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I don't even call it the Power 2. It's the have's vs. the have nots. We all know who's who.
Lots of people keep referring to a reset in college athletics. The reset will separate a tier 1 from tier 2. I agree the rush to add G5 schools in the B12, and soon ACC and PAC is a desperate survival move but the idea is to discriminate between haves and have nots. the more G5s they elevate. The harder it will be to argue your conference really is a power conference.
The gap between the P2 and everyone else is going to be a chasm a mile deep in 2-3 years. Neither the ACC nor Mid 12 are a power conference. They are just Triple A teams and feeder programs for players and coaches.
No it won’t.
Unless they lose a lot of their teams BIGXII and acc will always be power conferences. Heck I would say the top ten BIGXII teams could beat the bottom 12 big ten teams
@@nickboehly You have no idea of how absurd your post is. The fact that Oklahoma State could beat South Carolina doesn’t make the Mid 12 a power conference.
These people think the ACC and the BigXII are just a half a click behind the P2 🤣. Still using the term "P4".
It’s all so arbitrary. There are so many “left out” schools that are better than some of the schools that are “in”.
Such is the messy evolutionary system we’re seeing here.
Why would any league want KU. Football is driving this not basketball.
Ill defend william Byrce. Its a hard place to play, just SCar hasnt been good for 10 years. Ask UGA about going to Columbia when Spurrier was there.
Clemson, Mich, tOSU, Alabama, UGA arent hard to play at its just those teams are generally really good.
Agreed, the list was about atmosphere. William Bryce Stadium has an amazing atmosphere, even while they're down. I guess the Tennessee upset keeping them out of the playoffs was forgotten. And I think Tennessee took their frustrations out on Clemson in the bowl game that year.
Yeah this moron doesn't understand atmosphere is different than good at football.
Ask anybody from a team in the SEC, and the majority will have Williams Brice in their top 3.
It's the kind of place where you can come in as a #5 playoff contender, and leave with 63 points hung on your azz by a team that had 15 total yards through 3 quarters at A&M.
So they're trying to make a Premier League? How would any sort of promotion/relegation system work for that?
The divide is between the P2 and everyone else.
The financial gap between between the P2 and middle 2 is greater than the financial gap between the middle 2 and the G5
It really isn't. The ACC paid about 8 million a team. The Big 12 paid four times that.
@@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982I'm sure you mean the AAC. The math still doesn't agree with you. $8M times 4 is $32M. The difference between those numbers is $24M. 24M + 32M = 56M, 56M is about what the SEC distributes now before the increase. Meaning, they're closer to the G5 than the P2. The math agrees with the original comment. Those aren't the exact numbers, but the end results gap is still large enough to be correct.
@@tremoore61 I think the original commenter is still very wrong though. From what I can find from quick google searches:
SEC payout per team: ~51M
B1G payout per team: ~60M
ACC payout per team: ~40M
XII payout per team: ~40M
Note that these numbers are only for full-share members, e.g. XII only paid BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF 18M bc they are new to the conference.
Now for G5:
AAC payout per team: ~8M
MWC payout per team: ~4M
Too lazy to find out the rest, but AAC is the highest out of all them anyway.
These are just payouts from conference to teams. It clearly shows that there is a gap between SEC/B1G and ACC/XII, however that gap is significantly smaller than the gap between ACC/XII and the AAC, which is the G5 conference with the highest payouts.
I think this is important context for people who feel like the “lesser” half of the ACC should just roll over and get relegated to the G5 while the cream of the crop move over to the P2. I think the best solution for everybody is one in which the P4 stands, but of course this is starting to seem unrealistic. XII is getting diluted and ACC is riddled with infighting that is mostly caused by their failure to secure a forward-thinking media rights deal.
@@tremoore61 I did mean AAC but still think I am right about the math because I was speaking in terms of proportion. 32 million is more than half of 56 million. So SEC advantage over Big 12 is less than 2-1. Big 12 advantage over AAC is 4 to one. 32/8.
@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982 The original comment said, "The gap between the P2 and the middle 2 is greater than the financial gap between the middle 2 and the G5." And you replied, "it really isn't." So, in your example it's 8M vs 32M. The difference between the two is 24M. The P2 will be around 70M, I used 56M as an example of what one league already pays out. So the gap between 32M vs 70M, is 38M. That means the gap IS greater between the two (38>24).
Now you flip it to mean in terms of proportion? Nobody said that. How does having a higher proportion help your argument in terms of financials? Unless whomever you're referring to has a better ratio between operating cost and conference distribution.
Let’s be real, it’s really the Power 2 with the B1G and the SEC.
as long as the Power 2 got Maryland, Rutgers, Vandy, South Carolina, Illinois, UCLA, Indiana, NW, Arkansas, Miss State, Michigan State, Kentucky, etc etc etc, they aint the Power 2 but in name only. If we "keepin' it real"
@@StageCoachMedia3656 That’s hilarious. You need to understand that the B1G and the SEC hold all the power. Those who have the money have the power and those conferences have ALL the money, not just in athletics either. The dying ACC and the little 12 don’t even come close. The numbers are all there if you take the time to do the research. It’s the Power 2 and will remain the Power 2 for the foreseeable future.
@@StageCoachMedia3656Once FSU/Clemson leave the ACC there will be two teams outside the SEC/Big Ten that we can say have a reasonable shot at the National Title because of their history. Notre Dame and Miami and the latter has done nothing over the past 20 years and continues to sink. They could just turn it around via recruiting in Florida. It's the P2 regardless of the lower tier teams being in those conferences.
@@Marketex1 you cant carry all that dead weight and be ELITE. Elite is top to bottom, not just some bullies at the top 2 or 3 feasting on bottom dwellers. the playoffs regardless of conference will be filled with deserving teams, who on "any given Saturday" can win.
Expect some upsets and upstarts in the future.. Its what makes sports great.
@@briggsofdisasteryou do realize if the B1G lost OSU Oregon USC Penn State and Michigan, they would be on par with the Big 12 possibly even worse. So 5 Programs carrying an 18 team conference isn’t something I’d look at and say “they have ALL the power”. The big12 is in a position to flip this P2 narrative around if they just win. 1 national championship in the next 7 years is all that needs to happen. And i very well could happen.
Collective bargaining will drive out those who can’t afford it.
Like to see the best football schools from the Acc and Big12 combined.
Me too, but in the current evolutionary process of college football rather than logical planning, that just won’t happen.
No to the hillbilly conference ACC
Texas and OU leaving the Big 12 was probably the greatest thing that could have happened to the 2 schools and maybe even college athletics. The era of big schools subsidizing small schools is over! The age of big schools being hobbled and limited in what they can do with their wealth and their alumni’s wealth to support athletics, is ending. Should have happened a long time time!
LOL. the SEC and BIG are full of "little schools"
😂🤡 Texas became relevant their last year in the conference. Everybody in the conference had multiple wins against Ou and Texas. Oklahoma carried the conference not Texas.
@@ardentlions6636 ok and your point being? Just go look at the ratings that Texas games got! Even being garbage for the last 10 years Texas has the highest regular season ratings in the Big 12!
ESPN and Fox pay for ratings, they don’t pay for wins!
If the G5 break way from the tier3 semi pros (P4), more FCS programs will move up to join them. True amateur college football will be the new G5 sub-subdivision.
In fact, SOME P4 may join the New G5.
Mass Streaming will make real amateur college sports more valuable to Amazon etc.
The gap between the SEC/B1G and the Big12/ACC is about as big as the one between the Big12/ACC and the MWC/AAC.
I wish it wasn't the case but it is. We are entering an era of tiers.
Im not sure its as big as everyone wants to claim it is.
@@StageCoachMedia3656 75 Mil vs 30 Mil vs 5 Mil? Dude, that feels like a crazy gap.
@@Kasual1911 and yet, Rutgers is still Rutgers, Vandy is still Vandy, Maryland is still Maryland....TCU beat Michigan in a CFP game, last year Okie Lite beat Texas AnM...Ever hear of diminishing returns?
Also, that gap might not be as much as it is now at is will be in the future. Yormark has lots of options to monetize his lead, and isnt afraid to pursue them.
@@StageCoachMedia3656 Yes, the bottom tier P2 is equal to High end ACC or Big 12, maybe even mid tier. The same is true for AAC and MWC right now...
But what does that separation look like when the money separation goes from 20% to 110% between p2 and ACC and MWC?
@@StageCoachMedia3656 I'd be inclined to agree with you, except, the money gap won't display in difference until we're about 4 cycles in the new payment gap. That money gap isn't wide yet. 300m vs 100m will show, unless those big 12/ACC teams get deeper individual donors. And t.boone isn't coming back to save the day.
Seperation or Separation?
College football needs to be semipro
The acc will implode the big 10 and sec will take what they want.. the big 12 will take teams left with some tradition the 4th power conference will be the pac 2, acc leftovers and the best of the group of 5.. 4 conferences remain the rest end up in the subdivision
It's only the Power 2. Get to the 32 teams that best fit the description and move forward. Stop holding these conferences every 6 months. There are teams in both of those conferences that don't belong there. 32 upper echelon and then everyone else.
If the “P2” is the future of college football you can count me out. Meanwhile Vanderbilt, MSU, Northwestern and others inherited a spot at the big table, they certainly didn’t earn it. Players making money is more important than player development? Those kids will be wishing they hadn’t been paid when their income tax comes due and they blew their money on things they shouldn’t have. Player loyalty to the school is even less than team loyalty to a conference. Deal me out, I’ll watch Texas high school football.
USF and Memphis better jump on board quick
I hear ya.
There’s only about 5 schools realistically that have to find a life raft.
Wazzu, Osu, Memphis, Tulane, usf.
That’s the extent of it. After that there are no teams that are ready and have proven themselves in market, money, and drive to be a part of cfb
i got bad news for usf and memphis
@@Knightowl1980 I agree. But I think USF and Memphis are on the verge and will be the next ones invited somewhere. So they better hurry up and do some sweet talking
@@brandonh5360 they’ll get invited to a diminished ACC if 2+ teams leave.
Television money is going away.
I suppose this is inevitable in football. It will not happen in basketball.
It's funny you include the XII 😆
G5 needs to just break off, start its own collective bargaining agreement, split the money, have its own playoff and champion.
If you wanna make that a promotion/relegation situation with the P4 and actually get the P4 to buy in, sure, go for it. But just do your own thing. They will make more money doing their own thing.
They've turned college football into a joke, nobody outside the big 2 conferences cares about who wins football playoffs any more, I know I won't be watching anymore
It has completely screwed the fans I hope nothing but the worst for the NCAA and head's of each conference
P4 meaningless. It’s P2 and the rest.
The socialism era is over, no more will the mediocre programs suckle from the tete of the strong.
Both of these guys are ignorant about football seems like to me.
We’re already at that tipping point where there’s just the B1G and the SEC as true powers in sports. I think the Big12 panicked and added lesser schools when they should have been more patient to see how things were gonna play out. Now the Big12 is just too watered down with few marquee programs left and a lot of mouths to feed. And realignment is not done yet either. KU will likely be part of the next round of schools added by the SEC or the B1G, but then again, the ACC has yet to be picked over. And the ACC certainly has several schools that are worth scooping up. It’s ridiculous that this is what it’s come to. Two behemoth conferences that half the country won’t give a rats a** about.
Patience is what happened to the Pac. If the B12 doesn't add those 4 schools, there is no B12.
Kansas was the team that was supposed to be going to the Big Ten before along with Missouri. Kansas doesn’t have a strong enough football program for the big tend to be interested, much less the SEC. Jayhawks are where they are for a reason.
@@tpatrickl9539
You’re probably right, but it doesn’t explain why Rutgers was added to the B1G. Or Maryland for that matter. I know being in large markets plays a huge role in those decisions. But football had nothing to do with them being added. Football programs rise and fall, just like Nebraska. The last couple of years, Kansas football would have been better than half the teams in the B1G. But you’re probably right…
the Big Ten wanted into the East Coast markets. It also gave them some other teams to go with Penn State. Probably not well thought out. They found teams that are ready to move and took advantage of it. It’s getting to the point where we might start seeing some of the leagues cutting off the lower level programs. Vanderbilt. Northwestern. Rutgers. Wake Forest. The SEC and the Big Ten both have football programs that consistently under perform. It wouldn’t surprise me if they get rid of those so they can make more room for better, more competitive teams. sad not sad to see the demise of Nebraska. Not much else to do in that state anymore, lol!
And who would the BIG kick out and add for a Northwestern?? TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas St.??? You lose Chicago, you lose a great academic university for those schools I listed...your kidding me!!!
Well, duh Tell us something we dont know.