calisthenics I don’t see no weights at the yard with those athletes, I don’t lift weights traditionally but I do see how strong I am when I go to a gym
whoever is seeing this video and comment ignore what he is saying. DO DIPS. im happy to see a lot of comments share the same as mine. Dipset Dipset Dipset 💪🏽
Dips are a mobility and strength test when done right, they are great for your shoulders if loaded properly. I think they are essential to having well rounded and mobile shoulders. Plus…free bench gains
This guy felt pain in his sternum then started a whole damn political campaign against dips. Lol.
How can any bodyweight exercise be overrated smh.
Flat bench is overrated. Dips are irreplaceable.
Dips are basically the upper body squat. Do dips both variations
Thanks Mentzer
The dip is the squat of the upper body, it works more than just your chest and triceps
Opinions vary. No big deal. Dips (and weighted dips) probably my favorite exercise. Why? For me it's safer than bench press, gives me spinal decompression, and when you kick dips into a higher gear, you're doing both pushing and pulling. The movement also involves lats ans shoulders to a certain extent. If you ask me, dips are underrated.
Built my entire physique around deep dips where I would go almost under the bars. Could do 50 of these ultra deep dips and over 100 of the regular 90 degree ones. My back was especially affected as it grew thick slabs of muscle without any pulling (I hated pullups and rarely did them). I literally look like a natural bodybuilder 15 yrs after i stopped doing dips.
@@user-br9ne3gm9xSorry, didn't get you. So dips helped your physique or didn't help?
@@tanmoyroy6041 Ultra deep dips gave me a buff upper body, including traps and lats.
@@user-br9ne3gm9x That's great. I have started doing dips too. Hope it helps me out.
Bench press/push ups aren't needed either, just do dips instead ;)
Weighted Dips + Strict Overhead Press gave me best results of my life for delts and chest.
Do you still do them?
@@readsomebooks4506 not right now, I do Close grip bench 2x a week at the moment, and will go back to dips again later
Did you do ohp before dips?
Dips are my #1 chest and tricep exercise for results. Not overrated.
Been training for over 17 years. Dips are one of my main and most loved exercise. And my triceps are popping especially after the pump after dips. Dips work on so much more than just triceps as well.
But dips are always at least a bodyweight movement, in my case that's about 240 pounds. No way I'm going to shoulder press 240 pounds quickly, and risk damaging my shoulders. Dips are superb for triceps, upper back and deltoids, traps, and upper pecs. In three months I've gone from barely making one dip to 50 clean reps in 5 sets. Or weighted dips for fewer reps.
Bro is setting us up to fail 😂
Austin there’s a reason why you benched 365 and barely bench. It’s called dips and overhead pressing.
Does a shoulder press work your chest and back (back as a stabilizer if not a mover) also?
No... it does not.
The bar dip is a MASSIVE upper body compound
errm. no. how do these people get away with talking crap.
Did this guy honestly think that he would get any positive feedback from such an asinine statement? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If I could do only one chest exercise forever, it would be the dips.
Austin just got a beef with dips ever since he had an injury doing them.
Compares dips to pressing upwards 😆
Given that logic, don't do bench or pushup, but rather do dips. We can make this case for any exercise since no exercise is mandatory. Weighted dips are time tested for mass. The stretch on the chest and shoulders is unique and the lockout makes the tricep work big time.
Weighted dips are good for tricep growth and increasing your bench max
I’m so sick of fitness coaches claiming everything and everyone is wrong.
"dips aren't important, replace it with two separate lifts in order to accomplish the same thing" has to be the craziest quote known to man
uhhh i'm pretty sure a dip is easier and more beneficial for most people than trying to do a damn handstand push up like goku.
Just look at the gymnasts who do dips almost everyday of their training lives
Dips helped my bench go way up , dips are thee best
How many reps/weight did you do them for? & what was the before & after on the bench press
here we go again
Bro do leg presses for chest cuz a press is a press for him🙂
Shoulder press works lower chest?
I don't do dips but wtf is this shit lmao
Most underrated. I dont see many people doing it at all. Its the squat of your upper body. I don't squat and have the same logic that you have with dips but its because of old injuries. If dips isnt causing you pain or injuries , i wouldnt stop doing it. I seen the most gains with dips, pull-ups and squats (now leg Press for my knee with hamstring curls and calves raises.)
Dips are a horizontal press, not vertical. And no, standing press and handstand push-ups don’t work lower chest. This fact exemplifies the difference between vertical pushes (which those two are) that emphasize shoulders and UPPER chest, and horizontal pushes (which includes dips) that emphasize lower chest. With about equal attention to triceps for both movement patterns.
this is literally what i did dips sometimes even hurt my shoulders more than other vertical pushing movements so i just do dips for volume too.
Nobody gonna talk about the fact this isn't the same movement as an overhead press or a handstand Pushup sin those both work upper chest and dips work lower 😂😂
Replaced pushups with dips in my training regiment since basic pushups aren't really fun anymore
clickbait title, every excercise is replaceable by other excercises.
so shoulder press works your lower chest? interesting 🤔
Incorporate dips with pull-ups and push-ups. The big three in calisthenics. Been working out over 25 years. I worked out with professional bodybuilders that won the Arnold competition. Dips is always a great workout. Keep doing your dips and see the results. Stay motivated!
is there no difference between pushing down and up? idk bout this
I would rather do pike push-ups instead of dips, but I wouldn’t say dips are overrated.
Dips imo are harder than push-ups, so mastering them will be give you major strength gains and can also be the gateway to vertical pushing movements.
So, respectfully, l disagree.
They are over rated once you have mastered them, and you're consistenly doing a vertical press/ paired with a planche pushup variation, in my experience. Beginners should definitely do dips though.
Austin has a sternum impingement pain when he do dips that's why he says it's overrated because he can't go heavy on dips, and starts blabbering on his video that it's not necessary and overrated and it's a beginner exercise hahaha what a joke
@@chaosdragon6588 you Just bring the reality
It’s literally underrated tf
I got 3 herniated lumbar discs, so really can’t lift heavy weights over my head so in my particular case dips are god-tier
I have a dip bar at home and it's purely fascinating for me. Definitely not unnecessary or overrated.
Weighted dips and weighted pull ups will give u a bulletproof upper body
After more than 3 years of free weight compound exercises and now I only do three movements. dips on push day, pull ups on pull day and squats on leg day and only bodyweight. I feel much better than before in every aspect. Reduced excess weight, more stamina and endurance, feel easy in daily hard tasks, more athleticism than before and look younger than before.
Push ups trigger headache(NDPH) for me and it stays for months without medication so dips are favorable for me
Can anyone tell the reason for headache while doing pushups?
I’m working out for the aesthetic, not necessarily for strength training, I started a new workout pretty recently, 100 tricep dips to workout out my triceps and my upper chest, 100 leg raises for lower abs and burning belly fat, and I may incorporate push-ups or diamond pushups if the dips don’t have the desired effect on my chest, I plan to keep on this for 30 days and see the results
SHOULDER WIDTH dips will make you stronger in every other press exercise.
Dips are one of the best chest and tricep builders out there
Big L , thats like saying don't do pullups on your back days unless you want more volume
This is a crazy take . Dips in a upright position along with close grip bench press is the only Tricep exercise to hit all three heads and to specifically hit the lower chest dips are superior to all other exercises
No exercise is vital. There's multiple options for whatever muscle you want to target. I find Dips to be very effective as a main pressing compound to blast my chest in the beginning of the workout. They're very easy to progressively overload if you do them with weight, they kill your chest if you do them using good form and are overall a very functional and athletic movement unlike many machine exercises and even Barbell/dumbbel pressing, as it is a bodyweight exercise and requires a lot of core stability and the use of the serratus anterior. Dips also build strength for push ups, HS push ups, etc...
Dips, Weighted Push Ups (Incline, decline or normal depending on your deficiencies) and any type of machine exercise to accumulate muscle fatigue in a more controlled manner and full ROM will be enough to build an amazing chest
Tips are not really a vertical pushing movement. They resemble a decline bench press with more emphasis on the shoulders. Also, you can change it up by leaning forward.
ohp hitting the lower chest like a monster
I've been doing 500 dips every one, two, or three weeks, for years. I love them. I look forward to doing them again after I complete my other workout goals.
Dips arent really vertical push tho. Its more like horizontal. Sure the motion is of the body is vertical up and down but when you start doing them like tuck planche push ups its a horizontal one, so just for the sake of progressing to the biggest horizontal push exercise (planche push up) its really a good exercise.
I think it has to do with the position of youre body itself. Normal dips are vertical since you are moving up and down in a mostly upright position where as it becomes horizontal once you reach advance tuck planche
Bro said don't do dips for your lower chest if you're already hitting vert movements for the shoulder presses he mentioned 💀💀 what
close grip bench press has made me really good at dips
Yes, dips may be overrated.
But it's scout skills and environment.
I can't really did a stable handstand and in the flat not the room for those, handstand push-ups not yet. I don't have a bench, a good set of dumbbells or a barbell.
But I have two chairs and a table for rows, etc.
It's even about focusing.
tbh from 2016 up to 2020 i only had pull up bar and two parallel bars to do dips variations, also for my chest i did push ups, pike push ups, dips and i used my dip bar to do push ups so i can go lower, and there you go i had the best chest in highschool haha, they were so important to me 💪 and i loved them
dips are like squats ,painful but effective
I agree that they are kind of a weird exercise to program because they work the triceps similar to an overhead press but the chest activation and weighted stretch much more resembles a horizontal press. I see them as the push equivalent of a chin up, since you can use your whole body weight unlike a push up and doesn't require as much technique as a handstand push up.
i do dips because its the compound exercise of triceps which saves me time
Everyone is on your head about them dips, dawg. If you can't really do them, just say that instead of telling everyone that it's no need for them 😅🤦🏿♂️ I started doin dips and went frm having no chest to having a little one 💯😂 Don't disrespect the dips
Dude you are wrong i love your content and been watching you for years but like maybe you got drunk during vacation cause dips are the best calisthenics movement for lower chest and very good for triceps and like no hindu/cobra push up or pseudo works your chest like the dips and the conparison with hspu and overhead press is irrelevant since those work mainly the anterior delt and the long head of tricep and dips do lower chest if bending forward and if done straight they are more tricep so for me delete this post is just wrong and not on point
Thank you
Dont do dips for a year (but DO do what is mentioned) and let me know if your srength/muscle takes any negative effects. I doubt it.
@@Austindunhamfitdeficit handstand push-ups / Overhead press for upper chest, weighted Ring push ups/ flat bench press for middle chest, weighted parallel bars or ring dips for lower chest is the truth 💯.
Do those to target your whole chest.
huh??? This is a joke. Ik this is a joke. stop trolling 😂
Dont do dips for a year (but DO do what is mentioned) and let me know if your srength/muscle takes any negative effects. I doubt it.
@@Austindunhamfit Well by that logic don't do the ones mentioned, but do dips. It's the same. No exercise is mandatory.
@@Austindunhamfit I didn't do dips for several years. That didn't workout for me. My chest was super flabby. I literally built no strength in that's pushing down plane. dips are the basics and the basics are good
@@greenanime8359 what did you do for your chest when you stopped dips?
dips train your whole chest, not just lower chest, you don't get that type of stretch for your chest from other exercises, in one of the studies it showed that incline pressing and dips had the same upper chest activation, at same time it builds your shoulder as well not to mention triceps, over all it is much superior. and its note actually vertical, its more horizontal like bench press, your not pressing over your chest , its more like a hybrid between vertical and horizontal.
And, its time to DIP!
Of course I get this as soon as I get a dip bar
Just because you had an injury due to your poor form doesn’t mean that it’s useless; matter fact they’re benchpress substitute for calisthenic athletes.
I've heard people refer to dips as both a vertical and horizontal press movement.
You just said dips aren’t necessary and listed 4 exercises that are literally the opposite movement as a replacement
Weighted dips build more strength than bench does. I would rather do vertical presses and dips than any horizontal movement
Mike Mentzer has entered the chat…
I just searched on how to do dips cuz it’s really hard I’m 14 I really wanna stop being skinny I have twig arms😢😢😢
I love dips but he's not wrong... it's just an option in the tool box. A lot of powerlifters use them as an accessory for benching but that's mainly because weighted pushups are hard to setup.
Get a weighted vest steel plates 40lbs
People trying way too hard to have hot takes nowadays