Hello, being a retired (2 years) refrigeration contractor for 47 years, I love how you make use of your skills you used in the trade. Need a 7/8” return, no problem just braze on a piece 😉. I can’t tell you how many times I have made up adapters using that technique. That b-tank was a score no doubt. I also recognize the exhaust pipe cover on the little land grader, Sporlan drier core tin. Good one. Keep up the good work and don’t get sucked back into the HVAC/R bit. Too any jokers want things done for cheap. Cheers!🇨🇦
Sharp eye on the Sporlan can. LOL. I'm certainly glad to be retired from an awesome career. The few jobs I do are either for family or people I know very well that just need the help and would do without otherwise. I too have 'been around the block'....LOL. But I still don't mind helping someone truly in need. Plus I enjoy making the sheet metal videos because there seems to be a surprising number of young guys that appreciate the things I show. There's hardly a week goes by that I don't say no to somebody just wanting something cheap. Thanks Larry for the nice comment and I would tell anyone that wants to WORK that HVAC/R is a very good choice. Untold directions to go in the field. Continual changes to stay on top of.
For U newbees that buy this Chinese Tractor Supply junk try tapering the blade or en-largening the blade like I did. I made my blade protrude up top by 3 inches razor sharp... And it works boy does that do the trick... Machine no longer struggles with that blunt blade... You need to go 2inces out at the very top of the new addition 3 inches longer or higher and taper the addition down to the thick blunt area of the OEM blade... Whoooo Weeee what a an easy split... Half the strain on the machine.
So by changing the pump you gave the splitter a new life....When I was young and no money I even took a few of them apart and turned the wear plates around and it gave the pump a few more miles.....good fix....CHEERS
Heck, its too good of shape to not fix. It came as partial payment on a side job and my son's father in law really needs it. So its all good. The motor seems to still be fine...starts real easily so far and doesn't even smoke !!
Love how your videos are always informative I'm a younger guy and I almost always learn something on one of your videos and that's a good wood splitter but your woodsplitter can do double work in the same amount of time
Thanks Matt for the kind words. Retirement is nice...it allows a fellow to take his time and record things that others may have an interest in. I didn't have that luxury before.
Will do I try to learn as much as I can I am 30 but I'm always found with the older guys hanging out because I always learn so much from them and they're always outside fixing something and I enjoy fixing things
She's sure a pleasant little gal. She's actually in training as a therapy dog for the Missus who plans to use her with special needs kids at school. The classes are temporarily postponed due to Covid. Thanks Bob and have a Happy and Healthy New Year yourself !!
Hahahahaha....it just keeps pumpin' and a pumpin'...know whut I mean Vern....?? Hey if you work hard enough it will generate 'heat'...so maybe it IS a version of a heat pump... Thanks JR. You guys have a Natural Gas breakdown out there last week ?
I think maybe the perspective from the camera angle contributes to the appearance of danger. That ram moves so slow, that most people would just about have to be asleep to be mashed on this machine. It's got the power sue to the two stage pump, but not the horsepower to move the volume of oil fast enough to speed up the ram. Now the ram speed on my much larger single stage splitter powered by farm tractors up to 50 hp is fast enough to catch the hand of an inattentive operator.
Thanks Peter...it should be good for a long time yet and even if the motor goes bad, Predator makes a clone that will bolt right up and they seem to get reasonable reviews from the people that use them on equipment. Have a GREAT New Year my friend.
Wendell man I almost didn't recognize you all cleaned up lol. Pretty neat got that thing going no problem now you just need to fabricate a larger base plate and you will be in business. I agree about the vertical splitter not being fun to operate, that is why I have the horizontal Split Fire on the back of my tractor. Take care brother.
Dang Ben....missed this one. The vertical has its place when you find yourself in the middle of a pile of 30'' - 40'' oak !! But I couldn't do it all day long.... Take care buddy....
@@tractorman4461 I was about to think you didn't respond to us lowly new channels with no subscribers lol. Cut a fellow a break it's rough down here. Take Care Brother.
@@OGAOutdoors Hahahaha...naw man. I've been finding a lot of comments go into the spam folder for no reason I can tell. I found 80 good comments there the other day. I didn't realize your 16,000 some odd subs would stay with Teresa's half of the production. And I still haven't done any thing with Instagram. Take Care Ben and keep splitting....you'll pass me again in no time !!
@@tractorman4461 Yes it’s good practice to check that spam about twice a week especially when you hang out with shady characters like me. I’ve got a video coming soon splitting wood into the shed and you may get a little shout out by the way.
We don't burn wood anymore (my brother does), but when I was a kid, we had a wood burning stove in the living room and a wood burning range in the kitchen. We used an axe, splitting maul, wedges, etc. to split the wood. We even had bow saws to cut the smaller diameter wood. I learnt to use my whole weight, which back then wasn't much, to split wood, and I could out split bigger guys who didn't have the "technique" down on how to swing a splitting maul. Having a factory built splitter would have been great, but we couldn't afford such luxury.
Hahahahaha...back then there just wasn't a lot of store bought ones anyway. That's why my brother pieced together the yellow one of mine in the 70's out of discarded materials. Just junk off the jobsite dumpsters and farm machinery parts. Yes, I split a lot of wood by hand for many many years too. We had to heat with wood, there was no other source of heat in the old house we grew up in.
My dad split wood by hand (a quick karate chop) for many years. Actually he used a maul and splitting wedges and he burnt a minimum of 6 full cords every winter. I did the same for many years and then bought a used splitter from a rental operation. I look at photos of the wood piles I made with a splitting maul and it's hard to believe I did that every winter. And they were much smaller piles than the ones my dad made. I had to replace the motor on my splitter a week or so ago and had to split a few pieces of ash by hand and it about did me in. I think that when my dad was splitting wood there was no such think as a hydraulic splitter. If there was it was too expensive or he was even more stubborn then I am and refused to spend the money. Hand splitting pin and other oak found here can be tough. I remember one chunk of oak was so damn tough I could not get a start with a maul at all and had to make a cut with my chain saw just to get the splitting wedge started.
Oh yeah...I'm sure he's been using an axe and maul & wedges....and the sons in law.....LOL. He seriously is very happy with the addition. I didn't mention it in the video, but he is also a good friend of mine as well with a large and lovely family. Thanks David for the complimentary comment.
Good day Sir ( very nice shave Sir ! ) , Very nice puppy dog and Nice music ! Great fixe and Great brazing tips for sure ! Sir I do agree with you about the ergonomically use of this wood splitter and If I had one like this one ( I will modifying it at once !!! ) I spend too many years on various concret hangar or tarmac floor !!! Keep up the great works Sir Cheers !!!
I have brutalized my knees over the years as well. Kneeling on the rock covered rubber roofs to make repairs to commercial units on the roof. Then making repairs on concrete floors....arrrrgggghhhh !!! One time I was driving home Dave, and my right knee felt real floppy and fat. When I got home it was HUGE....A big sack of fluid about a 1/2'' thick was the size of a football all around my knee !! It went away in a few days and I never did go to the doctor with it. LOL.
@@tractorman4461 Ho boy, you are rough man on yourself Sir... That is an amazing life story Sir,,,, THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD WRITE YOUR BIO !!! LOL !!! I WILL PERSITE LOL Have a blessed Sunday Sir Cheers !!!
Happy New Year Wendel. I love my splitter.Especially since doing all the mods to it. I usually work alone and the size of the stuff that I have to deal with would kill me without the mods. Even though mine is a cheap tractor Supply splitter, it does an amazing job for me. You saw the size of stuff that I was splitting. 2 years ago, I had a huge white oak that was 40 inches across at the stump. Man that was a monster! I wish that I would have has my channel then and would have videoed it.
Yes, I remember that video. Hydraulics is an amazing invention. And most all these older splitters have plenty of room for improvements like you've done. And yes Gary, I too wish I'd have started a channel many years before I did. Have a wondeful and Happy New Year my friend !!
What I do, as well as many others, is to only use the vertical position to break a large and heavy round into pieces I can pick up. The round you had, I would split in three or four pieces and the do the rest horizontal. You're right, that spitting on your knees is not right. Also, if I have just 4 or 5 big rounds, I'll use my Fiskers X27 and bust them up by hand.
In my younger days I would do the same thing and it didn't take much to realize that's the way I'd use the vertical mode if the machine was my primary splitter. If you've seen my home built splitter, you'll remember the beam is fitted to an "A" frame axle that allows it to hydraulicaly lower to the ground to roll large diameter pieces onto the beam for that specific purpose. If you've not seen it Phil, somewhere near the beginning of this Splitter Wars collaboration video, the function is shown: ua-cam.com/video/OubpVGJaiiY/v-deo.html Thanks for the input and thanks for watching sir.
Love that dog, Wendel. That's flow rate on that pump (11 gpm), might be perfect for that splitter, as it's small and long cycle time. I can see how you would not compare it favorably to your heavy-duty splitter, but for backyard firewood, it might be okay with DRY straight wood.
I agree that I AM spoiled a bit by the old pto splitter's speed and power. Yes, this one is a good splitter for any home owner wanting to cut their heating bill. That piece of oak I split was hard as a rock. That one spot where the two pieces just POPPED and flew apart with only a portion of penetration was indicative of the force required on that particular one. Thanks Powrguy for the comment.
Yeah, me too. LOL. It was a needed repair and I thought maybe there might be someone out there with a failing pump that might like to see how easy it is to make it work again. Thanks for stopping in and I'm waiting for a buzz saw video on your channel by the way.....I know you have some flat belts now.....
@@tractorman4461 ya Ive got a solid frost here now unfortunately so I'm a little nervous to try my buzz saw out yet, I'm still doing the old head scratch on how I'ma stake it down lol ive got a big ol' eastern ceder to take down so it will likely be used for all the pole wood off the thing tho we mey be looking at a springtime video unless I can get it good and anchord somehow lol I'll be smiling ear to ear when I do tho
@@ButlerOutdoorsCanada If you have access to a welder you can just weld 4 tabs on the frame with holes to accept some 2 1/2' long rebar driven in at opposing angles. That will hold it securely when you tighten the flat belt up with the tractor. No welder...?? Maybe drill and bolt in place. Hahahaha....you'll do fine, just gotta plan for the worst then avoid it at all costs...LOL. Remember that an old dry flat belt needs to be 'worked in' to stretch out and loosen up the fibres. Then re-adjusted for tightness if it runs off or slips. Actually just a small amount of slippage will toss it off in a split second. A lot of old timers would rig up a wide idler pulley on the return side of the belt too, weighted or sprung to maintain a bit of tension.
@@tractorman4461 I'm embarrassed to say I don't have a welder, I always end up borrowing one when I need it but I think it's probably time I get off my wallet and see what I can find at Canadian tire lol im a buzz saw rookie so I'm about as nervous as I am excited to get it runnin all the snow n ice is also discouraging for a newbie like me lol but I do promise I will get that old thing going with my massey, i just need to gather up the courage
I have not doubt there is a way to get used to using the vertical position. I only split one or two pieces to make sure the repair was complete. If it were to stay here, I'd probably use it to a great extent on the larger rounds like that. Thanks William for the input and thank you for watching.
How's she goin'? I agree with your Wendel, a vertical splitter just seems to be a gimmick to me. Nice repair and that splitter is good now!! Take care!!
They do have their place if you've got a fair amount of large ones too big to lift easily to the beam. Bust 'em into 3 or 4 smaller ones then flip to horizontal and go normal. Thanks Mike for the comment this morning my friend.
And a Fine and Happy New Year to all to 44 Headquarters! Indeed, I know you are spoiled with that high end homemade splitter much older Brother built, no kiddin! Ole DaveyJO does it upright,,,,,,with me splitter, which is 27 ton and does a fine job. Being alone upright is much easier for me. I simply use a piece of wood to be split for a stool and split it last. Works fine. If you have help horizontal works great. But Lille ole me have a hard time luggin those big oak and hickory hunks up on the splitter. Now if I had one of those Peterine splitters, I'm sure I'd be the envy of the whole neighborhood! But what a fine video for this New Years night. A cuppaJO and a 44 Vid? That's good luck if ever there was and Kind Thanks from me Holler to your Holler! DaveyJO
Good Morning my friend and yes, I know for sure there are a ton of people out there that really enjoy the vertical option. As a matter of fact, I was thinking of your fancy machine while I was editing this one for upload. It's just gives me the devil wrestling those darn chunks of wood on my knees. But then again, this is the first and only time I used ANY factory built machine so I really am not qualified to say a whole lot about it at all. LOL. It just needed to be repaired and I HAD to know it worked before my son delivered it to his FIL. He is happy as a lark with it in the wood pile now !! Happy New Year Ol' Buddy,,,sip a little JO ....I am. Take Care !!
Yep, for people like you and I that were born in 1951, we do NOT want to get down on our hands and knees. Besides that, you need a Harley Sportster 1200 engine to operate that I would not bog down.😇
Hahahahaha....it'd be a bit more pleasing to the ears too !! That's a good one Dave. I did see a guy that built a home made band saw that powered it with a Japanese inline 4. Man that thing screamed too !! Take Care and keep the rubber side down if you happen to run in to any snow out there.
hi there question is that a northern hydraulics to northern tool . years i got things from northern hydraulics then they went away . i thought that NH changed then it was NT . well i thought it was the same place but it not . NT infringed on NH . they ant the same place . anyway NH is still out there that is where i got back to going to . like them better . i am sure you also use surplus center . john
Missed notification of your comment John. Yes Northern Tool is Northern Hydraulics. Same place and similar name. Used to be a more basic store but they expanded merchandise exponentially when they changed names.
Whew, can’t imagine splitting for hours at a time on your knees even on dry ground. Seems a bit inconvenient too for getting the next piece to split, would be too much getting up and down. Anyway, good video on the repair and the man should be happy with it.
Thank you for the comment and yes, I do believe he is pretty doggone happy with it. I guess using this to any extent in the vertical position would necessitate using one of those 'pickaroons' I see guys use all the time to keep from bending over so much. You could have a fair stack staged, then kneel down to split and keep pulling more to you with the pickaroon. Now I tell ya, I have an old pickaroon that's gotta be close to a hundred years old and I can't bring myself to use it. I tried it once or twice and it just don't work for me. But for this application, I think I would force myself to learn how to use it efficiently to minimize the effort of getting up and down.
I have a county line log splitter, and it is also a “convertible” splitter, however I never use it in the vertical position. The reason being positioning the large rounds is more then my back can handle on my knees. For that splitter, why don’t you fabricate a hydraulic feed table, and raise it up a bit also relieve stress form his back as well. I think you could handle that little bit of fabrication!lol
Yes Pat, that could easily be accomplished. He just had one or both of his knees replaced, so I'm not sure just how he's using it yet. There is room for design change for sure. I remember your little man's video splitting wood on the County Line....cool video and a hard working lad you have there. Thanks Pat for the comment buddy !
@@tractorman4461 Morning Wendell, I hope you boy is doing good, now I guess that we are not the only ones who need to work smarter not harder! I’m thinking of how to stream line my wood processing as well, just to avoid any more damage or issues.
I have the same opinion of using my splitter in the vertical position and used it only a few times. The way I split big rounds now takes a lot of the human work out of it. I have a heavy duty (mostly hand made) trailer and its bed is about level with the rail on my splitter. I have a ramp I put on the back of the trailer and use it and a portable winch to winch the rounds up onto the trailer. I back up the trailer so there's a short distance, a couple feet or so, between the rail on the splitter the back of the trailer. Then put a couple of good 2 x 6s between the end of the trailer and the splitter and roll the rounds onto the splitter. Saves a lot of muscle. Takes a little time but I've got more time than muscle.
@@ravenfeather7087 i had a similar set up with heavy duty pallets, stacked right next to the holding tray of my splitter for a bit, but for some reason, I now enjoy the hammer and wedge to help lighten up the load!
Good thing you could refurbish this splitter. That is a good "average Joe" splitter. I used to rent one of those vertical splitters but would put it into a trailer, so I would work standing at a proper height. I had my crane to lift larger rounds. How did you manage to align the love joy coupler? It seems the pump mount does not let you see anything in there. Thanks!
Oh let me tell you Joe, it took a little finagling to align and bolt up. Another situation where I wish Layla could've lent a hand. But you can bump them face to face and gently move around until you feel the engagement, then gently tighten to minimize distortion and smooth operation. Hey like I say, if it was hard, I wouldn't be able to do it !! (-: Thanks for the visit....on to the next one now.
I enjoyed your video. I also have an old Duerr (24 ton) splitter with an 8 HP B&S motor. Had been running fine, but now the ram doesn’t work. Last I split was some large, knarley maple (on the verticle). At this point I’m suspecting the pump is bad and am thinking of trying to rebuild it but there is no name for a model/brand, just a # on the end. X10.9/2.1 Any thoughts? Should I just get a new pump?
Personally I would just buy a replacement pump. Two stage pumps for wood splitters have become very affordable. Of course the first thing I'd do would to to disassemble the bad one to just see if there happened to be a simple issue. But they can 'look' perfect but be worn beyond tolerance which is what causes the loss of flow issue over a period of time. Farm supply stores are a good source as are Northern Tool stores. The tricky thing is to make sure its not a problem with the control valve though because you may have a faulty internal relief in that.
Had my engine just get tukerd out. Put a engine on that runs at the full 3,600rpm of the pump. It shaved off about 2sec or so of a round trip off the piston travel time, with no split load. I think the old push rod Briggs & Stratton engine was only spinning around 3,200rpm~ at best. With the replacement engine having quite a bit more grunt, it's probably far closer to 7hp then the sub 5hp. should the pump give up I think a 13 gpm would be well within reason. 0.01c
Good luck with what ever you decide !! These little engines just wear out. The rings wear, the cylinders wear, bearings wear.....until they just won't produce the maximum any more as you describe. On the same note, the packing in the cylinders wear, the control valve wears, the pump wears.....we wear out right along with them too !! Thanks Bruce for the comment.
Best ordered one of these for my wood splitter I need a two hose hookup is this just one hose or two holes hook up please comment ASAP so I don't waste $200
Great video. Is there a way to change the shaft seal on the pump? Mine is slowly leaking and a new pump is like $600 now (2022). I have a 2009 Troy Built 27ton splitter.
Yes, the shaft seal is replaceable, but it is easier said than done. The seal should have a legible number on it that will cross reference to several different brands. Sometimes the seal will fail because of slight wear on the shaft and if so the new seal will leak fairly quickly. If you feel a wear ring on the shaft where it rides on the seal, check out a company called Redi Seal or Ready Seal. If they are still in business they can supply a very thin sleeve to cover the shaft across the wear spot and keep the new seal from leaking prematurely. If you disassemble it make sure it is in a clean environment because foreign materials admitted to the hydraulic pump are very bad for causing wear. That's probably about an 11 gallon two stage pump on that rig and unless prices have drastically changed, it shouldn't cost that much. Try looking up splitter pumps at Surplus Supply and see what you find. Hopefully something here is of help to you.
@@WeatherNut27 I was going to make that the second suggestion. Northern Tool has a store just 20 miles north of me. I got the 11gpm Delavan pump though at a local farm store in town here. Good to see you are on the path to recovery ! Glad to hear it.
Oh you'll lose a little. It depends on the elevation of the tank in comparison to the fitting. But I'll slip a cap on or elevate the hose quickly higher than the fluid level real quick if possible. You are going to lose some oil no matter what you do. If necessary just keep a clean container to drain the hose into while the repair is being made.
@@tractorman4461 thanks! let me say I am mechanically challenged, I rely on youtube/google and try to follow instructions. I have a troy bilt 27 ton splitter. last week it stalled on auto return and I could not restart it (pull cord only came about a foot). I removed engine and it was ok, the pump however would only turn 180 degrees. I think I can see where one of the gears is catching when I look thru the intake port. The spider bushing was gone and the couplers were chewed up (my lack of tech experience). I'm attempting to replace it but not sure what caused the pump failure (don't want a repeat episode). Any thoughts or recommendations welcomed.
Thanks for the video, I am changing out a pump in homemade splitter. I replaced a 4" cylinder with a 5" and didn't help, replaced the old Honda engine with a 420cc engine, didn't help, so now I've removed the old pump and have it at Northern Tool and Randy there is looking for a replacement. The 5" cylinder is considerably slower moving which is aggravating when splitting alot. Any suggestions on speed adjustment: Also, how do I bleed air when I get it back together?
The only way to increase speed is the increase the flow rate or decrease the quantity required. The latter means a smaller cylinder which decreases capacity because the force applied is lowered. Increasing flow (gpm) means increasing the horse power to move the higher quantity in a given time. NTool should be able to match your engine to the appropriate two stage pump to make the two match. Does this make sense Kevin ?? Thanks for watching and good luck on your project !!
@@kevintaylor8832 yes unless the new motor can handle the greater gpm. The five inch will produce more force, but because there’s more volume of oil required to fill the cylinder it will move slower. I’d put the maximum gpm pump possible that the new motor can handle. If it cannot handle more then the original motor I’d consider going back to the four inch with the new pump. Your Reservoir tank has a vent on it, and it will automatically vent itself as you work the cylinder back-and-forth.You’ll probably notice the pump cavitate a little bit and the cylinder may be jumpy for a few cycles but that is the air being pushed out as its replaced by the oil..
Well it IS really good for busting bigger pieces into 4, then flip back to horizontal to work standing up, but its actually a little low horizontally even for a shorter person. If I kept it for my own, first thing I'd do would be to put a lower axle with 15'' car tires on it to raise the working height. At the same time getting more working room on the side by shifting the beam to the rear to maintain full function of the tilt feature. I didn't like getting my knees wet in the moist ground....
Hello Mr Tractor Man, my splitter has developed a very slow cycle time. Changeg the fluid and filter, still slow with no visible leaks. Would you recommend a new pump?
I would have to play with it myself to decide, but the three distinct possibilities with your description would be internal bypassing of the controls relief valve, the cylinder packing wearing and bypassing oil or the pumps internals wearing to the point its not developing the flow it used to. I can't make a judgement for you in good faith that's not just a guess. All the components wear over time. The strongest suspicion however would be the pump just wearing out.
Nice job T! I am sure he will be elated to have it back working like new. In my old Columbo fashion, just one question - how did you figure out that the hydraulic pump was broken or worn out, and that it was the problem? And why is it called a 2 stage pump? Ok, I guess that was two questions. LOL. Cheers!
ALL small horsepower splitters have to utilize a two stage pump. What they are basically is a setup internally that operate on two (gear) pumps side by side. One is high flow at low pressure and the other is low flow at high pressure. So when the wood is being split, both stages are pumping the combined amount of oil as the rated gallons per minute....UNTIL.....heavy resistance is felt. At that point internally the pump shifts ('figuratively') to utilize only the low flow pump at the exceptionally high pressure to force on through the tough spot, with noticeably slower ram speed. Once that resistance is dealt with, the internals of the pump reverts back to utilizing the combined gpm off of both pumps. That's why the ram slows down in a hard piece of wood...noticeably slower than normal... its no longer moving the rated gpm. See the small 5, 6, 8 or even 10 hp motors can move that quantity of oil (gpms) against low resistance, but cannot push it against high resistance, so by automatically dropping out the HIGH volume LOW pressure internal pump and only utilizing the HIGH pressure LOW volume pump the small hp of the power unit can continue to move the ram. This is how high capacity in tonnage is achieved by relatively low horsepower. Our home made splitters utilize industrial SINGLE stage pumps which require the much greater horsepower of these farm tractors to function at such a high ram speed. The pumps we use would take at the very minimum a 25 hp motor to even run them under no or very little load. Any resistance to speak of against the ram would stall the small motors almost instantly. Now I can't speak of the super commercial splitters like Eastonmade or Wolfe Ridge as to what type of pumps they have, but I would suspect they too are two stage. It would be interesting to know for sure.... See, about 95% of the wood that goes through just about any splitter splits with very little actual force. Its that stubborn 5%-10% of the wood that will slow the ram down by going into the low volume high pressure mode. Please GP, bear in mind this is not engineering data that I am quoting....its just stuff I think is close enough to peak your inquisitive nature concerning the subject. So it is not to be considered absolutely accurate, but its close enough to get you into the ballpark and if I know you, by next week at this time you will know more about the subject than I do !! LOL. And to answer your initial question, I knew the pump was bad internally because on perfectly straight soft woods the wedge would barely penetrate, then the ram would just stall without bogging down the motor. That means the motor isn't able to do any work, because there isn't any oil flowing. Then a faulty control valve would sound much differently if the internals were in continual bypass. It didn't have that sound. Thanks my friend for the thought provoking question and hopefully I haven't steered you too far off the course of accuracy. But as always, I stand to be corrected and would welcome the input !!
@@ravenfeather7087 I'm glad to have been a help to you. GP has a incredibly wonderful channel and provides new tractor owners and people new to wood processing very helpful videos.
Wendell, I have a question for you, do you know of any “garden sized tractors that closely resemble a John Deere M series or, a tricycle tractor that could be a cool wood collector for my boy. Similar to a panzer, or wheel horse, possibly an old cub
Yes, a little Allis Chalmers B would be a good choice. They were pretty much unchanged from ‘37 or ‘38 to ‘50. Most are a simple crank start THATs easy to crank. Nicely tuned it’s usually a quarter turn to fire them up. Simple to work on snd youll have your choice between a distributer or magneto. The C will be almost the same tractor but is usually electric start and crank start. They will most likely have a narrow front end. The cool thing about the B’s though is they are fairly easy to turn into a low rider. They are referred to as a “Bow axle B”. You can turn the front axle upside diwn then invert the final drives and make a neat low rider fir the car shows !! Try googling “Bow axle B low rider” snd see what you find. Might have to add Allis Chalmers to the search. Right now I have two Bs and two Cs to move down the highway. They were in competition fir the truck farmer market with the Cub, John Deere LA and Massey Harris Pony. Plus they were perfect fir the small acreage farmer too. A pony or an LA would be perfect as well. Good luck. The M and MT are both slightly more tractor than these suggestions here.
@@tractorman4461 ok now my search begins, looking to find something before October at a reasonable $, I’m hoping that my channel can take off so I can do things like this for the kids, and let them handle the firewood chores😂😂😂 Like that will ever happen!
Looking for something a little more lawn mower sized, remember we live in NJ, and have woods near by, but we also have neighbors who think they are always right!
@@thesmallwoodlot433 ok. I mistook the John Deere M as though you’re looking slightly larger. Lol. My bad. If that’s the case I would be looking at cub cadet or Bolens or maybe an old wheel horse. Maybe even an Economy. That’s one that would be really cool !! Those would all be horizontal shafted and easy to adapt to an electric start Predator engine from harbor freight. Also the Economy should have 16” rears.
Hi Tractorman44, TY for the walkthrough!! Recently, my 1.5 HP motor + 11 GPM 2-stage pump electric log splitter is struggling to cut through straight logs. The ram would move up and down without any issue when there is NO resistance. However, when the ram meets resistance (i.e. medium size straight log), I hear the motor cranking hard but the ram does not move any further to split the wood. The motor is trying so hard, it actually pops the electric circuit breaker. I noticed the splitter progressively getting weaker and weaker in the past 3 months. After some research, I believe the hydraulic pump needs to be replaced. What are your thoughts on this?
Well its really hard to be sure without physically being there to operate it. The part that is confusing is the motor tripping the breaker. That usually means it is over loaded and with a weakened pump that is no longer producing the required pressure, the 'load' on the motor would be lessened. That's the rub here. A weakening (worn) pump loses its capacity to pump the full flow of oil, and a weakened relief valve puts the machine in bypass or partial bypass more easily and both should reduce the amperage load on the motor. On the surface though, it sounds as though you are describing a worn pump. All I can give you for sure is wishes for good luck with the repair. One more thing....a long or light guage extension cord will cause voltage drop and cause the amperage of the motor to increase proportionately. Voltage and amperage have an inverse proportion.
Oh heck yeah BubbG, I get that for sure. There sure IS a place where the vertical function comes in handy. My bigger home made one 'kneels' down to the ground to bust 'em in two or three. It stays in the horizontal position to just roll them onto the beam. Not the easiest on the really big pieces. The biggest I can remember busting was 52'' diameter. Thanks for the input and have a wonderful week.
LOLOL....yep...funny thing about whiskers is the just come and go...and they are back again already !! LOL. I gotta admit though, sometimes (actually a lot of times) there is a lag between recording and uploading. Life around here gets busy..... Thanks for noticing !!
Hahahahahaha....been there and done that too !! I was shoveling corn into the crib once as a wee lad of about 12. Sows and pigs were rummaging around the corn wagon sucking up a bit of spillage and the old Hampshire boar come strolling by the side and just stood there. Hey, I'm 4' tall and bulletproof so I just dropped onto his back to ride him like one of the old cows or heifers.....yeah right !! Off we went like greased lightning and I found out quickly...man...there ain't nothin' to hold on to on a hogs back !! Never made it halfway to the 8 second rodeo bell but it was a fun ride while it lasted !! Yep...just to the center of the mud wallow. Nuff said...... Thanks Mike for bringing that quick little snippet to the surface. LOL Have a GREAT New Year !!
Hello, being a retired (2 years) refrigeration contractor for 47 years, I love how you make use of your skills you used in the trade. Need a 7/8” return, no problem just braze on a piece 😉. I can’t tell you how many times I have made up adapters using that technique. That b-tank was a score no doubt. I also recognize the exhaust pipe cover on the little land grader, Sporlan drier core tin. Good one. Keep up the good work and don’t get sucked back into the HVAC/R bit. Too any jokers want things done for cheap. Cheers!🇨🇦
Sharp eye on the Sporlan can. LOL. I'm certainly glad to be retired from an awesome career. The few jobs I do are either for family or people I know very well that just need the help and would do without otherwise. I too have 'been around the block'....LOL. But I still don't mind helping someone truly in need. Plus I enjoy making the sheet metal videos because there seems to be a surprising number of young guys that appreciate the things I show.
There's hardly a week goes by that I don't say no to somebody just wanting something cheap. Thanks Larry for the nice comment and I would tell anyone that wants to WORK that HVAC/R is a very good choice. Untold directions to go in the field. Continual changes to stay on top of.
Hi Wendell! You made that pump replacement look easy and brought that old splitter back to life. Well done! Thanks for sharing your skills once again!
Thanks Martin...it really wasn't too much of a project and I was satisfied with the results too !!
For U newbees that buy this Chinese Tractor Supply junk try tapering the blade or en-largening the blade like I did. I made my blade protrude up top by 3 inches razor sharp... And it works boy does that do the trick... Machine no longer struggles with that blunt blade... You need to go 2inces out at the very top of the new addition 3 inches longer or higher and taper the addition down to the thick blunt area of the OEM blade... Whoooo Weeee what a an easy split... Half the strain on the machine.
So by changing the pump you gave the splitter a new life....When I was young and no money I even took a few of them apart and turned the wear plates around and it gave the pump a few more miles.....good fix....CHEERS
Heck, its too good of shape to not fix. It came as partial payment on a side job and my son's father in law really needs it. So its all good. The motor seems to still be fine...starts real easily so far and doesn't even smoke !!
Love how your videos are always informative I'm a younger guy and I almost always learn something on one of your videos and that's a good wood splitter but your woodsplitter can do double work in the same amount of time
Thanks Matt for the kind words. Retirement is nice...it allows a fellow to take his time and record things that others may have an interest in. I didn't have that luxury before.
Will do I try to learn as much as I can I am 30 but I'm always found with the older guys hanging out because I always learn so much from them and they're always outside fixing something and I enjoy fixing things
Shop dogs are the best. Happy New Year Tractorman!
She's sure a pleasant little gal. She's actually in training as a therapy dog for the Missus who plans to use her with special needs kids at school. The classes are temporarily postponed due to Covid. Thanks Bob and have a Happy and Healthy New Year yourself !!
You've done it again, hydraulic pump 101. Good Job👍😎🥳
Hahahahaha....it just keeps pumpin' and a pumpin'...know whut I mean Vern....?? Hey if you work hard enough it will generate 'heat'...so maybe it IS a version of a heat pump... Thanks JR. You guys have a Natural Gas breakdown out there last week ?
Just got done watching James May, and for some reason thought of you! Wish he had more videos out!
I'll have to go check him out...thanks for the tip Pat.
10:07 was almost a crushed hand out of sight from the baseball hat brim. Looked like a pretty close call.
I think maybe the perspective from the camera angle contributes to the appearance of danger. That ram moves so slow, that most people would just about have to be asleep to be mashed on this machine. It's got the power sue to the two stage pump, but not the horsepower to move the volume of oil fast enough to speed up the ram.
Now the ram speed on my much larger single stage splitter powered by farm tractors up to 50 hp is fast enough to catch the hand of an inattentive operator.
44 saved someone alot by fixing things great job very interesting
God Bless All
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Thanks Peter...it should be good for a long time yet and even if the motor goes bad, Predator makes a clone that will bolt right up and they seem to get reasonable reviews from the people that use them on equipment. Have a GREAT New Year my friend.
Wendell man I almost didn't recognize you all cleaned up lol. Pretty neat got that thing going no problem now you just need to fabricate a larger base plate and you will be in business. I agree about the vertical splitter not being fun to operate, that is why I have the horizontal Split Fire on the back of my tractor. Take care brother.
Dang Ben....missed this one. The vertical has its place when you find yourself in the middle of a pile of 30'' - 40'' oak !! But I couldn't do it all day long.... Take care buddy....
@@tractorman4461 I was about to think you didn't respond to us lowly new channels with no subscribers lol. Cut a fellow a break it's rough down here. Take Care Brother.
@@OGAOutdoors Hahahaha...naw man. I've been finding a lot of comments go into the spam folder for no reason I can tell. I found 80 good comments there the other day. I didn't realize your 16,000 some odd subs would stay with Teresa's half of the production. And I still haven't done any thing with Instagram. Take Care Ben and keep splitting....you'll pass me again in no time !!
@@tractorman4461 Yes it’s good practice to check that spam about twice a week especially when you hang out with shady characters like me. I’ve got a video coming soon splitting wood into the shed and you may get a little shout out by the way.
We don't burn wood anymore (my brother does), but when I was a kid, we had a wood burning stove in the living room and a wood burning range in the kitchen. We used an axe, splitting maul, wedges, etc. to split the wood. We even had bow saws to cut the smaller diameter wood. I learnt to use my whole weight, which back then wasn't much, to split wood, and I could out split bigger guys who didn't have the "technique" down on how to swing a splitting maul. Having a factory built splitter would have been great, but we couldn't afford such luxury.
Hahahahaha...back then there just wasn't a lot of store bought ones anyway. That's why my brother pieced together the yellow one of mine in the 70's out of discarded materials. Just junk off the jobsite dumpsters and farm machinery parts. Yes, I split a lot of wood by hand for many many years too. We had to heat with wood, there was no other source of heat in the old house we grew up in.
Yep, that's all the heat we had also when I was a kid.
I'll get that tank up to you as soon as I can - maybe next week sometime.
@@316jd140 No problem and no hurry at all. Thanks Terry.
My dad split wood by hand (a quick karate chop) for many years. Actually he used a maul and splitting wedges and he burnt a minimum of 6 full cords every winter. I did the same for many years and then bought a used splitter from a rental operation. I look at photos of the wood piles I made with a splitting maul and it's hard to believe I did that every winter. And they were much smaller piles than the ones my dad made. I had to replace the motor on my splitter a week or so ago and had to split a few pieces of ash by hand and it about did me in. I think that when my dad was splitting wood there was no such think as a hydraulic splitter. If there was it was too expensive or he was even more stubborn then I am and refused to spend the money. Hand splitting pin and other oak found here can be tough. I remember one chunk of oak was so damn tough I could not get a start with a maul at all and had to make a cut with my chain saw just to get the splitting wedge started.
If the son’s FIL was using wedges and a maul, he will be thrilled. I assume he isn’t heating with wood.
Good explanation as usual.
Oh yeah...I'm sure he's been using an axe and maul & wedges....and the sons in law.....LOL. He seriously is very happy with the addition. I didn't mention it in the video, but he is also a good friend of mine as well with a large and lovely family. Thanks David for the complimentary comment.
Thank you sir for making this video it was very informative and educational 👍🏽👍🏽
Great !! I hope it helped you if you had a similar problem with yours.
Good day Sir ( very nice shave Sir ! ) , Very nice puppy dog and Nice music ! Great fixe and Great brazing tips for sure ! Sir I do agree with you about the ergonomically use of this wood splitter and If I had one like this one ( I will modifying it at once !!! ) I spend too many years on various concret hangar or tarmac floor !!! Keep up the great works Sir Cheers !!!
I have brutalized my knees over the years as well. Kneeling on the rock covered rubber roofs to make repairs to commercial units on the roof. Then making repairs on concrete floors....arrrrgggghhhh !!! One time I was driving home Dave, and my right knee felt real floppy and fat. When I got home it was HUGE....A big sack of fluid about a 1/2'' thick was the size of a football all around my knee !! It went away in a few days and I never did go to the doctor with it. LOL.
@@tractorman4461 Ho boy, you are rough man on yourself Sir... That is an amazing life story Sir,,,, THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD WRITE YOUR BIO !!! LOL !!! I WILL PERSITE LOL Have a blessed Sunday Sir Cheers !!!
Happy New Year Wendel. I love my splitter.Especially since doing all the mods to it. I usually work alone and the size of the stuff that I have to deal with would kill me without the mods. Even though mine is a cheap tractor Supply splitter, it does an amazing job for me. You saw the size of stuff that I was splitting. 2 years ago, I had a huge white oak that was 40 inches across at the stump. Man that was a monster! I wish that I would have has my channel then and would have videoed it.
Yes, I remember that video. Hydraulics is an amazing invention. And most all these older splitters have plenty of room for improvements like you've done. And yes Gary, I too wish I'd have started a channel many years before I did. Have a wondeful and Happy New Year my friend !!
What I do, as well as many others, is to only use the vertical position to break a large and heavy round into pieces I can pick up. The round you had, I would split in three or four pieces and the do the rest horizontal. You're right, that spitting on your knees is not right. Also, if I have just 4 or 5 big rounds, I'll use my Fiskers X27 and bust them up by hand.
In my younger days I would do the same thing and it didn't take much to realize that's the way I'd use the vertical mode if the machine was my primary splitter. If you've seen my home built splitter, you'll remember the beam is fitted to an "A" frame axle that allows it to hydraulicaly lower to the ground to roll large diameter pieces onto the beam for that specific purpose. If you've not seen it Phil, somewhere near the beginning of this Splitter Wars collaboration video, the function is shown: ua-cam.com/video/OubpVGJaiiY/v-deo.html Thanks for the input and thanks for watching sir.
Love that dog, Wendel. That's flow rate on that pump (11 gpm), might be perfect for that splitter, as it's small and long cycle time. I can see how you would not compare it favorably to your heavy-duty splitter, but for backyard firewood, it might be okay with DRY straight wood.
I agree that I AM spoiled a bit by the old pto splitter's speed and power. Yes, this one is a good splitter for any home owner wanting to cut their heating bill. That piece of oak I split was hard as a rock. That one spot where the two pieces just POPPED and flew apart with only a portion of penetration was indicative of the force required on that particular one. Thanks Powrguy for the comment.
I think I like your home made pto drivin machine better aswell but still a good video sir! Happy new year!
Yeah, me too. LOL. It was a needed repair and I thought maybe there might be someone out there with a failing pump that might like to see how easy it is to make it work again. Thanks for stopping in and I'm waiting for a buzz saw video on your channel by the way.....I know you have some flat belts now.....
@@tractorman4461 ya Ive got a solid frost here now unfortunately so I'm a little nervous to try my buzz saw out yet, I'm still doing the old head scratch on how I'ma stake it down lol ive got a big ol' eastern ceder to take down so it will likely be used for all the pole wood off the thing tho we mey be looking at a springtime video unless I can get it good and anchord somehow lol I'll be smiling ear to ear when I do tho
@@ButlerOutdoorsCanada If you have access to a welder you can just weld 4 tabs on the frame with holes to accept some 2 1/2' long rebar driven in at opposing angles. That will hold it securely when you tighten the flat belt up with the tractor. No welder...?? Maybe drill and bolt in place. Hahahaha....you'll do fine, just gotta plan for the worst then avoid it at all costs...LOL. Remember that an old dry flat belt needs to be 'worked in' to stretch out and loosen up the fibres. Then re-adjusted for tightness if it runs off or slips. Actually just a small amount of slippage will toss it off in a split second. A lot of old timers would rig up a wide idler pulley on the return side of the belt too, weighted or sprung to maintain a bit of tension.
@@tractorman4461 I'm embarrassed to say I don't have a welder, I always end up borrowing one when I need it but I think it's probably time I get off my wallet and see what I can find at Canadian tire lol im a buzz saw rookie so I'm about as nervous as I am excited to get it runnin all the snow n ice is also discouraging for a newbie like me lol but I do promise I will get that old thing going with my massey, i just need to gather up the courage
Me personally I like it in the vertical position but I would always sit on a round instead of kneeling but keep up the great videos
I have not doubt there is a way to get used to using the vertical position. I only split one or two pieces to make sure the repair was complete. If it were to stay here, I'd probably use it to a great extent on the larger rounds like that. Thanks William for the input and thank you for watching.
How's she goin'? I agree with your Wendel, a vertical splitter just seems to be a gimmick to me. Nice repair and that splitter is good now!! Take care!!
They do have their place if you've got a fair amount of large ones too big to lift easily to the beam. Bust 'em into 3 or 4 smaller ones then flip to horizontal and go normal. Thanks Mike for the comment this morning my friend.
Has always I Liked,shared. All my very best.
Thanks Bobby for watching another one !! Enjoy the evening and toss another chunk of wood on the fire....Tomorrow will be another day.
And a Fine and Happy New Year to all to 44 Headquarters! Indeed, I know you are spoiled with that high end homemade splitter much older Brother built, no kiddin! Ole DaveyJO does it upright,,,,,,with me splitter, which is 27 ton and does a fine job. Being alone upright is much easier for me. I simply use a piece of wood to be split for a stool and split it last. Works fine. If you have help horizontal works great. But Lille ole me have a hard time luggin those big oak and hickory hunks up on the splitter. Now if I had one of those Peterine splitters, I'm sure I'd be the envy of the whole neighborhood! But what a fine video for this New Years night. A cuppaJO and a 44 Vid? That's good luck if ever there was and Kind Thanks from me Holler to your Holler! DaveyJO
Good Morning my friend and yes, I know for sure there are a ton of people out there that really enjoy the vertical option. As a matter of fact, I was thinking of your fancy machine while I was editing this one for upload. It's just gives me the devil wrestling those darn chunks of wood on my knees. But then again, this is the first and only time I used ANY factory built machine so I really am not qualified to say a whole lot about it at all. LOL. It just needed to be repaired and I HAD to know it worked before my son delivered it to his FIL. He is happy as a lark with it in the wood pile now !! Happy New Year Ol' Buddy,,,sip a little JO ....I am. Take Care !!
Yep, for people like you and I that were born in 1951, we do NOT want to get down on our hands and knees. Besides that, you need a Harley Sportster 1200 engine to operate that I would not bog down.😇
Hahahahaha....it'd be a bit more pleasing to the ears too !! That's a good one Dave. I did see a guy that built a home made band saw that powered it with a Japanese inline 4. Man that thing screamed too !! Take Care and keep the rubber side down if you happen to run in to any snow out there.
@@tractorman4461 I do not have to go anywhere anymore so I will not run into any snow or ice.
Have a great day and a wonderful 2021
hi there question is that a northern hydraulics to northern tool . years i got things from northern hydraulics then they went away . i thought that NH changed then it was NT . well i thought it was the same place but it not . NT infringed on NH . they ant the same place . anyway NH is still out there that is where i got back to going to . like them better . i am sure you also use surplus center . john
Missed notification of your comment John. Yes Northern Tool is Northern Hydraulics. Same place and similar name. Used to be a more basic store but they expanded merchandise exponentially when they changed names.
Whew, can’t imagine splitting for hours at a time on your knees even on dry ground. Seems a bit inconvenient too for getting the next piece to split, would be too much getting up and down. Anyway, good video on the repair and the man should be happy with it.
Thank you for the comment and yes, I do believe he is pretty doggone happy with it. I guess using this to any extent in the vertical position would necessitate using one of those 'pickaroons' I see guys use all the time to keep from bending over so much. You could have a fair stack staged, then kneel down to split and keep pulling more to you with the pickaroon. Now I tell ya, I have an old pickaroon that's gotta be close to a hundred years old and I can't bring myself to use it. I tried it once or twice and it just don't work for me. But for this application, I think I would force myself to learn how to use it efficiently to minimize the effort of getting up and down.
I have a county line log splitter, and it is also a “convertible” splitter, however I never use it in the vertical position. The reason being positioning the large rounds is more then my back can handle on my knees. For that splitter, why don’t you fabricate a hydraulic feed table, and raise it up a bit also relieve stress form his back as well. I think you could handle that little bit of fabrication!lol
Yes Pat, that could easily be accomplished. He just had one or both of his knees replaced, so I'm not sure just how he's using it yet. There is room for design change for sure. I remember your little man's video splitting wood on the County Line....cool video and a hard working lad you have there. Thanks Pat for the comment buddy !
@@tractorman4461 Morning Wendell, I hope you boy is doing good, now I guess that we are not the only ones who need to work smarter not harder! I’m thinking of how to stream line my wood processing as well, just to avoid any more damage or issues.
I have the same opinion of using my splitter in the vertical position and used it only a few times. The way I split big rounds now takes a lot of the human work out of it.
I have a heavy duty (mostly hand made) trailer and its bed is about level with the rail on my splitter. I have a ramp I put on the back of the trailer and use it and a portable winch to winch the rounds up onto the trailer. I back up the trailer so there's a short distance, a couple feet or so, between the rail on the splitter the back of the trailer. Then put a couple of good 2 x 6s between the end of the trailer and the splitter and roll the rounds onto the splitter. Saves a lot of muscle. Takes a little time but I've got more time than muscle.
@@ravenfeather7087 i had a similar set up with heavy duty pallets, stacked right next to the holding tray of my splitter for a bit, but for some reason, I now enjoy the hammer and wedge to help lighten up the load!
Good thing you could refurbish this splitter. That is a good "average Joe" splitter. I used to rent one of those vertical splitters but would put it into a trailer, so I would work standing at a proper height. I had my crane to lift larger rounds. How did you manage to align the love joy coupler? It seems the pump mount does not let you see anything in there. Thanks!
Oh let me tell you Joe, it took a little finagling to align and bolt up. Another situation where I wish Layla could've lent a hand. But you can bump them face to face and gently move around until you feel the engagement, then gently tighten to minimize distortion and smooth operation. Hey like I say, if it was hard, I wouldn't be able to do it !! (-: Thanks for the visit....on to the next one now.
I enjoyed your video. I also have an old Duerr (24 ton) splitter with an 8 HP B&S motor. Had been running fine, but now the ram doesn’t work. Last I split was some large, knarley maple (on the verticle).
At this point I’m suspecting the pump is bad and am thinking of trying to rebuild it but there is no name for a model/brand, just a # on the end. X10.9/2.1
Any thoughts? Should I just get a new pump?
Personally I would just buy a replacement pump. Two stage pumps for wood splitters have become very affordable. Of course the first thing I'd do would to to disassemble the bad one to just see if there happened to be a simple issue. But they can 'look' perfect but be worn beyond tolerance which is what causes the loss of flow issue over a period of time. Farm supply stores are a good source as are Northern Tool stores. The tricky thing is to make sure its not a problem with the control valve though because you may have a faulty internal relief in that.
Had my engine just get tukerd out.
Put a engine on that runs at the full 3,600rpm of the pump. It shaved off about 2sec or so of a round trip off the piston travel time, with no split load.
I think the old push rod Briggs & Stratton engine was only spinning around 3,200rpm~ at best.
With the replacement engine having quite a bit more grunt, it's probably far closer to 7hp then the sub 5hp.
should the pump give up I think a 13 gpm would be well within reason.
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Good luck with what ever you decide !! These little engines just wear out. The rings wear, the cylinders wear, bearings wear.....until they just won't produce the maximum any more as you describe. On the same note, the packing in the cylinders wear, the control valve wears, the pump wears.....we wear out right along with them too !! Thanks Bruce for the comment.
Best ordered one of these for my wood splitter I need a two hose hookup is this just one hose or two holes hook up please comment ASAP so I don't waste $200
It only has one inlet and one outlet on the hydraulic pump.
Great video. Is there a way to change the shaft seal on the pump? Mine is slowly leaking and a new pump is like $600 now (2022). I have a 2009 Troy Built 27ton splitter.
Yes, the shaft seal is replaceable, but it is easier said than done. The seal should have a legible number on it that will cross reference to several different brands. Sometimes the seal will fail because of slight wear on the shaft and if so the new seal will leak fairly quickly. If you feel a wear ring on the shaft where it rides on the seal, check out a company called Redi Seal or Ready Seal. If they are still in business they can supply a very thin sleeve to cover the shaft across the wear spot and keep the new seal from leaking prematurely. If you disassemble it make sure it is in a clean environment because foreign materials admitted to the hydraulic pump are very bad for causing wear. That's probably about an 11 gallon two stage pump on that rig and unless prices have drastically changed, it shouldn't cost that much. Try looking up splitter pumps at Surplus Supply and see what you find. Hopefully something here is of help to you.
@@tractorman4461 Thanks for the reply! Found the pump with northerntools and bought it. $250. Figure let me do whats easier for me.
@@WeatherNut27 I was going to make that the second suggestion. Northern Tool has a store just 20 miles north of me. I got the 11gpm Delavan pump though at a local farm store in town here. Good to see you are on the path to recovery ! Glad to hear it.
How did you prevent losing fluid when you disconnected inlet hose to the pump?
Oh you'll lose a little. It depends on the elevation of the tank in comparison to the fitting. But I'll slip a cap on or elevate the hose quickly higher than the fluid level real quick if possible. You are going to lose some oil no matter what you do. If necessary just keep a clean container to drain the hose into while the repair is being made.
@@tractorman4461 thanks! let me say I am mechanically challenged, I rely on youtube/google and try to follow instructions. I have a troy bilt 27 ton splitter. last week it stalled on auto return and I could not restart it (pull cord only came about a foot). I removed engine and it was ok, the pump however would only turn 180 degrees. I think I can see where one of the gears is catching when I look thru the intake port. The spider bushing was gone and the couplers were chewed up (my lack of tech experience). I'm attempting to replace it but not sure what caused the pump failure (don't want a repeat episode). Any thoughts or recommendations welcomed.
Thanks for the video, I am changing out a pump in homemade splitter. I replaced a 4" cylinder with a 5" and didn't help, replaced the old Honda engine with a 420cc engine, didn't help, so now I've removed the old pump and have it at Northern Tool and Randy there is looking for a replacement. The 5" cylinder is considerably slower moving which is aggravating when splitting alot. Any suggestions on speed adjustment: Also, how do I bleed air when I get it back together?
The only way to increase speed is the increase the flow rate or decrease the quantity required. The latter means a smaller cylinder which decreases capacity because the force applied is lowered. Increasing flow (gpm) means increasing the horse power to move the higher quantity in a given time. NTool should be able to match your engine to the appropriate two stage pump to make the two match. Does this make sense Kevin ?? Thanks for watching and good luck on your project !!
@@tractorman4461 if I understand right I need to go back to the smaller cylinder.
@@kevintaylor8832 yes unless the new motor can handle the greater gpm. The five inch will produce more force, but because there’s more volume of oil required to fill the cylinder it will move slower. I’d put the maximum gpm pump possible that the new motor can handle. If it cannot handle more then the original motor I’d consider going back to the four inch with the new pump. Your Reservoir tank has a vent on it, and it will automatically vent itself as you work the cylinder back-and-forth.You’ll probably notice the pump cavitate a little bit and the cylinder may be jumpy for a few cycles but that is the air being pushed out as its replaced by the oil..
@@tractorman4461 very helpful. One pump Northern Tool mentioned was 11gpm.
@@kevintaylor8832 I think the one I installed on this splitter was a Delavan 11 gpm.
That vertical splitter would be too hard on my lower back and knees.
Well it IS really good for busting bigger pieces into 4, then flip back to horizontal to work standing up, but its actually a little low horizontally even for a shorter person. If I kept it for my own, first thing I'd do would be to put a lower axle with 15'' car tires on it to raise the working height. At the same time getting more working room on the side by shifting the beam to the rear to maintain full function of the tilt feature. I didn't like getting my knees wet in the moist ground....
Hello Mr Tractor Man, my splitter has developed a very slow cycle time. Changeg the fluid and filter, still slow with no visible leaks. Would you recommend a new pump?
I would have to play with it myself to decide, but the three distinct possibilities with your description would be internal bypassing of the controls relief valve, the cylinder packing wearing and bypassing oil or the pumps internals wearing to the point its not developing the flow it used to. I can't make a judgement for you in good faith that's not just a guess. All the components wear over time. The strongest suspicion however would be the pump just wearing out.
@@tractorman4461 Thank you sir. I am going to start with a new pump. It doesn't look to difficult to change out.
Nice job T! I am sure he will be elated to have it back working like new. In my old Columbo fashion, just one question - how did you figure out that the hydraulic pump was broken or worn out, and that it was the problem? And why is it called a 2 stage pump? Ok, I guess that was two questions. LOL. Cheers!
ALL small horsepower splitters have to utilize a two stage pump. What they are basically is a setup internally that operate on two (gear) pumps side by side. One is high flow at low pressure and the other is low flow at high pressure. So when the wood is being split, both stages are pumping the combined amount of oil as the rated gallons per minute....UNTIL.....heavy resistance is felt. At that point internally the pump shifts ('figuratively') to utilize only the low flow pump at the exceptionally high pressure to force on through the tough spot, with noticeably slower ram speed. Once that resistance is dealt with, the internals of the pump reverts back to utilizing the combined gpm off of both pumps. That's why the ram slows down in a hard piece of wood...noticeably slower than normal... its no longer moving the rated gpm. See the small 5, 6, 8 or even 10 hp motors can move that quantity of oil (gpms) against low resistance, but cannot push it against high resistance, so by automatically dropping out the HIGH volume LOW pressure internal pump and only utilizing the HIGH pressure LOW volume pump the small hp of the power unit can continue to move the ram. This is how high capacity in tonnage is achieved by relatively low horsepower.
Our home made splitters utilize industrial SINGLE stage pumps which require the much greater horsepower of these farm tractors to function at such a high ram speed. The pumps we use would take at the very minimum a 25 hp motor to even run them under no or very little load. Any resistance to speak of against the ram would stall the small motors almost instantly. Now I can't speak of the super commercial splitters like Eastonmade or Wolfe Ridge as to what type of pumps they have, but I would suspect they too are two stage. It would be interesting to know for sure.... See, about 95% of the wood that goes through just about any splitter splits with very little actual force. Its that stubborn 5%-10% of the wood that will slow the ram down by going into the low volume high pressure mode. Please GP, bear in mind this is not engineering data that I am quoting....its just stuff I think is close enough to peak your inquisitive nature concerning the subject. So it is not to be considered absolutely accurate, but its close enough to get you into the ballpark and if I know you, by next week at this time you will know more about the subject than I do !! LOL. And to answer your initial question, I knew the pump was bad internally because on perfectly straight soft woods the wedge would barely penetrate, then the ram would just stall without bogging down the motor. That means the motor isn't able to do any work, because there isn't any oil flowing. Then a faulty control valve would sound much differently if the internals were in continual bypass. It didn't have that sound. Thanks my friend for the thought provoking question and hopefully I haven't steered you too far off the course of accuracy. But as always, I stand to be corrected and would welcome the input !!
@@tractorman4461 A good answer to a question that was on my mind as well..
@@ravenfeather7087 I'm glad to have been a help to you. GP has a incredibly wonderful channel and provides new tractor owners and people new to wood processing very helpful videos.
I have the exact same splitter (but in more of a used condition). What hydraulic fluid are you using in yours?
I use AW32 in almost all hydraulic systems on the wood splitters and tractors. Thanks for the question Mark.
Wendell, I have a question for you, do you know of any “garden sized tractors that closely resemble a John Deere M series or, a tricycle tractor that could be a cool wood collector for my boy. Similar to a panzer, or wheel horse, possibly an old cub
Yes, a little Allis Chalmers B would be a good choice. They were pretty much unchanged from ‘37 or ‘38 to ‘50. Most are a simple crank start THATs easy to crank. Nicely tuned it’s usually a quarter turn to fire them up. Simple to work on snd youll have your choice between a distributer or magneto. The C will be almost the same tractor but is usually electric start and crank start. They will most likely have a narrow front end. The cool thing about the B’s though is they are fairly easy to turn into a low rider. They are referred to as a “Bow axle B”. You can turn the front axle upside diwn then invert the final drives and make a neat low rider fir the car shows !! Try googling “Bow axle B low rider” snd see what you find. Might have to add Allis Chalmers to the search. Right now I have two Bs and two Cs to move down the highway. They were in competition fir the truck farmer market with the Cub, John Deere LA and Massey Harris Pony. Plus they were perfect fir the small acreage farmer too. A pony or an LA would be perfect as well. Good luck. The M and MT are both slightly more tractor than these suggestions here.
@@tractorman4461 ok now my search begins, looking to find something before October at a reasonable $, I’m hoping that my channel can take off so I can do things like this for the kids, and let them handle the firewood chores😂😂😂 Like that will ever happen!
Looking for something a little more lawn mower sized, remember we live in NJ, and have woods near by, but we also have neighbors who think they are always right!
@@thesmallwoodlot433 ok. I mistook the John Deere M as though you’re looking slightly larger. Lol. My bad. If that’s the case I would be looking at cub cadet or Bolens or maybe an old wheel horse. Maybe even an Economy. That’s one that would be really cool !! Those would all be horizontal shafted and easy to adapt to an electric start Predator engine from harbor freight. Also the Economy should have 16” rears.
Hey one more thing Economy actually had a factory buzz saw accessory that mounts on the front. Lololol. Supervision required though !!!! LOL.
Hi Tractorman44, TY for the walkthrough!! Recently, my 1.5 HP motor + 11 GPM 2-stage pump electric log splitter is struggling to cut through straight logs. The ram would move up and down without any issue when there is NO resistance. However, when the ram meets resistance (i.e. medium size straight log), I hear the motor cranking hard but the ram does not move any further to split the wood. The motor is trying so hard, it actually pops the electric circuit breaker. I noticed the splitter progressively getting weaker and weaker in the past 3 months. After some research, I believe the hydraulic pump needs to be replaced. What are your thoughts on this?
BTW, I have an older version of the 16 Ton model here: www.ramsplitter.com/electric-log-splitters.html
Well its really hard to be sure without physically being there to operate it. The part that is confusing is the motor tripping the breaker. That usually means it is over loaded and with a weakened pump that is no longer producing the required pressure, the 'load' on the motor would be lessened. That's the rub here. A weakening (worn) pump loses its capacity to pump the full flow of oil, and a weakened relief valve puts the machine in bypass or partial bypass more easily and both should reduce the amperage load on the motor. On the surface though, it sounds as though you are describing a worn pump. All I can give you for sure is wishes for good luck with the repair. One more thing....a long or light guage extension cord will cause voltage drop and cause the amperage of the motor to increase proportionately. Voltage and amperage have an inverse proportion.
Try lift'n 36+ diameter 26" long , then you can appreciate the vertical........... and the 34 ton......... when u-'z solo split'n.
Oh heck yeah BubbG, I get that for sure. There sure IS a place where the vertical function comes in handy. My bigger home made one 'kneels' down to the ground to bust 'em in two or three. It stays in the horizontal position to just roll them onto the beam. Not the easiest on the really big pieces. The biggest I can remember busting was 52'' diameter. Thanks for the input and have a wonderful week.
WHAT NO BEARD?
LOLOL....yep...funny thing about whiskers is the just come and go...and they are back again already !! LOL. I gotta admit though, sometimes (actually a lot of times) there is a lag between recording and uploading. Life around here gets busy..... Thanks for noticing !!
Feelin spoiled with yer horizontal? I figure thats what it feels like to wrestle in the mud with a big ol hog.
Hahahahahaha....been there and done that too !! I was shoveling corn into the crib once as a wee lad of about 12. Sows and pigs were rummaging around the corn wagon sucking up a bit of spillage and the old Hampshire boar come strolling by the side and just stood there. Hey, I'm 4' tall and bulletproof so I just dropped onto his back to ride him like one of the old cows or heifers.....yeah right !! Off we went like greased lightning and I found out quickly...man...there ain't nothin' to hold on to on a hogs back !! Never made it halfway to the 8 second rodeo bell but it was a fun ride while it lasted !! Yep...just to the center of the mud wallow. Nuff said...... Thanks Mike for bringing that quick little snippet to the surface. LOL Have a GREAT New Year !!
Lol! Thankz for yer first ride on a hog story! Know it wasn't the last.bet you could write a book on your childhood?
@@mikeadams2339 hahahaha...probably so, but I ain't sure anybody would read it....LOL.