This interview is interesting and fascinating. Professor Beaton is knowledgeable about Greek history. There is no doubt that Prof. Beaton is a very nice scholar. However, there are several issues raised in this particular interview that in my opinion deserve some debate. First, the 1821 revolution is not giving birth to a nation. I believe it is the other way around, the nation gives birth to a revolution. National identity is being formed throughout the years and the term "Hellenes" has been used in the past, even in classical antiquity and later on, in the Alexandrian era. Greeks and their scholars even two and 300 years before the revolution use the word "Genos" in lieu of nation. The nation is a concept that is later invented and comes with the French Revolution. So, I think this is the first big issue that this interviewed author entirely misses. Second, in no time during the interview, Prof. Beaton mentions Theodore Kolokotronis. Instead, he unexpectedly characterizes Mavrokordatos as the most important figure in the Greek war for independence. He ignores that this individual acted mostly in the interest of Great Britain and almost brought the revolution to an almost complete failure. Undoubtedly, Mavrokordatos had many charismas, but this cannot even out his negative influence on the Greek war for independence and his role in the negotiation of the first loans of the Greek State. Overall, Prof. Beaton's view is akin to his Cambridge background, and his view of the Greek revolution of 1821 is genuinely biased. Andy and HALC should look more into Greek history in real terms and from different perspectives. Last, I see some idiotic comments in this thread, that deserve no further commenting as they are obviously made by uneducated individuals who cannot speak or use the English language.
Εξαιρετικός ο κ. Παπαδακης!Γραφω στα ελληνικά από γλωσσικό πατριωτισμό!!Ακριβως !Ο κ.Μπητον τονίζει τον Μαυροκορδατο...αλλά σκοπιμα σκιάζει τον Καποδίστρια!Τι κάνει νιαου νιαου στα κεραμίδια?
....He says......I didnt mention Kapodistrias in my book!!...He is an UNLIKABLE.....”figure”........He calls Kapodistrias this way.....Tell him to go and tell that at least to Switzerland 🇨🇭 to the Helvetians!!
The debate is excellent and enlightening. Unfortunately, it has attracted a lot of toxic comments, inspired by paranoia, fanatism or demonisation, the latter is a very trendy "method" in public debates in Greece nowadays... If I were in charge of this channel I would turn the comments off.
Probably you are referring to the misguided.,and toxicated with nationalistic air ,quotes of the young and uneducated boys of the beloved country of Albania.
@@thesaethera7734 Μάλιστα, ακόμα περισσότερες ασάφειες.... Εγώ ρώτησα κάτι πολύ συγκεκριμένο.. Αν έκανε λάθος "στα πάντα" λογικά είναι πανευκολο να γίνει αναφορά έστω σε ένα από αυτά τα "πάντα"...
@@NickStrife Και βέβαια.Ανακριβεια πρώτη.ΟΚαποδιστριας ήταν .”unlikable”....Δεν μας λεει όμως από ποιους...βέβαια σαν Άγγλος που είναι δεν τον συμφέρει να αποκαλύψει τον δόλιο ρόλο των Άγγλων στην εξόντωση του.Εγκυρε πηγες τους φωτογραφίζουν ως ηθικούς αυτουργούς.Δευτερο,συγκαλύπτει και δεν διευκρινίζει τον κάκιστο ρόλο του Μαυροκορδατου στην εξυπηρέτηση του περίφημου δανείου.Δεν είναι υποκειμενικά αντικειμενικός.Μηπως θεωρούνται και αυτά ασάφειες?
They are not exactly the Albanians you have in mind.As we know the Albanians were separated according to their tribes,racha...kasha.with the influence of the religion.The Christianized were hellenized all during the Byzantine period fighting with the Byzantines.They were the ARBANITES!They lived for along time in the Greek territories!They were more Hellenes than the Hellenes,they fought for their independence from the mouslim Turks and Albanians like....Ali Pasha and Sultan....!😇😂😂😂😂🤣
@@thesaethera7734 Really? That's not what philhellene George Finlay thought. He said Albanians were Albanians, with their language, customs, songs. Oh and they couldn't stand the lazy Greeks of the time who had lost all sense of their culture and their past.
@@thesaethera7734 Don't shoot the messenger. I am just quoting what he said of Greeks and Albanians at the the time of the Greek Revolution. He did not say Arbanites were Hellenized. He never even uses the word Arvanite. That is what they teach nowadays in school but it actually was not true. He said Albanians were settled in Greece and constituted 25% of the population of Peloponnesus. Athens was practically an Albanian settlement.
@@MKokalari My dear October,Mr.Beaton is not considered a reliable and valid historian.He changes his aspects from time to time.He was reticuled by real historians in the past.!If he ignores the presence of ARVANITES that is people with Hellenik civilization Hellenik heart and customs living in the country for centuries even before the Byzantine period.They were Old Hellenes who had forgotten their their language living together with the Albanian tribes.The Byzantines appreciated them because they were good fighters,this why they were the heroes of the Fight of the Hellenik Independence!!Think better...maybe you are an ARVANITE deep in your heart ❤️
what was the Greek state called before the 1821 independance year? why is most of the Greek population made up of Bullgarians, Vlachs, Romanian, Arvanitas, Gypsies, Turks, minor Asia etc? what language did the Greeks speak before the 1821? the Greek national guard wears a uniform which is a bit unusual does anyone know why or where it originates from? and why is the Greek national anthem encourages terror and fear? how come that a europian member state has such a national anthem that says nothing but killing people in an unhuman way, even the sloughter of animals its not permited in such a ferocious way? when you think about all this questions makes you think weather there was a Greek state at all? yet again the Europian Union its throuing so much money in Greece that is beyond imagination and the EU knows that will never get these money back. l have traveled a fair bit and red a lot of books ancient books, such as Straboni Plometeu etc, and for some reason there is no mention of Greeks, and since the birth of Christ until the so called independance and the formation of Greece there is no mention of Greece anywhere which is very strange, during the Otoman empire Greeks are literally not mentioned in any books or anyehere at all and that is very bizarre maybe l am reading the wrong books? the professor or any one its welcome to respond to those questions l am very keen to know.
Greek dear friend, the same language spoken for millennia in this land. Were other languages spoken in the Balkans. Of course, yes, but Greek was the English of that time in the Balkans. It is also wrong to view Greece, Hellas by geographical terms only. A lot more people in Asia Minor and in the Balkans would identify themselves as Hellens on the basis of language, Orthodox Greek Faith and traditions. If you want to learn more please follow our events in the HCC-SW, www.hcc-sw.org
They make manipulations and manipulations because all heroes of "Greece " today are Arvanite/Suliote/Albanian. This is clear genocide against Albanian history, language, culture etc.... This genocide will not stop if Albania dont get stronger and to present the truth history of Balkan. Before 1821 today Greece speak 70%Arvanite/Suliote/Albania language and the rest Jews,Turks,Slavonic,Vllach. Is like a machine manipulations of ignorants which all time genocide continues. Ancient civilizations of Balkan/Illyricum are the Illyrian/Dardanian/Epirots/Macedonian/Thracian/Dalmatian/Dacian/Pelasgian/Albanian civilizations. All this ignorants are making genocide against European culture and civilization.
What is a Bulgarian a Vlach or an Arvanite? Who are the Illirians. All of you start an analysis with the wrong premise based on modern ethnic nation states.
@@emmanouilpapadakis Bulgarian are slavonic people which come in 8 century. Vllach are Romanian which is similar with Albania language. Name Bucurest capital of Romania it means Bucurest-Bukur es(h)te-is beautiful an later I discovered that in Romania language was the same Bucure-Bukure-Beutiful. Name Vllach means brother,Vllach-Vlla(ch)-Brother. Arvanite and Suliote are Albanians. Illyrian were ancient Albanian and the continuity between Illyrians and Albanians never stopped and is the same race as today and same language with little bitt evolution.
@@emmanouilpapadakis The good question is,what are the Greeks today? Jakob Phillip Fallmerayer was very clear when visited "Greece " area today at 1800. And I hope you know everything what say Fallmerayer and all Bavarians and they were very clear that is no one Greek left.
Old Egypt the write name for Greece (TATANJA) all for Greece independent fight Arvanit Albania blod Greece today no have one hero’s with mom and dad’s Greece today Greece is mix bat for independence fight Albania orthodox today Greece trays too assimilation Arvanit peoples no have one schools in Greece in Arvanit languages
Rome was established by ancient Hellenes who gave the Hellenic name to Rome.Rome is Ρώμη a Greek word that means Lustiness Vigor!Romylos and Remos the founders of Rome were of an Hellenic Pelasgian ancestry!!
Modern nation? You Mean Ancient Nation Right?
This interview is interesting and fascinating. Professor Beaton is knowledgeable about Greek history. There is no doubt that Prof. Beaton is a very nice scholar. However, there are several issues raised in this particular interview that in my opinion deserve some debate. First, the 1821 revolution is not giving birth to a nation. I believe it is the other way around, the nation gives birth to a revolution. National identity is being formed throughout the years and the term "Hellenes" has been used in the past, even in classical antiquity and later on, in the Alexandrian era. Greeks and their scholars even two and 300 years before the revolution use the word "Genos" in lieu of nation. The nation is a concept that is later invented and comes with the French Revolution. So, I think this is the first big issue that this interviewed author entirely misses. Second, in no time during the interview, Prof. Beaton mentions Theodore Kolokotronis. Instead, he unexpectedly characterizes Mavrokordatos as the most important figure in the Greek war for independence. He ignores that this individual acted mostly in the interest of Great Britain and almost brought the revolution to an almost complete failure. Undoubtedly, Mavrokordatos had many charismas, but this cannot even out his negative influence on the Greek war for independence and his role in the negotiation of the first loans of the Greek State. Overall, Prof. Beaton's view is akin to his Cambridge background, and his view of the Greek revolution of 1821 is genuinely biased. Andy and HALC should look more into Greek history in real terms and from different perspectives. Last, I see some idiotic comments in this thread, that deserve no further commenting as they are obviously made by uneducated individuals who cannot speak or use the English language.
Εξαιρετικός ο κ. Παπαδακης!Γραφω στα ελληνικά από γλωσσικό πατριωτισμό!!Ακριβως !Ο κ.Μπητον τονίζει τον Μαυροκορδατο...αλλά σκοπιμα σκιάζει τον Καποδίστρια!Τι κάνει νιαου νιαου στα κεραμίδια?
You can't use modern western european terms and examples in order to define ancient nations like Greeks Chinease and others.
Bouboulina Lascaris was from Spetses not Hydra....
Greetings from Australia! 🇦🇺 🇬🇷 fascinating interview
haaa if you want to no the really history look the documents on archives because the founders of greece were Albanians
haaa if you want to no the really history look the documents on archives because the founders of greece were Albanians
haaa if you want to no the really history look the documents on archives because the founders of greece were Albanians
haaa if you want to no the really history look the documents on archives because the founders of greece were Albanians
haaa if you want to no the really history look the documents on archives because the founders of greece were Albanians
Kanaris was from Psara not Hydra....
How Prof. Beaton thinks that the successful outcome of the Greek Revolution could result from a series of spontaneous events is bizarre....
Mr.Beaton must speak in a debate to a confrontation with the world wide recognized political philosopher professor George Kontogeorgis!
Mavrokordatos, standing at “five feet six inches” tall, made him above average height for the time. I think he was actually quite small....
Kapodistrias was not from the diaspora, he was from Kerkira...
Prof Beaton does need to study Kapodistrias. His views are far from informed...
....He says......I didnt mention Kapodistrias in my book!!...He is an UNLIKABLE.....”figure”........He calls Kapodistrias this way.....Tell him to go and tell that at least to Switzerland 🇨🇭 to the Helvetians!!
The debate is excellent and enlightening. Unfortunately, it has attracted a lot of toxic comments, inspired by paranoia, fanatism or demonisation, the latter is a very trendy "method" in public debates in Greece nowadays... If I were in charge of this channel I would turn the comments off.
Probably you are referring to the misguided.,and toxicated with nationalistic air ,quotes of the young and uneducated boys of the beloved country of Albania.
And the interview ended with some sycophantic nonsense about Greece setting an example for the rest of the world....
Exactly!
Where is Mr.Stathakopoulos Demetris ,the Othomanologist who dug deeply in the springs of real documents to hear all these nonsenses!!
don't manipulation the history The Albanians are founders of greece 100 heroes 90 heroes were Albanian and this is documeted
The book should be named The History of an Ancient Nation!!
my respect and will a life under the Othomen Turks a life of a Greek be exceptble today or even tolerated.
Ωραίος ιστορικός παραμυθατζής ο κύριος προφέσορ! Να τον χαίρεστε τον ασχετόπουλο!
Ακριβώς!!Απολυτα σωστή αλλά ευγενικά μετριοπαθής παρατήρηση!
Δεν μας λέτε που έκανε λάθος όμως! 😅
@@NickStrife Στα πάντα.Εγινε πολλές φορές ρεζίλι ,για τα πισωγυρίσματα και τις κολοτουμπες του σε διεθνή συνέδρια.
@@thesaethera7734 Μάλιστα, ακόμα περισσότερες ασάφειες....
Εγώ ρώτησα κάτι πολύ συγκεκριμένο.. Αν έκανε λάθος "στα πάντα" λογικά είναι πανευκολο να γίνει αναφορά έστω σε ένα από αυτά τα "πάντα"...
@@NickStrife Και βέβαια.Ανακριβεια πρώτη.ΟΚαποδιστριας ήταν .”unlikable”....Δεν μας λεει όμως από ποιους...βέβαια σαν Άγγλος που είναι δεν τον συμφέρει να αποκαλύψει τον δόλιο ρόλο των Άγγλων στην εξόντωση του.Εγκυρε πηγες τους φωτογραφίζουν ως ηθικούς αυτουργούς.Δευτερο,συγκαλύπτει και δεν διευκρινίζει τον κάκιστο ρόλο του Μαυροκορδατου στην εξυπηρέτηση του περίφημου δανείου.Δεν είναι υποκειμενικά αντικειμενικός.Μηπως θεωρούνται και αυτά ασάφειες?
😂😂🤣Αυτόν έχει βάλει η πολύ εγγράμματος κ.Αγγελοπουλου,να μας ξαναπεί την ιστορία .... !
lol Albanians in the comment section... aren't they lovely?
😂😂😂
They are not exactly the Albanians you have in mind.As we know the Albanians were separated according to their tribes,racha...kasha.with the influence of the religion.The Christianized were hellenized all during the Byzantine period fighting with the Byzantines.They were the ARBANITES!They lived for along time in the Greek territories!They were more Hellenes than the Hellenes,they fought for their independence from the mouslim Turks and Albanians like....Ali Pasha and Sultan....!😇😂😂😂😂🤣
@@thesaethera7734 Really? That's not what philhellene George Finlay thought. He said Albanians were Albanians, with their language, customs, songs. Oh and they couldn't stand the lazy Greeks of the time who had lost all sense of their culture and their past.
@@MKokalari So if you are a lover and want to continue the real and forgotten Hellenik culture....go on and do it!!😇
@@thesaethera7734 Don't shoot the messenger. I am just quoting what he said of Greeks and Albanians at the the time of the Greek Revolution. He did not say Arbanites were Hellenized. He never even uses the word Arvanite. That is what they teach nowadays in school but it actually was not true. He said Albanians were settled in Greece and constituted 25% of the population of Peloponnesus. Athens was practically an Albanian settlement.
@@MKokalari My dear October,Mr.Beaton is not considered a reliable and valid historian.He changes his aspects from time to time.He was reticuled by real historians in the past.!If he ignores the presence of ARVANITES that is people with Hellenik civilization Hellenik heart and customs living in the country for centuries even before the Byzantine period.They were Old Hellenes who had forgotten their their language living together with the Albanian tribes.The Byzantines appreciated them because they were good fighters,this why they were the heroes of the Fight of the Hellenik Independence!!Think better...maybe you are an ARVANITE deep in your heart ❤️
what was the Greek state called before the 1821 independance year? why is most of the Greek population made up of Bullgarians, Vlachs, Romanian, Arvanitas, Gypsies, Turks, minor Asia etc? what language did the Greeks speak before the 1821? the Greek national guard wears a uniform which is a bit unusual does anyone know why or where it originates from? and why is the Greek national anthem encourages terror and fear? how come that a europian member state has such a national anthem that says nothing but killing people in an unhuman way, even the sloughter of animals its not permited in such a ferocious way? when you think about all this questions makes you think weather there was a Greek state at all? yet again the Europian Union its throuing so much money in Greece that is beyond imagination and the EU knows that will never get these money back.
l have traveled a fair bit and red a lot of books ancient books, such as Straboni Plometeu etc, and for some reason there is no mention of Greeks, and since the birth of Christ until the so called independance and the formation of Greece there is no mention of Greece anywhere which is very strange, during the Otoman empire Greeks are literally not mentioned in any books or anyehere at all and that is very bizarre maybe l am reading the wrong books?
the professor or any one its welcome to respond to those questions l am very keen to know.
Greek dear friend, the same language spoken for millennia in this land. Were other languages spoken in the Balkans. Of course, yes, but Greek was the English of that time in the Balkans. It is also wrong to view Greece, Hellas by geographical terms only. A lot more people in Asia Minor and in the Balkans would identify themselves as Hellens on the basis of language, Orthodox Greek Faith and traditions. If you want to learn more please follow our events in the HCC-SW, www.hcc-sw.org
They make manipulations and manipulations because all heroes of "Greece " today are Arvanite/Suliote/Albanian.
This is clear genocide against Albanian history, language, culture etc....
This genocide will not stop if Albania dont get stronger and to present the truth history of Balkan.
Before 1821 today Greece speak 70%Arvanite/Suliote/Albania language and the rest Jews,Turks,Slavonic,Vllach.
Is like a machine manipulations of ignorants which all time genocide continues.
Ancient civilizations of Balkan/Illyricum are the Illyrian/Dardanian/Epirots/Macedonian/Thracian/Dalmatian/Dacian/Pelasgian/Albanian civilizations.
All this ignorants are making genocide against European culture and civilization.
What is a Bulgarian a Vlach or an Arvanite? Who are the Illirians. All of you start an analysis with the wrong premise based on modern ethnic nation states.
@@emmanouilpapadakis Bulgarian are slavonic people which come in 8 century.
Vllach are Romanian which is similar with Albania language.
Name Bucurest capital of Romania it means Bucurest-Bukur es(h)te-is beautiful an later I discovered that in Romania language was the same Bucure-Bukure-Beutiful.
Name Vllach means brother,Vllach-Vlla(ch)-Brother.
Arvanite and Suliote are Albanians.
Illyrian were ancient Albanian and the continuity between Illyrians and Albanians never stopped and is the same race as today and same language with little bitt evolution.
@@emmanouilpapadakis The good question is,what are the Greeks today?
Jakob Phillip Fallmerayer was very clear when visited "Greece " area today at 1800.
And I hope you know everything what say Fallmerayer and all Bavarians and they were very clear that is no one Greek left.
Old Egypt the write name for Greece (TATANJA) all for Greece independent fight Arvanit Albania blod Greece today no have one hero’s with mom and dad’s Greece today Greece is mix bat for independence fight Albania orthodox today Greece trays too assimilation Arvanit peoples no have one schools in Greece in Arvanit languages
Albanians=Chechen
Tatanka, Tatanka.
Write name....??!you mean right name!!......!!Try to learn some right language and right history first
and then come here to discuss!!🤣🤣🤣😂😂
We are hellenes, really?? I like Roman history more, I prefer to be Romeos speaking ellinika
Romans are actually kinda greek aswell
Rome was established by ancient Hellenes who gave the Hellenic name to Rome.Rome is Ρώμη a Greek word that means Lustiness Vigor!Romylos and Remos the founders of Rome were of an Hellenic Pelasgian ancestry!!
One doesn't negate the other ...