Ben, your music and integral vision has inspired me to continue going further the path of sampling + traditional acoustics. Congratulations on having such a humble, and refreshing perspective on the nature of sound and composing. Lots of love from Ecuador. - And lots of love to you as well, David !
His workflow reminded me of your cult of the written score video. It's interesting to see elements that are normally reserved for music created in a DAW to be performed by musicians reading sheet music.
I'm absolutely obsessed with UA-camrs who use editing as a way to represent theme. Fragmenting the cuts, Fragmenting the frame, Fragmenting the audio, Fragmenting the structure of the script as a whole. Bravo!!!! The medium becomes the message.
@@torterrakart7249 the poem that recurs throughout the album with a bit more each time adding further context and unfolding the larger meaning of the work
Yeah, kinda left me scratching my head, the video production and the opening orchestra scene lead me to imagine more than a live sampling mish-mash. I watched some more of his work and he definitely has talent, but yeah, just not my cup of tea I guess!
What Ben Nobuto is doing with his music is interesting enough, but I don't get why you would call him a classical music composer. I would call what I heard in the video electronic pop experimentations or electronic avant garde.
In the broad definition that most often gets used, when people say “classical” it really just means music that emerges from classical institutions (“ivory tower”), and not a style or genre. I still think it’s a semi-useful term and sort of functions as the opposite pole to folk music. I’m sure we could do better in our terminology though.
I was literally looking just today for content about anyone using a daw to produce "classical/art" music (for lack of any better term). This is really cool.
11:56 that's a good question, what makes a piece of music classical or not...I think classical music isn't one kind of music, etc, I've heard other people say things like that, etc...there are so many kinds of music that are thrown under that label, etc...but if you wrote down a pop, rock, or whatever, song, and notated it with great precision, I don't think that would mean it's classical music...and even though Vangelis didn't write his music down, I would still consider a lot of stuff he wrote as "classical"...it was begging for an orchestra, lol...which I think was the problem with him not knowing notation...so, even if there are many kinds of music thrown under that label, I think the type of music still decides whether it is classical or not...of course, perhaps it gets a little less clearly defined when it comes to deciding if something is an opera or a musical, etc, and there I've read that a huge element is what music the people who "deal with them" usually deal with, I mean...not my personal opinion, I was reading an article saying that The Phantom of the Opera, or Sweeney Todd aren't operas because the people who put them on usually do musicals...a case like that is more like what he's saying, that being classically trained and writing a piece of music makes the music classical music, but in general I don't think so...the singer from the rock band Disturbed used to sing opera...there are people in classical music who write non-classical music and the music isn't considered classical music...so there is an element about what the piece sounds like...rhythm is a defining characteristic, I would guess, for jazz, along with harmony, perhaps harmony is less a defining element for classical music, etc...but the presence of strings, the importance of bowed string instruments, perhaps is an element...I don't know...or whether the piece of music sounds like something written by X or Y, etc...
Vangelis' electronic instruments didn't prevent something about the way his music "went" from screaming "classical music" to me at least, lol...I would feel like it would have sounded better with an orchestra, etc...well, not that I am that familiar with his music, etc, I'm talking the few films scored by him that I've watched...so there's something more than merely being written down and being classically trained (well, he did receive some training, I guess, but he hated it and never really learned music notation, etc)...
...working with classical musicians doesn't work either, I would say...a lot of rock, pop, I don't know, a lot of those songs have a string section...perhaps even more so in the 60s, 70s, etc...nobody considers that makes the music itself classical, etc...
in popular culture the word "classical" has completely lost any definable meaning. "Classical" music hasn't been composed since around 1820. The accepted term for all music by, primarily, academically trained composers is "art music".The term for modern art music is "Contemporary" art music. I'm not going to reply to comments claiming I don't know what I am talking about. I got into one flame war with a commenter claiming film music is classical music. If you think otherwise please post your definition of classical music and we will see how it holds up to scrutiny.
@@avsystem3142 im well aware, that's why i put the term in scare quotes. the issue with the pretentious term "contemporary" is that all new music, including popular styles, is contemporary, and it refers to a time rather than a specific style or tradition. In another 50 years we will not be referring to the "art" music from this period as "contemporary."
as I said in a different comment, I think there's a big distinction between 'composing' where you come up with melodies, harmonies, instrumentation etc to end up with a piece of 'music', and 'sequencing' where you're sequencing a bunch of 'fragments' together in a daw to make a piece of 'sound' or something - I don't think they're the same thing at all.
@gorak9000 that has nothing to do with my comment.I was was talking about the presentation of the video itself. In regards to the music in the video it is very much composed.
You can absolutely 'compose' (haha) music by just 'sequencing' in a DAW. The big producers nowadays aren't notating their stuff, they just play or click in the MIDI, or record the audio of the instrument. That's not 'composing' according to your definition, yet it clearly is music, not just sound.
Loved this. Really enjoyed the approach you took for the video. Did not know about Ben, but the music is super cool! Thanks for the introduction to his music.
hey David! thank you so much for your work and this wonderful art/music/school of thinking essay. everything about is is so much thought out and taken care of. so many take aways! and as a musician I really appreciate that you paid ben. that really makes a difference! it's wonderful to see how much good you bring to the world with this one channel and how many people you affect by it! that's a great way of creating community!
I don't knwo what is more genious, the composer or the way the video explains the experiencing of the gain of knowledge! Kudos for the video and to the Composer too!
Amazing video! I'm impressed by how you structured it and matched the vibe of Ben's music! Very interesting and inspiring to hear him talk and I'm low-key jealous you got to spend a full day talking and jamming with him
That was brilliant. I loved "Halleujah Sim" at the Proms and have been meaning to check out more of Ben's work - this has given me the kick-start I needed. Keep up the great work, David!
That was awesome! Thank you for showing me Ben and for this really awesome video (style). And thank you algorithm for suggesting me this. Subscribed just for this video.
Such an enthusiastic video about contemporary music (like so many other of yours) can do so much for spreading knowledge and love for this music that deserves so much more publicity.
Reminds me of what Steve Reich and others were doing in the 60s with chopping up sound into interesting compositions. Always good to see more people trying to do something different
Fantastic work David & Ben ! Lovely to hear the cultural and personal reasons that influence the fragmentation as the form of the music composition. It speaks to our experience of consuming disparate chunks of media through technology but it also reminds me of Kintsugi - the Japanese art of repairing broken pottery.
I don't often listen to classical but I'm a fan of your videos nonetheless, precisely because of things like this! I've never heard Ben's music but I'm quite interested in changing that now, the compositions discussed here sound so interesting
It's so cool to learn more about the thoughts that go into Ben's work! I discovered hum last year and was very interested about what goes into his music. Thank you both so much for making this video!
Really excellent video, the style of film making reflecting the subject, which you don't often see. Ben's music is incredible too, a great intro to his creativity.
Bitcoin dream is a little marvel IMHO. I have mostly cut myself off from the media, so it was lucky to stumble across this piece in my UA-cam recommendations. Your exposition of this young man's ideas and methods was really refreshing. I got a very good idea of who he is and what he can do and in 10 years time he will be different and doing different thing.
I loved this video. I loved the narrative, it took me a little bit to get the gag but once it became clear I had a massive smile on my face. Also! if you can't interview well, you call it a conversation, or you get really good at editing! And we as a community love the idea of anything involving money!regardless of the ethics of when and how much to pay a musician, they all need money!
Splicing is just another way to explore the sonic world and i really like his CREATIVE approach to unify these granular and fragmented pieces into something delightful . Late Frank Zappa also explored similar creative expressions with his music , his album Civilisation is a very good example.
This video is on to something!!! One of the greatest youtube videos ive seen, and ive seen Bobby Fingers videos... haha... I feel like I may have just watched the future of educational video style. You seem to know exactly this with your use of video game visuals after each lesson tracking and internalizing learner growth in digestible chunks. Yes, there are plenty of new things under the sun if you're always digging into the dirt.
David, your videoskills are becoming as great as your composing skills! Thank you, and thank you Ben Nobuto. I was hoping you two would join to make a video some day. Bitcoin Dream is fantastic!
Excellent concept and editing -- sort of transposes Ben's music into the key of video [appreciation from a seasoned video editor who's been part of an eclectic group of regional music makers that have been doing regular "experimental music jams" for decades. We've just been labeling it Open Improv with performances billed as the Available Resources Band😁].
inspiring and interesting essay, thanks! from what I heard, the Splice main problem is that youtube's copyright scan takes down music with splice-loops quite often. Venus Theory has a video on that.
His music is very clearly not for my taste or sensibilities but I have to respect his ingenuity as a lover of hip hop and electronic music production. I love weird sounds, I love fragmented music, I love interesting relationships between seemingly incompatible pieces.
i love it. maybe now the ancestral originators like akufen, kid606, people like us etc. that did this exact thing (without splice) 20 years ago get some recognition.
Cool video, some interesting ideas for sure. Its motivating me to sample my favorite video game sounds now, and i really like the idea of mixing 12 tone temperment with other temperments. Someone said the editing reminded them of TPAB, maybe it's just because its fresh on my mind but this makes me think of Synecdoche, New York, with the sunniest Philip Seymour Hoffman ever, lol. Cool stuff, thanks for sharing.
Stopping at four minutes since I can't help myself: as a kid who was very into Kraftwerk, Mike Oldfield, Jean-Michel Jarre and was then blown away by the Art of Noise - I see absolutely nothing wrong with this idea. It is exactly where I thought music was going all the way back circa 1984.
Electronic music development started way before Kraftwerk, Oldfield or Jarre… This should be taken more as the continuation of Stockhausen’s experimentation; is more related to Ligeti’s “Artikulation” than “Das Modell”.
thanks so much david!! such a massive honour - never thought i'd be made into my own bentobeat 😭💜
Was fun and fascinating to hang out. Definitely a good combination!
Ben, you blew our minds in a good way.
Ben, your music and integral vision has inspired me to continue going further the path of sampling + traditional acoustics. Congratulations on having such a humble, and refreshing perspective on the nature of sound and composing. Lots of love from Ecuador. - And lots of love to you as well, David !
I love it! Beautiful music!
incredibly cool . you inspire me
Really brilliant concept for a video! Beautifully realised.
Thanks for bringing me here, fantastic video indeed!
yes, thanks for bringing me here!
Truly, thanks for bringing me here too!
Oh hell yeah, I love Ben's stuff! So sick
repetition legitimizes
I thought the same thing when I saw the title
His workflow reminded me of your cult of the written score video. It's interesting to see elements that are normally reserved for music created in a DAW to be performed by musicians reading sheet music.
PM me if you would. I would like to talk to you about my opera/choral VST/AU singing synthesizer called cantai. Thanks!
I'm absolutely obsessed with UA-camrs who use editing as a way to represent theme. Fragmenting the cuts, Fragmenting the frame, Fragmenting the audio, Fragmenting the structure of the script as a whole. Bravo!!!!
The medium becomes the message.
who else does that? :)
the first david bruce video structured like To Pimp a Butterfly
and you're the first to notice, congrats!
What do you mean exactly, if you don’t mind me asking?
@@torterrakart7249 the poem that recurs throughout the album with a bit more each time adding further context and unfolding the larger meaning of the work
i remember you was composed, misusing your orchestra
I'm loving the evolution of your editing style
I'm pretty confident its because he hired somebody else to do it.
nope. have done that for a future video, but not this one!
more impressed by this video than Nobuto's compositions tbh
Yeah, kinda left me scratching my head, the video production and the opening orchestra scene lead me to imagine more than a live sampling mish-mash. I watched some more of his work and he definitely has talent, but yeah, just not my cup of tea I guess!
I think this is one of your best videos yet, David! The meta elements of this were absolutely fantastic!
i love how the editing matches how expiremental his music is
What Ben Nobuto is doing with his music is interesting enough, but I don't get why you would call him a classical music composer. I would call what I heard in the video electronic pop experimentations or electronic avant garde.
It's definitely in the tradition of academic experimental music.
"Classical music" has become a placeholder for sounds from the ivory tower that are awful and painful to listen to
but we pretend it's profound anyway
In the broad definition that most often gets used, when people say “classical” it really just means music that emerges from classical institutions (“ivory tower”), and not a style or genre. I still think it’s a semi-useful term and sort of functions as the opposite pole to folk music. I’m sure we could do better in our terminology though.
Fantastic video. Informative and entertaining. Loved it!
the composition somewhat reminds me of bill wurtz.
They are both very abrupt and spontaneous and heterogenous
Damn you beat me to it.
similar to bill wurtz’s two viral history videos? yea definitely.
but similar to bill’s phenomenal music? no not in the slightest.
I was literally looking just today for content about anyone using a daw to produce "classical/art" music (for lack of any better term). This is really cool.
11:56 that's a good question, what makes a piece of music classical or not...I think classical music isn't one kind of music, etc, I've heard other people say things like that, etc...there are so many kinds of music that are thrown under that label, etc...but if you wrote down a pop, rock, or whatever, song, and notated it with great precision, I don't think that would mean it's classical music...and even though Vangelis didn't write his music down, I would still consider a lot of stuff he wrote as "classical"...it was begging for an orchestra, lol...which I think was the problem with him not knowing notation...so, even if there are many kinds of music thrown under that label, I think the type of music still decides whether it is classical or not...of course, perhaps it gets a little less clearly defined when it comes to deciding if something is an opera or a musical, etc, and there I've read that a huge element is what music the people who "deal with them" usually deal with, I mean...not my personal opinion, I was reading an article saying that The Phantom of the Opera, or Sweeney Todd aren't operas because the people who put them on usually do musicals...a case like that is more like what he's saying, that being classically trained and writing a piece of music makes the music classical music, but in general I don't think so...the singer from the rock band Disturbed used to sing opera...there are people in classical music who write non-classical music and the music isn't considered classical music...so there is an element about what the piece sounds like...rhythm is a defining characteristic, I would guess, for jazz, along with harmony, perhaps harmony is less a defining element for classical music, etc...but the presence of strings, the importance of bowed string instruments, perhaps is an element...I don't know...or whether the piece of music sounds like something written by X or Y, etc...
Vangelis' electronic instruments didn't prevent something about the way his music "went" from screaming "classical music" to me at least, lol...I would feel like it would have sounded better with an orchestra, etc...well, not that I am that familiar with his music, etc, I'm talking the few films scored by him that I've watched...so there's something more than merely being written down and being classically trained (well, he did receive some training, I guess, but he hated it and never really learned music notation, etc)...
...working with classical musicians doesn't work either, I would say...a lot of rock, pop, I don't know, a lot of those songs have a string section...perhaps even more so in the 60s, 70s, etc...nobody considers that makes the music itself classical, etc...
in popular culture the word "classical" has completely lost any definable meaning. "Classical" music hasn't been composed since around 1820. The accepted term for all music by, primarily, academically trained composers is "art music".The term for modern art music is "Contemporary" art music. I'm not going to reply to comments claiming I don't know what I am talking about. I got into one flame war with a commenter claiming film music is classical music. If you think otherwise please post your definition of classical music and we will see how it holds up to scrutiny.
@@avsystem3142 im well aware, that's why i put the term in scare quotes. the issue with the pretentious term "contemporary" is that all new music, including popular styles, is contemporary, and it refers to a time rather than a specific style or tradition. In another 50 years we will not be referring to the "art" music from this period as "contemporary."
Love how your video mirrors Ben's music and turns the viewing experience into a sort of meta-composition of its own
This video is an absolute masterpiece in editing and visual storytelling!! Bravo!!
Genius!
This is a fun and creatively made video. Thanks!
I really enjoyed the form of your video. I had to just listen to it as I was driving. It reminded me of radiophonics like Glenn Gould's Idea of North.
as I said in a different comment, I think there's a big distinction between 'composing' where you come up with melodies, harmonies, instrumentation etc to end up with a piece of 'music', and 'sequencing' where you're sequencing a bunch of 'fragments' together in a daw to make a piece of 'sound' or something - I don't think they're the same thing at all.
@gorak9000 that has nothing to do with my comment.I was was talking about the presentation of the video itself.
In regards to the music in the video it is very much composed.
You can absolutely 'compose' (haha) music by just 'sequencing' in a DAW. The big producers nowadays aren't notating their stuff, they just play or click in the MIDI, or record the audio of the instrument. That's not 'composing' according to your definition, yet it clearly is music, not just sound.
@@gracelandtoo6240 that's true, but that's not what's happening here.
Amazing music, amazing storytelling, amazing editing!
Great video again, David!I didn't know about Ben, and he's a big discovering for me. Thank you! I really appreciate all your content so much :)
Loved this. Really enjoyed the approach you took for the video. Did not know about Ben, but the music is super cool! Thanks for the introduction to his music.
Loved the editing and whole concept!
this video is fantastic!
hey David! thank you so much for your work and this wonderful art/music/school of thinking essay. everything about is is so much thought out and taken care of. so many take aways! and as a musician I really appreciate that you paid ben. that really makes a difference! it's wonderful to see how much good you bring to the world with this one channel and how many people you affect by it! that's a great way of creating community!
Didn’t knew anything of Mr Nobuto until now, thank you very much! And what a fantastic video! A fantastic piece of art in itself. Congratulations
This is an amazing video! Everything is fantastic - the framing, the repeated fragments, the ideas discussed - OUTSTANDING work.
YEAHHHH I love Ben's music! Super glad to see him getting a spotlight here!
I don't knwo what is more genious, the composer or the way the video explains the experiencing of the gain of knowledge! Kudos for the video and to the Composer too!
Amazing video! I'm impressed by how you structured it and matched the vibe of Ben's music! Very interesting and inspiring to hear him talk and I'm low-key jealous you got to spend a full day talking and jamming with him
What a fantastic video. The whole concept and editing is just great!
Incredible production quality, super creative!
Brilliant video, thanks for sharing!
That was brilliant. I loved "Halleujah Sim" at the Proms and have been meaning to check out more of Ben's work - this has given me the kick-start I needed. Keep up the great work, David!
What a wonderful video!
That was awesome! Thank you for showing me Ben and for this really awesome video (style). And thank you algorithm for suggesting me this. Subscribed just for this video.
Brilliant production!
Brilliant video, I feel like you really embodied Ben's approach to art. Playful and respectful, but in a way that develops it for your channel.
I love how once every several years, people seem to act like sampling hasn't been done until now.
Such an enthusiastic video about contemporary music (like so many other of yours) can do so much for spreading knowledge and love for this music that deserves so much more publicity.
Reminds me of what Steve Reich and others were doing in the 60s with chopping up sound into interesting compositions. Always good to see more people trying to do something different
This is a terrific video. I loved every minute.
love the editing Dav
Love the editing. Well done. And thanks for introducing me to a new composer.
Excellent video. Really enjoyed the format.
this video illustrates superb multimedia audio video cognitive composition, in my opinion :-) ty both for your collaboration!
Fantastic work David & Ben ! Lovely to hear the cultural and personal reasons that influence the fragmentation as the form of the music composition. It speaks to our experience of consuming disparate chunks of media through technology but it also reminds me of Kintsugi - the Japanese art of repairing broken pottery.
Great video. Very inspirational!
Amazing video production by the way!
So inspiring!
I don't often listen to classical but I'm a fan of your videos nonetheless, precisely because of things like this! I've never heard Ben's music but I'm quite interested in changing that now, the compositions discussed here sound so interesting
i am interested in how many of these things are perhaps ideas I've taken for granted in the genres i work in, but approached differently
It's so cool to learn more about the thoughts that go into Ben's work! I discovered hum last year and was very interested about what goes into his music. Thank you both so much for making this video!
"Try to imagine how and why he would make music like this" is a really cool prompt.
i'm stealing this sinewave chord thing
Been loving this guy’s music ever since I discovered him through score follower. Thank you for the highlight!
So tell me about score follower
Same here!! SERENITY 2.0 changed my life
@@seanriedy Same-SERENITY 2.0 is incredible!
yesss that's where I found him too!
Wow! What an interesting person, and what a fantastically edited video. So enthralling!
Really excellent video, the style of film making reflecting the subject, which you don't often see. Ben's music is incredible too, a great intro to his creativity.
Bitcoin dream is a little marvel IMHO. I have mostly cut myself off from the media, so it was lucky to stumble across this piece in my UA-cam recommendations. Your exposition of this young man's ideas and methods was really refreshing. I got a very good idea of who he is and what he can do and in 10 years time he will be different and doing different thing.
I was waiting for this video. loved it!
I loved this video. I loved the narrative, it took me a little bit to get the gag but once it became clear I had a massive smile on my face. Also! if you can't interview well, you call it a conversation, or you get really good at editing! And we as a community love the idea of anything involving money!regardless of the ethics of when and how much to pay a musician, they all need money!
Great video. Thanks to you and Ben.
Thanks for another great video!
Props to the editor! (In case you edited it yourself, props to you)
I love your video skills...brilliant
Splicing is just another way to explore the sonic world and i really like his CREATIVE approach to unify these granular and fragmented pieces into something delightful . Late Frank Zappa also explored similar creative expressions with his music , his album Civilisation is a very good example.
this exercises the understanding part of my brain. thank you
thank you for this refreshing and inspiring 20 minute interlude
What a marvellous composer, thank you for bringing it to my attention! ❤
Impressive editing! Bravo
I'm a massive admirer of Ben. He makes colorful, creative, interesting music. No words enough
Such a beautiful video!
wow this video is such an epic development in your style
This video is on to something!!! One of the greatest youtube videos ive seen, and ive seen Bobby Fingers videos... haha... I feel like I may have just watched the future of educational video style. You seem to know exactly this with your use of video game visuals after each lesson tracking and internalizing learner growth in digestible chunks.
Yes, there are plenty of new things under the sun if you're always digging into the dirt.
Amazing video
David, your videoskills are becoming as great as your composing skills! Thank you, and thank you Ben Nobuto. I was hoping you two would join to make a video some day. Bitcoin Dream is fantastic!
I lie in awe before this video ! Bravo and thank you 🤩
Excellent concept and editing -- sort of transposes Ben's music into the key of video [appreciation from a seasoned video editor who's been part of an eclectic group of regional music makers that have been doing regular "experimental music jams" for decades. We've just been labeling it Open Improv with performances billed as the Available Resources Band😁].
inspiring and interesting essay, thanks! from what I heard, the Splice main problem is that youtube's copyright scan takes down music with splice-loops quite often. Venus Theory has a video on that.
His music is very clearly not for my taste or sensibilities but I have to respect his ingenuity as a lover of hip hop and electronic music production. I love weird sounds, I love fragmented music, I love interesting relationships between seemingly incompatible pieces.
YESSSSS Ben fucking rocks really awesome to see you feature him :)
Wow!! ben’s music is dope.
amazing music concept! and kick ass video
Japanese music is well-known for its horizontal organization (consecution, instead of "vertical" harmony) -- so this part fits very well!
i love it. maybe now the ancestral originators like akufen, kid606, people like us etc. that did this exact thing (without splice) 20 years ago get some recognition.
Great video!
a collab with hakushi hasegawa would be awesome
Yessss I've loved this guy's stuff since I heard Serenity 2.0. Glad to see other folks find his stuff!
The whole video is a work of art!!
Your visuals game is fire!
Cool video, some interesting ideas for sure. Its motivating me to sample my favorite video game sounds now, and i really like the idea of mixing 12 tone temperment with other temperments.
Someone said the editing reminded them of TPAB, maybe it's just because its fresh on my mind but this makes me think of Synecdoche, New York, with the sunniest Philip Seymour Hoffman ever, lol. Cool stuff, thanks for sharing.
Love this video. I didn't know who Ben was but the bitcoin dream made me remember Bill Wurtz' music.
Both possess weird interesting minds!
Stopping at four minutes since I can't help myself: as a kid who was very into Kraftwerk, Mike Oldfield, Jean-Michel Jarre and was then blown away by the Art of Noise - I see absolutely nothing wrong with this idea. It is exactly where I thought music was going all the way back circa 1984.
Electronic music development started way before Kraftwerk, Oldfield or Jarre… This should be taken more as the continuation of Stockhausen’s experimentation; is more related to Ligeti’s “Artikulation” than “Das Modell”.
Great video.
nice, very much like James Ferraro, especially Human Story 3
yes! the same thought. and about at least 10 years earlier. So yeah - it's interesting, but not that innovating ;)
Good gateway to contemporary art and opening our mind 🦀
This is pure gold. Sending this to every musician I know.
THIS IS A POST-VIDEO-ESSAY! Like it use video essays as itself as an art form, very cool and unique!
I love how the video is as unhinged as the music itself
This was very fun!
extraordinary video !
Wonderful video editing