Got it to build credit Live where backroads are 55 mph but there is a route that nobody takes that I could go 50 on all day. And when I get to the city it’s all 35 to 45 insurance is 50 a month only because I’m 19 and I financed it and I’m 6 foot 2 270 pounds
It seems that Navi is physically bigger than the Grom and more spacious. That would make it more comfortable in spite of poor suspension and seat quality, is that right? I sat once on a Navi in a dealership and the seat seamed well-padded and pretty comfortable, definitely spacious.
The navi is a little taller, the seat isn’t bad for short rides, but trust me you’ll feel it after you’ve ridden it long enough 😂. Overall it’s great for the price!
2023 honda grom in south florida. Brand new cost anywhere from 6500-8000. It's the craziest mark up I ever seen. Broward Motorsports is charging 2500 extra between destination and Assembly fees.
I live near a downtown area and am a new rider. What a new rider needs to be careful of with the Navi, is that, while it's not a fast bike at speed, that little shit is quick 0-30 and involves a little practice with throttle control if you've never ridden and are still learning balance. When the light turns green, she wants to GO.
I found this video since I am debating on those 2 bikes as a 2nd fun motorcycle. Thanks for the info. BTW...was just watching a youtube video by LifeofBirch and he just installed new shocks ($35) and said it made a big difference on the Navi. Also I wanted to compliment you on that beautiful Lincoln in your driveway.
I could agree with that for sure. The navi seems more practical for going to work everyday with the extra storage for things and the Grom is awesome for just cruising around. But both could do either without a doubt though
Thanks for the response, I think a trike would be very interesting, I'm a 300 pound guy and a little big for a grom or a navi. But I was thinking that a trike could be more of my style. Fat tires, wide fender flares. I hope to see if you can make this happen. And thanks have. Blessed day
I'm looking at getting my 1st bike above 50CC, And these are the 2 that I'm really looking at. All I would like is to be able to go 55 or 60 after some modifications and get some good fuel economy in the meantime.
For the higher speed, I’d have to say the Grom would be better especially if you have a fair share of 55mph zones on your commute. If it’s just occasional 55mph zones the navi would be fine. I’m 210lbs and have never had my navi up to 55 even down a hill. My navi doesn’t have any mods yet either though, but even then it might a tough. If you’re a lighter rider it might be doable.
@@ModdedProjectsGarage I'm really amazed that it could not get above that speed but I'm sure it has to do something with gearing. I had a stock 2 stroke 50cc that did 42mph With my 240 pound roommate and my 190 pounds on it. I'm going to keep researching respective aftermarkets, but as you said, the grom has many more options. this video definitely helped! Thanks!
i was thinking about getting one or the other idk i want one for work and back mostly i only live about 5 or so miles from work and maybe cruising to home and to the store i was thinking maybe the navi bc it wont break the bank for what i want to use it for
True, but the top speed of the Grom allows me to daily it to work, where I can take advantage of the 136 mpg for my route, where the Grom will pay for itself over time.
Can you answer a question for me since you got both . Can you tell me if the exhaust manifold is the same in both every time i type in navi full exhaust , the grom exhaust pops out too
Am getting the Navi, because I don't wish to drive my car out to nearby store to get stuff. Need to find parking lots and all that. Waste patrol more with car. Navi fits so well and serve the purpose to go shortcut to nearby store. By car, I would have to do a big turn, over traffic lights to get there.
Awesome to see sometime in my state also interested in these bikes! I just put my deposit down for a brand new Navi. Is the Navi considered a scooter or a motorcycle in our state? License wise
@@ModdedProjectsGarage thanks! Sounds good! 👍🏼 do they let you do the permit and the driving portion of the test in the same day? I’ve been riding dirt bikes and street bikes for 15 years or so, but always just got a permit in the summer since I’ve always lived out of town 😂 I’d like to get the license now though since I plan to start having a passenger with me sometimes
im sorry do you mind me asking what city or at least what state you live in? that just seems to me like such a nice community/neighborhood to raise a family and i just got married...
I’m looking at making an adventure style bike with the navi. I have a decent amount of ideas for that. I have a yoshimura exhaust coming for the Grom and that’s about it for right now except for a wrap for a small portion of it. Not sure on the trike, but that sounds interesting!
Dang I was really into the price of the Navi until I heard about it being a cvt instead of like the grom I was really hoping it was just a more basic and cost effective slower grom
Um did you not pay attention? It IS slower than the Grom. And you want something more basic than the Grom? You CAN'T get any more basic than the Grom LOL
I haven’t done any engine mods to the navi yet. I can’t say first hand, but I think it would be pretty minimal. If you need more speed you need a bigger bike unfortunately.
I've done intake and rejet, as well as lighter CVT rollers on my Navi, and I still top out at 50-52. I'm a bit bigger guy at 230 lbs, though. I will say, it gets up to that speed much faster than it did stock.
***update*** (12/27/22): I never bought the navi even though it’s the first bike I saw that inspired me to learn and go to mss. Learned and passed on a grom. Love the grom/considering one. Not a fan of shifting/stalling but then again my rider experience is only two days and 45 minutes, so of course I need to practice. narrowed down to 10 bikes on my list. 8 of which are manual, 1 electric and then navi. No Chinese junk makes. The manual ones on my list are able to have a rekluse clutch fitted to it which will make stalling no longer an issue. I will still have to shift with my foot but that’s not a problem. Plus I can still use the clutch if I want to as it is still recommended. A rekluse will not make it automatic but it will eliminate stalling coming to/taking off from a stop. The prices people are asking for a navi otd/used are ridiculous when I can get a decent used 2018-2020 Grom for the same price. I honestly can’t justify spending any more than $1500 on a navi. There’s too much crap you’re gonna have to do to it in order to make it up to decent specs and that’s dumping at least another two grand into it. So I’m def still browsing. I’m shopping under 650cc pref. My most powerful bike on my list is the Vulcan S, weakest is navi.
Stalling is normal when you're first learning. That's why it takes practice. If you like the Grom more in pretty much every regard, you should go for the Grom and learn. You'll probably want to learn shifting either way if you're serious about motorcycling. You cannot swap the brakes without serious skills or monetary investment on a Navi. Frankly, you'd spend more on the Navi swapping out things and modding it than you would buying a Grom outright. Coming from someone who was in the same boat (bought a Navi after the course), I can wholly recommend just getting the Grom instead.
@@joemommaganja some ppl are fkn busy like w/ school finals and work. And I did respond. My school ended 12/21. Sorry I’m not on the Internet every second of the day like you might be. some people do have lives. I guess I’ll note down that you need immediate answers in the future
@@lostintheclouds8719 Oh man.. don't even worry about stalling. Honestly, you may do it a few times accidentally, but you'll get the hang of it in no time. Consider how much progress you made from zero knowledge to being able to ride a motorcycle in just the course. It's a bit silly to buy a Grom, then not ride it until you get a semi-auto clutch upgrade. Unless you're mechanically inclined, you'll also have to pay and wait for an install too. Not worth it. Just ride it around the neighbourhood a bit, you'll get the hang of a clutch in no time. Trust me. If you're so dead set on a semi-auto bike, maybe look into the Trail or Supercub if you're in the States. But honestly, learn the clutch. Better to learn how sooner, rather than instilling bad habits now and making it harder to learn in the future.
As experienced rider, I say;- Buy a Grom and stick with him. When gas is going to 15 dollars per gallon, you will be still moving. Just stick with Grom, till rest of your life.
I have a Navi I want to upgrade the headlight I think it looks silly it's bigger bike than grom but has tiny headlight assembly I'm thinking to just mount the 2nd gen from headlight already upgraded the shitty seat
A city with heavy traffic is where the Navi shines.
I would agree with that for sure!
what about ATL or Arizona
Got it to build credit
Live where backroads are 55 mph but there is a route that nobody takes that I could go 50 on all day. And when I get to the city it’s all 35 to 45 insurance is 50 a month only because I’m 19 and I financed it and I’m 6 foot 2 270 pounds
@@kennylopez-bb7wh how’s riding in the country? That’s the only reason I’m buying one
@@kennylopez-bb7wh$50 a month?!
I pay $73 a year with progressive and I'm a 19 year old African American male!!!
If the navi had a larger engine still with the cvt it would be sick
You misspelled "dangerous" 😂
I agree. There's no reason why it couldn't at least be a 125 and retain the same price.
@@ReeeeeToadedwhy would it be dangerous
Honda should bring back the affordable 50cc, 2-stroke, 5-speed manual, 7 HP screamer, the MB5! 53 MPH!
$100 for better shocks on the navi are a game changer.
What shocks?
It seems that Navi is physically bigger than the Grom and more spacious. That would make it more comfortable in spite of poor suspension and seat quality, is that right? I sat once on a Navi in a dealership and the seat seamed well-padded and pretty comfortable, definitely spacious.
The navi is a little taller, the seat isn’t bad for short rides, but trust me you’ll feel it after you’ve ridden it long enough 😂. Overall it’s great for the price!
2023 honda grom in south florida. Brand new cost anywhere from 6500-8000. It's the craziest mark up I ever seen. Broward Motorsports is charging 2500 extra between destination and Assembly fees.
That’s absolutely insane!! 🤯
What you recommend? Im from Fl to
@@ModdedProjectsGarage ya prices down here are nuts, where do you live with these awesome OTD prices?
North Dakota 👍
I'm in south Florida. I was given a price of $5,500 otd. It's nuts.
I live near a downtown area and am a new rider. What a new rider needs to be careful of with the Navi, is that, while it's not a fast bike at speed, that little shit is quick 0-30 and involves a little practice with throttle control if you've never ridden and are still learning balance. When the light turns green, she wants to GO.
I found this video since I am debating on those 2 bikes as a 2nd fun motorcycle. Thanks for the info. BTW...was just watching a youtube video by LifeofBirch and he just installed new shocks ($35) and said it made a big difference on the Navi. Also I wanted to compliment you on that beautiful Lincoln in your driveway.
Thanks!
@@ModdedProjectsGarage sorry it is "Life of Burch" (I misspelled it earlier.)
navi for everyday use in cities and grom for fast longer rides
I could agree with that for sure. The navi seems more practical for going to work everyday with the extra storage for things and the Grom is awesome for just cruising around. But both could do either without a doubt though
Thanks for the response, I think a trike would be very interesting, I'm a 300 pound guy and a little big for a grom or a navi. But I was thinking that a trike could be more of my style. Fat tires, wide fender flares. I hope to see if you can make this happen. And thanks have. Blessed day
Bro how about you lose some fat? Come to gym and enjoy life? Hey! You can even enjoy riding navi/ grom too.
I'm looking at getting my 1st bike above 50CC, And these are the 2 that I'm really looking at. All I would like is to be able to go 55 or 60 after some modifications and get some good fuel economy in the meantime.
For the higher speed, I’d have to say the Grom would be better especially if you have a fair share of 55mph zones on your commute. If it’s just occasional 55mph zones the navi would be fine. I’m 210lbs and have never had my navi up to 55 even down a hill. My navi doesn’t have any mods yet either though, but even then it might a tough. If you’re a lighter rider it might be doable.
@@ModdedProjectsGarage I'm really amazed that it could not get above that speed but I'm sure it has to do something with gearing. I had a stock 2 stroke 50cc that did 42mph With my 240 pound roommate and my 190 pounds on it. I'm going to keep researching respective aftermarkets, but as you said, the grom has many more options. this video definitely helped! Thanks!
@@jake6483glad it helped! Good luck with your purchase! 👍👍
Dang...Gues i gotta get both
The tricolor kit reminds me of the 500 interceptor that I had in the 80s
My fav bike of all time
Where do you live? I love that backyard!
i was thinking about getting one or the other idk i want one for work and back mostly i only live about 5 or so miles from work and maybe cruising to home and to the store i was thinking maybe the navi bc it wont break the bank for what i want to use it for
The navi would be perfect for that 👍👍
I don’t think the Grom is twice as better as the half off NAVI- that what it really comes down to
True, but the top speed of the Grom allows me to daily it to work, where I can take advantage of the 136 mpg for my route, where the Grom will pay for itself over time.
From an old rider to a new one you might try to get used to saying ride the bike and still drive it.. Welcome to Riding I know you'll enjoy it always
Looking to buy one of these bike. Great comparison video
Thank you! I hope it helped! 👍
Get 2 Naviss for 1 grom
Can you answer a question for me since you got both . Can you tell me if the exhaust manifold is the same in both every time i type in navi full exhaust , the grom exhaust pops out too
Watch for dealer price hikes.
A local dealer near me wants to charge a $750 destination charge. So yes, beware.
@@Snowburnt the dealer near me has a 300% mark up. I will not be shopping there again. Closest competitors 3 hours. Time for a ride.
@@TheCabult That's a lot. The ride would be worth it.
Am getting the Navi, because I don't wish to drive my car out to nearby store to get stuff. Need to find parking lots and all that. Waste patrol more with car. Navi fits so well and serve the purpose to go shortcut to nearby store. By car, I would have to do a big turn, over traffic lights to get there.
How is night riding on the grom and Navi? Head light wise
I bought a navi, I love it but I'm buying a firmer shock. The stock shock is a back breaker.😅
Awesome to see sometime in my state also interested in these bikes! I just put my deposit down for a brand new Navi. Is the Navi considered a scooter or a motorcycle in our state? License wise
Thanks for watching! You’ll need to get a motorcycle license for it because it’s over 49cc 👍
@@ModdedProjectsGarage thanks! Sounds good! 👍🏼 do they let you do the permit and the driving portion of the test in the same day? I’ve been riding dirt bikes and street bikes for 15 years or so, but always just got a permit in the summer since I’ve always lived out of town 😂 I’d like to get the license now though since I plan to start having a passenger with me sometimes
Yeah I’m pretty sure you can do the test right away
Where did you buy your Navi cuz here in Los Angeles I can’t find one less than 3000 dollars.
I live in North Dakota 😂 the dealership I went to was great! no mark ups on anything and even gave me discounts 👍
@@ModdedProjectsGarage wow you’re lucky you got a great deal.
@@Darklord-mq6ex yeah I’ve seen a lot of dealerships have been price gouging people.
Yea up here in northern Cali(north of Sac) I’m looking 3400-3500 out the door
$800 dealer mark up 🙄
@@donjulio3895 crazy! Pure greed!
My whife digs the cbd too
I get 55mpg on navi
im sorry do you mind me asking what city or at least what state you live in? that just seems to me like such a nice community/neighborhood to raise a family and i just got married...
The Navi is a scooter with a motorcycle makeover. If you remove the fairings, it's literally a scooter body underneath.
👍👍
Is that good or bad? I mean it has the advantages of both motorcycle & scooter or only disadvantages?
@@ellaandrioaie5731 it really doesn’t matter. It is what it is. It’s a good bike for city driving 👍
@soyboi2819 You re obviously justifying paying a couple grand more for a bike that only has 15 extra cc's of displacement and zero storage LOL
what a great vid. Thanks!
What mods will you do. How hard would it be to make a trike
I’m looking at making an adventure style bike with the navi. I have a decent amount of ideas for that. I have a yoshimura exhaust coming for the Grom and that’s about it for right now except for a wrap for a small portion of it. Not sure on the trike, but that sounds interesting!
How are the shocks for the back on a Grom??
Dang I was really into the price of the Navi until I heard about it being a cvt instead of like the grom I was really hoping it was just a more basic and cost effective slower grom
Um did you not pay attention? It IS slower than the Grom. And you want something more basic than the Grom? You CAN'T get any more basic than the Grom LOL
The Navi is a scooter, with plastic where you would normally place your 6 pack on the way home from the grocery store
Don't underestimate it
@@tonyelgoblin8658 been 7 months but I think it’s alright. I still don’t love it, but it definitely has a place.
@@Spuki2kA six pack? You can EASILY fit 20 cans in the lower storage. I can't believe you had no idea there was storage underneath LOL
@@jayryan7473 damn I had no idea it fit that much. From memory it was much smaller. But why do you drink beer from can?
Can you make the Navi faster by upgrading engine?
I haven’t done any engine mods to the navi yet. I can’t say first hand, but I think it would be pretty minimal. If you need more speed you need a bigger bike unfortunately.
I've done intake and rejet, as well as lighter CVT rollers on my Navi, and I still top out at 50-52. I'm a bit bigger guy at 230 lbs, though. I will say, it gets up to that speed much faster than it did stock.
@@vorexischange the contra spring and clutch springs as well, and remive necessary weight on bike. Also, cdi can help as well
***update*** (12/27/22):
I never bought the navi even though it’s the first bike I saw that inspired me to learn and go to mss. Learned and passed on a grom. Love the grom/considering one. Not a fan of shifting/stalling but then again my rider experience is only two days and 45 minutes, so of course I need to practice.
narrowed down to 10 bikes on my list. 8 of which are manual, 1 electric and then navi. No Chinese junk makes.
The manual ones on my list are able to have a rekluse clutch fitted to it which will make stalling no longer an issue. I will still have to shift with my foot but that’s not a problem. Plus I can still use the clutch if I want to as it is still recommended. A rekluse will not make it automatic but it will eliminate stalling coming to/taking off from a stop.
The prices people are asking for a navi otd/used are ridiculous when I can get a decent used 2018-2020 Grom for the same price. I honestly can’t justify spending any more than $1500 on a navi. There’s too much crap you’re gonna have to do to it in order to make it up to decent specs and that’s dumping at least another two grand into it.
So I’m def still browsing. I’m shopping under 650cc pref. My most powerful bike on my list is the Vulcan S, weakest is navi.
Stalling is normal when you're first learning. That's why it takes practice. If you like the Grom more in pretty much every regard, you should go for the Grom and learn. You'll probably want to learn shifting either way if you're serious about motorcycling.
You cannot swap the brakes without serious skills or monetary investment on a Navi. Frankly, you'd spend more on the Navi swapping out things and modding it than you would buying a Grom outright.
Coming from someone who was in the same boat (bought a Navi after the course), I can wholly recommend just getting the Grom instead.
@@joemommaganja some ppl are fkn busy like w/ school finals and work. And I did respond. My school ended 12/21. Sorry I’m not on the Internet every second of the day like you might be. some people do have lives. I guess I’ll note down that you need immediate answers in the future
@@mintyhobo2348 deleted my old reply and updated my original post. Less of a book now so I guess Joe mills should approve lol
@@lostintheclouds8719 Oh man.. don't even worry about stalling. Honestly, you may do it a few times accidentally, but you'll get the hang of it in no time. Consider how much progress you made from zero knowledge to being able to ride a motorcycle in just the course.
It's a bit silly to buy a Grom, then not ride it until you get a semi-auto clutch upgrade. Unless you're mechanically inclined, you'll also have to pay and wait for an install too. Not worth it.
Just ride it around the neighbourhood a bit, you'll get the hang of a clutch in no time. Trust me.
If you're so dead set on a semi-auto bike, maybe look into the Trail or Supercub if you're in the States. But honestly, learn the clutch. Better to learn how sooner, rather than instilling bad habits now and making it harder to learn in the future.
@@joemommaganja can you even read? You missed my reply. I did reply. Get your eyes checked.
I think the #Grom looks cooler 😎 a little more retro! But I do like being able to hop on th #navi and just ride! Maybe a cool wrap for it?! 😏🧐
So has anyone gotten pulled over on anyone lol and also do you have to smog it like a car lol or what fee you pay in the dmv
You're one of several channels to point out how Honda GROSSLY overestimated the Navi's MPG. Nobody is coming up with 110MPG.
You can certainly get 110 miles per gallon. Research hypermiling.
How does the navi take hills?
It does hills fine! Because of the CVT, the acceleration is basically the same regardless of whether it's on flat ground or up a hill.
Cool car in video
Thanks! That’s my 65 Lincoln continental!
Navi needs a rd350 engine
Grom is more fun navi is more enjoyable
“Costed?”
😂 wasn’t my best moment apparently
Dude you’re wrong you’re not getting 140 miles to the gallon on a Grom
As experienced rider, I say;- Buy a Grom and stick with him. When gas is going to 15 dollars per gallon, you will be still moving. Just stick with Grom, till rest of your life.
I really love the Grom, but the navi for the price is a really good deal!
Your voice somehow didn't match your look.
😂😂
Ugliest speedometer ever on Navi
At least it has one 😅😂
@@ModdedProjectsGarage 😅yess
I wonder if that can be swapped out to an LED one
2200 out the door I call bullshit
Damn, I’m going to lose sleep over this comment. I paid 2230 out the door. Trust me, I was there
Yeah here In Az the price at ridenow is 1800 for the Navi before taxes and fees
I have a Navi I want to upgrade the headlight I think it looks silly it's bigger bike than grom but has tiny headlight assembly I'm thinking to just mount the 2nd gen from headlight already upgraded the shitty seat