It’s so funny to me how these people complain about things that are “not natural” but have tattoos, lip fillers, wear makeup, use SPF, etc etc. Cherry pick much??
If you convince yourself to be vegan for nonsense reasons, you are also going to convince yourself to stop being vegan for nonsense reasons. Magical thinking is fickle, which is a good reason to listen to your channel, and get rational justifications to back up the ethics that will help you to become or stay vegan.
@biochemica2 in general, in a society where people are lazier than they were say, 30 years ago, or 60 years ago, it would be harder to get the majority to do anything that requires more effort than the alternative, whether it's being physically fit/not overweight, doing less online and more physically or in-person, spending more time with children (their children) and less time away from them, or adopting a more plant-based diet that requires using raw, natural products that need to be cooked, which requires patience and technique. It's not about intelligence, it's about effort. It requires more effort to cook beans than to eat a couple slices of bread, so bread will always be more popular. If bread were not plant-based, that would automatically mean that more people would be choosing the non-plant-based option. Getting people to give up bread in favour of beans would have very, very little chance of success. As it happens, that battle doesn't need to be fought but it's not because bread is vegan. It's because it's easy.
Why do you use animal products needlessly for sensory pleasure while only pretending to be against it? If it's okay for you, it's okay for Sophia right?
Just finished a binge session of "How to with John Wilson" and the reason the reason I'm able to binge it is because so many lines from the people he talks to or himself I'd classify as "Harsh truths that are hysterical when spoken aloud." Swayze would fit in perfectly.
My father is a bee keeper, he does it not for profit, the process of making honey is something I've known since childhood, sometimes you need to take the honey away to prepare the hives for the winter, you have to keep it in case they need more after they finish what they're already stored in the center of the hives, but the exces you can eat, although I don't do it it's not unethical, the same way propolis is not unethical, it's just surplus wax you need to clean from the hives so the bees could move freely, they do nothing with it and it's a good anti-bacterial,it smells nice and it's a shame to throw away. You can practice bee keeping ethically, in fact please do it, if free honey makes you wanna start bee keeping, please do it, I don't know how it is in the US but in Europe bees are dying.
Honey bees aren’t dying, all the other bees are because of the overpopulation of invasive honey bees. That’s my problem with honey farming. It creates problems for the environment, not fixed then
I recently saw the French dosumentary "Tomorrow" (Demain) from 2015 for the first time, and in that film they talk about how small gardens and farms produce relatively way more food that industrialized big monoculture farms ever could...and that if more people were to become gardeners and farmers and society could support such a trend, a lot of the problems with agriculture that we see today could be avoided. I havent done further research into that yet, but it sounds plausible, speaking from years of gardening experience myself... Would be curious to hear your take on that. Another thing I would love to hear your take on is a recent claim of (German) doctors that mock meat products, being so highly processed, are actually very dangerous for health. (I have been vegan for almost 10 years and at first focussed on whole foods and super foods, then my partner also decided to go vegan a couple of years ago and due to his prefrences we started eating a lot of mock meat and cheese, until 3-4 months ago this warning was all over German media. We have since shifted back to eating more whole foods but finding it sometimes hard to get enough protein from just beans and lentils)
I liked this video but that was my immediate thought. When sophia implies using less industrial farming she means all of us having our own farms split between families and sharing that food. There would still be surplus, depending on how many people in each house/for each farm. I thought it was quite obvious what she meant in that regard. At my old high school we had our own farm (not on school property) and we got fresh food for breakfast, brunch, lunch, and supper. I live in California and it was a rich ass school but still, it's very possible.
The hen farm is ethical but still, there is something we forget to consider. They must purchase the hens from somewhere and I can tell you the breeders will not keep the roosters because they benefit only from selling hens. A large proportion of the males must be killed from the moment they are born because they do not lay eggs. So it's a bit of a tricky situation.
01:11 - Well what it means is just she is basically *sick* of caring about Animals and so, she simply decided to put *Her Mighty Self* first - and the Entire Rest of the World second (or last). Everything else is just lots of crap.
Lmao, she sounds like artists doing art speak 😂 lots of pseudo intellectual talk. As a spiritual person, I do get sone of the things she is saying, but it's all coached in such flowery language, she could've said it all a lot more condensed.
Yeah I agree, really weird that Swayze would say that. The studies done on lobsters (primarily to determine whether boiling them alive is 'humane') seems to agree that they are sentient enough that murdering them via such a method causes them immense suffering. "The UK government has declared that lobsters, crabs, octopuses and related species will be included under the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill". This happened like two years ago, sounds like there's enough evidence for crabs and lobsters to be sentient if they are being included in animal welfare legislation.
Yeah, I was really taken aback by UV saying that lobsters are completely non-sentient. And the only reason she doesn't eat them is because they're "gross?" Seriously? (There's a UA-camr, Brady Brandwood, who's been caring for a former grocery store lobster for a couple years now. You see this creature who started out very weak and scared develop this distinct personality. Not to mention, he uses defense mechanisms that clearly demonstrate he does not want to be harmed.)
I’m so exhausted by coming to every issue from a place of emotional ‘truth’. If that’s the way issues are framed and discussed there will never be any agreement because people’s emotions about things will never align. And because it’s about the individual feelings there’s no way to encompass what’s best for the whole. Utterly exhausting…
5:40 even assuming the hens are treated correctly, “sharing the bounty of stewardship” still leave half of the chickens out of the equation. Unless they have a way to determine the sex of an egg before the embryo became conscious.
The illogical arguments are the worst part. If only they would say that the convenience of buying animal products is more important to them than adhering to their morals with every purchase and stop the video there, but no, let's keep going and debunk a strawman version of veganism with nonsensical arguments.😑
I don't think I'm going to watch any more of them, good thumbnail or not. I feel like it just feeds into giving non vegans more ammunition for how "craz'y" vegans are. We're just helping to promote another. "I'm not vegans anymore." I don't want to promote them or focus on them.
The main issue with backyard hen includes: 1. Where does this chicken come from? rescued? or brought from chicken farm? The later option still benefits the chicken farm (and where would the male chicks go?) 2. Hens are bred to massively produce eggs every day, where wild hens could only produce 12-15 eggs per year. It's very taxing on the hen's health that lays eggs every day It's a grey area in terms of ethics
What is the answer to backyard eggs for vegans. I'm trying to be vegan. I know chickens often eat their eggs for nutrients but they produce so many and some are left over. Is it wrong to eat those eggs? I wouldn't but it seems like a loophole.
@@patrickbateman1660 If eggs are left on the ground to rot, I don’t see an issue of eating them. Again, hens are bred in such way that they produce eggs every day which is taxing on their bodies. If you want your hen to not be so exhausted from laying eggs, you should give them implant to limit their egg production. There’re also plant based eggs like just eggs If we’re looking by strict definition from vegan society, eating eggs is not vegan. But you can be ethical by eating eggs from backyard hens
@@patrickbateman1660unless you’re taking care of a chicken that you got for free, the ethics are pretty simple. Don’t eat the eggs. Any animal or animal product that you consume that were payed for have the possibility for animal exploitation. Therefore it wouldn’t and shouldn’t be considered vegan.
rearing chickens is not a grey area with ethics. Chicken are for egg laying and meat. capitalism or not caring for sentient beings is a non argument. They are an human invention. Also the vegan diet causes crops deaths, pollution, and dead zones. Corn and soy mono crops should be banned
Its ALWAYS wrong to eat eggs. Even if the chickens are not killed, eating their eggs still normalises eating animal products and re-inforces the idea that eggs are food for humans. Just be vegan.
In my opinion, the people stop being vegan because its hard to be a minority in a meat, dairy eating world. I feel thats the main reason people look for excuses. Its fine not to be vegan, but I can’t stand influencers who made a fortune off veganism and attacked meat eaters and now you see them move away from veganism. At the end of the day people, do what you can and don’t let a label or influencers define you.
If you’ve ever had to care for backyard hens then you’d know this idealized picture Sophia is painting about “animal stewardship and sharing that bounty” is a huge crock of sh*t Even under the most ideal conditions hens that lay inherently suffer. The modern day layer has been bred to produce way too many eggs. Along with this comes a slew of health issues. If you’re lucky you might not encounter medical emergencies but more likely you will. Choosing to rescue is wonderful but subsequently choosing to eat the very thing said chicken was exploited for in the first place is.. wild
It took our rescue hens 6 months of sunlight and love to mould and finally look healthy again, their bodies were SO weak after 1,5 years of cages... and they never stopped laying. Its really not ethical overall.
I had backyard hens. They were free range during the day and started to "lay out" and lay their eggs under bushes and random places on the property. By the time i would find the eggs, they had to be thrown away because I didn't know how old they were. To get eggs in any quantity, I would have had to confine them during the day so they had to use the laying boxes in the coop. I decided to let them have freedom and just take the few eggs that they did lay in their boxes . Even if you're not selling or bartering eggs, you can sometimes have to do things that arenot optimal for the animal's quality of life in order to get the "product."
idk what went wrong, but my parents have backyard hens as do my grandparents. And they all where/are free range with a lot of space and still all of them lay their eggs in the provided nests. We had one hen who ate the eggs she layed. but other then that...
Your response is 💯 have you done a video going into people’s criticisms of mock meats and being “unhealthy,” “processed” etc? Like worse than meat? I would love to hear your insight
Any processed food is somewhat unhealthy. I'm vegan and every once in a while I eat a beyond burger or have some violife cheese on a vegan grilled cheese. It's delicious for every once in a while and it's certainly much better than eating actual dairy or real meat. I'll take a beyond burger over a cows corpse any damn day of the week!!
I align with your opinion on a lot of these topics 😂 But for real, you have definitely been helping me work my way towards my vegan journey. I am one of those people that truly connects it to and loves all animals and it’s becoming harder and harder for me to keep the wall up in my mind between eating them at times but still caring for them as much as I do. I feel like one day you just make the plunge and go for it and I am definitely getting closer and closer by the day. Thank you for your help with that. And the witty commentary along the way.
Yeah. I’m not super worried and I think she’s still doing better than 90% of the population if all she’s done is start eating more ethically farmed eggs and wearing second hand leather. HOWEVER, the faulty reasoning, seed oils pseudoscience, and woowoo worry me. Bad reasoning is a shaky foundation to build even the most ethical lifestyle on. What if she gets woo-wooed into drinking milk again? Or worse, eating the carnivore diet?
I've recently discovered that sarah lemkus also stopped being vegan a while ago. So basically everyone i used to watch years ago promoting veganism is no longer vegan except you who back then some of them would consider you "too lenient" towards the meat eaters! I don't understand how so many people were so horrified by what the animals are going through and years later they just don't care suddenly.
If you said that to them back then they would think you were insane. They were like a cult it was the most important thing to them and now were are these people?
When I first went vegan (over 7 years ago) I was OBSESSED with the diet/lifestyle and, as a result, myself. I over thought every meal, every nutrient, every counterargument. I wanted to ensure that *I* would be vegan forever and that I could make *everyone* around me securely vegan forever. The "I'm no longer vegan" stories felt like personal insults. Then I got the heck off social media and started enjoying my life. Now I can safely say I'm happy and healthy AF being vegan, and I dont stress about my health or other peoples' choices. I think Swayze is right that these "my journey" content creators become so self-centered that they agonize about these things and every little "symptom" or inkling they think they have. Of note: the more science based content creators (as opposed to the "my journey"ers) seem to remain vegan. I love Unnatural Vegan, Plant Chompers, Nutrition Made Simple, and Mic the Vegan!
I think what she’s saying is that vegans should be more concerned with actual issues and not things like making earrings from feathers off the ground, or eating an infertile egg that was laid naturally by a backyard hen, or thrifting a piece of leather, I can see why people are against the leather though because it glamorizes the look/and she’s talking about the quality over vegan leather etc, but I mean this person probably is living a very ethical life, probably more than some that would be so upset about the egg
@@matiasmartinez720walking burns fewer calories than cycling for the same amount of time, but cycling burns fewer calories than walking for the same distance. Biking definitely is more efficient, humans invented the wheel to use less energy for the same tasks.
@steviee.4918 Just seems like every week there's another "I'm not vegan anymore" video that she covers. That gives them a lot more attention than I personally feel they need. I'd rather see new youtubers/influencers who ARE vegan. Just my opinion.
I finally had the time to watch the hour long video yesterday and I'm glad you made this video. I commented saying I find it extremely difficult to believe any business would have the animals' best interest in mind when they need sales to survive. But the biggest question I have is how often is she consuming these animal byproducts now that the vegan alternatives are that unhealthy? Unless she's consuming it daily (doubtful and would be unhealthy as eggs are very high in cholesterol), then consumung the vegan alternatives on an infrequent basis is perfectly healthy.
This is a little off topic, but I will never give up on bringing you to the dark side! (i'm joking about the "dark side"). You said in the video that as soon as money is exchanged with backyard hens, the hens are turned into a commodity and are exploited. You can say the same with humans, where any job turns your labor into a commodity and you are being exploited, and by the definition of capitalism, the laborer must be underpaid and exploited so the owner can make a profit. Yet you seem to not connect the two in your past video on capitalism :(
man... I hope one day I can have as clear and fully formed a sense of myself, my values and my opinions as you do. I feel like I just sort of amoeba through life without much clarity on... much...and when I happen upon something that actually seems like a good or helpful thing to do (for ANYONE) I'm thrilled, because most of the time every single issue seems way too complicated to know what kind of influence from me would be helpful or be hurtful. You seem pretty much resolved and clear about how to be a good person who you yourself are proud of and honestly, I bet that's where a lot of your viewership comes from. It's nice to listen to a person who sounds like they know the answers. Or , I don't know. Maybe that's just me. Anyway, way to go.
I think even Swayze mentioned in one of her summaries of good vegan news that lobsters were listed as sentient in the USA. They do feel pain and people who insist on killing them for food should not drop them alive into boiling water.
@@patrickbateman1660 sentient is yes or no, not a scale really. Intelligence like you said is another thing. And I believe you can't judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree. They're not intelligent in the way humans are but I'm sure in their purest form they were once the best at whatever nature made them for. I don't know the evolution of chickens specifically how they were genetically modified :P but I know they used to be able to fly so clearly this isnt their job in our world. How's that for natural.
Disagree with the egg discussion. Even if you’re just eating backyard eggs, you were still viewing the animals as a commodity as a means to the end, as someone that can give you something, which vegans are against
This is her way to justify to herself that her eating non-vegan is ok. And obviously her husband wasn’t vegan & I’m sure that had something to do with it also. I’ve been vegan for 17 years no mental or health issues. I’ve heard so “many” people get on UA-cam & their reasons for not being vegan anymore 🙄 .......
I hate the argument “I’ve been vegan for x many years and I’ve had no issues” as if it’s a universally applicable statement. That’s good you’ve had no issues. Not everyone has no issues.
Thank god for you. While i appreciate poetry, i cant stand it when people try to sound like this. It's probably pretty easy for "artist types" (me) to get sucked in when someone spins around and calls the earth a breathing being. The stark contrast you bring asking what all of the flowery words even mean really brings things back to the ground. I'm always impressed with your perspective and ability to deal with things rationally. ❤
My read is she wanted to preserve her sense of moral righteousness. Instead of admitting she's making a less ethical choice out of self-interest, she needs to find a way to make her choice the most enlightened path.
Just to clarify, I think research has concluded that PFAS do indeed passes through into our blood stream. What this exactly means for our health we do not yet know, though!
I agree with her that buying garbage polyester shoes is ridiculous and is in fact anti vegan. Buying old leather shoes that decompose in the ground after you die is much better if the spirit of veganism is minimizing environmental/animal harm
You think lobsters aren’t sentient?? What?! Have you not seen the UA-cam videos of that guy who bought a live lobster from the store and then raised him as a pet? He has a very obvious personality and tastes/ distaste. He responds to the guy. How can that lobster not be sentient?
You did a good analysis of the video. I still consider her to be vegan... ish! If every person does their best to try to avoid animal products then more animals will live. I respect your words on why your vegan.. Animals at the forefront 🙏
At the end you kinda make it seem like going vegan out of love for animals and feeling connected to them and not wanting them to suffer is somehow inferior to your "ethical" or "moral" reasons. Is that really how you mean it?
I'm just glad she's not going back to eating meat like most of the vegans on you tube. It's nice to know she's still being conscious of what she's eating.
Speaking as someone who *loves* the 'how it's made' videos for things that get mixed in massive things and then sent along a conveyor belt with different parts of the process happening, I'd really enjoy watching that as I ate whatever mock meat it was. That would be really cool, I'd have a great time.
Great video. Honestly I get kind of annoyed when people are like “animals aren’t the only thing worth fighting for” and try to make vegans feel bad about not driving an electric car, buying all organic or whatever. Veganism is about reducing the suffering of animals. ALL the vegans I know are also very informed about other types of suffering like child labor, unfair workers’ pay and buying used products to minimize their effect on other types of suffering. STILL. That’s just because they are trying to be good people both through practicing vegan morals and other morals as well. It doesn’t really have anything to do with veganism and should. If veganism is about not only eating solely plant based but also about only buying used stuff, never traveling or buying chocolate it just because way to hard being vegan. Nobody is perfect but we should all try to be better.
Yeah the people that say that shit are complete knobs. We are very capabLe of being concerned about many different aspects of life. This same thing happens in politics. People say "we need to secure our borders" before we help Ukraine. No, we can do both.
She is going to look back at her video in 10 years and roll her eyes all the way back and delete every trace of it from the internet to the best of her ability. 😂😂😂
She sounds like someone on that old reality TV show "real world" telling someone else about their spirituality in an attempt to sound deep. So cringe lol.
Hello? Laying eggs is still very exhausting for the hens and can lead to health issues. The kindest thing is feeding the eggs back to them, not EATING THEM OURSELVES.
I honestly don't care if she wants to eat eggs and honey or if she wants to buy used leather. She still is primarily vegan and that's less animals that are exploited so I'm happy, personally. I just wish she didn't make a huge debacle of it. It gave anti-vegans more ammo. It comes off like she did it for attention.
My issue with the backyard hens is that it is so rare that one acquired hens without purchasing them and then also gave them a free life, allowing them to coexist with roosters. We basically make a tiny nunnery for our own gain. If it isn't hyper controlled, contorted, and we just allow the chickens to do what they want, then we won't really get unfertilized eggs often at all. And we have to feed those chickens, often seeds, which means we could just buy seeds for ourselves instead of investing in a personal chicken factory. Basically, you need to get a couple rescue chickens for free with no rooster at all, and they have plenty of space to live freely, and if they like eating their own eggs then they get to. In these highly specific occasions, same with like a random gifted goat, or rescue cow, one can have animal products without harm....or one can just buy a damn broccoli and not keep plugging the message to the world that it is alright to have animal products, because the more people try to replicate the "local backyard" reality, the more that gets ever corrupted, and turns into something not good.
Bless you for watching that mess. The thing that amazes me as that she apparently has over 300K subscribers. Why? It has to be the thinness and the big eyes, because it's not her brain.
This reminds me of my step sister. After I told her why I’m vegan she said “ I understand how you believe that”. She said before how she was “vegetarian” and now is not even plant based. And she calls herself an “environmentalist” yet was so nice to my cat. How about being nice to ALL animals?🙄🙄🙄
I had a friend who spoke so much like this woman. Nuggets of some wisdom, but at the end of it, she’s just trying to justify making a different decision for herself. There’s probably a very simple reason that doesn’t require an hour long video, and would be much less odd.
Look, if me eating mock "chicken" vegan "bacon" and plant based "beef" can help save just ONE animal, you bet your ASS I'm gonna keep eating them over slaughtering an animal any day
she looks like she got lip fillers though, i don't know for sure. does that align with mother nature
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"We" (i. e., the world human population) need that “quite destructive” industrial agriculture particularly when 77% of all the agricultural land is used as pastures for grazing or to grow crops for farm animal feed. Add to that all the land "trapped" under roads, stroads, detached houses, lawns, parking lots, etc.
The problem with the destructive agri practices is that it is not something we can keep doing indefinetely. It is not just a problem of the amount of land, because even if there is enough land, at this moment in time the only way to make a lot of that land productive for the lowest price is by using fossil fuels to make fertilizers. Veganism is definitely better because it uses less of those resources, but it is not a real solution from a sustainability perspective (ofc it is a solution for ethical issues!). The reason that those lands are unproductive without those fertilizers is because our farming practices degrade our soils. See the problem? Fossil fuels will be increasingly difficult to extract and therefore more expensive. This will definitely be a huge problem for food production in the future. We need to step towards less destructive farming and less people in the long term if we want that all people are fed in a sustainable way. I think as vegans it is important to be mindfull of these issues that veganism alone can't fix.
My soul cannot dance to this (also, I meant walk instead of DRIVE, not walk instead of bike lol)
I think you had to be on the journey to really understand
This is debilitatingly funny 😭😭 Solid video, but this comment is the MVP
"Fuck alignment" could be your next tshirt design.
I'm not capable of filling the cracks with myself. Too many cracks :(
@@fleabitz1474Damn you beat me to it😂
It’s so funny to me how these people complain about things that are “not natural” but have tattoos, lip fillers, wear makeup, use SPF, etc etc. Cherry pick much??
Appeal to nature fallacy - an fallacious argument that only natural things and good and unnatural things are bad
i am wondering to what extent they consider something natural and unnatural. how would they define that notion?
If you convince yourself to be vegan for nonsense reasons, you are also going to convince yourself to stop being vegan for nonsense reasons. Magical thinking is fickle, which is a good reason to listen to your channel, and get rational justifications to back up the ethics that will help you to become or stay vegan.
@biochemica2 in general, in a society where people are lazier than they were say, 30 years ago, or 60 years ago, it would be harder to get the majority to do anything that requires more effort than the alternative, whether it's being physically fit/not overweight, doing less online and more physically or in-person, spending more time with children (their children) and less time away from them, or adopting a more plant-based diet that requires using raw, natural products that need to be cooked, which requires patience and technique. It's not about intelligence, it's about effort. It requires more effort to cook beans than to eat a couple slices of bread, so bread will always be more popular. If bread were not plant-based, that would automatically mean that more people would be choosing the non-plant-based option. Getting people to give up bread in favour of beans would have very, very little chance of success. As it happens, that battle doesn't need to be fought but it's not because bread is vegan. It's because it's easy.
She definitely exhibits magical thinking 😂
Why do you use animal products needlessly for sensory pleasure while only pretending to be against it?
If it's okay for you, it's okay for Sophia right?
@@SteversChed who are you talking to?
Your takes on "spiritual" former vegans are always top notch.
:o you here? Cool!
18:45 "my feelings would lead me to eat whatever I want, play video games, never go outside again" I FELT THAT STRONGLY.
Just finished a binge session of "How to with John Wilson" and the reason the reason I'm able to binge it is because so many lines from the people he talks to or himself I'd classify as "Harsh truths that are hysterical when spoken aloud." Swayze would fit in perfectly.
My soul often feels content to dance between chips and chocolate. But my tummy is dancing in a different way when I only eat that 🤣
My father is a bee keeper, he does it not for profit, the process of making honey is something I've known since childhood, sometimes you need to take the honey away to prepare the hives for the winter, you have to keep it in case they need more after they finish what they're already stored in the center of the hives, but the exces you can eat, although I don't do it it's not unethical, the same way propolis is not unethical, it's just surplus wax you need to clean from the hives so the bees could move freely, they do nothing with it and it's a good anti-bacterial,it smells nice and it's a shame to throw away. You can practice bee keeping ethically, in fact please do it, if free honey makes you wanna start bee keeping, please do it, I don't know how it is in the US but in Europe bees are dying.
Stealing THEIR honey is ethical? When we don’t need it?
Honey bees aren’t dying, all the other bees are because of the overpopulation of invasive honey bees. That’s my problem with honey farming. It creates problems for the environment, not fixed then
“Dead looking ingredients” got me 😂
thank YOU for sparing me the pain of having to listen to that woman talk the way she does for an entire hour and a half
the clips alone are so full of buzzword nonsense.
that woman? you cant even say her name ...
But did she mention her "journey" tho
I don't remember but she did mention ants journeying up a tree or something like that in her original video.
I recently saw the French dosumentary "Tomorrow" (Demain) from 2015 for the first time, and in that film they talk about how small gardens and farms produce relatively way more food that industrialized big monoculture farms ever could...and that if more people were to become gardeners and farmers and society could support such a trend, a lot of the problems with agriculture that we see today could be avoided. I havent done further research into that yet, but it sounds plausible, speaking from years of gardening experience myself... Would be curious to hear your take on that.
Another thing I would love to hear your take on is a recent claim of (German) doctors that mock meat products, being so highly processed, are actually very dangerous for health. (I have been vegan for almost 10 years and at first focussed on whole foods and super foods, then my partner also decided to go vegan a couple of years ago and due to his prefrences we started eating a lot of mock meat and cheese, until 3-4 months ago this warning was all over German media. We have since shifted back to eating more whole foods but finding it sometimes hard to get enough protein from just beans and lentils)
I liked this video but that was my immediate thought. When sophia implies using less industrial farming she means all of us having our own farms split between families and sharing that food. There would still be surplus, depending on how many people in each house/for each farm. I thought it was quite obvious what she meant in that regard. At my old high school we had our own farm (not on school property) and we got fresh food for breakfast, brunch, lunch, and supper. I live in California and it was a rich ass school but still, it's very possible.
You think lobsters aren’t sentient? What are you basing that nonsensical idea on?
The hen farm is ethical but still, there is something we forget to consider. They must purchase the hens from somewhere and I can tell you the breeders will not keep the roosters because they benefit only from selling hens. A large proportion of the males must be killed from the moment they are born because they do not lay eggs. So it's a bit of a tricky situation.
NGL, this is maybe the best reaction to this. Totally disagree with backyard hens and all that though.
Why do you disagree? I genuinely want to know because I struggle with this issue.
thanks for this one - Sophia Esperanza should watch this but I guess she would not get the point.
Live and let live.
Knew this vid was coming
So, canola oil isn’t toxic, right? 💀
Did she say velosophy?
It's a woo blanket to cover up her shame. We're all guilty of doing it in some part of our lives
I've never heard of her. I must not be in alignment. 🤣
Good video, you’re also really funny! ❤
01:11 - Well what it means is just she is basically *sick* of caring about Animals and so, she simply decided to put *Her Mighty Self* first - and the Entire Rest of the World second (or last).
Everything else is just lots of crap.
Ugh yeah. Journey 🤮
Vibe ain’t right 😂
Lmao, she sounds like artists doing art speak 😂 lots of pseudo intellectual talk.
As a spiritual person, I do get sone of the things she is saying, but it's all coached in such flowery language, she could've said it all a lot more condensed.
It sounded like a chatGPT script wordsalad ego talk of 1 hour. 🤷
lmfao
Actually lobsters and other crustaceans are sentient and boiling them alive is cruel
Yeah I agree, really weird that Swayze would say that. The studies done on lobsters (primarily to determine whether boiling them alive is 'humane') seems to agree that they are sentient enough that murdering them via such a method causes them immense suffering.
"The UK government has declared that lobsters, crabs, octopuses and related species will be included under the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill". This happened like two years ago, sounds like there's enough evidence for crabs and lobsters to be sentient if they are being included in animal welfare legislation.
Isn't it illegal in some countries to actually boil them alive?
@@patrickbateman1660 I think so but not in the US
Yeah, I was really taken aback by UV saying that lobsters are completely non-sentient. And the only reason she doesn't eat them is because they're "gross?" Seriously? (There's a UA-camr, Brady Brandwood, who's been caring for a former grocery store lobster for a couple years now. You see this creature who started out very weak and scared develop this distinct personality. Not to mention, he uses defense mechanisms that clearly demonstrate he does not want to be harmed.)
her vid was so dramatic I had second hand embarrassment the whole time.
I think melodramatic is the more accurate word.
"there are your headlines" (me looking around my empty livingroom for the nyt journalists)
She’s maybe half a bottle of wine away from rationalizing a bbq because she spirit-felt the animals wanted to gift themselves to her.
😂😂😂😂
That merits one massive eyeroll from me. I applaud you for watching that verbal vomit of a video for that long.
Also, she must be terrified of the dead looking beet juice in her vitamix
@@MdoubleHBxx.bro what
I’m so exhausted by coming to every issue from a place of emotional ‘truth’. If that’s the way issues are framed and discussed there will never be any agreement because people’s emotions about things will never align. And because it’s about the individual feelings there’s no way to encompass what’s best for the whole. Utterly exhausting…
Uh...peoples's emotions and feelings regularly do not align. We have wars.
And so what you think is best for the whole is best. OK
Damn, i wish i was pretty enough to just say whatever i want because of the vibes lol
Haha! Yes, exactly.
Jealous much 😂
Her chicken/conveyor belt comparison just made me incredibly angry.
It’s completely insane especially coming from someone whose actually been inside slaughterhouses and seen how horrific they are first hand…
5:40 even assuming the hens are treated correctly, “sharing the bounty of stewardship” still leave half of the chickens out of the equation. Unless they have a way to determine the sex of an egg before the embryo became conscious.
They actually do. This technology exists in Europe and will be used soon. But it doesn't change the fact the birds will be murdered brutally.
When I think I can’t watch another ex-vegan video, you get me with the thumbnails every time
The illogical arguments are the worst part.
If only they would say that the convenience of buying animal products is more important to them than adhering to their morals with every purchase and stop the video there, but no, let's keep going and debunk a strawman version of veganism with nonsensical arguments.😑
I don't think I'm going to watch any more of them, good thumbnail or not. I feel like it just feeds into giving non vegans more ammunition for how "craz'y" vegans are. We're just helping to promote another. "I'm not vegans anymore."
I don't want to promote them or focus on them.
So chickens can give consent by sending thoughts to you now? 🤔 Doesn't sound healthy, I don't want to eat a mindreading chickens egg.
It's a little too sentient for me ...
The main issue with backyard hen includes:
1. Where does this chicken come from? rescued? or brought from chicken farm? The later option still benefits the chicken farm (and where would the male chicks go?)
2. Hens are bred to massively produce eggs every day, where wild hens could only produce 12-15 eggs per year. It's very taxing on the hen's health that lays eggs every day
It's a grey area in terms of ethics
What is the answer to backyard eggs for vegans. I'm trying to be vegan. I know chickens often eat their eggs for nutrients but they produce so many and some are left over. Is it wrong to eat those eggs? I wouldn't but it seems like a loophole.
@@patrickbateman1660 If eggs are left on the ground to rot, I don’t see an issue of eating them. Again, hens are bred in such way that they produce eggs every day which is taxing on their bodies. If you want your hen to not be so exhausted from laying eggs, you should give them implant to limit their egg production. There’re also plant based eggs like just eggs
If we’re looking by strict definition from vegan society, eating eggs is not vegan. But you can be ethical by eating eggs from backyard hens
@@patrickbateman1660unless you’re taking care of a chicken that you got for free, the ethics are pretty simple. Don’t eat the eggs. Any animal or animal product that you consume that were payed for have the possibility for animal exploitation. Therefore it wouldn’t and shouldn’t be considered vegan.
rearing chickens is not a grey area with ethics. Chicken are for egg laying and meat. capitalism or not caring for sentient beings is a non argument. They are an human invention. Also the vegan diet causes crops deaths, pollution, and dead zones. Corn and soy mono crops should be banned
Its ALWAYS wrong to eat eggs. Even if the chickens are not killed, eating their eggs still normalises eating animal products and re-inforces the idea that eggs are food for humans. Just be vegan.
In my opinion, the people stop being vegan because its hard to be a minority in a meat, dairy eating world. I feel thats the main reason people look for excuses. Its fine not to be vegan, but I can’t stand influencers who made a fortune off veganism and attacked meat eaters and now you see them move away from veganism. At the end of the day people, do what you can and don’t let a label or influencers define you.
If you’ve ever had to care for backyard hens then you’d know this idealized picture Sophia is painting about “animal stewardship and sharing that bounty” is a huge crock of sh*t
Even under the most ideal conditions hens that lay inherently suffer. The modern day layer has been bred to produce way too many eggs. Along with this comes a slew of health issues. If you’re lucky you might not encounter medical emergencies but more likely you will. Choosing to rescue is wonderful but subsequently choosing to eat the very thing said chicken was exploited for in the first place is.. wild
It took our rescue hens 6 months of sunlight and love to mould and finally look healthy again, their bodies were SO weak after 1,5 years of cages... and they never stopped laying. Its really not ethical overall.
I had backyard hens. They were free range during the day and started to "lay out" and lay their eggs under bushes and random places on the property. By the time i would find the eggs, they had to be thrown away because I didn't know how old they were. To get eggs in any quantity, I would have had to confine them during the day so they had to use the laying boxes in the coop.
I decided to let them have freedom and just take the few eggs that they did lay in their boxes . Even if you're not selling or bartering eggs, you can sometimes have to do things that arenot optimal for the animal's quality of life in order to get the "product."
idk what went wrong, but my parents have backyard hens as do my grandparents. And they all where/are free range with a lot of space and still all of them lay their eggs in the provided nests. We had one hen who ate the eggs she layed. but other then that...
@@llleieathis was my experience too. The chickens had an acre to run around in but they loved to sit and lay in their boxes 😂
You can easily determine the egg freshness by putting it in the water.
I'm pretty sure if you don't know it you've never had chicken in reality
The promblem with eating eggs even when the chickens are not killed is that it normalises eating animal products.
did you ever have any issues with predators killing chickens? I won't free range for this reason.
Your response is 💯 have you done a video going into people’s criticisms of mock meats and being “unhealthy,” “processed” etc? Like worse than meat? I would love to hear your insight
Any processed food is somewhat unhealthy. I'm vegan and every once in a while I eat a beyond burger or have some violife cheese on a vegan grilled cheese. It's delicious for every once in a while and it's certainly much better than eating actual dairy or real meat. I'll take a beyond burger over a cows corpse any damn day of the week!!
It feels like spoken word poetry. Thanks for another great video💕
Don't you mean unspoken spoken word poetry 😂
(7:03)
another pseudo-spiritual woo-woo which aims to justify cruelty....
Alienising ‘hippies’ and free spirit people from a vegan diet and lifestyle is not the way to go either….
@@helenageerts2115 that's not what I said in my comment.
I align with your opinion on a lot of these topics 😂 But for real, you have definitely been helping me work my way towards my vegan journey. I am one of those people that truly connects it to and loves all animals and it’s becoming harder and harder for me to keep the wall up in my mind between eating them at times but still caring for them as much as I do. I feel like one day you just make the plunge and go for it and I am definitely getting closer and closer by the day. Thank you for your help with that. And the witty commentary along the way.
Sounds exactly like i was feeling before going vegan 7 years ago. You can do it!!
Yeah. I’m not super worried and I think she’s still doing better than 90% of the population if all she’s done is start eating more ethically farmed eggs and wearing second hand leather. HOWEVER, the faulty reasoning, seed oils pseudoscience, and woowoo worry me. Bad reasoning is a shaky foundation to build even the most ethical lifestyle on. What if she gets woo-wooed into drinking milk again? Or worse, eating the carnivore diet?
"Fuck alignment" is a great band name
And I'd buy their album loll. 😆
Lobster not sentient? I would need much more information.
They are sentient.
Alignment? In D&D we would say her "alignment" is chaotic evil, but anyway...
I think buying used leather is fine, but I personally cannot stand the smell...
My bf got faux leather shoes once and they sprayed it with artificial leather scent and it stunk up our home for daaaays. I hate leather smell too.
@@jillianthrill omg sounds awful 😰
@@jillianthrill😱
I've recently discovered that sarah lemkus also stopped being vegan a while ago. So basically everyone i used to watch years ago promoting veganism is no longer vegan except you who back then some of them would consider you "too lenient" towards the meat eaters! I don't understand how so many people were so horrified by what the animals are going through and years later they just don't care suddenly.
They were vegan because it was trendy at that time I swear
If you said that to them back then they would think you were insane. They were like a cult it was the most important thing to them and now were are these people?
When I first went vegan (over 7 years ago) I was OBSESSED with the diet/lifestyle and, as a result, myself. I over thought every meal, every nutrient, every counterargument. I wanted to ensure that *I* would be vegan forever and that I could make *everyone* around me securely vegan forever. The "I'm no longer vegan" stories felt like personal insults. Then I got the heck off social media and started enjoying my life. Now I can safely say I'm happy and healthy AF being vegan, and I dont stress about my health or other peoples' choices. I think Swayze is right that these "my journey" content creators become so self-centered that they agonize about these things and every little "symptom" or inkling they think they have.
Of note: the more science based content creators (as opposed to the "my journey"ers) seem to remain vegan. I love Unnatural Vegan, Plant Chompers, Nutrition Made Simple, and Mic the Vegan!
@@harbingerbk1 Yes i agree!
same with Maddie Lymburner..they just all went "vegan" to get views....very sad ...
I think what she’s saying is that vegans should be more concerned with actual issues and not things like making earrings from feathers off the ground, or eating an infertile egg that was laid naturally by a backyard hen, or thrifting a piece of leather, I can see why people are against the leather though because it glamorizes the look/and she’s talking about the quality over vegan leather etc, but I mean this person probably is living a very ethical life, probably more than some that would be so upset about the egg
Walk instead of bike?
Isn't biking more efficient? 😅
I'm guessing you meant drive :)
I agree with almost everything she says but when she dissed biking I almost unsubscribed! (Joking.)
@@matiasmartinez720walking burns fewer calories than cycling for the same amount of time, but cycling burns fewer calories than walking for the same distance.
Biking definitely is more efficient, humans invented the wheel to use less energy for the same tasks.
@@matiasmartinez720 I think it would take a lot less energy to cycle 10 miles than to walk 10 miles.
I'm pretty sure cycling is more efficient
Maybe a more positive idea would be introducing us to new influencers who ARE vegan.
Spead the love!
she does
@steviee.4918 Just seems like every week there's another "I'm not vegan anymore" video that she covers. That gives them a lot more attention than I personally feel they need. I'd rather see new youtubers/influencers who ARE vegan. Just my opinion.
I finally had the time to watch the hour long video yesterday and I'm glad you made this video. I commented saying I find it extremely difficult to believe any business would have the animals' best interest in mind when they need sales to survive. But the biggest question I have is how often is she consuming these animal byproducts now that the vegan alternatives are that unhealthy? Unless she's consuming it daily (doubtful and would be unhealthy as eggs are very high in cholesterol), then consumung the vegan alternatives on an infrequent basis is perfectly healthy.
Another one bites the dust Swayze. Strange, I thought your vegan diet was natural for the human being.
How does Sophia know Earth is a she? has she gone down to Antarctica to check what's under the snow?
earthussy
Haha! :)
Hahahahaha lol
I feel very aligned with your views and the way you express your truth 😊✌
This is a little off topic, but I will never give up on bringing you to the dark side! (i'm joking about the "dark side"). You said in the video that as soon as money is exchanged with backyard hens, the hens are turned into a commodity and are exploited. You can say the same with humans, where any job turns your labor into a commodity and you are being exploited, and by the definition of capitalism, the laborer must be underpaid and exploited so the owner can make a profit. Yet you seem to not connect the two in your past video on capitalism :(
man... I hope one day I can have as clear and fully formed a sense of myself, my values and my opinions as you do. I feel like I just sort of amoeba through life without much clarity on... much...and when I happen upon something that actually seems like a good or helpful thing to do (for ANYONE) I'm thrilled, because most of the time every single issue seems way too complicated to know what kind of influence from me would be helpful or be hurtful. You seem pretty much resolved and clear about how to be a good person who you yourself are proud of and honestly, I bet that's where a lot of your viewership comes from. It's nice to listen to a person who sounds like they know the answers. Or , I don't know. Maybe that's just me. Anyway, way to go.
You are starving your kids.
Lobsters, crabs and octopuses have been classified as sentient beings and granted certain protections in the UK.
I think even Swayze mentioned in one of her summaries of good vegan news that lobsters were listed as sentient in the USA. They do feel pain and people who insist on killing them for food should not drop them alive into boiling water.
Octopuses aren't the same as lobsters and crabs. They're way more sentient.
How does this work? I'm pretty sure chickens are sentient? Not crazy intelligent but is sentient, right?
@@patrickbateman1660 sentient is yes or no, not a scale really. Intelligence like you said is another thing. And I believe you can't judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree. They're not intelligent in the way humans are but I'm sure in their purest form they were once the best at whatever nature made them for. I don't know the evolution of chickens specifically how they were genetically modified :P but I know they used to be able to fly so clearly this isnt their job in our world.
How's that for natural.
“Fuck alignment.” Haha. Thank you.
9:23 what do you mean by walking instead of biking? What’s wrong with bikes?😅
Disagree with the egg discussion. Even if you’re just eating backyard eggs, you were still viewing the animals as a commodity as a means to the end, as someone that can give you something, which vegans are against
This is such an intelligent and accurate analysis!
Yes I would love to see how mock meats are made, much MORE than a slaughterhouse!
Am I the only one who would think it would be cool to watch a 'How it's Made' style video of mock meats?
This is her way to justify to herself that her eating non-vegan is ok. And obviously her husband wasn’t vegan & I’m sure that had something to do with it also. I’ve been vegan for 17 years no mental or health issues. I’ve heard so “many” people get on UA-cam & their reasons for not being vegan anymore 🙄 .......
I hate the argument “I’ve been vegan for x many years and I’ve had no issues” as if it’s a universally applicable statement. That’s good you’ve had no issues. Not everyone has no issues.
Another "the Universe told me to eat an egg".
Why are you saying lobsters are not sentient, they have central nervous system 😞
Thank god for you. While i appreciate poetry, i cant stand it when people try to sound like this. It's probably pretty easy for "artist types" (me) to get sucked in when someone spins around and calls the earth a breathing being. The stark contrast you bring asking what all of the flowery words even mean really brings things back to the ground. I'm always impressed with your perspective and ability to deal with things rationally. ❤
My read is she wanted to preserve her sense of moral righteousness. Instead of admitting she's making a less ethical choice out of self-interest, she needs to find a way to make her choice the most enlightened path.
I’m vegan because I care about animals and don’t want to consume anything that comes from them period.
Then your vegetables are 100% pesticides free, right ? If not, then you are not vegan.
Religious beliefs are great because they don’t have to be consistent with any reality, you just gotta be “trying your best” to meet the central tenets
Just to clarify, I think research has concluded that PFAS do indeed passes through into our blood stream. What this exactly means for our health we do not yet know, though!
Why would you say that lobsters aren't sentient?
I agree with her that buying garbage polyester shoes is ridiculous and is in fact anti vegan. Buying old leather shoes that decompose in the ground after you die is much better if the spirit of veganism is minimizing environmental/animal harm
Uh-oh, an earthquake. Earth must on the rag!
You think lobsters aren’t sentient?? What?! Have you not seen the UA-cam videos of that guy who bought a live lobster from the store and then raised him as a pet? He has a very obvious personality and tastes/ distaste. He responds to the guy. How can that lobster not be sentient?
You did a good analysis of the video. I still consider her to be vegan... ish! If every person does their best to try to avoid animal products then more animals will live. I respect your words on why your vegan.. Animals at the forefront 🙏
At the end you kinda make it seem like going vegan out of love for animals and feeling connected to them and not wanting them to suffer is somehow inferior to your "ethical" or "moral" reasons. Is that really how you mean it?
I'm just glad she's not going back to eating meat like most of the vegans on you tube. It's nice to know she's still being conscious of what she's eating.
Speaking as someone who *loves* the 'how it's made' videos for things that get mixed in massive things and then sent along a conveyor belt with different parts of the process happening, I'd really enjoy watching that as I ate whatever mock meat it was. That would be really cool, I'd have a great time.
1000%
Great video. Honestly I get kind of annoyed when people are like “animals aren’t the only thing worth fighting for” and try to make vegans feel bad about not driving an electric car, buying all organic or whatever. Veganism is about reducing the suffering of animals. ALL the vegans I know are also very informed about other types of suffering like child labor, unfair workers’ pay and buying used products to minimize their effect on other types of suffering. STILL. That’s just because they are trying to be good people both through practicing vegan morals and other morals as well. It doesn’t really have anything to do with veganism and should. If veganism is about not only eating solely plant based but also about only buying used stuff, never traveling or buying chocolate it just because way to hard being vegan. Nobody is perfect but we should all try to be better.
Yeah the people that say that shit are complete knobs. We are very capabLe of being concerned about many different aspects of life. This same thing happens in politics. People say "we need to secure our borders" before we help Ukraine. No, we can do both.
She is going to look back at her video in 10 years and roll her eyes all the way back and delete every trace of it from the internet to the best of her ability. 😂😂😂
She sounds like someone on that old reality TV show "real world" telling someone else about their spirituality in an attempt to sound deep. So cringe lol.
7:19 your expression of priceless! Made me lol I had to watch it again! 🤣 ya, I agree with you, vegan for life.
Hello? Laying eggs is still very exhausting for the hens and can lead to health issues. The kindest thing is feeding the eggs back to them, not EATING THEM OURSELVES.
I love slam poetry but things like this make me wish it didn’t exist or that at the very least, that a lot less people knew about it.
Is that word salad vegan?
Great video. I would recommend you read what a fish knows. People have a hard time thinking of sealife the same as land animals.
I honestly don't care if she wants to eat eggs and honey or if she wants to buy used leather. She still is primarily vegan and that's less animals that are exploited so I'm happy, personally. I just wish she didn't make a huge debacle of it. It gave anti-vegans more ammo. It comes off like she did it for attention.
When she says "we try to walk instead of bike", why?
If we're charitable we assume she meant walk or bike instead of drive. lol
Yes! I meant walk instead of drive!
My issue with the backyard hens is that it is so rare that one acquired hens without purchasing them and then also gave them a free life, allowing them to coexist with roosters. We basically make a tiny nunnery for our own gain. If it isn't hyper controlled, contorted, and we just allow the chickens to do what they want, then we won't really get unfertilized eggs often at all. And we have to feed those chickens, often seeds, which means we could just buy seeds for ourselves instead of investing in a personal chicken factory.
Basically, you need to get a couple rescue chickens for free with no rooster at all, and they have plenty of space to live freely, and if they like eating their own eggs then they get to. In these highly specific occasions, same with like a random gifted goat, or rescue cow, one can have animal products without harm....or one can just buy a damn broccoli and not keep plugging the message to the world that it is alright to have animal products, because the more people try to replicate the "local backyard" reality, the more that gets ever corrupted, and turns into something not good.
Bless you for watching that mess. The thing that amazes me as that she apparently has over 300K subscribers. Why? It has to be the thinness and the big eyes, because it's not her brain.
This reminds me of my step sister. After I told her why I’m vegan she said “ I understand how you believe that”. She said before how she was “vegetarian” and now is not even plant based. And she calls herself an “environmentalist” yet was so nice to my cat. How about being nice to ALL animals?🙄🙄🙄
Being Vegan isn't being nice to ALL animals, many many animals, insects and habitat is destroyed in the farming of crops
I had a friend who spoke so much like this woman. Nuggets of some wisdom, but at the end of it, she’s just trying to justify making a different decision for herself. There’s probably a very simple reason that doesn’t require an hour long video, and would be much less odd.
Look, if me eating mock "chicken" vegan "bacon" and plant based "beef" can help save just ONE animal, you bet your ASS I'm gonna keep eating them over slaughtering an animal any day
Is there a reason for “walk instead of bike”? Perhaps you meant drive but just caught my attention.
she looks like she got lip fillers though, i don't know for sure. does that align with mother nature
"We" (i. e., the world human population) need that “quite destructive” industrial agriculture particularly when 77% of all the agricultural land is used as pastures for grazing or to grow crops for farm animal feed. Add to that all the land "trapped" under roads, stroads, detached houses, lawns, parking lots, etc.
The problem with the destructive agri practices is that it is not something we can keep doing indefinetely. It is not just a problem of the amount of land, because even if there is enough land, at this moment in time the only way to make a lot of that land productive for the lowest price is by using fossil fuels to make fertilizers. Veganism is definitely better because it uses less of those resources, but it is not a real solution from a sustainability perspective (ofc it is a solution for ethical issues!). The reason that those lands are unproductive without those fertilizers is because our farming practices degrade our soils. See the problem? Fossil fuels will be increasingly difficult to extract and therefore more expensive. This will definitely be a huge problem for food production in the future. We need to step towards less destructive farming and less people in the long term if we want that all people are fed in a sustainable way. I think as vegans it is important to be mindfull of these issues that veganism alone can't fix.