My brother, the Catholic faith is the most valuable thing in my life. Never let go of it, no matter how dark things might get in the Church. Holy Mother Church is in Her Passion now, so She calls us to unity now more than ever. God bless you, I'll be praying for you.
"Before that event support for petrine primacy is commonplace among Greek fathers, because the papacy swore allegiance to Byzantium & had some byzantine popes." **Even after that, the primacy of Rome is well attested to. But it's just that primacy, not supremacy. I recommend "Byzantine and the Roman Primacy" by the Catholic scholar Fr. Francis Dvornik. It's a short, to the point book that gives examples of how the Roman primacy was exercised in the first millennium in the East.
PapalSoldier The first quote was by Philip the Deacon at Ephesus and says nothing out of the ordinary with EO theology. Second, no one either confirmed nor denied his statement. The second and third comments are fairly ordinary as well. You'll have to prove the terms like "head" and "chief" mean infallibility and universal ordinary jurisdiction - even St. Basil the Great refers to St. Athanasius as "head and chief of all" ("have thought that I could not make a more fitting beginning than by having recourse to your excellency, as to *the head and chief of all,* and treating you as alike adviser and commander in the enterprise." Epistle 69). They call Leo the "vinedresser"? Yeah? And then they push through canon 28 showing they didn't think he had absolute authority. Seriously, these have all been put in context before, the most complete collection being in Edward Denny "Papalism." archive.org/details/papalismtreatise00dennrich You can pull up a quote on EOy by Fortescu (who thought Pius X was obnoxious and had turned the Papacy into a dictatorship - I'll give you quotes if you want) but I can get one from a Pope: "Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than what had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium . . . Rome need not ask for more. Reunion could take place in this context if, on the one hand, the East would cease to oppose as heretical the developments that took place in the West in the second millennium and would accept the Catholic Church as legitimate and orthodox in the form she had acquired in the course of that development, while, on the other hand, the West would recognize the Church of the East as orthodox and legitimate in the form she has always had.” **Notice that verb tense in the last sentence: "...she has always had." In other words, Pope Benedict XVI just stated we're the same now as we always have been.
Thank you for this. Raised Catholic, converted to EO. Have struggled with this for years. This gave me insight to digest. God bless you and Eric. Thank you.
Yes, I pray this daily, and include the Coptics and Assyrian Church of the East. It needs to stop. The Muslims exist because of this mess, as do the Protestants. My (Traditionalist Latin Mass Roman Catholic) wife and I were talking about this yesterday.
This is so interesting and informative! Although I remain Roman Catholic because it’s the Church of my heritage, as an artist I do LOVE the aesthetic beauty and iconography of the Eastern Orthodox churches! I love the architecture and the stunning visual and musical effects of their liturgy, although I never understood it very much. Thank you for sharing this to help us understand it more!
The path to unification between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church is thorny and difficult, and is complicated by those monks in Mt. Athos who believe the Catholic Church as belonging to the antichrist. The views coming from that mountain is looked upon with great respect by the Eastern Orthodox Church. I believe this controversy will only be finally resolved by Jesus Christ himself when he comes back. Those monks in Mt. Athos actually excommunicated their own Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I after he met with "heretical antichrist" Pope Paul VI back in 1964. Let's instead focus our efforts on the healing and reconciliation between the Catholic Church and the Oriental Orthodox Church rather than the Eastern Orthodox Church, since that relationship is so much less acrimonious, intransigent, dogmatic, and so much more characterized by Christian Charity on both sides.
I agree fully. Catholic-Eastern Orthodox reunion is totally out of sight, it 100% won't happen this century. Meanwhile, Catholic and Assyrian and Catholic and Oriental Orthodox communion is realistic. Catholics should focus reunification efforts entirely on the Assyrians and Orientals for now. The Byzantine Greco-Slavs are a lost cause right now, our efforts with them should mainly be defending against their attacks and reducing attrition to them.
"The views coming from that mountain is looked upon with great respect by the Eastern Orthodox Church." *Do* they look at them with great respect? Or are they just afraid of them (and of other hardliners in the EO church)?
He wasn't the Echumenical Patriarch, he was the patriarch of Jerusalem. And as responses below said, we Eastern Orthodox too hope you would focus on the Orientals, so we could be freed from the demoniacs of the Vatican, by you leaving us alone.
@Private Citizen First of all, we don't know if these are the last hour. In fact the Eastern Orthodox Church is growing massively, as people are getting tired of the western nonsense of theological lawyering. Secondly, I call demoniacs demoniacs, I don't care if they're in communion with us or not. Pachamama worship is clearly demonic, as are the two gatherings in Assisi held by the previous two popes. These are just very public examples I've chosen. Thirdly, we pray for all other Christians and non-Christians. It is our duty. The entire "mystical east" is almost a pejorative, where people think we have no theology we just go around chanting prayers and whatever happens, happens. No, our theology is very developed, just not scholastic in its cataphaticism. And it's our devotion to our faith, to both the Church's teachings and its canons, that prohibits the ending of the schism. We're not in schism for the sake of being in schism. God bless you.
"The East is unfamiliar with those confessions, memoirs, and autobiographies so beloved in the West. There is a clear difference in tonality. One's gaze never lingers on the suffering humanity of Christ, but penetrates behind the kenotic veil. To the West's mysticism of the Cross and its veneration of the Sacred Heart corresponds the eastern mysticism of the sealed tomb, from which eternal life eternal wells up." ― Paul Evdokimov, Orthodoxy
Most of Eric Ybarra's interactions with the Orthodox Christians has been on Orthodox Facebook Groups and pages for the past few years. I suggest the viewers to look at them to see why he had these views on Orthodoxy in the first place. I am a returning Catholic (for family and personal reasons) from Orthodoxy and this video has made me ask more questions than having it answered because of whether it his research or just plain plagiarism .
One of the FB groups Tran AnPhong Bristol is referring to is the "Orthodox Theology and Apologetics." It was formerly known as the "Apologetics War Zone."
@@CatholicK5357 Your heaviness. This comment is 5 years old and there has been more evidence that has shown up over that. Your heavy evidence would crash the UA-cam comments as Eric had more interactions with EO community within 5 years. It is way beyond a reasonable doubt that Eric interacted with EO online. Edit: I changed he to Eric.
@@AnphongBristol Well, the thing about public comments is that they are still readable five years later. When people accuse others of things like plagiarism, it is not unreasonable to be heavy. Your heavy accusation of plagiarism has an effect on all who read it.
@@CatholicK5357 Welcome to patristics where the accusations of plagiarism is rampant across Church history. Ubi Petrus and Craig Truglia did rejoinders on Eric since I posted and I am not the only one who accused Eric of plagiarism. The proofs would break the comments section.
@Apostolic Hawaiian Because he's an apostate coping because he knew the theological dangers of being a sede when he began to have problems with the Church. Now he's busy in his pseudo-Hindu Palamas-essence/energy mumbo jumbo.
@@hughanon As much as I find Jay Dyer fun to listen to and entertaining regarding his humor, I think the fact that he was a sede (and perhaps a Dimondite, as their email records show), it takes a lot away from his credibility.
The orthodox church either has the ecumenical patriarch as a universal leader with the ability to create autonomous churches worldwide, or has no leader or unity at all and is an informal collegium of national Caesaropapist churches. Not what Christ intended.
Great, I understand so well the Primacy of the Petrine Identity as a judicial commission i.e. "what you bind on earth is also bound in heaven" the symbol of the keys, and the formation of the Magisterium of the Church by Christ, starting with/at Peter.
Tell me note about why they abandoned Rome. My understanding was that it was some silly ego tistiscal difference over jurisdiction control and command but it eeems like no one really can make sense see if it because it was so dumb.
The council of Ephesus 449 was actually annulled during Chalcedon. That's why despite Leo declaring the council null and void and Theodoret restored, Chalcedon formally restored Theodoret, Ibas, and Domnus and removed (IIRC, it's in the 8th session when Theodoret's entrance is protested and he has to publicly anathematize Nestorius, whom he had not anathenatized at all up until that point - in other words, Pope Leo restored a heretic and the council wouldn't have it) and throughout the council, various canons at Ephesus II are overturned.
"Erick is a lay expert on the Orthodox Church." ^^Erick immediate proceeds to get the number of autocephalous and autonomous churches wrong. ^^Refers to an uncanonized popular monastic writer, Seraphim Rose (Rose was his last name), as "St. Seraphim of Rose." Some expert.
He hasn't been canonized so those icons are uncanonical and are thus not actually icons, just artwork. So again, no icons of him with a halo. We also have the comical "of Rose" title to deal with...
Sky Way How is he supposed to know? Oh, I dunno, maybe basic research into icons? Basic mistake about a name? He claims books by this author were regularly read by him and his fellow parishioners so he's better know. What it shows us what I learned interacting with Erick for two years: he's sloppy, a plagiarist, and does little to know original research himself. You studied EOy for a year yet you still don't know what "primacy" is? Me thinks you've done only a very shallow and cursory study.
Sky Way please refrain from untrue accusations, there's nothing here I've said that's "uncharitable." Second, basic research into icons is exactly what it means, the term is self-explanatory and I've yet to meet someone in person who thinks Seraphim Rose is a canonized saint so I have no idea where he's getting his info. Even if there are "icons" of him with a halo, the fact that the vast majority of them are not should send up a gigantic red flag to anyone who knows the basics of icons (saints have halos). You don't understand the concept of primacy vs. supremacy. Show me where in the first millennium primacy meant universal immediate jurisdiction.
Sky Way Primacy is not supremacy, look up the dictionary definitions: primacy means to be the first - nothing more. Supremacy means a dictatorship. Concerning those quotes, all of them are completely put in context on Edward Denny's "Papalism," which, ironically, is now the position defended by RC scholars, including Pope Benedict XVI (see the Ratzinger Formula and notice the verb tense in the last sentence).
I thought this was good and very informative. However I could have sworn he said all Maronites were in communion and all Coptics were not? Was I mistaken? Other sources are indicating some Coptics are in communion with Holy Mother Church.
The fact of the matter is all these fruitless branches were severed from His church by God. They however, like all non-Catholics, thinks as worshiping God, while merely serving devils. The only difference among all these are how they use God’s work to violate commandment 1: Orthodox uses the rituals while Protestants prefer the Bible but conventional pagans still uses some even older works such as idols or rocks.
Look , it had to be, that what is in scripture surfaced , everyone knew exactly what Christ meant in the Petrine scriptures , namely that people held primacy..Isa 22:22 I THINK, every jew knew the Apostles knew, that scripture they understood the KEYS open and shut the city gates of Jerusalem ...only one men held the Keyes and then he close or open , was in this one keeper of the keys hands.....all the rest of the future centuries were unknown to them , but to us who were not of the jewish faith Gentiles we too understood because the Apostles taught it to us , and Ignatius was appointed by Peter himself at Antioch who was the first Bishop but was called to Rome....Ignatius understanding as Erick has certain clear waight
Ryan , ONE :U NEED A CLEARER BETTER MIC ! 2; u need to speak consistent volume instead of lower and louder , or softer and louder...becuase your very hard to understand.
WHY PETER ? WHY ROME? Constantine as emperor was the one who made christianity to stand out as Emperor Constantine's choice among the plurality of beliefs existing in pagan Rome; making Christianity the public religion because he won the civil war by the sign of the cross of Christ. He had smaller army but was predicted to win. Reasons to look to the authority of Peter in Rome at that time: 1)Constantine found that Christianity has better moral teachings and sense of democratic justice. 2) The apostles ( and apostolic successors ) would recourse to Peter for advice and for unity in leadership. 3) Rome is the capital of the Empire and Peter's decision made a difference because the apostles turned to him for advice , and also would report to Peter of what is going on among the Christian converts in their own individual province or district. 4)To Peter or Rome both on problems of the Jews or those of natives or Gentiles. 6)Also problems of understanding the Christian faith or catechetical teaching. 7) ) Turn to Peter also on problems of reception or resistance of the faith; or of liturgy or persecution. 8) ) All of these entail central conference to solve. 9) ) These leaders made Peter the central communication and his decision held priority from others. 10) ) Rome is the center of the Empire.
1:10:00 was not an **infallible** declaration of the Pope; it was the Pope exercising his ultimate authority, which is very important to *not* conflate with a formula of Papal pronunciation. It is not thus Papal infallibility that we implicitly accept, but, with wide open arms, ultimate and total Papal supremacy over the Body of Christ. That's not a Vat I example. Tome of Leo arguably may be, though.
I'm just thinking people need to organize their thoughts better. It is respectful to listeners not to meander on. We live in a fast-paced world. "Less is More"...and what good is a thorough explanation if people Exit-Out after 10 minutes??
Some people like to listen to long conversations like this while they are driving or doing chores. Other people want shorter videos. That’s why we get both.
Eastern Orthodox are not associated with a national identity, they’re just more inclined toward it because of the religion’s more atomistic character. My mother grew up Greek Orthodox and her entire family is Czech. The congregation MAY be mostly Greek or Russian or whatever, but these masses are no more Greek than the Roman Catholic masses Latin. The Byzantine rite (Catholic) uses leavened bread soaked in wine and the churches are indistinguishable from the Orthodox. I’m sure the Coptics have their own thing, Ethiopians, etc.
And? Women shouldn’t be anywhere near the alter. It’s the same in Catholicism. Unfortunately due to the abominable heresy of modernism the disgusting practice of female lay ministers has creeped into The Church, but that’s not how it’s supposed to be.
That is correct. You will find the same in the catholic church. If you are a feminist or an effeminate, yet still try to fake being somewhat a christian, go find some protestant church that is proficient in twisting the word of god to make people feel good in their depravity.
I am a Catholic convert from Greek Orthodoxy and I have been waiting for something like this. I believe the Lord used this channel to convert me.
Daniel Jaghab I've been in struggle between catholic and orthodox for 2 years now and this video is a tremendous help to stay Catholic.
My brother, the Catholic faith is the most valuable thing in my life. Never let go of it, no matter how dark things might get in the Church. Holy Mother Church is in Her Passion now, so She calls us to unity now more than ever. God bless you, I'll be praying for you.
Daniel Jaghab Too bad Erick doesn't understand the EO position...
"Before that event support for petrine primacy is commonplace among Greek fathers, because the papacy swore allegiance to Byzantium & had some byzantine popes."
**Even after that, the primacy of Rome is well attested to. But it's just that primacy, not supremacy. I recommend "Byzantine and the Roman Primacy" by the Catholic scholar Fr. Francis Dvornik. It's a short, to the point book that gives examples of how the Roman primacy was exercised in the first millennium in the East.
PapalSoldier The first quote was by Philip the Deacon at Ephesus and says nothing out of the ordinary with EO theology. Second, no one either confirmed nor denied his statement.
The second and third comments are fairly ordinary as well. You'll have to prove the terms like "head" and "chief" mean infallibility and universal ordinary jurisdiction - even St. Basil the Great refers to St. Athanasius as "head and chief of all" ("have thought that I could not make a more fitting beginning than by having recourse to your excellency, as to *the head and chief of all,* and treating you as alike adviser and commander in the enterprise." Epistle 69).
They call Leo the "vinedresser"? Yeah? And then they push through canon 28 showing they didn't think he had absolute authority.
Seriously, these have all been put in context before, the most complete collection being in Edward Denny "Papalism."
archive.org/details/papalismtreatise00dennrich
You can pull up a quote on EOy by Fortescu (who thought Pius X was obnoxious and had turned the Papacy into a dictatorship - I'll give you quotes if you want) but I can get one from a Pope:
"Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than what had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium . . . Rome need not ask for more. Reunion could take place in this context if, on the one hand, the East would cease to oppose as heretical the developments that took place in the West in the second millennium and would accept the Catholic Church as legitimate and orthodox in the form she had acquired in the course of that development, while, on the other hand, the West would recognize the Church of the East as orthodox and legitimate in the form she has always had.”
**Notice that verb tense in the last sentence: "...she has always had." In other words, Pope Benedict XVI just stated we're the same now as we always have been.
Thank you for this. Raised Catholic, converted to EO. Have struggled with this for years. This gave me insight to digest. God bless you and Eric. Thank you.
I've been waiting for a video like this!! Pax
Lord, please end the schism!!!
Yes, I pray this daily, and include the Coptics and Assyrian Church of the East. It needs to stop. The Muslims exist because of this mess, as do the Protestants. My (Traditionalist Latin Mass Roman Catholic) wife and I were talking about this yesterday.
This is so interesting and informative! Although I remain Roman Catholic because it’s the Church of my heritage, as an artist I do LOVE the aesthetic beauty and iconography of the Eastern Orthodox churches! I love the architecture and the stunning visual and musical effects of their liturgy, although I never understood it very much. Thank you for sharing this to help us understand it more!
Those church photos are gorgeous enough to make the typical Novus Ordo church look almost ugly.
The path to unification between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church is thorny and difficult, and is complicated by those monks in Mt. Athos who believe the Catholic Church as belonging to the antichrist. The views coming from that mountain is looked upon with great respect by the Eastern Orthodox Church. I believe this controversy will only be finally resolved by Jesus Christ himself when he comes back.
Those monks in Mt. Athos actually excommunicated their own Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I after he met with "heretical antichrist" Pope Paul VI back in 1964.
Let's instead focus our efforts on the healing and reconciliation between the Catholic Church and the Oriental Orthodox Church rather than the Eastern Orthodox Church, since that relationship is so much less acrimonious, intransigent, dogmatic, and so much more characterized by Christian Charity on both sides.
I agree fully.
Catholic-Eastern Orthodox reunion is totally out of sight, it 100% won't happen this century.
Meanwhile, Catholic and Assyrian and Catholic and Oriental Orthodox communion is realistic.
Catholics should focus reunification efforts entirely on the Assyrians and Orientals for now. The Byzantine Greco-Slavs are a lost cause right now, our efforts with them should mainly be defending against their attacks and reducing attrition to them.
"The views coming from that mountain is looked upon with great respect by the Eastern Orthodox Church."
*Do* they look at them with great respect? Or are they just afraid of them (and of other hardliners in the EO church)?
He wasn't the Echumenical Patriarch, he was the patriarch of Jerusalem.
And as responses below said, we Eastern Orthodox too hope you would focus on the Orientals, so we could be freed from the demoniacs of the Vatican, by you leaving us alone.
@Private Citizen First of all, we don't know if these are the last hour. In fact the Eastern Orthodox Church is growing massively, as people are getting tired of the western nonsense of theological lawyering.
Secondly, I call demoniacs demoniacs, I don't care if they're in communion with us or not. Pachamama worship is clearly demonic, as are the two gatherings in Assisi held by the previous two popes. These are just very public examples I've chosen.
Thirdly, we pray for all other Christians and non-Christians. It is our duty.
The entire "mystical east" is almost a pejorative, where people think we have no theology we just go around chanting prayers and whatever happens, happens. No, our theology is very developed, just not scholastic in its cataphaticism. And it's our devotion to our faith, to both the Church's teachings and its canons, that prohibits the ending of the schism. We're not in schism for the sake of being in schism.
God bless you.
@@СаваСтанковић-с7к the EO Church would stop growing if you guys actually read what Church fathers and councils give for evidence on papacy...
"The East is unfamiliar with those confessions, memoirs, and autobiographies so beloved in the West. There is a clear difference in tonality. One's gaze never lingers on the suffering humanity of Christ, but penetrates behind the kenotic veil. To the West's mysticism of the Cross and its veneration of the Sacred Heart corresponds the eastern mysticism of the sealed tomb, from which eternal life eternal wells up."
― Paul Evdokimov, Orthodoxy
Most of Eric Ybarra's interactions with the Orthodox Christians has been on Orthodox Facebook Groups and pages for the past few years. I suggest the viewers to look at them to see why he had these views on Orthodoxy in the first place. I am a returning Catholic (for family and personal reasons) from Orthodoxy and this video has made me ask more questions than having it answered because of whether it his research or just plain plagiarism .
One of the FB groups Tran AnPhong Bristol is referring to is the "Orthodox Theology and Apologetics." It was formerly known as the "Apologetics War Zone."
Wow, heavy accusations. Such requires heavy evidence.
@@CatholicK5357 Your heaviness. This comment is 5 years old and there has been more evidence that has shown up over that. Your heavy evidence would crash the UA-cam comments as Eric had more interactions with EO community within 5 years. It is way beyond a reasonable doubt that Eric interacted with EO online. Edit: I changed he to Eric.
@@AnphongBristol Well, the thing about public comments is that they are still readable five years later. When people accuse others of things like plagiarism, it is not unreasonable to be heavy. Your heavy accusation of plagiarism has an effect on all who read it.
@@CatholicK5357 Welcome to patristics where the accusations of plagiarism is rampant across Church history. Ubi Petrus and Craig Truglia did rejoinders on Eric since I posted and I am not the only one who accused Eric of plagiarism. The proofs would break the comments section.
I love the massive intricate architecture of the cathedrals
I had difficulty understanding many remarks/responses from Ryan, whereas those of Eric Ybarra were crystal-clear
Let's arrange a public debate.
Jay Dyer would be better than the Fuentes debate
Apostolic Hawaiian He hasn’t found his match yet.
@Apostolic Hawaiian Because he's an apostate coping because he knew the theological dangers of being a sede when he began to have problems with the Church.
Now he's busy in his pseudo-Hindu Palamas-essence/energy mumbo jumbo.
@@hughanon
As much as I find Jay Dyer fun to listen to and entertaining regarding his humor, I think the fact that he was a sede (and perhaps a Dimondite, as their email records show), it takes a lot away from his credibility.
Hopefully you aren't as rude to Eric as were to Nick
This video was very informative. Thank you for this!
The Pope admitting his true place as Western Patriarch rather than supreme leader over the Universal Church would be a massive first step.
He is Supreme Leader of the Universal Church - just as Peter was supreme among the Apostles.
The orthodox church either has the ecumenical patriarch as a universal leader with the ability to create autonomous churches worldwide, or has no leader or unity at all and is an informal collegium of national Caesaropapist churches. Not what Christ intended.
lmao I found a comment in a blog from Eric Ybarra when he still was a protestant
so what?
Thank God for Perry Robinson
@@petars4444 I think it's just that we all grow. You can find comments from me from when I was a raging atheist/anti-theist.
Great, I understand so well the Primacy of the Petrine Identity as a judicial commission i.e. "what you bind on earth is also bound in heaven" the symbol of the keys, and the formation of the Magisterium of the Church by Christ, starting with/at Peter.
The Greek Church abandoned Rome over hairsplitting.
Tell me note about why they abandoned Rome. My understanding was that it was some silly ego tistiscal difference over jurisdiction control and command but it eeems like no one really can make sense see if it because it was so dumb.
Ok epic! I love Reason and theology
The council of Ephesus 449 was actually annulled during Chalcedon. That's why despite Leo declaring the council null and void and Theodoret restored, Chalcedon formally restored Theodoret, Ibas, and Domnus and removed (IIRC, it's in the 8th session when Theodoret's entrance is protested and he has to publicly anathematize Nestorius, whom he had not anathenatized at all up until that point - in other words, Pope Leo restored a heretic and the council wouldn't have it) and throughout the council, various canons at Ephesus II are overturned.
"The robber council was actually annulled during Chalcedon, that's why Leo declared it null and void"
"Erick is a lay expert on the Orthodox Church."
^^Erick immediate proceeds to get the number of autocephalous and autonomous churches wrong.
^^Refers to an uncanonized popular monastic writer, Seraphim Rose (Rose was his last name), as "St. Seraphim of Rose."
Some expert.
He doesn't have a halo in them. Also, he's not "of Rose." Both are amateur mistakes.
He hasn't been canonized so those icons are uncanonical and are thus not actually icons, just artwork. So again, no icons of him with a halo. We also have the comical "of Rose" title to deal with...
Sky Way
How is he supposed to know? Oh, I dunno, maybe basic research into icons? Basic mistake about a name? He claims books by this author were regularly read by him and his fellow parishioners so he's better know. What it shows us what I learned interacting with Erick for two years: he's sloppy, a plagiarist, and does little to know original research himself.
You studied EOy for a year yet you still don't know what "primacy" is? Me thinks you've done only a very shallow and cursory study.
Sky Way please refrain from untrue accusations, there's nothing here I've said that's "uncharitable."
Second, basic research into icons is exactly what it means, the term is self-explanatory and I've yet to meet someone in person who thinks Seraphim Rose is a canonized saint so I have no idea where he's getting his info. Even if there are "icons" of him with a halo, the fact that the vast majority of them are not should send up a gigantic red flag to anyone who knows the basics of icons (saints have halos).
You don't understand the concept of primacy vs. supremacy. Show me where in the first millennium primacy meant universal immediate jurisdiction.
Sky Way
Primacy is not supremacy, look up the dictionary definitions: primacy means to be the first - nothing more. Supremacy means a dictatorship.
Concerning those quotes, all of them are completely put in context on Edward Denny's "Papalism," which, ironically, is now the position defended by RC scholars, including Pope Benedict XVI (see the Ratzinger Formula and notice the verb tense in the last sentence).
I thought this was good and very informative. However I could have sworn he said all Maronites were in communion and all Coptics were not? Was I mistaken? Other sources are indicating some Coptics are in communion with Holy Mother Church.
The fact of the matter is all these fruitless branches were severed from His church by God. They however, like all non-Catholics, thinks as worshiping God, while merely serving devils. The only difference among all these are how they use God’s work to violate commandment 1: Orthodox uses the rituals while Protestants prefer the Bible but conventional pagans still uses some even older works such as idols or rocks.
Amen !
Look , it had to be, that what is in scripture surfaced , everyone knew exactly what Christ meant in the Petrine scriptures , namely that people held primacy..Isa 22:22 I THINK, every jew knew the Apostles knew, that scripture they understood the KEYS open and shut the city gates of Jerusalem ...only one men held the Keyes and then he close or open , was in this one keeper of the keys hands.....all the rest of the future centuries were unknown to them , but to us who were not of the jewish faith Gentiles we too understood because the Apostles taught it to us , and Ignatius was appointed by Peter himself at Antioch who was the first Bishop but was called to Rome....Ignatius understanding as Erick has certain clear waight
Ryan , ONE :U NEED A CLEARER BETTER MIC ! 2; u need to speak consistent volume instead of lower and louder , or softer and louder...becuase your very hard to understand.
WHY PETER ? WHY ROME?
Constantine as emperor was the one who made christianity to stand out as Emperor Constantine's choice among the plurality of beliefs existing in pagan Rome; making Christianity the public religion because he won the civil war by the sign of the cross of Christ.
He had smaller army but was predicted to win.
Reasons to look to the authority of Peter in Rome at that time:
1)Constantine found that Christianity has better moral teachings and sense of democratic justice.
2) The apostles ( and apostolic successors ) would recourse to Peter for advice and for unity in leadership.
3) Rome is the capital of the Empire and Peter's decision made a difference because the apostles turned to him for advice , and also would report to Peter of what is going on among the Christian converts in their own individual province or district.
4)To Peter or Rome both on problems of the Jews or those of natives or Gentiles.
6)Also problems of understanding the Christian faith or catechetical teaching.
7) ) Turn to Peter also on problems of reception or resistance of the faith; or of liturgy or persecution.
8) ) All of these entail central conference to solve.
9) ) These leaders made Peter the central communication and his decision held priority from others.
10) ) Rome is the center of the Empire.
1:10:00 was not an **infallible** declaration of the Pope; it was the Pope exercising his ultimate authority, which is very important to *not* conflate with a formula of Papal pronunciation. It is not thus Papal infallibility that we implicitly accept, but, with wide open arms, ultimate and total Papal supremacy over the Body of Christ. That's not a Vat I example. Tome of Leo arguably may be, though.
That Novus Ordo is just so heinous though, what do I do?
Go to a Latin Mass. Or an Eastern Catholic Church in communion with Rome.
I'm becoming Orthodox, but that's just me.
Find a TLM ASAP
russian byzantine servicebis one of the most reverent services ive been too. it put my catholic byzantine to shame ---thanks vatican 2
The novus ordo missae is one of the most irreverant services I've been to. No thanks Vatican II
@@maxkol4380 maybe go to some real catholic church.
@@Jrayhood I do. I attend the Traditional Mass only. Sometimes I go to the Eastern-rite.
@@maxkol4380 going to a TLM should be enough to have anyone realize Catholicsim is the one true faith.
T-W-O H-O-U-R-S...13 M-I-N-U-T-E-S!!! Maybe it would be MORE effective if thoughts were organized and condensed..?
I'm just thinking people need to organize their thoughts better. It is respectful to listeners not to meander on. We live in a fast-paced world. "Less is More"...and what good is a thorough explanation if people Exit-Out after 10 minutes??
Some people like to listen to long conversations like this while they are driving or doing chores. Other people want shorter videos. That’s why we get both.
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That there must be a simpler more accurate way
Eastern Orthodox are not associated with a national identity, they’re just more inclined toward it because of the religion’s more atomistic character. My mother grew up Greek Orthodox and her entire family is Czech. The congregation MAY be mostly Greek or Russian or whatever, but these masses are no more Greek than the Roman Catholic masses Latin.
The Byzantine rite (Catholic) uses leavened bread soaked in wine and the churches are indistinguishable from the Orthodox. I’m sure the Coptics have their own thing, Ethiopians, etc.
I could see just from the pics that Eastern Orthodox has mostly representations of males
Very few or no females unless it's the V Mary
So what's your point?
butterflybeatles ?
Why does it matter? There are plenty of women in Orthodox churches, I hope you aren't trying to turn this into a weird feminist thing.
And? Women shouldn’t be anywhere near the alter. It’s the same in Catholicism. Unfortunately due to the abominable heresy of modernism the disgusting practice of female lay ministers has creeped into The Church, but that’s not how it’s supposed to be.
That is correct.
You will find the same in the catholic church.
If you are a feminist or an effeminate, yet still try to fake being somewhat a christian, go find some protestant church that is proficient in twisting the word of god to make people feel good in their depravity.
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I agree with you!
Orthodox = rain
Catholic = sunshine