Community Stories: Seattle in the Age of AIDS
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2024
- A time of panic and fear, this recount looks back into the early 1980s during the onset of the AIDS epidemic in Seattle. The stories are told through the words of a handful of people who lived and worked on the front lines in the community. This episode originally aired 2/13/2009.
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I'm 72 years old. I lived through the whole thing. I know more dead people than live ones.
But I'm still here........
Thank goodness you survived it.
❤️ what did you think when you first heard
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Did you get your butt pounded
We are happy that you are!!!!!
Just finished watching 'We Were Here' documentary and I thought I had seen it all. I was wrong. Each documentary like this one is different, has a spirit of its own, sweeps one off their feet and is an absolutely humbling experience. More power and love to all who helped, provided and cared for Aids warriors (not victims) and gave them dignity....both in life and death!
Watch, silver lake life. The veiw from here.
@@normanhowell3994 I have seen like three times, heart wrenching.
@@normanhowell3994 ill give it a watch now, thank you.
I agree - found We Were Here particularly moving.
The producer is an ass though, he doesn't want it for people to view for free
I was a member of TCSB for four years from 1984 until 1988. My first job was to move guys and their belongings into the Morrison Hotel, which was then Seattles housing for people with AIDS. It was a very sad job, as I knew it was the last time I would see most of the. Then later I became a Chicken Soup Buddy. That was the real breaker. In 1988 I had finally burned out. I could never quite deal with the fact that I never became HIV positive. What I find unfortunate today, is the founder of the Chicken Soup Brigade, is never mentioned. He was an older man, named Bob. I unfortunately can't remember his last name. If it were not for him, the Chicken Soup Brigade, would not have happened!
Even though we have come a long way, I still cannot read and remember without feeling the tears in my chest. We lost so many beloveds.
There was a lot of beauty that shone through these tragedies
When news reports first aired in 1981 I remember being so confident that our government would quickly find a vaccine/cure and we would bid farewell that this terrible disease. Then, the reports began to grow widespread and globally...then we knew that it was much worse. My God...this has hurt our whole country. I am African-American Christian Democrat and I have so much love for gay people. The Bible does not teach us to hate people and we do live in a free democracy. The words are respect, compassion and understanding...the main word is love.
Geoff, thank you. Sending love back to you from a white gay Independent Coloradan (but proudly from Kitsap County, WA). Have a beautiful holiday season and more.
Do not , rely on government to help you , it's more interested in helping itself .
We , are someone's child - each and everyone of us . It's better we help ourselves , in this .
Adverse reactions to the protease inhibitors & retrovirals , can be abated , via Alternative Medicinal Practices - freinds with HIV/AIDS went that route , while staying on their Pharmaceuticals .
They were able to Amollerate the adverse reactions , generated . They now live an almost pain free life , having replaced essential minerals , increased the immune supporting minerals and vitamins , along with some herbs .
These folks have managed to get a true reading of their viral load by going off their drugs , while doing one therapy which reduced their viral load by 90% + , in 5 months - they are back on the prescription , with far less reactions to the drugs .
While HIV/AIDS , now cannot be cured , thanks to the murder of Dr Pele , it's effects can be amollerated , via the Alternative Medical Practices, like Homeopathy ( there was , before big pharma , over 100 Homeopathic Hospitals in the USA ) , Naturopaths , Aryuvedic and Chinese Traditional Medicine , All have a part to play , in helping you , to maintain your "wellness and health " .
Best of outcomes , to any infected person ; my deepest sympathys to the berived .
HIV/AIDS , IS a PANDEMIC , Sars-Covi-2/omicron , is an Epidemic . The former got jabs within a year , pills within 2 years . Where's the promised vaccine for HIV/AIDS ? ? ? , When , will it appear ? ? ? ?
Yes! I thought government would get right on it! How wrong we al were.
Sorry, but the Bible is very anti gay.
GEOFF DB what lovely sentiments. ❤
I wish the youths watch this video coz it's high time people become cautious again about the disease.
..... Good Point! - They are even concerned about the tolerance level to antibiotics. It seems that we all need 3/4 times the strength; that was given in the 50s/60s
For as much as we discover cures; what we are trying to eradicate - will Adapt.
'Society' (Media etc.,) ..... can give a sense of 'permanence' - to what is actually, Very Vulnerable:
US!
Its still spreading but AIDS sufferers look relatively healthy now and live so much longer . People forget how horrific it was , how cadaverous people became . They also believe the pills work well for everyone and the truth is that there are serious side effects associated with the cocktail and for some its completely ineffective . The quality of life living with HIV is not sunshine and lollipops .
Definitely! It's treatable these days but still something you really don't want to have to deal with
I was hoping there would be a story on the history of my beloved Seattle. I lived in Seattle from 80 to 84 on Capitol Hill. I was in my early 20s. I could hear the base beat from the Monastery all the way from below the hill, only on the weekends. I survived also that era. Unscaved..It was a blessing. Exciting times. I had the most loving friends. Infact after 23 yrs. later I returned in March of 2022, to visit a gay couple in there 70s that survived the epidemic. I remembered the places I would go. Dicks hamburgers on Broadway, B&O Expresso near Summit, Butch bloom, Egbert's on 1st Ave, Tugs on 1st Ave. Monastery, Vogue on 1st Ave.( Where Grace Jones performed) Pike market. This was during a era of real community. My experience there was of Real people, loving and nurturing. I'm eternally greatful have been apart of the Seattle scene. My best friend an I both moved to NYC after living one block away on Summit street. I miss those...as Chic would say 'Goodtimes'!
The testimony of doctor Henry Kuharic is very touching. You see he still is very emotional when talking about his memory of one patient. Every doctor should be like that.
Its like a boogyman, a demon, a monster was preying upon young men throughout the 80s... very scary. R.i.P to all of the victims.
I think the biggest fear for most gay men is who will take care of them when they become sick. Back then most gay men don't have family members to take care of them when they have AIDS. The lucky few have close friends who took care of them, but many don't. The thought of growing old and alone as a gay person is extremely scary!
I think one of the scariest things to take from the AIDS epidemic is the idea that a virus can cause so much destruction while being in the body for a long incubation period. The thought of this happening again is absolutely terrifying and if it does happen again there is little we can do to prevent it.
@@marshalmallow7192 Yes there is something that can be done.Know your hiv status.
@@desmondgallagher5648she’s talking about if another disease comes like this not aids
@@desmondgallagher5648 I was referring to a disease that is unknown currently or a new disease that has similar devastating effects. I get tested for HIV often and know my status.
I have never expected that I had HIV . However , I once began a big weight loss and was feeling what later turned out to be the malaise of a failing thyroid gland my doctor pressured me to take the test . Like I said , I really had no suspiscion of AIDS because I practiced safe sex but almost immediately after taking the test I began remembering that infections can go back years . Years when I was not practicing safe sex . It got scary after that . Back then getting your results toook upwards of 6 weeks . I was deading that day but also eagerly awaiting the results .I had never been so conflicted in my life .
My husband got VERY ill in the 90's, and the doctors said "you either have Lymphoma or AIDS." Was so scary either way. But I remember him saying "I've never wished for cancer so much in my life!" It did turn out to be Lymphoma, and he is alive and well today! So scary hearing straight from a doctor, "you might have AIDS!"
Well that's what happens when you let another man pound your butt ...
In 23:00 Dr. Wood says he did (HAART) Combination Therapy in 1986. I think he means 1996. I think it can even be used as a joke: he is getting so old that he can have those "senior moments." That is something all people with HIV want. May they all get it.
One morning at a bartenders apt when I was 20 he told me that his brother had just died he had it and just about everybody had it. I fled to Minneapolis, that was 88.
Where were you and why did you flee to Minneapolis?
The Lesbian Community really shone the way . Didn't they ?
Not really they still can get it from scissoring
God bled the caregivers
HIV and Aids had already infected people in the 1960's. How I know because of my late father's profession...in the 1970's a foreign sailor was brought ashore from a ship ill and was admitted and eventually died in isolation in the hospital in Belfast. I remember my father saying his body was hosed down on the Mortuary floor beside the floor drains so whatever way this unknown disease had affected this man it must have been thought highly contagious. As samples were taken at post mortem they were later reviewed years after his death and it was then determined he had died from Aids. When my late father left his job at that hospital in 79 he was contacted to return to assist with Aids research but he declined. Why he declined is that he did not like how society victimised Hiv/Aids sufferers and he knew if he accepted this role it could have made life difficult for us his family being shunned also. Aids was not initially a gay man's cancer or disease it was already out there in society and had infected heterosexuals and the gay community but it spread more easily through the gay community due to new faces travelling to places like the Castro from many small towns looking for acceptance and a community of likewise minded people. No one can blame gay men for this disease or accuse them of being of loose morals for having sex with different partners... remember the hetrosexual community have been promiscuous for hundreds of years just reflect on the Victorian London slums, Paris slums etc where posititution was rife!!! This disease did not care about your sexual orientation, skin colour, age race or if you were rich or poor!!! Thankfully we have drugs now to help patients live a normal life. Too many young beautiful people died from this disease during the 80's, 90's they had names, families, loved ones, jobs, homes and a life once...let them all rest in peace and never forget the suffering they had to endure!
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He’s still alive?!😮😮
Dr Stefan Lanka, Kary Mullis , Dr Claus Kohnlein have different views on this , as do many many other professional people, you should research the other side if you dare
Yeah, since the misterious c flu, more and more people wake up...
So incredibly sad.
The background music drives me nuts
3:57 will she say that for COVID deniers or deny them those "CIVIL RIGHTS"
Hi didn't spread through the air
@@danielhooper502 bath houses
Why did they call it “gay cancer”? Shouldn’t they have known that cancer doesn’t have a “sexual preference” ? I mean I understand it was thought to only affect gay men during that time but for medical experts of all people calling it gay cancer seems pretty stupid in my opinion.
Basically, the initial cluster of recognised patients in San Francisco were gay and most were displaying a specific skin cancer that usually affects elderly Jewish men. It was the corrolation=causation falacy.
@@peanutbutterbruv only those had the skin cancer KS NOT the ones from the other categories
@@mollysteel142 They used terms that seemed appropriate at the time and changed them when it became clear that was not the case. The term was used until 1982, before then it was known a GRID, Gay Related Immune Deficiency because symptoms were first reported in 41 gay men in San Francisco. At that point they just didn't know how all of these issues were connected, but it was obvious they were. It is so easy for us who grew up knowing that facts to gasp at the ignorance, but in 1981/1982 this was completly new. It wasn't like Covid-19, which epidemiologists knew was related to other SARS viruses, nothing like this had been seen before. One of the early theories was that this was some kind of transmittable cancer caused by gay sex or lifestyle factors common in San Francisco. It sounds insane now, but there was logic given the evidence they had at the time. It was also wrong, which is why the terms changed.
@@peanutbutterbruv Correct, I cannpt say ot any better .
It was the best term for what they had.. now they've changed the name ,lol
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I was three at the time
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The good ole days
Aids was a disease mostly spread as a result of male hyper promiscuity.
They were wildin. This one guy said in a documentary he had, herpes, sphyllis, gonorrhea, & he continued to sleep around with other men. I don't wish bad on these guys but they were living recklessly.
@@dawnlee866 hello. do u remember the name of that documentary
@@LoveReece1 no I don't but the guy that said he had all these STDS name is Michael Callen. He died from AIDS in 1993
Sexual liberty after having hidden away saw people much more promiscuous as gay men do not worry about pregnancies and as far as we knew mpst anythong you could catch would be cured with pennicillin. They felt safe so why not ? Turned out they couldn't know what they did not know . AIDS became a reality in 1981 but it incubated in the 70s when Gay people were coming out .
You’re not wrong. Even Dr. Bob Wood says he and his partner probably got infected simultaneously which means they didn’t infect each other…so there had to be other sexual partners for both of them involved…yet they were in a relationship.
The Duesberg Hypothesis was about how "correlation versus causation" was the problem with AIDS. There are people who still believe homosexual activities, poppers, recreational drug use, not enough rest cause AIDS.
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You didn’t know all the facts then and 4 years later you STILL don’t know all the facts Bc if you did, there would be a cure.
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Obviously not bc you STILL do NOT have a cure!!!😢
Man I hated Anita Bryant .
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And that’s the reason why people spread it to others. 🤦♂️
Wow … wow wow … trust me the new gay generation have everything easy …
It's sickening there's even a subculture of "gift givers" where bottoms actively seek to be infected by POS men with this horrific illness!
perhaps caution before sex...... why do these diseases seem to affect one group more than others?
I am not blaming any person. People need to understand when they practice unsafe sex things happen...
How could this be gay related????????? Wow. It is but that doesn't mean people were wrong for being safe. Would ebola be treated in a different way?
The concept of "safe sex" to reduce the risk of STDs was invented in response to the AIDS crisis by the more astute members of the gay community. It was a new thing at the time. Advice from other corners was a little bit more of "repent" and "stop being gay." These corners, by the way, exerted some effort to censor the "safe sex" campaigns and any AIDS prevention education that specifically targeted gays. (They objected to these campaigns because they saw them as tacitly implying that same-sex relationships were alright.)
Yeah, 100s of sex partners in a year is insanely risky if you consider all the factors, but a lot of that is "hindsight is 20/20." The gay community had a couple things working against them.
1. AIDS was actually a new STI. The feeling at the time (and, in hindsight, this feeling was dreadfully wrong) was that medical science had advanced to the point where all the STIs could easily be treated, and *they could.* After the gay community teamed up with doctors to produce a vaccine for hepatitis b, all the *known* STIs had a medical response, which made people complacent. Natural selection, of course, made it somewhat inevitable that eventually something would emerge to take advantage of the environment which current medicine couldn't treat, but considering this would involve more thought than the average person, or moderately above average person, utilizes over most things.
2. The level of promiscuity was actually quite unprecedented. They were running an experiment that hadn't been run since (maybe) the Roman Empire. If someone felt foreboding over the situation, it would most likely be on the order of "I don't know *what* could go wrong, but I feel something will go wrong." The foreboding wouldn't have been based in any kind of experience and wouldn't have been able to rationally articulate the specific reason for its concern. It would just have been a conservative fear of a situation for which no map existed. (Conservativism has its merits for this reason, but if it wins every day nothing ever changes. Sometimes people just have to either stagnate or learn, perhaps painfully, from experience.)
Very simply because that orifice is not designed for that purpose. The tissue breaks and allows blood born pathogens to enter. Why is this even a question?
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Gross 🤮
There should be medical research and awareness.
They do not support any other thoughts.
Today HIV life expectancy is normal.
Scientists are amazing.
[This additional comment is to the person who replied to my original comment.Your cousin was given 3 months to live?Did he have a cd4 count of 5?
To bring him back from the brink and he lasted 20 years is amazing.In reply to your comment regarding OI’s,these only occur when you do not take your medicine.A lot of people think they know better than the Doctors and pay the ultimate price.Thats their choice.
I on the other i hand listen to my Doctors,they are the educated people in this area of medicine.With regard to side effects,they can be avoided with a change in tablet.
Life expectancy is normal with this infection,if you do as you are told.The science and data is there to prove this statement.
IF YOU ARE HIV POSITIVE,TAKE YOUR TABLET AND YOU WILL HAVE ZERO ISSUES.
They never took responsibility for their own actions. Running around screwing each other with no protection and being nasty cost them .
Omg so true
Oh dear, you still have so much to learn, you are 40 years late: 1 (hetero or homo) sexual encounter is enough to catch AIDS. Don t spread this harmful ignorance again. Ignorance and stupid comments like these are what allowed the virus to spread worldwide, then. So, take YOUR responsability.
Maybe hundreds of years of sexual oppression had something to do with that? And originally no one knew that it was an STD, so why use protection?
@@jonathanp89 Absolutely right. I lived through these days and I know for a fact that no-one had a clue what AIDS was or how it was transmitted. My heart bleeds for those poor young men.
@@madoak5597 Up until a point.. But a lot of people just did not want to have sex without a condom. Then you had future generations after the first wave actually trying to get it in "bug catcher" parties. So that they could receive government medicine and go back to carelessness. This is part of the story too.
It would be nice (if possible) if you would upload in something other than dog poop quality.
whats your point please?🕵️
Just be grateful man
Rude
Yeah cuz videos back then were HD like iPhones or something , right ?
I think it's in descent condition
god
WOW! All the hysterical Fear-Based overreacting sounds REAL current doesn't it? At least the fear of these people was understandable. All they knew for certain was if you catch this.....you are GOING to Die.
You COVID denying weirdos are so boring.
People love to be appreciated. It inspires us to do more, Thanks to Dr Osunmeh i met through youtube for doing what no other doctor could do. Thanks for curing my of HIV, you are amazing ...
Vous n'en avez rien à foutrent des gens qui sont atteints de cette fléau de maladie qu'ils ont, bien sûre si la compagne ou le compagnon ne dit pas à la personne avec qui l'ont vit ne le déclare rien alors l'autre personne en est affectée et contaminée,mais vous si ça serait vous qui seriez à la place de ces gens qui vous connaissez et que vous ou/et votre compagne ou compagnon l'aurait sans que vous n'ayez pas su tout de suite ou pas du tout est ce que ça vous plairait que l'ont fassent de mauvais commentaires sur vous est ce que ça ne vous ferait pas mal au cœur en plus de cette saloperie de maladie ??
Et bien arretez votre hypocrisie et reflechissez bien que ça pourrait même arriver à vous si votre compagne ou votre compagnon s'il ou elle sait qu'il ou elle sait qu'elle ou il l'a l'aurait et que vous n'en avez pas eu la vérité parce qu'il y a assez de gens mauvais comme vous avec vos grotesques manifestations et que si un exemple serait"et vous est ce que vous avez été contaminé (ee) et que l'ont ne vous l'aviez rien su alors ne rigolons pas de cette terrible et ce fléau de maladie et est ce que ça vous plairait d'être contaminés (ees) sans que l'ont ne vous l'aie dit,alors arrêtez d'être mauvais, indifférent,cette hypocrisie qui vous ronge les méninges et harcelez les gens avec vos harcèlement envers ces gens malades sans peut être ou même en le sachant arrêtez vos harcèlements et jetez les dans une poubelle parce que ça peut arriver encore une fois de plus à vous ou/et à tous le monde pour moi ce sont des hypocrites et des malhonnêtes et sont rongés par la méchanceté et l'indifférence et il n'y a rien de bon dans leur tête il n'y a pas toutes les frites dans le même sachet et rongés par l'indifférence avec leur grotesque manifestation,mais aimerait il que l'ont leur facent ce que ces dérangés font à ces gens qui ont attrapés ce fléau de maladie,ne faites jamais aux autres ce que vous n'aimeriez pas ce que l'ont ferait la même chose avec vous, ça vous ferait des représailles,bande d'hypocrites,de malhonnêtes...
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@unitenotdivide again: shame on you (both) for writing this here. Does the power to hurt makes u feel good? I can t see any other reason. So sad life u must have, then. But it s not an excuse to hurt. U carry hate and cowardice. They had love and courage, the opposite.
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