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Steam challenge.Double heading with USA v UK at Merehead 2008
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2012
- Spectacular steam display as UK 9f and USA class S160 haul stone hoppers up Merehead Quarrys incline with Switcher on rear. Turn up the volume
Man the S160 has some great stack talk. For engines with a 90 day life expectancy, they really were built well.
Probably one of the best locomotives Lima ever made
The about theese kind of use and throw away locos is that they were Incredibly simple in their make and thus ended up needing minimal upkeep and maintanace to keep em going. In Bosnia there are still WWII build german Locos doing daily service at a coal powerplant.
@@gwrstudios5181 they were also built by ALCO & Baldwin
We in Queensland got S200 (2-8-2) locks in 3'6" gauge in 1943...a couple still running, Qld and NSW ZigZag Rlwy. Boiler such an efficient design used for post war DD17 Suburban Tank Engine ( 4-6-4) till end of steam (1969)
"BLUE BABY" ALSO still running.
Ipswich (Qld) Railway Works Museum. AUSTRALIA.
Both steam engines did wonderful
Plenty of power on display there, great stuff!
love the 9F S THEY SEEM LIKE THE MOST CAPABLE BRITISH LOCOMOTIVE AWESOME VIDEO
They had 2 special open days, I was fortunate to attend both. I don't see these happening again, more the pity; Thanks for your comment
I like both kinds of locomotives, while British ones are generally better in the speed and style department (since we Americans dont have many engines now that can reach that speed left sadly) but American locomotives are better in the strength and fuel department cause they are usually way stronger and built for longer distances. But they are all amazing machines.
Not this one black prince has more tractive effort in normal terms strength they where designed to improve on freight haulage from all of the big four companies and the war locos. They could haul over 2000 tons in every day service this train here is stated somewhere as being 1700 tons which is way in the capabilities
9f wiki with tractive effort en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_Standard_Class_9F
S160 wiki with tractive effort en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USATC_S160_Class
@@TheSteamdriver We have decapods that can handle 4500 tons unassisted... come back when a 9F can do that
@@blackbirdgaming8147 the comment was about S160s and 9fs and not decapods. I can believe that a decapod is more powerful but my original reply was about the S160s and the 9fs it was a simple comparison of the two locos featured in the video. Bringing up the decapods is bringing the whole conversation out of context
I was part of the team that built this fleet of wagons at Marcroft Engineering , Stoke in 2000.
You did a good job too !
Looks like an EMD Switcher on the end.
I seem to remember that they wanted to let the Hall have a go, but something meant that they couldn't do it, possibly pathing reasons. Great video, wish I could've gone
I don't remember that detail; I wonder if they'll have another day like this ever again?.....thanks for watching
Glad you enjoyed the video. I have over 600 hrs of video; difficult to make a choice of what to put on YT !!
I started in 1986 when my camera used vhs, so I'm still copying to dvd and then some to dvd
Regards Mike in S/Wales
That sound of the whistle
I think the 9f went even better than the s160 loco
Its nominal power output is much higher.
9fs better built. Look great. S160 overated American junk.
Wow! Real life strength tests! So it turns out you don't just do them on model railways, and boy that American loco's strong, but with all that steam, the British loco really won when it comes to looking the most dramatic.
92203 'Black Prince' did 2158 tons solo from a standing start inc the EMD switcher.
The fireman wound up in the ER of the local hospital for burns to his arms from the hellish radiant heat from the open firebox door. The firebed was 3 ft deep and absolutely white-hot.
@@NJPurling Proper men. Like they used to be.
@@ollylewin because they worked on temperamental obsolete machines that are objectively less powerful than the more reliable and more economical diesel electrics we have now? That's the reason they were men?
@@ZILOGz80VIDEOS steam is actually better than diesels in sone aspects
Who cares who won, what a spectacle incredible to see these old time engine's doing what they were built to do, fantastic.
2:26 seeing *that* certainly caught me off guard.
They did well then. Good old 9fs!
I have to admit That S160 put on quite the show. The 9F did too. Who provided the wagons?
I presume they came from the depot that held the event
Thomas Weekley Omg your profile pic.
I was part of the team that built this fleet of wagons at Marcroft Engineering, Stoke in 2000
Nice to see them working hard
I can't see that happening again. Thanks for watching.................Mike.............in sunny Wales
@@TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways Well, Last year te UP Big Boy literaly banked a Train up a grade after one of its diesels died. They were asked by dispatching to give em a push, and they obliged. Sound and sight were amazing!
love it.
I don't think this will happen again. Just so pleased I knew about this special day....................Mike; locked in now for 2 months
Great video. Love the 9f. The American loco is good but prefer the look of the 9f. Also despite wheel slips she accelerated quicker and pulled her load well!
Thanks Matt. I'd almost forgotten about this clips from 10 yrs ago
Hope they’ll have a 28xx have a go at it with a S160 but that will probably not happen sadly
What’s the total Tractive effort 70’000 lbs. ?
It's so odd to hear the chuffs of an American loco (every quarter revolution on the drive wheel) alongside a British chuff (every third revolution of the drive wheel)
It seems to me you’re thinking about three cylindered locomotives with a chuff every third of a revolution that then results in a bit of gallop at the right speeds. The BR 9F’s are a two cylindered class of locomotive, just the same as many, if not all but I could be wrong, BR Standards with the only exception to that being number 71000 Duke Of Gloucester. So the 9F has chuffs every quarter of a revolution, just the same as the S160.
What load are they pulling in tons?
Matt Seymour 1000+ tons
Which Heritage railroad got the contract to work at the Merehead Quarry?
The Heritage locos were only there for this special event. Various National Companies move the stone from the quarry
I saw that American switching loco on the rear of that consist.
I believe that's used for shunting in the quarry
I needed to know why don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the new abandoned underground stations.
Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into six cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on that six cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10M, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers.
A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it bigger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into a High-Speed train?
The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden.
oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily.
Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train station in Chingford could they extend the DLR.
All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10M, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Six carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains.
Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to create more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.10 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And please do something about these very important Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, the Prime Minister of Sweden, the Prime Minister of Germany, the Prime Minister of Lathe ly, the Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Shut up
When was this video filmed?
2008; I don't think they'll have one again...thanks for watching
Hey, quick question, why do they have a diesel on the back. !? For brakes and helping it if it breaks down?
Yes, to both points. The steam loco is privately owned and the Quarry owners couldn't risk a breakdown of the loco or failed breaks running back down the incline ok?
Mike Wilcock thank you for your help
@@TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways wait, which steam locomotive?
We need this to happen again
You'll have to speak to the organisers. Too many H & S in 2023
I like the American EMD switcher in the back too! ;)
Something different, which I don't think we'll see again...............Thanks for watching.......more to come soon
What's it doing in the UK?
Glab im not the only one to notice it.
@@danielcreed2328 Earning its keep. Yeoman ordered that locomotive new from EMD. It’s been in the UK ever since.
With white smoke like that the engines either have an efficient fire or the train is real easy to pull.
Has nothing to do with that, colour of the smoke/steam coming out the main chimney represents steam to coal dust ratio. Generally you want it to be grey, show a mixture of coal burnt and steam usage, if it is white too little coal is being used, if it is black too much coal dust is being blown out the chimney instead of being burnt.
Plenty of pressure then, must have been Welsh Steam Coal.
Is it a true fact that steam locomotives with small fireboxes can't produce enough steam when regular coal is used?
It's no good Mike, The Americans won...Great footage once again....Bob
Wait USA won!!
GLITCHY BOY STUDIOS yes haha
Is this in the uk or USA ?
MEREHEAD is a quarry near Bristol in the west of England. Stone is extracted from there on a daily basis and moved by rail all over the UK
Wow looks amazing ✌🏻 love that black prince and s160 working together
So, where's the "challenge" ? Who, if anyone, won ?
looks don't matter, i rather depend on the usefulness and strength of an engine over its exterior looks.
I think a more fair competition would be an American road locomotive vs. a British mainline locomotive. For example an American Texan (2-10-4) locomotive vs. the British 92203. But too bad there's not a Class 9F in the US or a Texan in the UK...
A Berkshire is actually a 2-8-4, Not a 2-10-4.
+GorbiOak thank you the correction, that would be a Texan wheel arrangement.
Thanks for the correction; Always willing to take advice.........Mike
+Mike Wilcock I was talking about the 10 wheel arrangement being a Texan wheel arrangement.
No. No. A Berkshire is a 2-8-4. Also, it would be a lot more fair if you would use a Texas 2-10-4 because the Texas and 92203 are similar in wheel base and wheel arrangement.
Nothing comes close to a 9F.
If only video cameras were around in the 1950s when I remember them on the mainline in Lancaster
@@TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways My late Father worked on them as a Heaton Mersey fireman in the 50s and 60s and said they were the best steam loco ever made....even at 90mph on express work!
Nothing comes close to a 9f in what way? As in speed, strength, style, or maintenance?
Im assuming style for obvious reasons.
Is that the S160 which, for whatever reason hasn't got any sanders?
It is a little odd that if the locomotive were restored after coming from China, Poland or wherever it would have been retrofitted with sanding gear. You need sanding apparatus.
for me the 9F wins as it was accelerating the train whereas the S160 could only manage a slow even plod
The s160 can go faster but it pulls a lot at at a consistent low speed. Also the 9f is heavier so it can pull the weight with a faster acceleration . The s1 has to start out slow to get the consist moving.
so they re did the front of the American loco and added buffers. Why not just have the American headlight in the front?
Maybe the owners of the loco will reply.. Find them on Google too. Thanks for watching one of my 997 videos !!
@@TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways I dunno who the owners of the loco are.
@@pjyork8879 they have to remove it to fit British standard, the British headlamp placement have indication which service it runs
The 9f is blowing off half the time . Where is that extra 1000 tons just to stop it blowing off.😄
92203 overall was the most powerful engine. She was only struggling due to the fact that the two running lines used where different. one was continuously welded, the other was not. Thus on the sunday both engines used the same line and 92203 proved to be the more powerful engine.
The reason that 92203 lost was because she kept slipping due to not having slow-running qualities. If she had the slow running qualities, she could've won.
9f has more tractive effort(strength)
Not by much
Rail condition is crap.
Private railway !
Errrrrr. Hello? The Hall clearly won ;-)
yank train needs ours to push it lol
uk trains are for speed and looks
These are just memories of the 1950/60s that I remember as a boy !
Yes.
I’m not surprised. American engines definitely aren’t better than British engines, but they are better at heavy freight haulage, since that’s what they were designed for. British locomotives were designed for high-speed passenger trips, so they were faster.
92203 and this class were designed for freight; that's why they have 10 driving small wheels; better grip on the track
That's a very big generalization to be making, both the British and Americans built locomotives for specific tasks.
You, sir, obviously have never heard of a PRR S-1 or a PRR T-1; both capable of 140+ mph. Or the N&W Y6b, which produced the most tractive effort of any modern successful steam locomotive.
The S1 has more weight on the leading and wheeling trucks lol, they’d just slip to no end on a train. And the T1’s front suspension is dodgy so it slips badly too, the prototypes would of stood a better chance, and 140mph wasn’t official too, if it were recorded then I wouldn’t be saying this
TheSteamLocomotive yes!!!!! Finally a person who mentioned my fav locos.
You can almost sense Black Prince pushing USA thing
I am American I have not seen the video
But I'm I will say this
GO AMERICA
Thanks for watching. Do you have many preserved railways in the US ?
@@TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways that's a great question but unfortunately I'm not sure
I prefer britsh locomotives
Since I've watched Thomas the tank engine
@@TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways A late response. The answer is difficult as "many" is objective. For me, never enough. Brits have the best tiny narrow gauge lines which I love. We have larger narrow gauge too, (often of the logging type - shay etc),. Not the little ones though. We live not far from a place in California called Roaring Camp. www.roaringcamp.com/ That was the first live steam engine I got up close to as a kid, and it's still our favorite, (dixiana shay number 1), And yes, many preserved railways but one often has to travel quite far to see them. All this said - true railroad fans love them all - no matter the country. Brits and other Europeans often model American locos but you don't see Americans model European engines nearly as much. A shame as you have some incredible designs! Cheers.
I’m from us too.
Mike Wilcock I think. We do have preserved locos with their railroads road name on them though.