The Problem with Following Tim Ross & Andy Stanley. Tune in and Wise Up.
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2024
- #deconstruction #exevangelical
As Pastor’s kids growing up in church their entire lives and now leading a multi-site church, Fellowship Church, in Dallas/Fort Worth, lead pastor, Ed Young and youth pastor, Sam Kelly sit down and have a raw conversation about the popular movement of deconstructionist thinking, such as Andy Stanley & Tim Ross, and how if we are not careful it can wreck our theology. In this discussion they also talk about the importance of the local church and the irrefutable blessings that come from being under authority.
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Pastor Ed Young is the senior pastor of Fellowship Church based in the DFW Metroplex, he is also an author, and conference speaker noted for his creative communication style.
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Ed, you “chased cool” as a 50+ year old pastor. Pastor Fashion anyone? 😂😂😂
wayyyy before preachers and n sneakers
@ruslanKD, PLEASE speak on this on your podcast! Would love to hear your perspective!
“What Tim Ross is saying about the fragility of the church just isn’t true!”
*2 minutes later*
“What Tim Ross is doing is hurting the church!”
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Well done, Sir. Thank you for calling it what it is.
Ed out here working hard at keeping the church unsafe for people to walk through their doubts and questions.... where people struggling with sin can't feel safe to share their lives...
Pick up the phone Ed and call these men over trying to stir fake drama over lack of understanding.
I would NEVER EVER "SUBMIT to a church!" I will submit to Jesus and Jesus alone.
100... so that causes me to do what his word says in Hebrews 13:17 - Obey your leaders and submit to them, since they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account, so that they can do this with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.
I don’t agree with this. But it is what it is
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Thank you!!!! Keep standing for truth and speaking boldly.
Great conversation! With deconstruction being such a popular things these days these are important conversations to have.
Thank you for this!
I appreciate you speaking out.
When Tim talks about wanting to sleep with the escort, where is that coming from? Why would he assume a pastor is thinking that… asking for a friend.
Great conversation, even better dudes. Love ya Ed and Sam, I'll eventually have enough money to come on to fellowship. Love everything you guys do, keep it up!
The world needs it
We’d love to have you join us!
He needs more money to be able to attend your church lol
I've watched this over so many times. No one else is talking like this and it's sooooo so needed. Great conversation. I'm excited for more!!
Very curious to know how much time you spent speaking to this Pastor Tim Ross about his content, or how much time was spent looking into his overall body of work before even sitting to record this, let alone post it. Going even further to state that people have authority issues is also a reach.
The local church can certainly advance God’s kingdom and be a great place for people to grow and fellowship together as I have experienced… and so can a podcast or another form of content. If your strength is in the local church and building that, awesome. If you can create/find a podcast that people can relate to and be drawn to God’s word and eventually the local church, awesome.
These things CAN actually work hand in hand. If it’s not your preference that is okay as well.
7:40 I've started listening to Tim Ross multiple times after hearing what sounded like a great testimony. I eventually have to shut it off because he says some off the wall comments and the content doesn't align with what I consider the way to correctly challenge problems in the church. He constantly degrades and demeans churches and church leaders, claiming racism and arrogance. He constantly tries to justify ungodly behavior and consistently attempts to blur the lines between the church and the world. Not to mention, he's under Mike Todd, who has some way out there theology. He also is way too much on this new racial victimhood train, and all that is a bunch of nonsense. According to Tim, apparently, if we have criticism for what he says, then his content is just not for us, but God apparently affirms everything he's doing. At least in Tim's mind.
Just say you don’t believe racism still exists…. Way more direct and less words needed.
PREACH 🗣️
🤮👎 Bad move, horrible representation of a pastor to call out another believer you claim to not know personally… yet you have a lot to say about him? Interesting Fellowship Church is next door to Embassey City and Gateway Church where Tim Ross pastored…. You think he’s a deconstructionist, has no authority and dishonoring the church. You sir, are dishonoring the church by posting this nonsense! If you actually listened to his content in full context you would know this is insanity what you claimed about Tim. What a disappointment to be in the body of Christ and have this kind of dishonesty spread among our community. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
It’s unfortunate to hear some of what’s being said on this podcast about Tim Ross especially when Pastor Ed prefaces his initial statement with “ I don’t know Tim Ross and I’ve only seen some of his content. Knowing Tim personally, it’s a shame to see believers call out other believers without knowing who they are and what they stand for. 😢
Pastor Ed is not attacking either of these men but is stating truth. Young leaders need this. I’ve know Pastor Ed Young for many years and he wouldn’t address this if it wasn’t needed. If we take your point no one should ever point anything out.
Wow, It’s awful to hear what Tim has been saying about God’s house. Thank you for calling him out!!
So call others out online without ever speaking with them and with no actual relationship. And you talk about spiritual immaturity. Come on. I’m a Pastor and this does no good for the kingdom. How about you contact them directly and if they don’t listen then bring in some elders to have that convo. It’s kind of Biblical. Good job getting more views by attaching your monologue to someone’s name who is getting more attention than you. Genius marketing tactic.
This is a bad take. Public figures who have made public statements are open to public criticism from anyone and everyone. This has nothing to do with spiritual maturity. My question is if you have any issues with what Tim Ross is doing? It's okay to trash the church, to trash white people, to put out ridiculous statements about what God affirms so long as you're making vague generalizations, right? That is showing great spiritual maturity as long as you don't speak about someone who you don't have a personal relationship with. Also, the process you're mentioning is completely irrelevant if you're not a member of the same local church.
These platforms are now being utilized for negative attention.
I agree. Why not reach out to the individual and sit down WITH THEM.
CLICK BAIT!
Tim will sit down and have a conversation with ANYONE. I’d love to see what they say after that conversation too.
I think we are all well aware that none of these people want to be addressed. The purpose of these videos is to caution the sheep against deception and rebellion!!! Go and read the full counsel of God's word on these matters to understand what the right thing to do is, instead of only quoting 2 or 3 scriptures about private rebuke. The church at large is in danger because most of the church actually don't read the Bible and when they do, they lack the spiritual insight to interpret it correctly, which opens them up to being led astray by these so-called Deconstructionists. It's extremely dangerous. In Africa we deal with false prophets conjuring miracles, over in the States your problem is "preachers" with forked tongues.
I love echo chamber pods ... let's sit with someone who thinks like me and call it a conversation. No disrespect but this is a monologue. Have a contrarian on here then have a conversation.
Great conversation & much needed
No disrespect but I think you're missing the point. This isn’t an ‘echo chamber’, its a Master Class. They're creating a space for in-depth discussion with guests who actually understand the nuances of the topic. It's about quality, not quantity of perspectives.
These two leaders are speaking for 1000s and 1000s of us!
@timmcgregor9914 Well that's sad and 1000s and 1000s of y'all need to wake up Sir.
Dude, look at the name of your podcast. Lol
Dude on the right is a yes man.
Big cringe vibes on this whole video
Your team might’ve given you a little clickbait on this one, Pastor Ed. Because you’re responding on hot takes and these don’t represent the essence of what Tim Ross is teaching this generation. I hate to see you burn a relationship with a brother due to being uninformed. 🙏
This!
You've done the exact opposite of what you're trying to get other people to do on their podcasts.
Pastor Ed, I wanted to understand the point of this episode. However, it saddened me to hear you continue to negatively speak about another brother in Christ. I’ve listened to many of Tim Ross’s podcasts and I humbly submit that you are assassinating his character and intent. I pray you remove this video and even listen (in it’s entirety) to a few of Tim’s episodes. Yes, we should be careful of who we listen to, but this just didn’t feel right!