I know where franky is in the video. He is in the list of characters he would cut out. Franky has his mask on and has his portrait AND name blurred. With the speed it is scrolling through it can be pretty hard to see. So, there. Jello believes FRANKY could be cut from onepiece
@@aidenhughes2472 Honestly, him wanting to cut Yamato is not as hot take as one would think. I loved Yamato so I am biased, but it is baffling to me how many OP fans actually think Yamato should have been cut or was otherwise unnecessary. Hell, just look at the comment section on that video and there are quite a few who agreed with that take.
2:43:00 About his comment about the art getting sketchier, last year Oda was unable to finish a chapter in time before his surgery, so the chapter's art looked somewhat sketchy until the volume release where it was corected, although many people liked the sketchy look since it was a literal war flashback
@@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 the thing is, the art wasn't even bad, and I think we can excuse a single chapter not being finished around the time Oda had surgery
I personally thought it looked cool and unique since, yeah, it was Kuma's flashback to when he was at a low point in his life, mentally breaking down as his world was too. Sure, the backgrounds suffered a bit too, but it wasn't that bad.
@@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 bruh can you read the *fans* said they liked the sketches in the flashback, the *author* literally said the chapter isn ufinished because he had to get surgery
2:11:47 Oh yeah, Jello claims OP is so long because Oda doesn't listen to editors, but Oda created The Supernovas because an editor said there wasn't enough stuff in the arc, and tey play major roles in legit 50% of One Piece's total lenght, and Oda has confirmedin interviews that he HAS been shortening the story by combining arcs since the timeskip, Punk Hazard is a fire and ice island because it was originally 2 separate arcs on 2 different islands, Green Bit was meant to be a separate arc from Dressrosa instead of just a location on the island
I mean~ as much as the fans dislike Apoo, he does contribute to a lot of the plot of Wano, atleast The Raid. He actually has it where the Kid Pirates team up with Luffy and Law and greatly helps in it, and even helps Drake for a while, holding back CP0. To say he doesn't do anything is pretty outlandish.
@@orbboom6119 I don't know if it was liying, so much as being so caught up in your own bias to not even check wheter what you are saying it's correct. Which is still bad, but you know, not as much as malicious lie
1:12:05 Also Jello answered his own question with the actual answer, her power to grow body parts does not usually lead to dragged out fights, she usually just instally grows a pair of arms to instantly strangle or snap her opponents necks, and that doesn't make for good 1v1's
The fact that Jello is mad that Nami didn't save herself from Arlong kind of gives me a bad taste in my mouth, because I don't think he realised it, but that is kind of along the lines of "just walk away" when it comes to abuse. Like, that entire arc is basically one long metaphor for what abuse can do to you and how it affects you mentally, so him wishing she would have defeated Arlong in armed combat is him just entirely missing the point. Then again, I'm not surprised, Jello has proven to me on numerous occasions that for priding himself on his literary takes and even writing his own series, his inability to read subtext is astounding. He's someone who has on a few occasions has had the point made and then literally highlighted and explained, and he still somehow manage to miss it. This man has played through the Ace Attorney games and consistently either refused to read or did read and still failed to pick up on clues, to the point where he played through Ace Investigations with a walkthrough because "the solution never makes sense and is stupid." Also, Nami *does* arguably save herself. Arlong is quite literally undefeatable until Nami breaks her mental chains and opens herself up to put trust in others. Luffy literally stays out of the entire conflict until _she_ asks him to help her. All he does up until that point is waiting for her to take the first step and support her when she does, continuously letting her know through the presence of the crew that she has an out. The moment when Nami says the line "Luffy? Help me..." is when she frees herself and break the mental chain Arlong placed on her. Everything else after that is just the crew making sure it stays that way.
Being a strong woman (or any character in general) doesn't mean that you always have to be strong, or that you can't show weakness or vulnerability. That's what makes them human.
Abuse my ass lmao, now Nami abuses Sanji and Luffy when they do dumb shit, abuse is a joke in anime, that Is why anime as a medium for these issues suck.
While the ending really pisses me off, the Franky erasure is really terrible... especially when it was just announced that Kazuki Yao - Franky's VA - is stepping down from the role!
Bug salute to him, as someone who’s primarily watched the Sub, he’s one of my favorite voice actors. Hope he has a good retirement, genuinely one of the most iconic voices I’ve had the pleasure of hearing.
He really seems to just be really angry that there’s art he doesn’t like that’s more successful than his. And instead of not thinking that and working on his own stuff, he seethes about it on social media
"greatest storytellers in human history", I hope your kidding. Fucking Christ I hope you're kidding. I've read reddit posts with better storytelling the One Piece.
2:00:00 So Jello was complaining that the only hint to the 2nd Fire man's existence is the edge of a third sake cup 400 chapters ago, but 2nd Fire man was introduced in a flashback like 20 chapters after the sake cup shot, the big twist was that he was still alive! And that was also foreshadowed by the revolutionaries picking up an injured person near the end of said flashback
"Go to hell" is basic. "I hope a joyless, contrarian, performative virtue 'this is racist/sexist/sexualises minors and I will attack real people over fictional ones' failed writer-turned-content creator talks about your favourite series" is smart. It's possible. It's terrifying.
Jello thinks franky is a worthless character that adds nothing to the story. He’s said that he shouldn’t be in the story, he even marked him out as an unnecessary character.
@@KelShuthats the problem, that Is everything he Is useful for, he Is extremelly underpowered so he should just stay as a background character bit he is forced into situations where he doesnt have any business
@ He may not be a top tier fighter of the crew like Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbei, but he’s not underpowered. Each member plays an important role in the crew, whether they are seen as powerhouses or not.
... Franky is an extreme powerhouse that has shown he has fighting prowess as well as engineering Genius. Did we all forget he fought one of Kaido's top men!? Without needing an upgrade?!
2:44:36 He mixed complaints about the anime into one: 1. The anime really drags out some scenes occasionally 2. The anime tends to increase the breast sizes of female characters (usually also thinning their waists) He also used Imporio Ivankov, literal Queen of Queers in One Piece, to make a trans joke due to Ivankov's ability to manipulate hormones which let's Ivankov transition a person's gender alongside combat abilities and healing abilities
We also have ivankov's second in command Inazuma who is clearly some kind of gender fluid, they are sometimes a man, sometimes a woman, and no one makes a big deal out of it. It is just how they are.
Oda has straight up stated that the more beautiful his wife gets in his eyes, the more beautiful he will draw Nami, and assumedly the other women as well. Also, despite his many of his protagonist women having a kind of general "attractive" body shape, there is still quite a lot of variety between them. Eye sizes can be different, noses, where everything sits, heights, colours, it's mostly the frame work that is samey and that kind of applies to his men as well. And considering it's a weekly serialised manga, that is kind of expected, as it's rather common for all kinds of weekly drawn series, manga or not.
He also stated straight up he thinks it’s stupid when the women in shonen are weak and helpless with a copy paste personality, so he wrote a bunch of women who have a wide variety of skill sets and personalities. He even lets women save men pretty regularly, anyone who’s watch the first few episodes of romance dawn can tell you there would be no one piece without Nami, Zoro and Luffy would have died without her navigation (aka her intellect). Like it or not that’s how you do representation, you have a lot of characters who are all different from each other
It's truly a magical experience when you make a video that manages to make everyone hate it as well as you Non fans sure can't enjoy it when the guy breaks character at every opportunity to clarify how much he hates everything Casuals are given a chance to test their intelligence by having even them tell how many stuff Jello got wrong (the meme is that Zoro is racist, not sexist. The meme is racism, not sexism!) And oh boy, are the classic/diehard fans gonna enjoy having another really long piece of media as they aren't going to leave this video for having to pause at every second just to ask themselves "What's going on inside this guy's head"
Oda once wrote out what was in the minds of each Strawhat member and Nami's was literally something like "money, money, money, money, beauty." Gir might have a one track mind, but she sure knows what she wants.
I know Oda said that she would be a schoolteacher if she lived in our world but I politely disagree. I strongly believe Nami would be a finance bro and she would dominate the stock market
1:36:06 Nami had like 2 moments (as far as I can remember) where it was hinted she might be interested into girls: first she looks at a secretary being provacative and says "Wow, I would like her to be my assistant, Wait I'm talking like a pervy old man" and then like 200 chapters later she says "I like Navy women" while looking at Tashigi taking care of some children that were kidnapped by the bad guy of the arc, but that 2nd one could just as well be refering to the fact her adoptive mom was ex Navy. And even if she was into girls she never even had a romantic relationship in the series or it's expanded material
there's also an SBS or somethign showing us the straw hats fave things or something in their heads, and nami's has something like "beautiful women" alongside "treasure" and such, but I can't verify that one that much.
1:15:18 During Baratie Pearl could set himself on fire and the only explanation we got was that he's from the jungle, but that's such a minor detail of a minor villain to get hung up on
SO ABOUT THE SLAVERY AND RACISM THING: so jello is likely referrring to another specific arc, namely fishman island, which highlights how, due to the DECADES of slavery and discrimination they faced at the hands of humans, many fishmen themselves developed their own form of bigotry towards humans. It's not portrayed as a good thing and Jello is trying to frame this as Oda accidentally making a bad aesop about racism...but that's not the point Oda is ACTUALLY MAKING. Oda is presenting the idea is that some among those who are oppressed may, in turn, choose to follow the example of their oppressors, becoming racist bigots themselves in doing so, and showing how virulent and vile such bigotry can be REGARDLESS of who is doing it or what their reasons are. the point is you can't beat racism by being racist, because you jsut become a bigot yourself in the process. THe point is you have to fight oppression head on and not just take it on anyone for having the same ethnicity as those who hurt you. You have to avoid spreading racism altogther and try to find a way to coexist with those willing for it and to punch in the face anyone who refuses that. Arlong being motivated by the racism his people faced to justify terrorising nami for most of her life is not meant to EXCUSE his villainy, and it's not meant to say that this is the end result of ALL people fighting oppression. THe point is victims can be become oppressors too, and we need to be mindful of that to avoid BECOMING that.
In the Fishman island arc. Hordy Jones had slaves and clearly abused them. Like when he used Vander to toss the slaves hundreds of miles into a tower. Forcing them to open the gate to the castle. In a case where they are either dead or barely standing after they land. Hody Jones was never a slave to begin with.
It's almost as if Blaber is the type that would refuse to entertain the idea that members of oppressed and racially discriminated groups themselves also have the potential to be racist and oppressors, and that it's still wrong if they are.
Yeah, for someone so proud over his takes on literary works and even writing his own series, he _struggles_ with subtext. I used to watch his streams (not anymore as I quickly realised what a bunch of twits he and his friends are) and there where situations where the subtext was straight up spelled out and he still somehow didn't get it. He even accused people of making things up when they tried to explain the subtext of some of One Piece's stories when he was reading it during his book club podcast. This guy has played multiple Ace Attorney games and either refused to read or did read and still couldn't pick up on the clues and subtext about characters, to the point where he didn't get some of the darker moments because he didn't seem to understand exactly what was happening, and he played through one of the spin-offs entirely with a walkthrough guide in front of him because he couldn't be arsed figuring things out.
It's really stupid people keep calling Yamato trans when she isn't trans in anyway. She is using the identity of a dead man, she is mantling Oden and wants to be him because of how he inspired her. If she was actually trans she would create her own male identity. She even called Momonosuke their son while she acted as Oden. Like they only reason she calls herself a man is literally because Oden was a man and she's trying to be like him as much as possible. It's so fucking annoying because they completely ignore that actual trans character in the same arc, only wanting Yamato because they're popular.
Wanna give pushback on “Robin doesn’t get more fights because she’d instantly win”; 1) any body parts that Robin summons can still take damage, and that damage does get transferred to her real body. She can summon any number of limbs for her convenience, but doing so increases the risk of getting hurt if she’s against the wrong opponent. 2) plenty of characters in series have abilities that can counter Robin’s power. Logias are an easy example, Robin can’t hurt an element (and in cases like lightning or magma she’d only hurt herself). Moria is another as he could switch his body with his shadow. 3) regardless of Robin’s declaration in Alabasta that strength and speed can’t overcome her powers, some antagonists simply out stat her to a degree where she either can’t tag them, or she can’t damage them.
I lost all respect for Jello, I still love Epithet Erased and will continue to watch and support that show, but I’ve lost all love for Jello. This isn’t just me being pissed over how inaccurate his description of One Piece is, what really set me off was him insulting Oda and spreading misinformation on him and accusing him of a sexual abuser towards his daughters. I don’t care if you are a One Piece hater not everyone is going to love the series, what I can’t tolerate is targeting the author and his family out of some bizarre resentment towards his existence.
I don't think the implication was him being weird about his daughters specifically, but yeah, Jello has earned my eternal scepticism now despite how much I love EE. It's so weird how he can write an amazingly complicated character like Lorelei, yet misunderstand so much about One Piece.
correction about water and devil fruits: ANY form of water works, not jsut salt, its just you need to be above ankle deep in water for the draining effect to happen, simple being splashed by it won't do anything unless you're crocodile (or a fishman where throwing water has the same effect as throwing a brick at someone at high speed, but that's EXCLUSIVE to fishmen and its an effect that works on ANYONE even if they never ate a devil fruit) and regarding special paramecias: that was jsut striaght up a legitimate msitake on oda's part. see Logia's aren;t so much streotypical 'elements' and more based on 'natural aspects of the world', so a mochi logia WOULD have made sense....were mochi actually made naturally, but they are not, and Oda didn't know this when he stated what the character's power was. When this was pointed out he had to retcon it via Special Paramecia being a thing and alter the earlier dialogue to say its the new thing he made up just now. Oda is not perfect and its okay, he at least cops to it i'm pretty sure and is honest about his fuck up. and about the distinction of fruits: the simplest explanation is Logia is like "the power to become an element of nature that makes you invisible more or less", zoan is "transforms you into an animal and boosts your natural physical abilities" and paramecia is "random powers that don't fit in the first two distinctions". So basically paramecias are just ANY wacky power.
@@jartismJA was part of a localization team working on a series called Lovely Complex. It is a gay romance series involving a guy that likes to cross dress. JA and his localization team decided that the cross dresser should be trans instead and rewrote the story to favor their interpretation of the character. When called out on this by the fans, he threw a fit and claimed that his version of the story was better and the "definitive" version. TLDR: JA erased the story of a gay character and made them trans, despite not being the intention of the story.
@@petrpopopepe1764that was him, and he also slandered the author as a sociopath based on his terrible interpretation of her story. I believe he also tried throwing a transphobia label in there because of equally dubious reasons.
"Fights are just ppl punching each other until they dont want to any more & fall down" Luffy Punches Sanji Kicks Zoro cuts Robin chockes/grapples/snaps necks Usopp uses a slingshot with different ammo to shoot down most of his enemies. Franky's most powerful attack is an air cannon & Nami learn how to manipulate the weather to literally BRING DOWN LIGHTNING AT THE ENEMIES
@@jjjmadness8306 Seriously? I didn't think it was possible but somehow I lost even more respect for Jello. If he doesn't like One Piece then just say so there's no reason to slander the author. What's his deal what did Oda do to piss him off so much?
Whats annoying is that this video was trying to be funny but it just comes off like pure slander and devolves even further into insulting the author. Wheres the comedy?
as a quick reminder - Jello has been known to have TERRIBLE opinions on just about everything. The big one in recent memory (aside from his One Piece video) was how he ranked Ace Attorney games, characters and cases
Jello "One Piece is sexist cause Robin doesn't get fights" Also Jello "Robin is the most interesting character" Explain too me how a sexist man ended up with A WOMAN as the most important & most interesting character?!
@bashamd96 I would appreciate if Oda stuck to the variety of body types we've seen in Amazon lily. Some women looking nearly exactly the same is bit of a problem but that's really it
@@yugoxgcto be fair that's something most fans agreed I think oda just has more trouble finding more female faces and body typed Than with guys Btw katakuri and zoro have the same face
That video was utter garbage; it was full of inaccuracies, blatant lies, absurd hot-takes, and the more it went on, the more it felt like personal attack on Oda.
however he DID have nami kissing vivi and high fiving usopp, which is both accurate and based (cause, like, nami being gay is a popular theoru with some decent evidence in the story for)
hold a sec! his series is called "so this is basically...", but he wants to cut out characters and change the stories in One Piece. the title is a frickin' lie!
@@psychospeech6189 It is if you're just starting out reading/watching One Piece and you click on a video entitled "This is Basically", which implies that it's going to be a brief, unspoilered summary of the manga/anime.
Jello's argument that Zoro is sexist is that when an antagonist KO'd Robin Zoro caught her and said "She's a woman!" While giving that antagonist the death glare. Zoro also had 1 more somewhat big instance where he could be called sexist is where the crew where on the clock and he wasted time fighting a female antagonist by trying to only scare instead of actually cutting her, although these moments are like 400 chapters apart
Both of them are just not sexist. With robin he's being chivalric and the other is letting tashigi fight monet because she insisted to fight her and only joined in when he saw he couldn't. Neither is sexist
@@YOGI-kb9tg eh, it can be interpreted both ways, like you can say what you did, but you can also go: "why did Zoro only try to scare her after it was clear Tashigi couldn't beat her?" and that would also be fair as everyone nearly died because of that
@@AlexT7916 he scared her because he didn't want to kill her. Simple and he let tashigi fight because he isn't sexist and was letting her fight on her own terms it's also as simple as that there is no sexism and if you seriously are looking that deep into this scene you are ust looking for subtext that isn't there. Zoro isn't sexist he's perfectly fine at defeating women just look at whisky peak and how he took out baroque works.
I have watched Epithet Erased in its entirety, and unfortunately, I don't have a book. But, I figured since you did cover it slightly in passing interest, I want to inform you about the series in case you want to cover it on another date. To put it in very few words, it's good. It isn't what I would consider fine art or a masterpiece since there are some issues to it, but it is a very charming and fairly well written series with a unique power system. The animation is a bit strange since it has elements of DND (the series was inspired by a dnd campaign that Jello did and has similar story beats and characters) as well as visual novel (the characters don't "move" like a typical animated show, but instead goes through character sprites that reflect the situation like a visual novel and when there is much more action, they switch to a table top grid similar to that of a dnd grid. There is moments where they switch to 2d animation. However, those are usually at the climaxes of the final arc episodes. Funnily enough, Jello is known for lacking basic understanding of subtext, yet in his series, there is a lot of subtext like how Molly (protag) is afraid of fire and its speculated the reason why is because her mother passed away in a fire. Which makes it equally strange on how Jello lacks basic subtextual understanding. Voice acting is amazing, the characters are fun, and the humor is great, really funny series with a geuinely interesting power system. Only issue I have is pacing, as well as the first episode not leaving an amazing impression on you due to how it is set up and kinda mianders and finally, the second arc having much more issues than the first arc. But, overall I do recommend watching the series and you guys checking it out. If you don't want to directly support Jello, i reccomend watching reaction videos, but, thats your choice. Also there is a video excellent video made by DovenDraw that goes into heavy detail on the production of Epithet Erased and the cost of it being made in case you are also interested. Anyway, sorry for the yapfest. Great stream. First time watching.
I remember watching epithet erased when I was younger, genuinely was excited for it, but now? am not even sure because how god awful this guy is, he is so unlikeable that it ruins the taste of his own creation, which while good, feels like I shouldn't support such a negative, and hateful person.
@hellonokay1925 i totally understand. Personally, I always believe separating art from artist. But, I can definitely get why people are turned off of a product or a creative endeavor due to the people behind it
1:46:40 so true, One of the examples that came to mind was the black pearl for pirates of the Caribbean, when the kraken attack, jack and the pearl was killed/ dragged to Davy jones lock,
Haven’t seen your coverage yet, but based on Raven Knight’s response to Jello, holy shit this was rage inducing. I don’t even think Drizzt’s Downfall of One Piece videos made me this angry, and those videos were fucking shit.
1:53:09 The only major opressed character (the guy he's showing might be a minor villain from some extended media that was a slaver) who could be argued became a racist slaver is King, because he was helping Kaido subjugate Wano country and told Zoro "I am biologically superior to you" during their fight, but if that's who he was refering to he should've put him into the video instead of a random fishman
@@-tom-8720 Thing there is that do we know that they where actual ex-slaves or just ex-members of Tiger's crew? Because Tiger had plenty of members who weren't former slaves, like Arlong for example.
1:29:06 While it's true there's a list for character notionalities if they were from our world, it's clear some of them either were just added after to fit or are outright wrong, you cannot convince me that the Yakuza coded Jimbe is Indian
59:15 I’m running a one piece dnd game. I had intended them to run into a scientist. The idea that they enter like a conference and everyone is just arguing over devil fruit status is now going to be added to my game.
I would actually want Franky to have more fights than Usopp in the next arc. Have Franky become the MVP. Because he is Super. I want Franky fight a liar, a cheater, and a manipulator. So Franky can win fair and square.
*also, to be fair to Jello, when he is listing off the crew and skips through the last few - he "technically" does include Franky, yes when he says "the others" but he notably uses a picture of the Merry, which is a reference to the actual story - Franky's wanted poster is of the ship itself and not him. Something people miss, and it's kinda fair given how the rest of the video comes off, of course it's easy to believe someone acting like this would forget a character exists (not helped by him referring to Franky as "others" instead of something like "the actual boat" or something, or even saying Franky's name but just showing the Merry, which would make the intention of the joke more clear imo)
Technically the Thousand Sunny, but your point still stands: there are so many little nods in this video that tell of a greater understanding of the story than people give him credit for (e.g. the iceberg in the shape of Laboon). Which makes sense: it’s satire. Still, I agree that his perception of Oda is badly off. It’s not like he’s Nobuhiro Watsuki. But if he thinks that’s bad, wait until Jello learns how old the characters in Sailor Moon are.
Jello also said that he thinks Franky is a filler character that adds nothing to the story and should not exist. So every bit about him not being included is purposeful. From him being replaced by the ship when discussing the crew, to when he shows a list of all the characters and puts all the Strawhats together but excludes Franky, later places a picture of him in his masked costume and crossing him off as a not important character.
I do agree with the point that the art has gotten more and more sketchy and rough, you can clearly see it through out the years. But then he uses shots of the anime😂which is kinda braindead.
Jello whole video felt bitter like there wasn't anything actually good in this whole video. He made false accusations and pointless jabs at the creator. It genuinely wasn't a good video with how much info he gets wrong of the show and even I'm not completely in the know of one piece. This video has a bitter vibe to it why is he bitter? I couldn't tell you
42:00 Yeah… this part I keep forgetting that they can’t due to the Calm Belt being a thing… and the Sea Kings as well. (Edit: I got Seakings mixed up with Pacificas
The thing is the audio book for prison of plastic is actually fairly decent he got the cast to reprise their roles and theirs some good voice acting in it. Some good emotional moments. I only follow them for their EE stuff but the more they do the more I just want to drop them.
Yep, I am a big fan of EE, so seeing that one piece kinda hurt. (and also confused me on how someone who wrote that series could also have takes that bad)
@@BlowBow2 The One Piece video was a rather bitter pill to swallow upon learning more of Jello's character, though I fortunately learned to separate the art from the artist and I will continue to support Epithet Erased even if I think the creator is an asshole. Though once Epithet Erased is completed I'm going to drop Jello.
@@EthanIlchert Oh yeah absolutely. I would not survive on the internet without that ability given how often the creators are revealed to be horrible people.
I didn't prefer the jab at the Wiki, personally. I mean... come on now. The people putting it together so fans can get a simple synopsis are trying their hardest and this guy shots on it because they are going into every angle of the moments and characters and translation issues over the years. Yes: i remember when Perona was "Pelona," and Oars was "Oz" because, back then, Japanese was slightly harder to translate, especially if you were fan translating it. It's insulting to pick on fans like this.
I know there is at least three interviews with Oda and his various editors he's had over the years, and they consist mostly of their work relation and process. They seem to be hitting off quite well, Oda even commented on things they've got him to develop or add. They don't seem to be best buddies but they joke around and seem both professional and cordial. I also know that other similar interviews have revealed that Oda does actually listen to his editors and sometimes do what they tell him, and the only hard limit he has placed is that they can't suggest arcs or major story beats as, if he finds that he likes the idea, he knows he won't be motivated to draw it because he didn't come up with it himself. And it kind of makes sense, One Piece is his darling. It honestly sounds like it's a case of editors doing what editors should be doing, editing and keeping things flowing well and smoothly, instead of what many editors in a lot of comics companies does and practically run the show. Also, his editors are credited in the Shonen Jump credits and manga credits, so I really don't know where this idea that Oda doesn't have/won't listen to his editors comes from, but it's something I see quite a few people claim.
since you guys touched on the subject of editors hi-jacking the localization of an anime, could you talk about the Ghost Stories English dub? it's possibly the most radical localization out there. Also on the subject of Brendan making things suck, I have a theory: Does anyone think he was trying to pull a "Ghost Stories" on Lovely Complex? I.e. Make the english dub a crass parody of the original?
Nah, nothing so simple. He just wanted to rewrite characters and story beats in order to "improve" not the same faffing about as the crew behind Ghost Stories.
so about the whole thing about zoro's 'sexism': I think Jello is referencing a specific bit from Punk Hazard but got it completely wrong. see in it a pair of women are fighting each other and zoro comes in to help, and the evil woman claims he doesn't want to fight women because he's sexist and the other woman also beleives this to be true, only for zoro to just beat the evil woman with a move that would have killed her but didn't. the point is the women THINK he's being sexist but the truth is he just doesn't care enough to fight at his all against the evil one and the good one he has preexisting baggage over. THe idea that Zoro's sexist somehow is not only completelty nonsensical considering his backstory its also an old ass idea that didn't really take root because the story does not give it enough weight to be a thing. I do think One Piece DOES dip into sexist ideas as a whole occassionally (such as the running gag of only boys liking mechs and all girls finding it bizarre and weird and gross) and this may play into why some of the women characters don't get many fights (it's been said that after his daughters were born Oda became more protective of his female characters during the New World section of the story but it seems he might be growing out of that a little now) but it's not absolute and can be understood as a result of Oda growing up in Japan (which si SUPER sexist as a country) and made up for by the fact he TRIES and is actually really good at writing fun and compelling women, even if some of them don't get to have a fight they are at least good characters who do have more to them which makes it excsuable for them, compared to say shit like naruto which didn't allow any women a good fight or even any notable moments and instead make literally everything involving men.
He is referencing both, as both are a common argument for this. It's also really the only one people who accuse One Piece of being sexist as a whole seem to use. Like, Sanji is right there and the series itself even acknowledges that it is a flaw of his, but no, Zoro is why the _series_ is sexist, apparently... Oda isn't perfect and does sometimes fall into old tropes, but for not only being from a rather conservative culture and also from a different era, he is surprisingly progressive and I'd argue One Piece reflects this in many ways. So I personally feel like there are moments you can criticise, but to claim the series as a whole is sexist or choices are motivated by sexism is a real stretch, and both Jello and plenty of people in his comment section on that video really seem to think so.
Both Sanji and Zoro have weird sexist tendencies that crop up but people get overtly defensive about them. It's okay to acknowledge that they are flawed.
Jello is honestly just a sore loser … and just a nitpick but at 2:13:18 actually no … it’s not correct, you can Yamato a she/her because she’s female aka a woman stated by Oda himself. It’s ok to call her a “he” because she’s role playing as Oden and she wants to represent him … nothing else … so don’t feel stupid because someone has a head canon and tries to push a certain narrative to fill an agenda of theirs … She’s on the top 5 strongest female characters of all of One Piece !!! Also … Jello tries to push that Usopp and Robin have dark skin when they don’t ! In the manga they always had white skin stone, in the anime they messed it up and made them black/have a darker skin tone… but later on they fixed it to be cohesive with the manga.
45:50 maybe someone corrected this already but they don’t FULLY lose there powers in water. Passive effects seem to stay, example, luffy could still stretch his head while his body was submerged in what I believe to be the Arlong park arc. Brooks is still alive when he falls in. Chopper is still intelligent. I also believe big moms homies occasionally tread water. I believe it’s more the fruit can’t be willingly active. Luffy’s still stretchy but someone else has to stretch him. So on so forth.
it has not been shown that eating 2 devil fruits will make you explode, it has only been speculated by people in world also the stone stone fruit and the island island fruit are similar in function, just the stone fruit only allows you to take over stone objects while the island fruit allows you to take over entire islands so they are technically the same power just interacting with specific things but the other 2 definitely don't have the same power, one of them makes Clay golems and may are may not be a logia and the other just has the push push fruit which pushes matter away basically an infinite shovel to dig holes
Happy 50 streams! I wish I could have filled out the survey but I ended up very busy the day of the stream. I do want to suggest you guys getting into mainline SMT and honestly digging into ideas of folklore and religious material out through a occult pulp Japanese lens and how stuff iterates over the years but also deeply melancholic meditations on ideologies and mixed in with just completely campy and awesome silly horror nonsense
As someone who got into Jelloapocalypse after friends showed me Epithet Erased, the animated show and Subsequent novel are pretty good (didnt buy the novel, a friend is supporting him and allows me to listen/read it for free). Do agree though that I very heavily dislike the guy who runs Jelloapocalypse.
Epithet erased isn’t discount high guardian spice….atleast high guardian by legal definition had animation rather then just a power point and the story is more akin to bargain bin jojos bizarre adventure with a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the imagination and creativity
Ive seen jellos lets play videos and they are some of the funniest videos ive ever seen it pains me to see him act so cowardly, miniscule, and mean spirited honestly hurts me.
I also really like his lets play streams, I used to fixate on them a lot when I was younger. However, I do think you can see hints of this behavior in some of those streams. If he finds an aspect of something that he dislikes, whether it be a major or minor detail, he seems to have a difficult time getting over it or notice anything positive about it. He also tends to strongly stick to his opinions once he's made them, even when there is information that would clearly prove him wrong.
@Robin_Glorb yeah, I know he would get political and stuff but I always tried to look past it when he would just be normally funny. it only got more and more common
Do we actually know if Jello was blacklisted from the industry? I know a lot of people claim that but I have seen little evidence of it, especially as he apparently was hired for the dubbing project because he was friends with staff, which gives him a layer of protection. He by all means should be, considering what an absolute bell end he is, but we know what the dubbing scene is like and how little these companies care about the cultural exchange that is a dub. If anything, most of them encourage Jello's behaviour and it's kind of impressive that he got into so much trouble, considering dubbers goes out and get into social media fights on the regular over their work. Like, Jello didn't even brag on his social media, he did it on discord, and he got fired from the project. Seems more theatrics to me than actually caring about the backlash.
Firstly, Jello did not brag on discord, he did so in his Patreon in a post that he later deleted. Secondly, the dubbing company that did Lovely Complex, Discotek Media, has said that they will not be working with Jello anymore due to what he did (they technically never specified the name of the male contractor that they were referring to, but it's pretty easy to determine that it was Jello) Thirdly, none of Jello's story changes are actually present in the dub, because Discotek noticed his absurd changes and removed them. Of course, this brings into question why Jello bragged about making changes to something whose final product does not contain those changes, but that is what happened.
Our powers are the sane power. One of them controls/manipulates stone. One as far as we know literally turned into an island & I think ones power is Digging...b
That was certainly one vid of a time. There are some rough aspects of OP & he did hit the same area those rough aspects are in. (honestly, those rough aspects are more preference gripes rather than objective flaws) But the point buried beneath a sea of pettiness, arrogance & defamation. Since the topic of representation was brought up, I'll say this: While I think it's good to have rep in media, folks have become a little too "black & white" in their drive for more rep. They want their ideal, perfect rep & anything that isn't that is considered bad rep/bigotry. When you represent people, cultures, or experiences, you have to remember that everyone & their experiences have differences. Yes, there's overlap, but there's variation on it. Everyone has different wants in terms of representation. Obviously, you want to avoid stereotypes & tropes based on harmful views & rhetoric. But there are some perfectly fine in isolation that have been overused on certain groups over the decades (look at damsel in distress for one).
It's certainly dumb enough to have been, but it is from the original work. In the Baratie Arc the villain Pearl is wounded by Sanji and in response he panics and lights his armour on fire. And some mooks explains that Pearl used to live in "the jungle" surrounded by wild animals and to protect himself against them he used fire to scare them away. So now, whenever he feels like he is in danger or panics he lights himself on fire to scare off his attacker. And it was apparently something Jello found both really stupid and really funny. And to be fair, it was stupid, and it was funny, but not funny enough to make into a running joke.
Look it’s TOTALLY okay to not like a popular show game or movie! My least favorite game of all time is Minecraft because of how it didn’t appeal to me unlike fighting games platformers and shooters! The only thing I kind of liked about it is the music graphics and character design! But I wouldn’t go out of my way to ATTACK and BULLY the creator (calling him a PDF-ile etc)
Hoo boy and here I thought synthetic mans comments about Angla were bad and now we have this clown. But you know what atleast synthetic made a tasteless joke about a fictional character Jello made tasteless jokes about 3 real women
42:56 i mean to be fair up to this point in the video nothing really problematic was really said,the inane jokes of luffys name are consistent with this videos usual style,the cast have been known to veer off the grand line a couple times and just come right back and there are devil fruits that basically,conceptually,do the same thing either weaker or a bit better like the two weight alteration fruits and Heat and Flame fruits. But after this point in the video....every goes downhill really fast
Okay, but here's the thing about the grand line. Once The Strawhats enter The Grand Line, they've never left. In order to leave, you have the go through The Calm Belt, which is infamously known for not having any air currents. So once you you enter The Calm Belt, you're most likely going to die from giant sea monsters. I think people forget just how massive the world of One Piece is. So unless explicitly said so, since entering The Grand Line, nobody has left.
The only characters aside from the Marines I can recall leaving the Grand Line were Krieg’s fleet (and even then it clearly wasn’t anywhere near being an easy endeavor) and Mihawk, one of the strongest char who can actually deal with the Calm Belts obstacles.
@@WhoisThatGuy- ah i see so the one time they left the grand line was when they went to a literal island in the sky above the grand line. of course. Jello didn't make a mistake then, absolutely.
The resident OP fan here is great (well articulated and all around pleasant to listen to) but he's a bit behind on some stuff. Don't think he's caught up to the manga.
2:23:27 Reminds me of how in the Xenoblade fandom, A was unconfirmed as a non-binary person and the entire fanbase threw a fit. ...Despite that there's already a non-binary character in XC3, already. IE Juniper.
the "nami kissing vivi" thing is actually based on something actually interesting and fun and isn't just "nami's SLIGHTLY masculine so she HAS to be a lsiten", its actually something I DO NOT fault jello for and actually kinda find rather great and cool and based. You see Nami being a lesbian is actually a headcnaon/theory held by a small number of one piece fans, and its one with ACTUAL CANONICAL EVIDENCE to it. For example, in ENies Lobby, Nami outright pervs over the woman she's fighting. "I'd love to have THAT woman for my secretary wait why am i talking like a dirty old man!?" and even is noted to have thoughts about 'women' among her interests in an SBS or something, and in punk hazard even says outright "i cannot deny a request from a beautiful woman". also, personally speaking, seeing how quickly Nami became SO attached to Vivi to the point of being the MOST vocal about helpijng her (even willing to risk suffering a deadly disease jsuts o they could go help her people), I always shipped them and always liked the idea of Nami being gay.
Uh… I don’t see it. Doesn’t it make just as much sense that Nami cares about helping Vivi because she can relate to her situation? Y’know… having your home island taken over by pirates?
@@mr.selyumor5402 the thing is when first meeting Vivi, nami ONLY wants to help because she wants to get treasure from the kingdom as a reward (as well as having no other choice once vivi tells everyone crocodile's name and the unluckies draw their faces), but within the span of little garden she's just SUPER devoted to vivi's mission. but regardless of if you ship nami and vivi or not (this is one peice none of the strawhats are gonna have romances like that), there IS still evidence of her being gay.
Nami has never had "women" to be stated as an interest in any SBS. Beauty and money is, but never women. A lot of people seem to claim this but they all seem to have mixed it up with Sanji. I'm guessing its from the SBS when Oda showed what was always on the mind of the Strawhats and Nami's was basically "money, money, money, money, beauty" while *Sanji* had "women, food, food, Nami, Robin." As for her two comments, the first one is a joke and treated as such, and the second one is incorrect, she never says that. She says that she is "absolutely dreadful at dealing with female Marines" as she feels too safe around them due to her mother having been one, so she struggles to keep her guard up. I don't think we can take these as any proof of canon sexuality. I'm fine with shipping (as long as one is reasonable about it and remember it's all in good fun) and if you're going to ship Nami with someone, Vivi is among the better choices, but lets just make sure we keep headcanon and ships separated from actual canon.
Yeah lol there's barely any nami moments like that and he overcompensates by saying that "she gets the most pussy😹" When the most beautiful woman fell for luffy, hyori for zoro, viola for sanji, etc.
If One piece Fans didn't want to appear cult-ish they definately failed lol Hey guys, it's just a cartoon! none of this matter and we are all gonna die someday, maybe take a deep breath, drink some water and go outside
One, most of the hosts barely knew a thing about the show; this was squarely focused on Jello’a presentation Two, you don’t get that defense any more when calling Ora’s character as human being into question the way Jello did.
@CelticPhoenix just wanna say man really enjoyed the video . Jill really doesn't have to have this ego. I mean, for the most part, he's doing pretty successful, and people actually do like his more original stuff, which, by the way, if you ever get a chance, if you're not interested in this show, then maybe ask one of you guys fans who have lots of to explain to you, and maybe you can actually talk about his book to see how he does as a writer
I know where franky is in the video. He is in the list of characters he would cut out. Franky has his mask on and has his portrait AND name blurred. With the speed it is scrolling through it can be pretty hard to see. So, there. Jello believes FRANKY could be cut from onepiece
I know his name is Cutty flam, but this is ridiculous
Don't forget yamato and carrot
@@aidenhughes2472 Honestly, him wanting to cut Yamato is not as hot take as one would think. I loved Yamato so I am biased, but it is baffling to me how many OP fans actually think Yamato should have been cut or was otherwise unnecessary. Hell, just look at the comment section on that video and there are quite a few who agreed with that take.
whats actually wild is that fake franky from return to sabaody was not crossed out. I'll admit that thats kinda funny
@milkguzzeler4912 What Jello succeeded at was making people recognize how great Franky is. By failing at making it seem that he wouldn't be missed.
2:43:00 About his comment about the art getting sketchier, last year Oda was unable to finish a chapter in time before his surgery, so the chapter's art looked somewhat sketchy until the volume release where it was corected, although many people liked the sketchy look since it was a literal war flashback
That sounds like bullshit, of the art Is ass then it's ass, no war flashback excuse will save it
@@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 the thing is, the art wasn't even bad, and I think we can excuse a single chapter not being finished around the time Oda had surgery
I personally thought it looked cool and unique since, yeah, it was Kuma's flashback to when he was at a low point in his life, mentally breaking down as his world was too.
Sure, the backgrounds suffered a bit too, but it wasn't that bad.
@@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 bruh can you read the *fans* said they liked the sketches in the flashback, the *author* literally said the chapter isn ufinished because he had to get surgery
@@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 This coming from someone who's probably never drawn anything in their life 😒
2:11:47 Oh yeah, Jello claims OP is so long because Oda doesn't listen to editors, but Oda created The Supernovas because an editor said there wasn't enough stuff in the arc, and tey play major roles in legit 50% of One Piece's total lenght, and Oda has confirmedin interviews that he HAS been shortening the story by combining arcs since the timeskip, Punk Hazard is a fire and ice island because it was originally 2 separate arcs on 2 different islands, Green Bit was meant to be a separate arc from Dressrosa instead of just a location on the island
He wanted to villainize oda as much as possible, even if he had to lie💀very pathetic tbh
I mean~ as much as the fans dislike Apoo, he does contribute to a lot of the plot of Wano, atleast The Raid. He actually has it where the Kid Pirates team up with Luffy and Law and greatly helps in it, and even helps Drake for a while, holding back CP0. To say he doesn't do anything is pretty outlandish.
@@orbboom6119 I don't know if it was liying, so much as being so caught up in your own bias to not even check wheter what you are saying it's correct. Which is still bad, but you know, not as much as malicious lie
Editor input is also why we got the amazing backstory to Senor Pink
1:12:05 Also Jello answered his own question with the actual answer, her power to grow body parts does not usually lead to dragged out fights, she usually just instally grows a pair of arms to instantly strangle or snap her opponents necks, and that doesn't make for good 1v1's
The fact that Jello is mad that Nami didn't save herself from Arlong kind of gives me a bad taste in my mouth, because I don't think he realised it, but that is kind of along the lines of "just walk away" when it comes to abuse. Like, that entire arc is basically one long metaphor for what abuse can do to you and how it affects you mentally, so him wishing she would have defeated Arlong in armed combat is him just entirely missing the point.
Then again, I'm not surprised, Jello has proven to me on numerous occasions that for priding himself on his literary takes and even writing his own series, his inability to read subtext is astounding. He's someone who has on a few occasions has had the point made and then literally highlighted and explained, and he still somehow manage to miss it. This man has played through the Ace Attorney games and consistently either refused to read or did read and still failed to pick up on clues, to the point where he played through Ace Investigations with a walkthrough because "the solution never makes sense and is stupid."
Also, Nami *does* arguably save herself. Arlong is quite literally undefeatable until Nami breaks her mental chains and opens herself up to put trust in others. Luffy literally stays out of the entire conflict until _she_ asks him to help her. All he does up until that point is waiting for her to take the first step and support her when she does, continuously letting her know through the presence of the crew that she has an out. The moment when Nami says the line "Luffy? Help me..." is when she frees herself and break the mental chain Arlong placed on her. Everything else after that is just the crew making sure it stays that way.
You just explained it perfectly, somehow I don't think Jello even knows what he's talking about.
"B-BUT MA STRONG & INDEPENDANT FEMALE CHARACTER" (probably has no clue what that even is)
Being a strong woman (or any character in general) doesn't mean that you always have to be strong, or that you can't show weakness or vulnerability. That's what makes them human.
Jello only thinks a women is strong if she never requires help of any kind...except only the strongest people admit when they need help.
Abuse my ass lmao, now Nami abuses Sanji and Luffy when they do dumb shit, abuse is a joke in anime, that Is why anime as a medium for these issues suck.
While the ending really pisses me off, the Franky erasure is really terrible... especially when it was just announced that Kazuki Yao - Franky's VA - is stepping down from the role!
Bug salute to him, as someone who’s primarily watched the Sub, he’s one of my favorite voice actors.
Hope he has a good retirement, genuinely one of the most iconic voices I’ve had the pleasure of hearing.
@@leoultimaupgraded9914 Amen
Jello is an aspiring writer who is jealously persecuting one of the greatest storytellers in human history because of his own insecurity
This is it! Hit the nail on the head
He really seems to just be really angry that there’s art he doesn’t like that’s more successful than his. And instead of not thinking that and working on his own stuff, he seethes about it on social media
"greatest storytellers in human history", I hope your kidding. Fucking Christ I hope you're kidding. I've read reddit posts with better storytelling the One Piece.
Greatest..... no. Greatwst of the modern time, yes
2:00:00 So Jello was complaining that the only hint to the 2nd Fire man's existence is the edge of a third sake cup 400 chapters ago, but 2nd Fire man was introduced in a flashback like 20 chapters after the sake cup shot, the big twist was that he was still alive! And that was also foreshadowed by the revolutionaries picking up an injured person near the end of said flashback
I don't think anyone believed Sabo was actually dead.
"Go to hell" is basic. "I hope a joyless, contrarian, performative virtue 'this is racist/sexist/sexualises minors and I will attack real people over fictional ones' failed writer-turned-content creator talks about your favourite series" is smart. It's possible. It's terrifying.
Not sure I would call him failed.Because people do actually enjoy the book.He made
Jello thinks franky is a worthless character that adds nothing to the story. He’s said that he shouldn’t be in the story, he even marked him out as an unnecessary character.
But Franky built and maintains the Thousand Sunny, he’s anything but useless
@@KelShu precisely.
@@KelShuthats the problem, that Is everything he Is useful for, he Is extremelly underpowered so he should just stay as a background character bit he is forced into situations where he doesnt have any business
@ He may not be a top tier fighter of the crew like Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbei, but he’s not underpowered. Each member plays an important role in the crew, whether they are seen as powerhouses or not.
... Franky is an extreme powerhouse that has shown he has fighting prowess as well as engineering Genius. Did we all forget he fought one of Kaido's top men!? Without needing an upgrade?!
2:44:36 He mixed complaints about the anime into one:
1. The anime really drags out some scenes occasionally
2. The anime tends to increase the breast sizes of female characters (usually also thinning their waists)
He also used Imporio Ivankov, literal Queen of Queers in One Piece, to make a trans joke due to Ivankov's ability to manipulate hormones which let's Ivankov transition a person's gender alongside combat abilities and healing abilities
Bit of a tasteless joke, innit?
@@Rodoet001 very much so
We also have ivankov's second in command Inazuma who is clearly some kind of gender fluid, they are sometimes a man, sometimes a woman, and no one makes a big deal out of it. It is just how they are.
Oda has straight up stated that the more beautiful his wife gets in his eyes, the more beautiful he will draw Nami, and assumedly the other women as well. Also, despite his many of his protagonist women having a kind of general "attractive" body shape, there is still quite a lot of variety between them. Eye sizes can be different, noses, where everything sits, heights, colours, it's mostly the frame work that is samey and that kind of applies to his men as well. And considering it's a weekly serialised manga, that is kind of expected, as it's rather common for all kinds of weekly drawn series, manga or not.
He also stated straight up he thinks it’s stupid when the women in shonen are weak and helpless with a copy paste personality, so he wrote a bunch of women who have a wide variety of skill sets and personalities. He even lets women save men pretty regularly, anyone who’s watch the first few episodes of romance dawn can tell you there would be no one piece without Nami, Zoro and Luffy would have died without her navigation (aka her intellect). Like it or not that’s how you do representation, you have a lot of characters who are all different from each other
Oda: I LOVE MY WIFE!!!
It's truly a magical experience when you make a video that manages to make everyone hate it as well as you
Non fans sure can't enjoy it when the guy breaks character at every opportunity to clarify how much he hates everything
Casuals are given a chance to test their intelligence by having even them tell how many stuff Jello got wrong (the meme is that Zoro is racist, not sexist. The meme is racism, not sexism!)
And oh boy, are the classic/diehard fans gonna enjoy having another really long piece of media as they aren't going to leave this video for having to pause at every second just to ask themselves "What's going on inside this guy's head"
We all know that nami's true love is money
Oda once wrote out what was in the minds of each Strawhat member and Nami's was literally something like "money, money, money, money, beauty." Gir might have a one track mind, but she sure knows what she wants.
AND MAPS.
I know Oda said that she would be a schoolteacher if she lived in our world but I politely disagree. I strongly believe Nami would be a finance bro and she would dominate the stock market
@@amethystimagination3332 thanks I hate it
1:36:06 Nami had like 2 moments (as far as I can remember) where it was hinted she might be interested into girls: first she looks at a secretary being provacative and says "Wow, I would like her to be my assistant, Wait I'm talking like a pervy old man" and then like 200 chapters later she says "I like Navy women" while looking at Tashigi taking care of some children that were kidnapped by the bad guy of the arc, but that 2nd one could just as well be refering to the fact her adoptive mom was ex Navy. And even if she was into girls she never even had a romantic relationship in the series or it's expanded material
Yeah i think the second one Tashigi just reminded her of Bell-mere.
Or she could be bi lol
It's explicitly about her mother they show bellemere in a big panel as she said it
The first one is just a gag. The second one she was just saying Tashigi reminded her of her mom. Thats it.
there's also an SBS or somethign showing us the straw hats fave things or something in their heads, and nami's has something like "beautiful women" alongside "treasure" and such, but I can't verify that one that much.
Franky is quite literally the one keeping the Strawhats afloat. Just because he isn't the biggest powerhouse on the team doesn't mean he's useless.
Why does everyone downplay Franky?
He beat a Tobi Roppo with no added upgrades! I'd say he was on par with Sanji and Zoro, who got massive upgrades!
1:15:18 During Baratie Pearl could set himself on fire and the only explanation we got was that he's from the jungle, but that's such a minor detail of a minor villain to get hung up on
In the grand scheme of things people have and gain abilities outside of devil fruits and Haki. The world of one piece is just that crazy.
Is that really where he got it from.... thsts so hyper specific.
SO ABOUT THE SLAVERY AND RACISM THING:
so jello is likely referrring to another specific arc, namely fishman island, which highlights how, due to the DECADES of slavery and discrimination they faced at the hands of humans, many fishmen themselves developed their own form of bigotry towards humans. It's not portrayed as a good thing and Jello is trying to frame this as Oda accidentally making a bad aesop about racism...but that's not the point Oda is ACTUALLY MAKING.
Oda is presenting the idea is that some among those who are oppressed may, in turn, choose to follow the example of their oppressors, becoming racist bigots themselves in doing so, and showing how virulent and vile such bigotry can be REGARDLESS of who is doing it or what their reasons are.
the point is you can't beat racism by being racist, because you jsut become a bigot yourself in the process. THe point is you have to fight oppression head on and not just take it on anyone for having the same ethnicity as those who hurt you. You have to avoid spreading racism altogther and try to find a way to coexist with those willing for it and to punch in the face anyone who refuses that.
Arlong being motivated by the racism his people faced to justify terrorising nami for most of her life is not meant to EXCUSE his villainy, and it's not meant to say that this is the end result of ALL people fighting oppression. THe point is victims can be become oppressors too, and we need to be mindful of that to avoid BECOMING that.
The notion that previously oppressed people aren’t capable of doing evil themselves is ludicrously ignorant. Jello’s a sheltered tool.
In the Fishman island arc. Hordy Jones had slaves and clearly abused them. Like when he used Vander to toss the slaves hundreds of miles into a tower. Forcing them to open the gate to the castle. In a case where they are either dead or barely standing after they land. Hody Jones was never a slave to begin with.
It's almost as if Blaber is the type that would refuse to entertain the idea that members of oppressed and racially discriminated groups themselves also have the potential to be racist and oppressors, and that it's still wrong if they are.
@@chrimsonphantom i found that scene to be kinda dumb because if they didn't open the gate they'd be safe from Hordy
@@HeroNeos96 they were probably conditioned to do it. Only thing I can think of to explain it.
Jello seems to genuinely be absolutely incapable of reading literary subtext, that is the only way I can make sense of all of his shit takes
I'm autistic and I have an easier time with subtext than JA
Or his brain is so political and agendapilled that its the only way he can view stories😂
Yeah, for someone so proud over his takes on literary works and even writing his own series, he _struggles_ with subtext. I used to watch his streams (not anymore as I quickly realised what a bunch of twits he and his friends are) and there where situations where the subtext was straight up spelled out and he still somehow didn't get it. He even accused people of making things up when they tried to explain the subtext of some of One Piece's stories when he was reading it during his book club podcast.
This guy has played multiple Ace Attorney games and either refused to read or did read and still couldn't pick up on the clues and subtext about characters, to the point where he didn't get some of the darker moments because he didn't seem to understand exactly what was happening, and he played through one of the spin-offs entirely with a walkthrough guide in front of him because he couldn't be arsed figuring things out.
1:00:15 This is why we don't skip Skypiea, people! Everyone forgot Robin vs Yama!!! That's literally her first fight after joining the Straw Hats!
We dont ship skypia because it more fun that way.
To everyone that has stuck by us throughout each episode, thank you guys so much! You peeps are the champions!
Nah man! you're the champs for suffering through content like this for our entertainment.
No you guys mostly suffer for our amusement so thank you for all of your work
It's really stupid people keep calling Yamato trans when she isn't trans in anyway. She is using the identity of a dead man, she is mantling Oden and wants to be him because of how he inspired her. If she was actually trans she would create her own male identity. She even called Momonosuke their son while she acted as Oden. Like they only reason she calls herself a man is literally because Oden was a man and she's trying to be like him as much as possible. It's so fucking annoying because they completely ignore that actual trans character in the same arc, only wanting Yamato because they're popular.
Exactly
Wanna give pushback on “Robin doesn’t get more fights because she’d instantly win”;
1) any body parts that Robin summons can still take damage, and that damage does get transferred to her real body. She can summon any number of limbs for her convenience, but doing so increases the risk of getting hurt if she’s against the wrong opponent.
2) plenty of characters in series have abilities that can counter Robin’s power. Logias are an easy example, Robin can’t hurt an element (and in cases like lightning or magma she’d only hurt herself). Moria is another as he could switch his body with his shadow.
3) regardless of Robin’s declaration in Alabasta that strength and speed can’t overcome her powers, some antagonists simply out stat her to a degree where she either can’t tag them, or she can’t damage them.
I lost all respect for Jello, I still love Epithet Erased and will continue to watch and support that show, but I’ve lost all love for Jello. This isn’t just me being pissed over how inaccurate his description of One Piece is, what really set me off was him insulting Oda and spreading misinformation on him and accusing him of a sexual abuser towards his daughters. I don’t care if you are a One Piece hater not everyone is going to love the series, what I can’t tolerate is targeting the author and his family out of some bizarre resentment towards his existence.
yeah i absolutely hate his video and that part made my blood boil
I don't think the implication was him being weird about his daughters specifically, but yeah, Jello has earned my eternal scepticism now despite how much I love EE. It's so weird how he can write an amazingly complicated character like Lorelei, yet misunderstand so much about One Piece.
correction about water and devil fruits: ANY form of water works, not jsut salt, its just you need to be above ankle deep in water for the draining effect to happen, simple being splashed by it won't do anything unless you're crocodile (or a fishman where throwing water has the same effect as throwing a brick at someone at high speed, but that's EXCLUSIVE to fishmen and its an effect that works on ANYONE even if they never ate a devil fruit)
and regarding special paramecias: that was jsut striaght up a legitimate msitake on oda's part. see Logia's aren;t so much streotypical 'elements' and more based on 'natural aspects of the world', so a mochi logia WOULD have made sense....were mochi actually made naturally, but they are not, and Oda didn't know this when he stated what the character's power was. When this was pointed out he had to retcon it via Special Paramecia being a thing and alter the earlier dialogue to say its the new thing he made up just now. Oda is not perfect and its okay, he at least cops to it i'm pretty sure and is honest about his fuck up.
and about the distinction of fruits: the simplest explanation is Logia is like "the power to become an element of nature that makes you invisible more or less", zoan is "transforms you into an animal and boosts your natural physical abilities" and paramecia is "random powers that don't fit in the first two distinctions". So basically paramecias are just ANY wacky power.
Just with Logia's "The power to become an element of nature that makes you Invisible, more or less“.
You mean Invincible and not Invisible, right.
That whole ending bit is vomit inducing. Especially given what we know about Jello from the Lovely Complex debaucle.
Lovely complex???
@@jartismJA was part of a localization team working on a series called Lovely Complex. It is a gay romance series involving a guy that likes to cross dress. JA and his localization team decided that the cross dresser should be trans instead and rewrote the story to favor their interpretation of the character. When called out on this by the fans, he threw a fit and claimed that his version of the story was better and the "definitive" version.
TLDR: JA erased the story of a gay character and made them trans, despite not being the intention of the story.
Was that the anime that he helped translate but changed the story because he didn't like it or something .
That was him no or was that someone else.
@@petrpopopepe1764that was him, and he also slandered the author as a sociopath based on his terrible interpretation of her story. I believe he also tried throwing a transphobia label in there because of equally dubious reasons.
"Fights are just ppl punching each other until they dont want to any more & fall down"
Luffy Punches
Sanji Kicks
Zoro cuts
Robin chockes/grapples/snaps necks
Usopp uses a slingshot with different ammo to shoot down most of his enemies.
Franky's most powerful attack is an air cannon
& Nami learn how to manipulate the weather to literally BRING DOWN LIGHTNING AT THE ENEMIES
Am I the only one who thinks that this Jello guy wants Oda dead? That's the vibe I'm getting here.
I'm thinking this guy hates anime in general and wants us to watch only his shit
Bro's jelous beyond belief of Oda😂
Oh, he does.
When people discovered Jello Discord leaks, he constantly said he wanted to kill Oda.
@@jjjmadness8306 Seriously? I didn't think it was possible but somehow I lost even more respect for Jello. If he doesn't like One Piece then just say so there's no reason to slander the author. What's his deal what did Oda do to piss him off so much?
@@EthanIlchert I think it’s jealousy. He wants to be as successful as him without understanding how Oda got there.
Whats annoying is that this video was trying to be funny but it just comes off like pure slander and devolves even further into insulting the author. Wheres the comedy?
Mugiwara No Goofy does One Piece satire so much better, likely because it actually seems to come from a different lace of love for the series
@@michaeldorsey9231 please send a link to that video
Zoro isn't sexist. He's chivalric.
Although he likes hunting people with a particular skin tone.
@SkillHunterThousandManPlan his opponents happen to be possible minorities
2:22:59 Yamato isn't trans though
Intro card says kaido's daughter self proclaimed oden
She simply isn't trans
So jello is kinda right on this
as a quick reminder - Jello has been known to have TERRIBLE opinions on just about everything. The big one in recent memory (aside from his One Piece video) was how he ranked Ace Attorney games, characters and cases
_Excuse me, I believe we have a new topic to add to the list..._
@@CelticPhoenixHe has opinions on Ace Attorney Investigations 2
Also his video on orcs are he proceeds to use fantasy orcs as an alagory for minorities and how it's bad. He has such bad takes.
Was that also Jello, or was that Extra Credits?
@michaeldorsey9231 pretty sure he's referring to Extra Credits
Jello "One Piece is sexist cause Robin doesn't get fights"
Also Jello "Robin is the most interesting character"
Explain too me how a sexist man ended up with A WOMAN as the most important & most interesting character?!
"Women have sexy figures." Is about the only argument people can make
@bashamd96 I would appreciate if Oda stuck to the variety of body types we've seen in Amazon lily.
Some women looking nearly exactly the same is bit of a problem but that's really it
@@yugoxgcto be fair that's something most fans agreed
I think oda just has more trouble finding more female faces and body typed
Than with guys
Btw katakuri and zoro have the same face
@isauldron4337 He did get better Since .... I think Dress Rosa?
Big Mom's family & Wano had less of the "same face/body" type issue
That video was utter garbage; it was full of inaccuracies, blatant lies, absurd hot-takes, and the more it went on, the more it felt like personal attack on Oda.
however he DID have nami kissing vivi and high fiving usopp, which is both accurate and based (cause, like, nami being gay is a popular theoru with some decent evidence in the story for)
@ Okay, the rest of the video is still garbage though
Yeah pretty much
And so UNFUNNY !
@sarafontanini7051 It's fine cause it's gayness. He's adding that fetish in yet wants to remove sanji for "current purposes"?
hold a sec! his series is called "so this is basically...", but he wants to cut out characters and change the stories in One Piece. the title is a frickin' lie!
He also spoils a major character’s death
@@APintOfGuinness1 Ace's death aint a spoiler ist been actual years
@@psychospeech6189 It is if you're just starting out reading/watching One Piece and you click on a video entitled "This is Basically", which implies that it's going to be a brief, unspoilered summary of the manga/anime.
@@psychospeech6189 that death is basically the "snape kills dumbledore" of one piece
Congrats to the 50th episode. your streams have the perfect lenght to draw to :D
Jello's argument that Zoro is sexist is that when an antagonist KO'd Robin Zoro caught her and said "She's a woman!" While giving that antagonist the death glare. Zoro also had 1 more somewhat big instance where he could be called sexist is where the crew where on the clock and he wasted time fighting a female antagonist by trying to only scare instead of actually cutting her, although these moments are like 400 chapters apart
Both of them are just not sexist. With robin he's being chivalric and the other is letting tashigi fight monet because she insisted to fight her and only joined in when he saw he couldn't. Neither is sexist
@@YOGI-kb9tg eh, it can be interpreted both ways, like you can say what you did, but you can also go: "why did Zoro only try to scare her after it was clear Tashigi couldn't beat her?" and that would also be fair as everyone nearly died because of that
@@AlexT7916 he scared her because he didn't want to kill her. Simple and he let tashigi fight because he isn't sexist and was letting her fight on her own terms it's also as simple as that there is no sexism and if you seriously are looking that deep into this scene you are ust looking for subtext that isn't there. Zoro isn't sexist he's perfectly fine at defeating women just look at whisky peak and how he took out baroque works.
And there's that moment where everyone was worried of vivi and zoro said "calm down she is a strong woman, she can handle it" or something like that
@YOGI-kb9tg He also beat Monet. That's pretty equal rights to me.
I have watched Epithet Erased in its entirety, and unfortunately, I don't have a book. But, I figured since you did cover it slightly in passing interest, I want to inform you about the series in case you want to cover it on another date.
To put it in very few words, it's good. It isn't what I would consider fine art or a masterpiece since there are some issues to it, but it is a very charming and fairly well written series with a unique power system.
The animation is a bit strange since it has elements of DND (the series was inspired by a dnd campaign that Jello did and has similar story beats and characters) as well as visual novel (the characters don't "move" like a typical animated show, but instead goes through character sprites that reflect the situation like a visual novel and when there is much more action, they switch to a table top grid similar to that of a dnd grid. There is moments where they switch to 2d animation. However, those are usually at the climaxes of the final arc episodes.
Funnily enough, Jello is known for lacking basic understanding of subtext, yet in his series, there is a lot of subtext like how Molly (protag) is afraid of fire and its speculated the reason why is because her mother passed away in a fire. Which makes it equally strange on how Jello lacks basic subtextual understanding.
Voice acting is amazing, the characters are fun, and the humor is great, really funny series with a geuinely interesting power system. Only issue I have is pacing, as well as the first episode not leaving an amazing impression on you due to how it is set up and kinda mianders and finally, the second arc having much more issues than the first arc.
But, overall I do recommend watching the series and you guys checking it out. If you don't want to directly support Jello, i reccomend watching reaction videos, but, thats your choice.
Also there is a video excellent video made by DovenDraw that goes into heavy detail on the production of Epithet Erased and the cost of it being made in case you are also interested.
Anyway, sorry for the yapfest. Great stream. First time watching.
I remember watching epithet erased when I was younger, genuinely was excited for it, but now? am not even sure because how god awful this guy is, he is so unlikeable that it ruins the taste of his own creation, which while good, feels like I shouldn't support such a negative, and hateful person.
@hellonokay1925 i totally understand. Personally, I always believe separating art from artist. But, I can definitely get why people are turned off of a product or a creative endeavor due to the people behind it
1:46:40 so true,
One of the examples that came to mind was the black pearl for pirates of the Caribbean, when the kraken attack, jack and the pearl was killed/ dragged to Davy jones lock,
Haven’t seen your coverage yet, but based on Raven Knight’s response to Jello, holy shit this was rage inducing.
I don’t even think Drizzt’s Downfall of One Piece videos made me this angry, and those videos were fucking shit.
1:53:09 The only major opressed character (the guy he's showing might be a minor villain from some extended media that was a slaver) who could be argued became a racist slaver is King, because he was helping Kaido subjugate Wano country and told Zoro "I am biologically superior to you" during their fight, but if that's who he was refering to he should've put him into the video instead of a random fishman
The slaver he showed was the villians of early Sabaody and were apart of fisher tigers crew
@@-tom-8720 Thing there is that do we know that they where actual ex-slaves or just ex-members of Tiger's crew? Because Tiger had plenty of members who weren't former slaves, like Arlong for example.
1:29:06 While it's true there's a list for character notionalities if they were from our world, it's clear some of them either were just added after to fit or are outright wrong, you cannot convince me that the Yakuza coded Jimbe is Indian
Jinbei isn't yakuza Coded
He's like a yakuza literally
59:15 I’m running a one piece dnd game. I had intended them to run into a scientist. The idea that they enter like a conference and everyone is just arguing over devil fruit status is now going to be added to my game.
I would actually want Franky to have more fights than Usopp in the next arc. Have Franky become the MVP. Because he is Super. I want Franky fight a liar, a cheater, and a manipulator. So Franky can win fair and square.
Starts at 5:21
It’s wild that I got here to this channel years ago cause of a Phoenix reaction to “so this is basically RWBY”.
*also, to be fair to Jello, when he is listing off the crew and skips through the last few - he "technically" does include Franky, yes when he says "the others" but he notably uses a picture of the Merry, which is a reference to the actual story - Franky's wanted poster is of the ship itself and not him. Something people miss, and it's kinda fair given how the rest of the video comes off, of course it's easy to believe someone acting like this would forget a character exists (not helped by him referring to Franky as "others" instead of something like "the actual boat" or something, or even saying Franky's name but just showing the Merry, which would make the intention of the joke more clear imo)
Technically the Thousand Sunny, but your point still stands: there are so many little nods in this video that tell of a greater understanding of the story than people give him credit for (e.g. the iceberg in the shape of Laboon). Which makes sense: it’s satire.
Still, I agree that his perception of Oda is badly off. It’s not like he’s Nobuhiro Watsuki. But if he thinks that’s bad, wait until Jello learns how old the characters in Sailor Moon are.
Jello also said that he thinks Franky is a filler character that adds nothing to the story and should not exist. So every bit about him not being included is purposeful.
From him being replaced by the ship when discussing the crew, to when he shows a list of all the characters and puts all the Strawhats together but excludes Franky, later places a picture of him in his masked costume and crossing him off as a not important character.
@@oreotaku4017 a fair point. Franky was crossed off when he did the little rundown of “nonessential characters.”
I do agree with the point that the art has gotten more and more sketchy and rough, you can clearly see it through out the years. But then he uses shots of the anime😂which is kinda braindead.
As someone commented on my video on this
"Oda is also racist because he doesn't have Usopp win fights"
I guess Chu, Perona, Sugar, and the two from Alabasta don’t count then in that person’s eyes
Yamoto is not even trans rep from what i know
They say they are oden to hate on kaido like bro
It's not even for hate on Kaido it's pure Oden love
She says specifically
Jello whole video felt bitter like there wasn't anything actually good in this whole video. He made false accusations and pointless jabs at the creator. It genuinely wasn't a good video with how much info he gets wrong of the show and even I'm not completely in the know of one piece.
This video has a bitter vibe to it why is he bitter? I couldn't tell you
1:30:21 Ok, I see it now, it’s because when you meet him in the Altus shrug ark he looks like a buff Ace Ventura
42:00 Yeah… this part I keep forgetting that they can’t due to the Calm Belt being a thing… and the Sea Kings as well.
(Edit: I got Seakings mixed up with Pacificas
The thing is the audio book for prison of plastic is actually fairly decent he got the cast to reprise their roles and theirs some good voice acting in it. Some good emotional moments. I only follow them for their EE stuff but the more they do the more I just want to drop them.
Yep, I am a big fan of EE, so seeing that one piece kinda hurt. (and also confused me on how someone who wrote that series could also have takes that bad)
@@BlowBow2 The One Piece video was a rather bitter pill to swallow upon learning more of Jello's character, though I fortunately learned to separate the art from the artist and I will continue to support Epithet Erased even if I think the creator is an asshole. Though once Epithet Erased is completed I'm going to drop Jello.
@@EthanIlchert Oh yeah absolutely. I would not survive on the internet without that ability given how often the creators are revealed to be horrible people.
I didn't prefer the jab at the Wiki, personally. I mean... come on now. The people putting it together so fans can get a simple synopsis are trying their hardest and this guy shots on it because they are going into every angle of the moments and characters and translation issues over the years.
Yes: i remember when Perona was "Pelona," and Oars was "Oz" because, back then, Japanese was slightly harder to translate, especially if you were fan translating it.
It's insulting to pick on fans like this.
I know there is at least three interviews with Oda and his various editors he's had over the years, and they consist mostly of their work relation and process. They seem to be hitting off quite well, Oda even commented on things they've got him to develop or add. They don't seem to be best buddies but they joke around and seem both professional and cordial.
I also know that other similar interviews have revealed that Oda does actually listen to his editors and sometimes do what they tell him, and the only hard limit he has placed is that they can't suggest arcs or major story beats as, if he finds that he likes the idea, he knows he won't be motivated to draw it because he didn't come up with it himself. And it kind of makes sense, One Piece is his darling. It honestly sounds like it's a case of editors doing what editors should be doing, editing and keeping things flowing well and smoothly, instead of what many editors in a lot of comics companies does and practically run the show.
Also, his editors are credited in the Shonen Jump credits and manga credits, so I really don't know where this idea that Oda doesn't have/won't listen to his editors comes from, but it's something I see quite a few people claim.
A dragon ball editor said oda editors barely had influence... That's about it
@@isauldron4337 Well his own editors seem to claim different, and I think I'll trust them over an editor on a different team.
4:00:06 The sound of true pain exiting a person.
since you guys touched on the subject of editors hi-jacking the localization of an anime, could you talk about the Ghost Stories English dub?
it's possibly the most radical localization out there.
Also on the subject of Brendan making things suck, I have a theory:
Does anyone think he was trying to pull a "Ghost Stories" on Lovely Complex? I.e. Make the english dub a crass parody of the original?
Nah, nothing so simple. He just wanted to rewrite characters and story beats in order to "improve" not the same faffing about as the crew behind Ghost Stories.
The fact this 30 yr old man cant stop whining even after a decade is depressing.
so about the whole thing about zoro's 'sexism': I think Jello is referencing a specific bit from Punk Hazard but got it completely wrong.
see in it a pair of women are fighting each other and zoro comes in to help, and the evil woman claims he doesn't want to fight women because he's sexist and the other woman also beleives this to be true, only for zoro to just beat the evil woman with a move that would have killed her but didn't.
the point is the women THINK he's being sexist but the truth is he just doesn't care enough to fight at his all against the evil one and the good one he has preexisting baggage over.
THe idea that Zoro's sexist somehow is not only completelty nonsensical considering his backstory its also an old ass idea that didn't really take root because the story does not give it enough weight to be a thing.
I do think One Piece DOES dip into sexist ideas as a whole occassionally (such as the running gag of only boys liking mechs and all girls finding it bizarre and weird and gross) and this may play into why some of the women characters don't get many fights (it's been said that after his daughters were born Oda became more protective of his female characters during the New World section of the story but it seems he might be growing out of that a little now) but it's not absolute and can be understood as a result of Oda growing up in Japan (which si SUPER sexist as a country) and made up for by the fact he TRIES and is actually really good at writing fun and compelling women, even if some of them don't get to have a fight they are at least good characters who do have more to them which makes it excsuable for them, compared to say shit like naruto which didn't allow any women a good fight or even any notable moments and instead make literally everything involving men.
Nah, he's referencing a moment from Skypea where Enel zaps Robin, Zoro catches her and says "She's a woman!" While giving Enel the death glare
He is referencing both, as both are a common argument for this. It's also really the only one people who accuse One Piece of being sexist as a whole seem to use. Like, Sanji is right there and the series itself even acknowledges that it is a flaw of his, but no, Zoro is why the _series_ is sexist, apparently...
Oda isn't perfect and does sometimes fall into old tropes, but for not only being from a rather conservative culture and also from a different era, he is surprisingly progressive and I'd argue One Piece reflects this in many ways. So I personally feel like there are moments you can criticise, but to claim the series as a whole is sexist or choices are motivated by sexism is a real stretch, and both Jello and plenty of people in his comment section on that video really seem to think so.
Both Sanji and Zoro have weird sexist tendencies that crop up but people get overtly defensive about them. It's okay to acknowledge that they are flawed.
1:58:30 A western show example would be the Venture Bros. The amount of small details that grow to plot points/twists are numerous and well executed.
5:23 video starts here
Jello is honestly just a sore loser … and just a nitpick but at 2:13:18 actually no … it’s not correct, you can Yamato a she/her because she’s female aka a woman stated by Oda himself. It’s ok to call her a “he” because she’s role playing as Oden and she wants to represent him … nothing else … so don’t feel stupid because someone has a head canon and tries to push a certain narrative to fill an agenda of theirs … She’s on the top 5 strongest female characters of all of One Piece !!!
Also … Jello tries to push that Usopp and Robin have dark skin when they don’t ! In the manga they always had white skin stone, in the anime they messed it up and made them black/have a darker skin tone… but later on they fixed it to be cohesive with the manga.
Yamato is a man and it's OK dude, you're gay
Yep Yamato is a woman
@@Mavuika_Gyaru Wrong.
45:50 maybe someone corrected this already but they don’t FULLY lose there powers in water. Passive effects seem to stay, example, luffy could still stretch his head while his body was submerged in what I believe to be the Arlong park arc. Brooks is still alive when he falls in. Chopper is still intelligent. I also believe big moms homies occasionally tread water. I believe it’s more the fruit can’t be willingly active. Luffy’s still stretchy but someone else has to stretch him. So on so forth.
I am so upset I missed this stream. I'm something of an Egghead myself.
it has not been shown that eating 2 devil fruits will make you explode, it has only been speculated by people in world
also the stone stone fruit and the island island fruit are similar in function, just the stone fruit only allows you to take over stone objects while the island fruit allows you to take over entire islands
so they are technically the same power just interacting with specific things
but the other 2 definitely don't have the same power, one of them makes Clay golems and may are may not be a logia and the other just has the push push fruit which pushes matter away basically an infinite shovel to dig holes
Happy 50 streams!
I wish I could have filled out the survey but I ended up very busy the day of the stream.
I do want to suggest you guys getting into mainline SMT and honestly digging into ideas of folklore and religious material out through a occult pulp Japanese lens and how stuff iterates over the years but also deeply melancholic meditations on ideologies and mixed in with just completely campy and awesome silly horror nonsense
On the character list:
In one of the recent arcs we got panels from all over the world listening to news most of the characters crossed out by jello…
I like you guys...so thats why i want to say epithet erased existed way before guardian spice released.
Sorry I’m late but nice to see Jello with a not so lovely complex is still getting deservedly roasted
As someone who got into Jelloapocalypse after friends showed me Epithet Erased, the animated show and Subsequent novel are pretty good (didnt buy the novel, a friend is supporting him and allows me to listen/read it for free). Do agree though that I very heavily dislike the guy who runs Jelloapocalypse.
I also liked watching some of his content with friends as well (the pokemon playthroughs specifically)
Epithet erased isn’t discount high guardian spice….atleast high guardian by legal definition had animation rather then just a power point and the story is more akin to bargain bin jojos bizarre adventure with a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the imagination and creativity
Epiphet erased has plot at least but it's true
Animations in epiphet erased is a powerpoint
15:00 step motherboard and cpu 😂
I don't really know why Jello did this when his previous negative reviews were already his most controversial.
Ive seen jellos lets play videos and they are some of the funniest videos ive ever seen it pains me to see him act so cowardly, miniscule, and mean spirited honestly hurts me.
I also really like his lets play streams, I used to fixate on them a lot when I was younger. However, I do think you can see hints of this behavior in some of those streams. If he finds an aspect of something that he dislikes, whether it be a major or minor detail, he seems to have a difficult time getting over it or notice anything positive about it. He also tends to strongly stick to his opinions once he's made them, even when there is information that would clearly prove him wrong.
@Robin_Glorb yeah, I know he would get political and stuff but I always tried to look past it when he would just be normally funny. it only got more and more common
Do we actually know if Jello was blacklisted from the industry? I know a lot of people claim that but I have seen little evidence of it, especially as he apparently was hired for the dubbing project because he was friends with staff, which gives him a layer of protection. He by all means should be, considering what an absolute bell end he is, but we know what the dubbing scene is like and how little these companies care about the cultural exchange that is a dub.
If anything, most of them encourage Jello's behaviour and it's kind of impressive that he got into so much trouble, considering dubbers goes out and get into social media fights on the regular over their work. Like, Jello didn't even brag on his social media, he did it on discord, and he got fired from the project. Seems more theatrics to me than actually caring about the backlash.
Firstly, Jello did not brag on discord, he did so in his Patreon in a post that he later deleted.
Secondly, the dubbing company that did Lovely Complex, Discotek Media, has said that they will not be working with Jello anymore due to what he did (they technically never specified the name of the male contractor that they were referring to, but it's pretty easy to determine that it was Jello)
Thirdly, none of Jello's story changes are actually present in the dub, because Discotek noticed his absurd changes and removed them. Of course, this brings into question why Jello bragged about making changes to something whose final product does not contain those changes, but that is what happened.
Common Jelloapocalypse L
Our powers are the sane power.
One of them controls/manipulates stone.
One as far as we know literally turned into an island & I think ones power is Digging...b
That was certainly one vid of a time.
There are some rough aspects of OP & he did hit the same area those rough aspects are in. (honestly, those rough aspects are more preference gripes rather than objective flaws) But the point buried beneath a sea of pettiness, arrogance & defamation.
Since the topic of representation was brought up, I'll say this: While I think it's good to have rep in media, folks have become a little too "black & white" in their drive for more rep. They want their ideal, perfect rep & anything that isn't that is considered bad rep/bigotry. When you represent people, cultures, or experiences, you have to remember that everyone & their experiences have differences. Yes, there's overlap, but there's variation on it. Everyone has different wants in terms of representation. Obviously, you want to avoid stereotypes & tropes based on harmful views & rhetoric. But there are some perfectly fine in isolation that have been overused on certain groups over the decades (look at damsel in distress for one).
I cannot for the life of me figure out where Jello's "from the jungle" bit comes from! Was it a dubbism from the 4kids version or something?!
4kids
It's certainly dumb enough to have been, but it is from the original work. In the Baratie Arc the villain Pearl is wounded by Sanji and in response he panics and lights his armour on fire. And some mooks explains that Pearl used to live in "the jungle" surrounded by wild animals and to protect himself against them he used fire to scare them away. So now, whenever he feels like he is in danger or panics he lights himself on fire to scare off his attacker. And it was apparently something Jello found both really stupid and really funny.
And to be fair, it was stupid, and it was funny, but not funny enough to make into a running joke.
Look it’s TOTALLY okay to not like a popular show game or movie!
My least favorite game of all time is Minecraft because of how it didn’t appeal to me unlike fighting games platformers and shooters!
The only thing I kind of liked about it is the music graphics and character design!
But I wouldn’t go out of my way to ATTACK and BULLY the creator (calling him a PDF-ile etc)
1:44:49 Holy shit Mangakamen jumpscare.
Hoo boy and here I thought synthetic mans comments about Angla were bad and now we have this clown. But you know what atleast synthetic made a tasteless joke about a fictional character Jello made tasteless jokes about 3 real women
Dose jelloapocalypse like anything
I think he likes Columbo
@@itshobojoe1391 the detective tv show?
From what I’ve heard, sc*t
@@itshobojoe1391 thats cheating everyone loves columbo
He really likes Scooby Doo
2:55:52 Remember kids wishes do come true!
OwO it’s the name of the treasure on the grand line, OwO OwO get ready for OwO
42:56 i mean to be fair up to this point in the video nothing really problematic was really said,the inane jokes of luffys name are consistent with this videos usual style,the cast have been known to veer off the grand line a couple times and just come right back and there are devil fruits that basically,conceptually,do the same thing either weaker or a bit better like the two weight alteration fruits and Heat and Flame fruits. But after this point in the video....every goes downhill really fast
Okay, but here's the thing about the grand line. Once The Strawhats enter The Grand Line, they've never left. In order to leave, you have the go through The Calm Belt, which is infamously known for not having any air currents. So once you you enter The Calm Belt, you're most likely going to die from giant sea monsters. I think people forget just how massive the world of One Piece is. So unless explicitly said so, since entering The Grand Line, nobody has left.
The only characters aside from the Marines I can recall leaving the Grand Line were Krieg’s fleet (and even then it clearly wasn’t anywhere near being an easy endeavor) and Mihawk, one of the strongest char who can actually deal with the Calm Belts obstacles.
@@Kira_Official_ Skypiea...they left it to go to Skypiea
@@WhoisThatGuy- ah i see so the one time they left the grand line was when they went to a literal island in the sky above the grand line. of course. Jello didn't make a mistake then, absolutely.
@sarafontanini7051 I'm not saying they left all the time or that he was right about everything just stating a fact,they left
The resident OP fan here is great (well articulated and all around pleasant to listen to) but he's a bit behind on some stuff. Don't think he's caught up to the manga.
Holy war holy war
Yay, I can see how stupid jello is without giving him views!!!!
2:23:27
Reminds me of how in the Xenoblade fandom, A was unconfirmed as a non-binary person and the entire fanbase threw a fit.
...Despite that there's already a non-binary character in XC3, already. IE Juniper.
Neither of those are non binary though
Localizer invention
No really
@@isauldron4337 Pretty much. A lot of localizer nonsense in the Xenoblade Chronicles games.
@@buttons551you get it!
the "nami kissing vivi" thing is actually based on something actually interesting and fun and isn't just "nami's SLIGHTLY masculine so she HAS to be a lsiten", its actually something I DO NOT fault jello for and actually kinda find rather great and cool and based.
You see Nami being a lesbian is actually a headcnaon/theory held by a small number of one piece fans, and its one with ACTUAL CANONICAL EVIDENCE to it.
For example, in ENies Lobby, Nami outright pervs over the woman she's fighting. "I'd love to have THAT woman for my secretary wait why am i talking like a dirty old man!?" and even is noted to have thoughts about 'women' among her interests in an SBS or something, and in punk hazard even says outright "i cannot deny a request from a beautiful woman".
also, personally speaking, seeing how quickly Nami became SO attached to Vivi to the point of being the MOST vocal about helpijng her (even willing to risk suffering a deadly disease jsuts o they could go help her people), I always shipped them and always liked the idea of Nami being gay.
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Uh… I don’t see it. Doesn’t it make just as much sense that Nami cares about helping Vivi because she can relate to her situation? Y’know… having your home island taken over by pirates?
@@mr.selyumor5402 the thing is when first meeting Vivi, nami ONLY wants to help because she wants to get treasure from the kingdom as a reward (as well as having no other choice once vivi tells everyone crocodile's name and the unluckies draw their faces), but within the span of little garden she's just SUPER devoted to vivi's mission.
but regardless of if you ship nami and vivi or not (this is one peice none of the strawhats are gonna have romances like that), there IS still evidence of her being gay.
Nami has never had "women" to be stated as an interest in any SBS. Beauty and money is, but never women. A lot of people seem to claim this but they all seem to have mixed it up with Sanji. I'm guessing its from the SBS when Oda showed what was always on the mind of the Strawhats and Nami's was basically "money, money, money, money, beauty" while *Sanji* had "women, food, food, Nami, Robin."
As for her two comments, the first one is a joke and treated as such, and the second one is incorrect, she never says that. She says that she is "absolutely dreadful at dealing with female Marines" as she feels too safe around them due to her mother having been one, so she struggles to keep her guard up. I don't think we can take these as any proof of canon sexuality.
I'm fine with shipping (as long as one is reasonable about it and remember it's all in good fun) and if you're going to ship Nami with someone, Vivi is among the better choices, but lets just make sure we keep headcanon and ships separated from actual canon.
Yeah lol there's barely any nami moments like that and he overcompensates by saying that "she gets the most pussy😹"
When the most beautiful woman fell for luffy, hyori for zoro, viola for sanji, etc.
If One piece Fans didn't want to appear cult-ish they definately failed lol
Hey guys, it's just a cartoon! none of this matter and we are all gonna die someday, maybe take a deep breath, drink some water and go outside
One, most of the hosts barely knew a thing about the show; this was squarely focused on Jello’a presentation
Two, you don’t get that defense any more when calling Ora’s character as human being into question the way Jello did.
@CelticPhoenix just wanna say man really enjoyed the video . Jill really doesn't have to have this ego. I mean, for the most part, he's doing pretty successful, and people actually do like his more original stuff, which, by the way, if you ever get a chance, if you're not interested in this show, then maybe ask one of you guys fans who have lots of to explain to you, and maybe you can actually talk about his book to see how he does as a writer