Isn’t it hilarious that Todd Howard said that about Fallout 4 in 2015? That game was still 30 FPS on console and now here we are almost 10 years later and devs STILL lie about it 😂
Imagine paying 700plus for the pro to maybe get 60fps gaming. what a scam.. just get a PC, free online, PlayStation games are coming to PC, emulation, cheaper games ect. it's a no brainer
Why would you even want a PC thats as trash as PS5-Pro. Whyle playing COD you will absolutely get demolished by RTX4090 owners with their $5000 build and 480Hz monitors. At least on PS5 everyone is stuck 120Hz and there are no cheaters when you disable cross-play. So it makes playing shooters like Warzone more relaxing.
@@SuadBekticyou can run 360 or ps3 games through emu, even ps4 stabily in a year or two. Also cheaters on console exist and on pc you can play a majority of games going back to the fucking 90s. Modding exists on pc. You can edit videos, render 3d stuff, and develop games.
@PlutonianPrince well you see... Im already selling a kidney to get a 4070. And the price went up about 300 dollars since last year, so i need to get it asap, 4090 is already 5000 dollars here. Im not gettind anything new ether until 2040, or until i die. So i need to grab what i can now.
95% of the time my PS5 was at 120Hz. Well I only played Warzone on it. Sony didnt lie about 120hz, its your brain that the problem, itsthinking like a robot "The box said 120, so everything should be 120. "
@@sneakycacti yeah and especially now adays overclocking provides very minimal benefits especially in gaming compared to say upgrading you're components and in this case the CPU.
@@korcommander Never heard of bottlenecking ? If the the rumors are true "which I doubt " . The ps5 pro gpu is as powerful as an rtx 4070 . Which I doubt alot but if it's true the old cpu will bottleneck it at lower resolution
Ponies will defend this by saying the developer "chooses" 30fps. 30fps is never a choice. It is a limitation. They seem to think developers wants 30fps and never consider that 30fps is just all the console can handle for said game
But look at games with 60fps mode. What is the cost of that. Internal render resolution between 720p and 1080p. Sure while on 1080p or even 1440p display this might look good/OK stretching it to 4K will not look good. Sure there are different upscaling techniques and algorithms some better than others. A render resolution of 90%, 85% heck even 80% of native display resolution might be acceptable but 50% or 75%? That is too much and while for static image upscaling can do a lot in games especially ones action oriented this will result in image softness and artifacts. To be frank when I play on consoles I still use old full hd tv or 1440p 27” display with wider color gamut.
Yesterday I read tons of comments of PS fanboys coping that PC players are complaining about the PS5pro because it's actually better or just as good as a PC within the same price range. Everyone, please go ahead to point and laugh.
@@DOGEELLL you are 100% right, all of the advantages you listed are the reason i play on PC but all of these advantages are related to the PC "platform", but PC "hardware" is very overpriced and garbage value it is impossible to build a PC that is comparable in capability to the ps5 at the same price with new parts...
@@DOGEELLL you don’t need a gaming PC to run emulation though, anyone with a generic modern PC can run 85% of emulation so why not have both for those who prefer consoles. Either way the facts remain, the ps5 pro is a great value and is comparable around 4060/7700xt which is a great improvement for console. PS does sales all the time btw lol
I find it funny that there are actual build guides for PCs around $700 or $800 that outperform the PS five Pro on UA-cam, yet that isn’t proof enough for these people. It’s pretty telling enough that these people have no idea what PC hardware is when we know that the PS five Pro is going to be around the 7700XT, and these people are saying that it will be more powerful than a 4070.
Maybe because there are millions of people who simply don't care about gaming on a PC. Did you ever think about that? Also no one is saying that it's more powerful than a 4070. You're either deliberately surrounded by idiots or you're making this up.
It is a 7700xt but it have AI upscaling like DLSS. So its more a 3070 ti. But it have more Vram. So its tricky. Because the console absolutely require pisser upscaling and its clean. So you can get a pc with a weaker upscaler or spend a little more and demolish the console with a 4070. People also forget the dual sense included. That controller is really good.
At least get an expensive one. Whyle playing COD you will absolutely get demolished by RTX4090 owners with their $5000 build and 480Hz monitors. On PS5 everyone is stuck 120Hz and there are no cheaters when you disable cross-play. So it makes playing shooters like Warzone more relaxing.
The PS5 Pro is such a scam. Still 30 frames per second. Visual enhancements that are marginal at best. But they want $700 for it. And believe it or not, but people pointing out how nonsensical the PS5 Pro is are actually a minority, sadly. The vast majority of gamers and media outlets are acting all hyped for the PS5 Pro. Crazy.
The video is dumb. The article says not reach 60. It don't say stuck at 30. It will have slow downs under 60 but mostly reach 60 just like the base mostly reach 30 but have slowdowns to 25 or even 20. It is designed to double the fps from the base console. If the base console struggle, it will double the struggle performance. Not magically stay at 60 by tripling 20.
i remember when the ps5 and new xbox was marketed a big point was thats it could run games at 120 fps which is hilarious now even the pro is being marketed as being enhanced but still at 30fps
If the thing was a reasonable price, has the disk drive already installed/came with the stand, had free online (like the PS3 still has, and Nintendo had until 2 years into the Switch’s lifecycle), AND was backwards compatible with physical disks I’d buy one yesterday. Aside from Astrobot, Ratchet and Clank (PS4 remake of the original. Rift Apart is on Steam), Octodad, and a few others there’s nothing that really wows me like games form the PS2/3 era do (I can just emulate those). I really like physical media, and was thinking about buying a backwards compatible PS3, but then I learned those are literally dying. Then I decided to just go with emulation since that’s far cheaper, and I can just wait till PS4/5 games come to PC. As it stands I don’t have a reason to buy the PS5 Pro.
also it should have a disk drive like the PS2's where you can remove the disk without needing the console on, and also to prevent any disk you put in there from getting stuck
I knew this was gonna happen. Meanwhile I can game at any resolution or frame rate I want with my $750 PC Ryzen 7 5800x RX 6700XT 32GBs DDR4 Samsung 990 EVO 1TB SSD
Why would you even want a PC thats as trash as PS5-Pro. Whyle playing COD you will absolutely get demolished by RTX4090 owners with their $5000 build and 480Hz monitors. At least on PS5 everyone is stuck 120Hz and there are no cheaters when you disable cross-play. So it makes playing shooters like Warzone more relaxing.
Ofc it will run at 30fps since it's just a minor upgrade it's like upgrading rx 5700 xt to rx 6700 xt and you need much more for 60fps at higher resolutions.
www.youtube.com/@Dregomz02 "minor upgrade" >$200 more >$80 for disk drive >$25 for stand >$70+ remakes and remasters (still no games) >$80+ to play yuwur own games online
Its almost 2025 games on console should unironically easily be 4k 120fps without flaw. Any dev who can't make it happen should be restricted to a max of $30 for their game. A dollar per frame. Lol
"games on console should *unironically* easily be 4k 120fps without flaw" I agree with you, but why did you say "unironically" there? Makes no sense. Please learn the proper definition and usage of "ironic" and "unironic".
You unironically know nothing about hardware bro. The PS5 just run PS4 pro enhanced games at 4k60. The PS5 need 200w, a 4090 equiped pc require 400w total and you need that for 4k120 in AAA games. Lets not talk about pricing either...
Can’t wait for my PS5 Pro to arrive on Thursday! Just got Black Ops 6 and love the 120hz mode, it’ll look incredible PS5 Pro enhanced with better resolution. Dragon Age Veilguard will get a nice enhancement as well, currently has a flawless 60fps mode but I won’t be surprised if they increase the 1440p output to 4K and up the details a bit. Can’t wait as I’ve already put in over 30 hours, hopefully I don’t beat it before the Pro arrives Thursday lol, I want a little upgrade for the finale of the game.
At least some of that is on the game developers for not bothering to optimize their games, the N64 had games that couldn't even reach 30 but F-Zero on the system managed to hit 60. Likewise, games like Metroid Prime on the Gamecube ran at 60. You'd think a $700 system, though, could squeeze in at least some CPU improvement.
I recently (like a day or so ago very recently) got myself a PS5 and it was simply because it's backwards compatible with PS4 games and I wanna experience FNAF Secret of the Mimic without all the crazy requirements Unreal Engine 5 has for PC (despite being a PC gamer). 30 fps isn't a deal breaker for me, but I wish consoles focused more on frame rates than graphics. Also, I watched a video where you used FNAF as an example, and I wanna thank you for being the first person to simply say "it's not for me" instead of ripping on it and the entire fanbase. That was nice to hear.
The PS5 is the best PS4 pro. It runs PS4 pro enhanced games at 4k60 if they are unlocked. Also, PS5 runs games at 60 in performance mode. It's higher resolution than 1080p most of the times. People are just retarded. They want a scooter to run like a harley. It wont happen.
Im buying it purely as a collector, ive got 2 ps5s currently. My day 1 release console and spider man 2 which are both keepers for me. This will look good with the entire ps1 to ps4 gen of my childhoods too plus a few other specials in between i got since most are chilhood consoles
All these PlayStation fanboys coping over it being 30FPS and to help cope they start pointing at Xbox and saying "Xbox was a 30FPS console before PlayStation!"
I feel like you should get a 60 fps mode so people that care about peach fuzz or whatever meanwhile us 60 fps gamers and 120 fps can all have that cake without this arugment
Any time they say "our hardware can meet so an so threshold in performance", its safe to assume 99% of games will get HALF of that at most. The same can be said with modern GPUs and CPUs where it seems the newer they are the more issues and less worth it they really are.
Personally I think now is an excellent time to buy a ps3 slim. 2100 and later models are really reliable and cheap, and as of right now it’s the only way to play gran turismo 6 and a lot of really fun exclusives. If you buy the right one you can even overclock, and it’s awesome.
For the most part i say this is in fact a developer/ possible sony issue. Reasoning: base ps5 can run games at 4k 120. Why it doesn't: because the higher ups dont care if they run that well. They want to push graphics while using framegen, and upscaling so they dont have to optimize the games. Or they dont want to make games at a lower graphic quality so they can actually hit native 4k 120, because the games must be as pretty as possible.
This was always my point. The cpu being exactly the same as the original PS5 was a terrible idea. It's going to act as a bottle neck in performance. It's the equivalence of buying two different speeds of PC RAM for a computer. The lower speed will hinder the faster speed RAM.
Dude. If the base console can hit 60 in performance mode, it means the cpu can feed 60fps to the gpu no matter the resolution. It will have the same deeps during cpu bound scenarios, but it will be less agressive because of the upscaling. It will not be locked at 60, but it will not be 30, unless base ps5 struggle and get to 15 in the same game at the same place. I would have agreed with you if they said the console would run at 120fps at 1440p. This it canot do. But 60 at 4k most of the time it can.
The problem is people who can afford and want the pro are getting corny video's like this . If you dont want it, cool move along. A whole video to say you hating is crazy!
Ray tracing is heavy on the CPU, the ps5 pro has a slight boost for it's CPU. 30 fps is understandable with Ray tracing. The 60 fps modes will use PSSR which is better than FSR. FSR sucks, that's why anyone with more than 2 working brain cells and a set of eyes, and the money would buy a ps5 pro.
Sneaky you don't realise that the ps5 pro runs just like the ps5 and doesn't come with a graphics card but still sells as much as a ps5 and they have too buy the card that I think is an extra 150 dollars and the pro is 700 dollars
He didn't say it will run at 30fps. He says it may not always run at 60. Basically, the pro is tweaked to double the fps of the non pro. If the non pro can't hit 30 (drops when the game is too heavy) the pro will have the same struggle. So, from 20 to 40 for example. I won't buy it, its an aberration, but i understand why it exists.
700 use for 30 fps? Worst trade deal in the history of trade deals ever. Not to mention it's a zen 2 cpu. Aka back before amd had good single thread performance. And with how lazy devs are I drought they making good use of zen 2's good multithread performance.
I have to ask, if the PS5 Pro can’t promise a consistently higher frame rate than the base console, what is actually the point of buying a Pro? I watched the reveal for it, and maybe I’m just too small brained to understand, but I remember the main selling point of the console being a higher frame rate, so if it can’t actually do that, what even is the difference? This isn’t meant to be mean or sarcastic, by the way. I genuinely want to know. Have a nice day. 🙂
If I had to guess it is because they are trying to make a profit which is why they could not have 60fps on every gpu limited ps5 game that ran 30 because for a long time consoles were sold at a loss or near a loss if ps5 pro is being sold for profit no wonder it is not much better than regular ps5.
It can output 8k. They never said it runs games at 8k. When you buy a 5G phone, you get pissed at the phone when you only get 4G ? Everything need to be compatible, even if the box says it will.
I swear i could build a gaming pc with better specs than the ps5 pro by going on Ebay Here are the parts i found A core i7 12700 A Thermaltake Versa H17 A used RTX 3070 A b660 motherboard from MSI 16gb of ddr5 ram from crucial A 750w cooler master power supply A 2tb Seagate hard drive paired with a 1tb wd black ssd And an Arctic Freezr cpu cooler And it costs me £693.37 which is around the same price as the ps5 pro
800 dollars or for the rest of the world OVER 1000 DOLLARS FOR A FUCKING CONSOLE... That can't even run 60fps cause no... Yeeeeey take my money Sony and spit on my face
I'm still using ps4 and Xbox one Barely used my Xbox series x And im gonna wait for the ps6 because there's not much difference with current gen and last gen Other than little fps improvement's
not everyone cares about framerate? bro we've had 60fps for decades now and we still get 30fps? they want a ton of money and they still try to give us 30.
Overpriced pile of trash. No disc drive, fragile AF, doesn't work offline, same graphics and frame rate as PS4, no stand. Just buy the PS4 as that is what the PS5 and PS5 pro are directly cloned from. Nothing has changed in the past decade.
I'm getting a slim this Black Friday if the price is reasonable. When i heard that the Pro didn't include the stand/disc drive...i lost all interest in it.
@@voiceofreason4551I wouldnt get a Slim, its as expensive as 4 years ago. Best value of consoles is when they get released, so PS5-Pro is a obvious choise for me. There will be many comparison videos online after the release, so you have some time untill black friday. Only way I would ever get a PS5-Base is second hand, I would never pay the same price that it was 4 years ago.
Why does the ps5 pro exist? Cause developers are lazy to optimize their games to run at 60
“60 fps will be the new standard”
And forever be.
Isn’t it hilarious that Todd Howard said that about Fallout 4 in 2015? That game was still 30 FPS on console and now here we are almost 10 years later and devs STILL lie about it 😂
8k and 4k 120 on the box 😂
It should be but it isn't unfortunately.
It is sonys fault for making a small half step console...
Imagine paying 700plus for the pro to maybe get 60fps gaming. what a scam.. just get a PC, free online, PlayStation games are coming to PC, emulation, cheaper games ect. it's a no brainer
Why would you even want a PC thats as trash as PS5-Pro. Whyle playing COD you will absolutely get demolished by RTX4090 owners with their $5000 build and 480Hz monitors. At least on PS5 everyone is stuck 120Hz and there are no cheaters when you disable cross-play. So it makes playing shooters like Warzone more relaxing.
Everyone wants a steam deck…just get a pc bro stop being a follower
@@SuadBektic you do realise cheaters exist on console for a long time my dude
Plus being able to mod some games. The most valuable thing about a pc compared to consoles is just the freedom
@@SuadBekticyou can run 360 or ps3 games through emu, even ps4 stabily in a year or two. Also cheaters on console exist and on pc you can play a majority of games going back to the fucking 90s. Modding exists on pc. You can edit videos, render 3d stuff, and develop games.
as a hardcore ps5 fanboy....
im saving for 4070 super.
Wait for the 5000 series if you save enough.
@PlutonianPrince well you see... Im already selling a kidney to get a 4070. And the price went up about 300 dollars since last year, so i need to get it asap, 4090 is already 5000 dollars here. Im not gettind anything new ether until 2040, or until i die. So i need to grab what i can now.
@@denisvarga2794 the 4070 super will be awesome still don’t let the graphics whores fool ya
@@denisvarga2794 get an amd 7900gre instead cause its cheaper and has 4 more gigs of vram that should be overclocked for 10% gains
the fact that my ps5 box was saying it could go up to 120fps if the tv/monitor was powerful enough, yet it still has most games at 1/4 of that 🙄
Id say most games target 60 but are unable to keep or reach it, but recently thanks to devs not knowing how to use UE5 we get quite a bit of 30fps
@ yea :/ btw when will you do another kabullo video? or has he left the comment section?
Let's not forget that shiny 8K plastered on the base PS5 box as well.
@@neilmiranda6739that they removed secretly later 🤣
95% of the time my PS5 was at 120Hz. Well I only played Warzone on it. Sony didnt lie about 120hz, its your brain that the problem, itsthinking like a robot "The box said 120, so everything should be 120. "
It has the same CPU, just 10% overclocked.
in my experience overclocking cpu just equals the boeing experience, constant crashes!
@@sneakycacti yeah and especially now adays overclocking provides very minimal benefits especially in gaming compared to say upgrading you're components and in this case the CPU.
@@danthebee27 let's not forget that those looking for overclocking are mostly those who are hardware enthusiast so for gamers it won't do much.
Cpu isn't the weak point. The GPU is
@@korcommander
Never heard of bottlenecking ? If the the rumors are true "which I doubt " . The ps5 pro gpu is as powerful as an rtx 4070 . Which I doubt alot but if it's true the old cpu will bottleneck it at lower resolution
Ponies will defend this by saying the developer "chooses" 30fps. 30fps is never a choice. It is a limitation. They seem to think developers wants 30fps and never consider that 30fps is just all the console can handle for said game
60 FPS was supposed to be the standard a decade ago and they still lie about it every chance they get
On PC if it's not running at 144p on 4k resolution then it sucks
@@ruvanefriebus-cv6td What?
@@Bambusbjoern2912 I think he means 1440p upscaled to 4k looks better vs upscaling lower resolutions like 1080p
But look at games with 60fps mode. What is the cost of that. Internal render resolution between 720p and 1080p.
Sure while on 1080p or even 1440p display this might look good/OK stretching it to 4K will not look good.
Sure there are different upscaling techniques and algorithms some better than others. A render resolution of 90%, 85% heck even 80% of native display resolution might be acceptable but 50% or 75%? That is too much and while for static image upscaling can do a lot in games especially ones action oriented this will result in image softness and artifacts.
To be frank when I play on consoles I still use old full hd tv or 1440p 27” display with wider color gamut.
Yesterday I read tons of comments of PS fanboys coping that PC players are complaining about the PS5pro because it's actually better or just as good as a PC within the same price range.
Everyone, please go ahead to point and laugh.
It kinda is though...
How? You cant do shit on a console no emulation no sales no mods no free online@@Gustaviustwinkelberry
funny, cause a pc with a RX 7700XT cost arround $750
@@DOGEELLL you are 100% right, all of the advantages you listed are the reason i play on PC but all of these advantages are related to the PC "platform", but PC "hardware" is very overpriced and garbage value it is impossible to build a PC that is comparable in capability to the ps5 at the same price with new parts...
@@DOGEELLL you don’t need a gaming PC to run emulation though, anyone with a generic modern PC can run 85% of emulation so why not have both for those who prefer consoles. Either way the facts remain, the ps5 pro is a great value and is comparable around 4060/7700xt which is a great improvement for console. PS does sales all the time btw lol
I find it funny that there are actual build guides for PCs around $700 or $800 that outperform the PS five Pro on UA-cam, yet that isn’t proof enough for these people. It’s pretty telling enough that these people have no idea what PC hardware is when we know that the PS five Pro is going to be around the 7700XT, and these people are saying that it will be more powerful than a 4070.
Even a 6700 xt is still great card and im sure its not far from a a ps5 pro if not matches it.
Maybe because there are millions of people who simply don't care about gaming on a PC.
Did you ever think about that?
Also no one is saying that it's more powerful than a 4070.
You're either deliberately surrounded by idiots or you're making this up.
It is a 7700xt but it have AI upscaling like DLSS. So its more a 3070 ti. But it have more Vram. So its tricky. Because the console absolutely require pisser upscaling and its clean.
So you can get a pc with a weaker upscaler or spend a little more and demolish the console with a 4070.
People also forget the dual sense included. That controller is really good.
Most people are absolutely brain dead
Luigi is not playing with the boos this time, man brought the heat this time.
Ponies can no longer use the "consoles are more affordable than PCs" argument ever again 😂
As a proud consel user I wholeheartedly argee just get a PC lmao
That’s why I’m getting a pc next
At least get an expensive one. Whyle playing COD you will absolutely get demolished by RTX4090 owners with their $5000 build and 480Hz monitors. On PS5 everyone is stuck 120Hz and there are no cheaters when you disable cross-play. So it makes playing shooters like Warzone more relaxing.
@SuadBektic it's pretty awesome buying an expensive gaming pc, Mine is $2300 CAD and it runs very well
30fps in the big '24 LMAO
The PS5 Pro is such a scam. Still 30 frames per second. Visual enhancements that are marginal at best. But they want $700 for it. And believe it or not, but people pointing out how nonsensical the PS5 Pro is are actually a minority, sadly. The vast majority of gamers and media outlets are acting all hyped for the PS5 Pro. Crazy.
The video is dumb. The article says not reach 60. It don't say stuck at 30. It will have slow downs under 60 but mostly reach 60 just like the base mostly reach 30 but have slowdowns to 25 or even 20.
It is designed to double the fps from the base console. If the base console struggle, it will double the struggle performance. Not magically stay at 60 by tripling 20.
i remember when the ps5 and new xbox was marketed a big point was thats it could run games at 120 fps which is hilarious now even the pro is being marketed as being enhanced but still at 30fps
Rather spend 750 and build a PC with unlocked framerate. Major L Sony.
Really £400 for the graphics card alone
If the thing was a reasonable price, has the disk drive already installed/came with the stand, had free online (like the PS3 still has, and Nintendo had until 2 years into the Switch’s lifecycle), AND was backwards compatible with physical disks I’d buy one yesterday. Aside from Astrobot, Ratchet and Clank (PS4 remake of the original. Rift Apart is on Steam), Octodad, and a few others there’s nothing that really wows me like games form the PS2/3 era do (I can just emulate those). I really like physical media, and was thinking about buying a backwards compatible PS3, but then I learned those are literally dying. Then I decided to just go with emulation since that’s far cheaper, and I can just wait till PS4/5 games come to PC. As it stands I don’t have a reason to buy the PS5 Pro.
Also, PSVR2 should be backwards compatible with everything from the previous version.
also it should have a disk drive like the PS2's where you can remove the disk without needing the console on, and also to prevent any disk you put in there from getting stuck
700$ for 30fps 😂😂 lol you might as well get a steam deck for 400$ and it has way more games
exactly
@@Nate_clips22 or rog ally that's also a good option i mean the regular one non refresh.
And the Steam Deck will run games at 60fps. 😂
And you can go out with the thing
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182some of them.
700 dollars for a ps5 pro is crazy to me as you might as well just get the base ps5 and just keep using your base ps5 instead.
gameplay is black ops 3
Luigi got tired of being scared lol
Really like the Luigi mansion mod looks nice.
liugi's had enough
I wish they added mod support to the other games too.
Bullsh*t
I knew this was gonna happen. Meanwhile I can game at any resolution or frame rate I want with my $750 PC
Ryzen 7 5800x
RX 6700XT
32GBs DDR4
Samsung 990 EVO 1TB SSD
Did you get that cpu second hand?
Or is the whole PC brand new?
@ GPU was the only thing I bought used. I got the CPU during a sale and everything else was brand new.
Why would you even want a PC thats as trash as PS5-Pro. Whyle playing COD you will absolutely get demolished by RTX4090 owners with their $5000 build and 480Hz monitors. At least on PS5 everyone is stuck 120Hz and there are no cheaters when you disable cross-play. So it makes playing shooters like Warzone more relaxing.
@@SuadBektic I don’t play Call of Duty. My PC works for what I need it to do. I do a lot more than game on it.
@@SuadBektic you have to be trolling
Ofc it will run at 30fps since it's just a minor upgrade it's like upgrading rx 5700 xt to rx 6700 xt and you need much more for 60fps at higher resolutions.
Yes but then why the hell is it 300 dollars more then the normal disk enabled ps5?
www.youtube.com/@Dregomz02 "minor upgrade"
>$200 more
>$80 for disk drive
>$25 for stand
>$70+ remakes and remasters (still no games)
>$80+ to play yuwur own games online
Luigi's Mansion if Nintendo wasn't MID
Skeletor: What are the lines on the side ? They represent the lines of coke we were doing while designing the console
You might also be asking HOLY F*@&&^% S&*% WHERE IS THE DISK DRIVE?! We don't know.
6:17 “ps5 looking like a beached whale” 😂
🐋
ps5 pro will be so cinematic
Ponies will prolapse their wallets anyway, because ponies.
At this point, it's believable that took a lot of lessons from DSP.
Its almost 2025 games on console should unironically easily be 4k 120fps without flaw. Any dev who can't make it happen should be restricted to a max of $30 for their game. A dollar per frame. Lol
"games on console should *unironically* easily be 4k 120fps without flaw"
I agree with you, but why did you say "unironically" there? Makes no sense. Please learn the proper definition and usage of "ironic" and "unironic".
You unironically know nothing about hardware bro.
The PS5 just run PS4 pro enhanced games at 4k60.
The PS5 need 200w, a 4090 equiped pc require 400w total and you need that for 4k120 in AAA games. Lets not talk about pricing either...
You won't get that even with a 4090.
at this point, why even bother getting the Pro? performance > resolution
Can’t wait for my PS5 Pro to arrive on Thursday! Just got Black Ops 6 and love the 120hz mode, it’ll look incredible PS5 Pro enhanced with better resolution. Dragon Age Veilguard will get a nice enhancement as well, currently has a flawless 60fps mode but I won’t be surprised if they increase the 1440p output to 4K and up the details a bit. Can’t wait as I’ve already put in over 30 hours, hopefully I don’t beat it before the Pro arrives Thursday lol, I want a little upgrade for the finale of the game.
At least some of that is on the game developers for not bothering to optimize their games, the N64 had games that couldn't even reach 30 but F-Zero on the system managed to hit 60. Likewise, games like Metroid Prime on the Gamecube ran at 60. You'd think a $700 system, though, could squeeze in at least some CPU improvement.
I'm glad you have a difference of opinion and not jumping on the bag wagon of hype. RESPECT MAN
I recently (like a day or so ago very recently) got myself a PS5 and it was simply because it's backwards compatible with PS4 games and I wanna experience FNAF Secret of the Mimic without all the crazy requirements Unreal Engine 5 has for PC (despite being a PC gamer). 30 fps isn't a deal breaker for me, but I wish consoles focused more on frame rates than graphics.
Also, I watched a video where you used FNAF as an example, and I wanna thank you for being the first person to simply say "it's not for me" instead of ripping on it and the entire fanbase. That was nice to hear.
The PS5 is the best PS4 pro. It runs PS4 pro enhanced games at 4k60 if they are unlocked.
Also, PS5 runs games at 60 in performance mode. It's higher resolution than 1080p most of the times. People are just retarded. They want a scooter to run like a harley. It wont happen.
That's pretty ridiculous. If you're waiting for the PS6 but you still need to hope some games won't run at 30 FPS.
Im buying it purely as a collector, ive got 2 ps5s currently. My day 1 release console and spider man 2 which are both keepers for me. This will look good with the entire ps1 to ps4 gen of my childhoods too plus a few other specials in between i got since most are chilhood consoles
They giving the ps5 pro that "cinematic" feeling
Playing the ps5 pro while watching the talk tuah podcast will be peak.
All these PlayStation fanboys coping over it being 30FPS and to help cope they start pointing at Xbox and saying "Xbox was a 30FPS console before PlayStation!"
I wouldn't be surprised if a old ryzen 3 outperforms this with a RTX 3060 Nvidia GPU working together
I feel like you should get a 60 fps mode so people that care about peach fuzz or whatever meanwhile us 60 fps gamers and 120 fps can all have that cake without this arugment
The only funny thing of this that even scalpers cant sell the ps5 pro's, in fact they're having to sell them at markdown It's that bad🤣🤣🤣
In order to run games at 60 fps..YOUR CONSOLE NEEDS GAMES. 'Nuff said.
Any time they say "our hardware can meet so an so threshold in performance", its safe to assume 99% of games will get HALF of that at most. The same can be said with modern GPUs and CPUs where it seems the newer they are the more issues and less worth it they really are.
"bubububut some random told me that it had 33TF and it was as powerful as a 4070!"
Personally I think now is an excellent time to buy a ps3 slim. 2100 and later models are really reliable and cheap, and as of right now it’s the only way to play gran turismo 6 and a lot of really fun exclusives. If you buy the right one you can even overclock, and it’s awesome.
LMAO. Can't wait to see Reforge's reaction.
luigi had enough of boo's sh1t😭
For the most part i say this is in fact a developer/ possible sony issue.
Reasoning: base ps5 can run games at 4k 120.
Why it doesn't: because the higher ups dont care if they run that well. They want to push graphics while using framegen, and upscaling so they dont have to optimize the games. Or they dont want to make games at a lower graphic quality so they can actually hit native 4k 120, because the games must be as pretty as possible.
Gta 6 will run 30fps on ps5 pro guaranteed and the fanboys will still cope.
And ponies want to tout it as the best thing ever in gaming, and then move the goalpost by making excuses for it
This was always my point. The cpu being exactly the same as the original PS5 was a terrible idea. It's going to act as a bottle neck in performance. It's the equivalence of buying two different speeds of PC RAM for a computer. The lower speed will hinder the faster speed RAM.
Dude. If the base console can hit 60 in performance mode, it means the cpu can feed 60fps to the gpu no matter the resolution.
It will have the same deeps during cpu bound scenarios, but it will be less agressive because of the upscaling.
It will not be locked at 60, but it will not be 30, unless base ps5 struggle and get to 15 in the same game at the same place.
I would have agreed with you if they said the console would run at 120fps at 1440p. This it canot do. But 60 at 4k most of the time it can.
It depends on the TV you use
Yeah, it just has better graphic fidelity and image quality in both modes, they never said there would only be 60fps modes from now on
AI upscaling is ugly
@ no, FSR2 is ugly, DLSS looks pretty damn good, and that’s what PSSR is closet to
Dlss looks bad most of the time, also who cares about visuals? They peaked 10 years ago anyway
@@sneakycacti depends, dlss quality looks pretty good with great performance gains, all you lose is a little bit of detail on grass and hair
AI upscaling has made developers lazy
The problem is people who can afford and want the pro are getting corny video's like this . If you dont want it, cool move along. A whole video to say you hating is crazy!
Ray tracing is heavy on the CPU, the ps5 pro has a slight boost for it's CPU. 30 fps is understandable with Ray tracing. The 60 fps modes will use PSSR which is better than FSR. FSR sucks, that's why anyone with more than 2 working brain cells and a set of eyes, and the money would buy a ps5 pro.
Sneaky you don't realise that the ps5 pro runs just like the ps5 and doesn't come with a graphics card but still sells as much as a ps5 and they have too buy the card that I think is an extra 150 dollars and the pro is 700 dollars
Most, if not all Sonys first-party exclusives have a performance mode. Its not really Sony's fault, but 3rd party developers.
i lost faith in sony when they shut down littlebigplanet
this is just a whole nother level of stupid
Correction, last of us 2 got remaster not a remake
So basically...current high end PS5 games that run at 1440p, then get upscaled to 4k and 30fps...will be native 4k at 30fps...🤦. What a scam
How? HOW? how is this possible when my 6 year old PC can run games at 120fps at 1440p? Imagine giving Soyny money willingly.
He didn't say it will run at 30fps. He says it may not always run at 60.
Basically, the pro is tweaked to double the fps of the non pro. If the non pro can't hit 30 (drops when the game is too heavy) the pro will have the same struggle. So, from 20 to 40 for example.
I won't buy it, its an aberration, but i understand why it exists.
700 bucks for a "smooth" 36FPS, LMAO
700 use for 30 fps? Worst trade deal in the history of trade deals ever.
Not to mention it's a zen 2 cpu. Aka back before amd had good single thread performance. And with how lazy devs are I drought they making good use of zen 2's good multithread performance.
Christ.. The Last of Us started as a PS3 GAME!!!
as someone who has never owned a playstation, i can confirm that i will be staying on pc.
I have to ask, if the PS5 Pro can’t promise a consistently higher frame rate than the base console, what is actually the point of buying a Pro? I watched the reveal for it, and maybe I’m just too small brained to understand, but I remember the main selling point of the console being a higher frame rate, so if it can’t actually do that, what even is the difference? This isn’t meant to be mean or sarcastic, by the way. I genuinely want to know. Have a nice day. 🙂
They advertised fidelity improvements, its up to you if you want to spend money for more fidelity.
If I had to guess it is because they are trying to make a profit which is why they could not have 60fps on every gpu limited ps5 game that ran 30 because for a long time consoles were sold at a loss or near a loss if ps5 pro is being sold for profit no wonder it is not much better than regular ps5.
Still waiting for 8K that Playstation promised with it on the box.
It can output 8k. They never said it runs games at 8k.
When you buy a 5G phone, you get pissed at the phone when you only get 4G ? Everything need to be compatible, even if the box says it will.
i just want to play RDR2 with 60fps on a console is that so much to ask for
It's still 30
60 fps with ai frame generation, without it 30 is the best we can do
I swear i could build a gaming pc with better specs than the ps5 pro by going on Ebay
Here are the parts i found
A core i7 12700
A Thermaltake Versa H17
A used RTX 3070
A b660 motherboard from MSI
16gb of ddr5 ram from crucial
A 750w cooler master power supply
A 2tb Seagate hard drive paired with a 1tb wd black ssd
And an Arctic Freezr cpu cooler
And it costs me £693.37 which is around the same price as the ps5 pro
"It can run games the 4090 struggled. It's more powerful than the 4090!"- Ponies
800 dollars or for the rest of the world OVER 1000 DOLLARS FOR A FUCKING CONSOLE... That can't even run 60fps cause no... Yeeeeey take my money Sony and spit on my face
Disk drive for life
I'm still using ps4 and Xbox one
Barely used my Xbox series x
And im gonna wait for the ps6 because there's not much difference with current gen and last gen
Other than little fps improvement's
But how when it hasnt even come out yet ?
800 bucks for potentially 0 gain... What?
Another xclown what hasn't got a clue
I dont blame the ps5 itself i blame those brick headed game developers who dont priortize gettimg a solid 120
Yo what's that game you're playing in the background?
Black Ops 3 Zombies moded
Buy it, credit card debt will still be a thing 100 years from now💀
They can't just optimize the games?
Of course they will. Console simply can't do 4k with Ray tracing. 4k quality will still be 30fps. Still waiting on that 8k launch promise lol
Im not even surprised
not everyone cares about framerate? bro we've had 60fps for decades now and we still get 30fps? they want a ton of money and they still try to give us 30.
I need that ps5 pro soyjack lmao
Made it myself
@ awesome I was laughing for a good min
Why am I wanting to apologise to the Nintendo Switch 😐
Overpriced pile of trash. No disc drive, fragile AF, doesn't work offline, same graphics and frame rate as PS4, no stand.
Just buy the PS4 as that is what the PS5 and PS5 pro are directly cloned from. Nothing has changed in the past decade.
Literally no point in this console. My ps5 slim works just fine and will play the same games. Overpriced nonsense
The Biggest Downgrade in History cuz the PS5 runs at 60 fps
Not worth buying in my opinion. I had a ps4 slim years ago but gave it to a friend of mine after I got my glacier white ps4 pro.
It will be able to run whatever bulls**t you're playing. Only like 5 games, this generation came out without a 60fps mode.
It will run a Luigi’s mansion mod for black ops 3?
Isn't the whole point is that it's supposed to be better
Just wait for next gen or buy a PC
Edit: its a pro without the base features 😂
See you on the 7th can't wait for your apologies.😂
so normal ps5 is as good
Im sticking with base ps5
I'm getting a slim this Black Friday if the price is reasonable. When i heard that the Pro didn't include the stand/disc drive...i lost all interest in it.
@@voiceofreason4551I wouldnt get a Slim, its as expensive as 4 years ago. Best value of consoles is when they get released, so PS5-Pro is a obvious choise for me. There will be many comparison videos online after the release, so you have some time untill black friday.
Only way I would ever get a PS5-Base is second hand, I would never pay the same price that it was 4 years ago.
"I see all this hype for the ps5 pro"
Where?
Where do you see hype for the ps5 pro?
@@glovemiester twitter
All hail sneaky cacti