Roger is rich because when the city built the new middle school, they bought the trailer park where he and his mom lived, but they didn't rent a lot, they owned their lot. Since they'd already bought the rest of the trailer park, Roger's mom was able to charge the Bluffs far more than the lot was actually worth.
The fact we shy away subjects that make us uncomfortable is exactly why mental health is such an issue. Some children do struggle with mental health and body image issues and burying our heads in the sand just makes things worse
This is true, but I'm not sure a cartoon is the ideal format for this especially when you cannot talk to actual children and let them air their current problems and issues they are dealing with. I think having an open discussion would go a long way for children but I am not sure if the education system will support that. It's a shame
@@walker1984 You're thinking of approaching an adult with the issue. You can't do that with children, they're on a whole other wavelength and can't comprehend the logical way adults think. You have to appeal to a more emotional and demonstrative method of teaching. Don't just sit them down and list off a bunch of bullet points from a doctor's pamphlet, *show them* what it's like, put them in the shoes of a character they like or relate with and have the character go through mistakes or falters to demonstrate what could or will happen, and then how to correct these mistakes.
@@birthdayfruitecake8158 Tbf Fred Newman was pushing 50 when the Disney series was being made. I think it was getting tougher for him to do the Skeeter voice as the years went on.
It always bothered me that Connie being a heavyset girl in the Nickelodeon series was never acknowledged here. You would think she would be sympathetic to Patty’s worries given she literally went through a similar thing, but they ignore it as if the Nickelodeon series is not canon to the Disney series. I will say tho, Mr. Dink’s “I’m strangely repulsed” line is the episode’s highlight, I’m glad you included it
well, canonically, connie was never bothered by her weight and literally only roger and his goonies ever bullied her for it (and they bullied everyone for anything) and it completely solved itself over a growth spurt, that said, it would have been more realistic if connie was the one actually afraid to become the heavy one again
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254probably the only person to go to fat camp and 1 actually lose a significant amount of weight and 2 claims to have had a great time there.
This episode is just a female version of the Nickelodeon episode where Doug spent a weekend at his grandmas and came back slightly overweight from being over fed by his grandma (because that’s what grandma’s do. Feed their grand babies). And at the same time he was invited by Bebe for a swim party and Doug felt self conscious about his weight and had day dreams of being overweight all the time until he stumbled upon an ad to workout. He does his best to workout but he still feels self conscious about his body because he worked off the weight he gained from when he was at his grandmas. Also a lot of the other kids were self conscious about their own appearances as well on the day of the swim party.
@@oooh19I think it's normal to become aware that you are being judged on your body, but developing an eating disorder shouldn't be shrugged off as "normal." Putting ourselves on crash diets, especially in adolescence, is unhealthy and should be portrayed as such.
@@misspinkpunkykat Skeeter became a writer for a cryptozoology magazine and programmed his own video games on the side, like that dude he met in college.
@@ghosters1072 I always saw Skeeter marrying BeaBea who IDK I always saw as growing up to become a police officer or firefighter or EMT. Al and Lou the twins are either scientists, or engineers. Connie is a therapist, Patty maybe a veterinarian (I originally said teacher then remembered the horse episode from the Nick series. Maybe she's a professor at a veterinary school?) Judy Funnie is a famous actress and drama teacher. Rodger, I could see as a respected kindergarten teacher. Just because he's mean as a kid doesn't mean he'll stay mean. They're only 12 in the original series and he's had a lot of time to grow up. He's mostly mean because he feels his father abandoned him and is jealous of the other kids who do have an active father in their lives. Doug married Patty and they adopted a little boy from a third world country and although he may not look like Doug, physically, he's defiantly his father's son.
Does anyone remember that this wasn't the first time Doug covered body-shaming? Like, in the old Nick show there was an episode where Doug gained weight at his grandma's and people ragged on him relentlessly, and he began over-dieting and exercising to get the weight off in a super short amount of time so he can go to a pool party. Then, lets not ignore the stark slimdown Connie got during the Nick-to-Disney transfer. I feel like Disney was trying to subconsciously sell us something toxic about body types here...and when they failed they made this episode.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. In that episode on the original run Connie just kind of chuckles about being chubby and tells Doug it's ok to be yourself. But the Disney version made her thin like all the other girls.
My far too forgiving brain just assumed they removed those resources at the the end because they became outdated. No point showing a number that doesn't have anyone attached anymore.
@@someTransChick They could have replaced the scene with something else, thing is making people sick is helpful to big pharma... Who wants wellness when you can charge people to not get sick?
I think this scene may have been removed because the number is outdated now, and if someone called it, on the other side it could be picked up by some random person who didn't even know that their number is in some old TV show.
I really doubt that because other television shows keep in their old numbers from very special episodes. It’s certainly possible, but I imagine that it was simply removed after the first time it ran, because Shawn said it was done in syndication. Meaning it would’ve been while the show was still running and the number would still be active.
@@rionaka8835its also possibly people prank called the numbers and the website didn't surivive the attempts to access it so they were asked to remove them, since they're all the way at the end, they could've been cut with the credits like so many shows were (to squeeze in that one more ad block somewhere)
That's exactly what I was thinking. The last thing Rickey Rats would want is some a bunch of complaints that their kids called those numbers a decade later and they have turned into something like a sex line or some disgusting group trying to prey on children's innocent idiocy.
As sad as it is, something I’ve noticed as a parent is that other parents will often just shut down a lot of conversations because they find them too uncomfortable or they think their kids are too young. Something I told my oldest child when he started school was that if he in any way felt unsafe or there was something he needed to talk about to tell an adult. If the adult he talked to makes him feel unheard or even more unsafe then to come to me or dad.
@@oneofakind9995 I hope they learn eventually. Something important I’ve learned about being a parent is that we do have to own up to our mistakes. We also need to apologize to our children when we do mess up, just because they’re children doesn’t mean they don’t deserve our full respect. We shouldn’t let our issues get in the way of talking about things that need to be talked about.
Doug looks like he ought to be living in the Texas town of Arlen where propane salesman Hank Hill lives, and be one of his across the street neighbors as well as the ace reporter for the Arlen Bystander.
This is probably the best very-special-ED-episode I've seen, TBH. The writers got a lot right. My only real complaint is the too simple ending. It's a shame censors targeted it. Especially since it's one of the better Disney's Doug episodes.
I will say, as someone who has endured an eating disorder, what Patty goes through is exactly how it can downspiral fast. They even got the dizziness and slurring of her words down pretty right; I had gotten bad enough to a point where I couldn't form words correctly when I tried to speak. It was kind of scary. That said, there's no way to tackle this kind of topic without making it a proper special because the recovery process is such a bitch to get through. It's not easy, it's not a switch you turn on or off. The psychological component behind it basically takes over your mind and you have to learn how to regain control of yourself. There's also long-term damage you have to live with sometimes too, depending how bad it gets and if you relapse too, which is always a real possibility. It took a couple years for me to get to a point where I'm basically indifferent to past triggers. I can no longer run, unless I take a puff of an inhaler because I damaged my pulmonary system. I have some minor brain damage, primarily just memory is a mess and my math skills are no longer where they used to be. i luckily do not have any noticeable heart damage, but I would not be surprised if there was some. But I do believe in bringing awareness to the disorder because it is by far one of the deadliest mental illnesses out there. I think the best way to wrap up a topic like this for a kids show is to basically have the character going to see a psych team (psychiatrist, therapist, dietitian, etc.) to get help, and show that the character admits they still need to keep working on their problem cause it isn't easy, but that they're on the right healthy path again. It's okay to show that a problem isn't completely resolved at the end, but that there is still hope because the character is getting help to overcome it eventually.
I remember seeing this exact episode, and was amazed it was ever made to begin with. Like yourself, I believe the storyline should have been more realistic with Patty's recovery ( having the writers bringing in dieticians and psychologists specializing in eating disorders as consultants); just like Eliza getting shot in "Gargoyles", Patty's recovery should have been given more than the "30 min. quick fix" that only sit-coms and Saturday morning cartoons offer.
@@clydefroschI mean you’re not wrong but I’m willing to give Doug some slack because he was partially distracted by his own goals at the time and he still caught onto Patty hurting herself and tried to stop it well before things went too far, it was Patty’s own stubbornness and the coach being a moron that ultimately led to the volunteer finally stepping in and putting an end to this
Yeah but I think to someone who is stressing about something like that, even a sarcastic answer can make you feel like it's true. The same way she would overhear something that isn't even about her, or her weight; even though it wasn't telling her to lose weight, when she was already in her head about it, it was enough to serve as confirmation to her.
sarcastically as in: he intended to be cruel. or ironically meaning: he was saying the opposite of his sincere belief as a joke or for effect? I think Doug was being ironic, and he did not realize how insensitive it was, because he was too busy to realize this was a serious issue for Patty.
I remember part of the episode of American Dad. I mostly remember seeing what Stan looked like through his eyes versus what he looked like to everyone else. I was shocked to see him all skin and bones!
As someone who struggled with an eating disorder, not eating and reminiscing on no longer eating like normal is HEAVILY romanticized so the whole “reminder for when you used to eat” just hurt real bad cause that’s how I did see it, I’d think I’d finally look good and people will comment how good I look and I’d think about how I used to eat compared to not anymore and actually feel good thankfully I’m in a much better place now, eating how I should and not feeling shame or guilt for occasionally snacking, got a dog and walking and playing with him every day keeps me active enough too!
The sad thing is how believable that was for a 90's coach. One coach at my school told someone with a sprained ankle to walk it off and had a bad attitude when they insisted on going to the nurse. The parents were furious but it was the 90's so nothing really changed.
Those phone numbers and Websites weren't edited out because of censorship. They were cut out because they're out dated. Those numbers and website address went defunct a long time ago. They remove resource numbers and web addresses from special episodes in rerun because some of those shows can be reshown many years later and the numbers are no longer helpful.
The PSA was removed because they don't exist anymore, and likely haven't for quite some time. The website is long since defunct and the phone lines are now for strictly for substance abuse and addiction.
Trying to tackle something serious in a TV Show and sometimes Movies isn't a terrible thing to do. It helps what most People are going through in real life.
I completely agree! That’s why I was so surprised about how they censored this episode! The part they cut out definitely could have been helpful to people who might be struggling with a similar problem irl. Thanks for being here, my friend! 😊
@@DuskTillShawn No problem. And its like I said, trying to tackle something serious can still help People. Heck, I bet you can related to most TV and Movie Characters growing up.
The only logical explanation for Roger’s pet cat Stinky not showing up in the movie was because Stinky had to undergo specialized surgery at the veterinarian clinic in Doug’s old hometown of Bloatsburg.
@@thebolas000 yes bit she is so much more not just you know a random volunteer, I wanted to make sure we all know that this is a very important person in Patty's life hence why her words carry more weight.
@@AmethystTheEspeon yup by this point in the series sje had been dating Patty's dad for a while and honestly Patty loved having her around and was very happy when theu got married at the end of the series, so Miss Crystal standing up to the coach that was a mama bear moment.
In heyArnold Harold was trying to lose weight in a weight camp but instead he gained so in the episode he lost weight until he went back to his original self
Nickelodeon actually did have an episode of Doug where he goes to his grandma's house for the week and eats a lot. Soon after, he's invited to a pool party. Self-concious about his body, he also sees a weight loss ad and begins working out. Don't know if that was what you were meaning, but it's out there.
We see it all the time, actually - girls get more attention for it because they're also expected to be attractive and thin; boys get a LOT more leeway; even if fat people in general are looked down on and mocked on a broader scale, the line for where "fat" starts is a LOT higher for boys than it is for girls. And that... kinda sucks, tbh. As a kid I got bullied _mercilessly_ for my weight, and now as an adult, people are like "no, you're really handsome, you should be more confident," and I get to explain to them that I mentally and physically CANNOT be confident because that was brutally crushed out of me at every possible opportunity by people calling me a fat, disgusting, unlovable pig. And having it suddenly turn around and be like "you're actually handsome now" just feels like you're being gaslit. Because you are, actually.
@@DuskTillShawn Indeed. I hope to meet him one day as not only he is my favourite voice actor, but Futurama is my favourite animated series. So far I have had the pleasure of meeting John DiMaggio and Phil LaMarr (the latter of who has used my art work to sign at Comic Cons). In a few months, I get to meet Katey Sagal!
This episode really hits home for me nowadays. Throughout most of my life I was fat and was often bullied for it. I tried going to the gym, but just could not commit. It wasn't until 2019 when I started taking it seriously. I ate less and exercised three times a day, and less than a year later, I had lost over 120 pounds. But this is where I went wrong. Afterwards, I became so hyper fixated on what I was eating, so much so that I refused to eat any sort of meat, junk food, etc. I kept losing weight, sure, but I also looked terrible. Another year passed and I had lost another 80 pounds, being only 142. But what frightened my family was how I looked. I looked like a skeleton with skin draped over it. I got dizzy easily and just felt way too light. After talking with my cousin who had gone through his own weight loss journey, I learned just how badly I had messed up. I'm 6'4, and according to him, my ideal weight should be around 209 to 219, not 142. I looked at myself in the mirror and realized this, and after that I began eating better while slowing down my exercise to only once a day. I'm still trying to balance out my diet, but I feel a million times better now. Weight loss isn't easy. It'll exhaust you, it'll test your patience, and it'll strain your body, but it's very much worth losing the weight. However, don't overdo it, because you could wind up like me and feel drained and weak rather than strong and energized.
@@dennisluchesi Yeah, I was in big denial mode during that time. I thought because I was skinnier and lighter that I was doing good, but that was far from the truth. Luckily, I was able to recover pretty easily. Now it's just about finding a decent diet to go on. XD
I just called that Girl Power hotline at 19:41 - It's a phone sex line now... I don't remember this episode, but there was another episode of Doug where he was self-conscious because he gained a bunch of weight staying at his grandma's house where she constantly fed him big meals and desserts. Strange that one show would have at least two different weight episodes. This is an issue I've also struggled with. As a teenager I was anorexic for a while because I had serious body image issues. The longest I went without eating was a 3-week stretch before I passed out in my house with no one home. When I came to I decided my parents having a dead body to deal with was worse than society having a chubby body to look at and started eating again. I never told anyone because I'm a male and back then that wasn't something associated with guys. Everyone just thought I was exercising and eating better when it was the exact opposite. I couldn't even muster the energy to stand up without getting dizzy, a very accurate part of this Doug episode. If this is something you're going thought right now please reach out to someone because the consequences can mess up your body for life. This episode started strong with the message but didn't really provide any solutions to the actual problem that leads to eating disorders.
Is incredibly important to tackle difficult topics in cartoons. In fact I wish they did tackled harsher topics. This how a child can understand something isn't okay, even if they don't fully understand why Honestly, if parents arent comfortable talking about difficult topics with children, they shouldnt have children at all
THIS!!!! 100%. It’s important that shows tackle these kinds of issues in a way that can lead to a healthy conversation. As a dad, transparency with my kids is very important to me. I couldn’t agree more with all of your points. Thanks for watching, friend!
One of the harsher topics I'd like to be handled in a cartoon is SA ( sexual assault) they don't have to show it explicitly but in a way that a kid can understand what it is
Man, the ending of this episode just…. Didn’t scratch that itch. They could have wrapped it up so much better. I bet Nickelodeon’s Doug would have ended it perfectly, though… 🧐
Agreed 100%. Honestly, I bet if this episode was made under Nickelodeon's umbrella, it would have been waaaaay different... Thanks for being here, friend!
Roger, Ned, Willie, Boomer, Chalky, Skeeter, and those oddball twins are probably now working as self-employed drivers of their very own semi trucks. Even former Bluffington Mayor White (Willie’s dad) now drives a vintage Western Star semi truck, which he also owns. Doug’s living happily in Arlen, Texas, where he’s employed as the ace reporter for the local newspaper called the Arlen Bystander, which also gives him an outlet for his personal comic book creation “QUAILMAN” while Patti’s the librarian of Tom Landry Middle School.
@@TheeCharmaine If you've seen it you should know. If you have and are still asking why you're not too bright. You can read my article "We Need to Talk About The Body Shaming Episode of “Arthur”
After calling both numbers at the end of the episode I can see why its not there. Girl power just connects me to "The hottest place to chat with hot single girls" and the mental health Institute just told me that I can get a free Caribbean cruise if I answer some questions.
The weird thing is that Sleech twins who aren’t good looking were booing that girl on tv when they’re not even conventionally attractive themselves so there’s an element of sexism
I'm not sure they are very selfaware in that regard anyways. they're confident like martin in simpsons, they value intellect so high, they naturally assume that everyone else does too and thus, believe they're pretty far up on any metric
It has nothing to do with sexism and it's ridiculous you went there with it. Lots of unattractive people do this, men and women both, it's kind of part of the human condition tbh. You don't think some fat girls have boo'd the ugly nerd character and cheered for the handsome jock?
I strongly remember this episode due to the scene where Patty is using some escalators as treadmills. I dont really remember the episode in great detail or anything, i just remember trying to do that on an escalator myself and getting yelled at by a security guard.
Tell it to Jean Stapleton aka Edith Bunker who thinks that tunafish salad, carrot sticks, and an orange is a healthy lunch in the classic “ALL IN THE FAMILY” episode titled “ARCHIE’S WEIGHTY PROBLEM”!
I was really taken aback by the old man at the start of weight loss advert I think that he is the most human looking character in the whole series of Doug
I’d give anything to see Lamar Bone in a confrontation with Beavis and Butthead, not to mention Bud Dink enjoying a beer in the company of propane salesman Hank Hill.
13:57 Patty logging that her spray contains 0g of fat reminds me of the 90's low fat craze when everyone thought low fat foods meant you wouldn't gain weight. I'm glad we learned from that and keep track of actual nutrition now. Also, those services weren't censored at the end, they have changed, so they were removed. The phone numbers are still around, but they connect you to different help centers. The AOL URL is dead and just goes to the AOL homepage.
Do you think they censored it out because those resources aren't live anymore? The URL is an AOL subdomain so I would say that's very likely. How long did it run in it's original form until it was altered?
They obviously had put her on a crash diet and somehow persuaded her to follow the philosophy of 1 CORINTHIANS 11:15 from The New Testament, which would obviously explain why she also has longer hair in this version.
It's so insanely important for people, especially young ones to have access to support for these kinds of things. I'm almost 30 and I've struggled with BDD and eating disorders for as long as I can remember. I've been in therapy for it for a while now and it's helped tremendously, but even now I still relapse sometimes. It breaks my heart knowing that there are so many people going through the same thing and having no form of support. Super video as always, thanks for what you do :)
The episode were Doug was invited to the pool party after going to his grandma's house and gaining weight was better at tackling this issue. This episode was so mean spirited and didn't solve the problematic in the end.
It’s a shame they didn’t include that your body will cling to any fat it gets if you starve yourself my doctor told me that when I was frustrated I wasn’t losing weight
Personally, I thought it was a good message. Dont become obese, treat your body right but dont get carried away. Its a good message, especially for kids whose bodies are changing.
The irony of these weight loss fads, the models get surgery to help maintain that body. A good portion of them part does works out, but it’s due to working out since childhood. You are in control of your health, not what TV or internet says!
this is too true, it's how you grew up and how you maintained your body up until adulthood that somewhat "shapes" your body in the future. It's overly complicated, but overthinking the process is definetely not good to think about either. intuitive eating could be more suggested as it's not a diet, your more listening to your bodies hunger cues, and what you really need vs what you want in the moment.
Does it not occur to you that they edited that part out because it was on rerun and they could not guarantee the contact details are still valid every time the episode gets replayed?
Here’s my take: Growing up, the idea of even going to seek help for any mental health issues was taboo in my household. I tried to kill myself at 17; when I asked my parents if I could see a psychologist or a psychiatrist, I was told no, as would be something that would ruin my future. Turns out that my parents were full of shit. I don’t know how many of my fellow Generation X and Millennial friends - and even you Zoomer and Alpha kids, for that matter - out there also experienced this growing up, but considering what happened with this episode of Doug, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was pretty common.
Man, all i can say is that i've been Listening to your vids in the background while i work on my computer and let me tell you, you make my shifts way smoother
Something that took me completely off guard is that it wasn't magazines or the media that caused me to develop an ED... it was my doctor telling me I had high cholesterol...! Because the only instruction I got from my doctor was "Exercise more and eat healthier." Literally, that's all I was told. I had no knowledge whatsoever about nutrition, so my first instinct immediately was to restrict my eating and exercise a bunch. I lost weight so fast, and now I am constantly asking myself "Can I eat this or have I reached my limit for saturated fat today?" I slipped into that mindset out of pure fear that "if I don't lose weight and get my cholesterol down, I'll have a heart attack and die." Eating disorders can be born from all kinds of things. All that idea has to do is lead you toward obsessing over the food that you eat. It makes you literally afraid to eat. What's so funny to me (in a macabre way) is that gold sandwich necklace that Patty won as a "reminder of the food she used to eat." I have literally been in the grocery store, passed an aisle with my favorite cereal or something like that, and just about cried because I've convinced myself that I'm no longer "allowed" to have it. It really does seem like the "golden food" that you wish you could win back someday. I've been trying to re-learn how to let myself eat what I want to eat without being terrified of raising my cholesterol... It's a long, ongoing process, mostly because I can't see the results right away. I have no idea what my cholesterol numbers are until I get my blood drawn. So I can only guess and hope I'm not screwing up. That kind of "unknown" factor is terrifying. It's a terrible mindset to sink into and SO difficult to climb back out. Fear is such a powerful motivator/inhibitor...!
In my opinion, Coach Spitz is by far the most hatable character in Doug. Some people say Mr. Bones' nephew, Percy Femur is the worst, but Percy is a kid, whereas Spitz is not only an adult, but an authority figure and therefore should know better.
I’d give anything to have Percy Femur in a round of fisticuffs with Milton Farnsworth Thatherton of Thatherton Fuels of Arlen, Texas, and Spitz now coaching the football 🏈 team of Tom Landry Middle School. Whereas, Lamar Bone just after three cans of Alamo Beer would start singing “LITTLE BROWN JUG”, and in need of a good dose of black coffee ☕️ while Bud Dink is better able to moderate his beer consumption.
I’m a FedEx package handler and I move boxes out of the trailer and onto the conveyor belt all morning. I need calories for work cuz most of it’ll be gone in the very early morning. Calories are incinerated when I lift the heavy boxes out of the trailer, and that’s why I have burgers and burritos and cookies and candies and cakes and crisps and crackers and Doritos and peeps and pies and pizzas and pasta and pancakes and tacos and tapioca to thank
As someone who struggled with eating disorder for years. It can be overwhelming at times. I used to wear a watch eat something. I would go out get ready and not have breakfast. Go to out almost point of fainting. My co saw how skinny I have gotten. To the point you see ribs. I have gotten better 5 years stronger.
I've been disabled since early childhood so I've been fat my whole life because it's hard to exercise when all your joints hurt so I've been judged and overtly TORTURED for being fat, being disabled, and being a ginger. I was so targeted by my peers in middle school that the administration KICKED ME OUT and had me home schooled because, and I quote, "She's a distraction to the other students" because a dozen kids decided that dumping me out of my wheelchair and moving desks to make it so I couldn't get to my desk. Administration knew my mother was a mentally ill addict so they locked a disabled child in an apartment with an abusive parent and sent a teacher over once per month to collect my work. Orange Grove Middle School in Tucson was hell for me in the early 90's. I've been openly mocked by strangers as an adult and I've only been a shirt size XL and pant size 18 for 80% of my adult life so I'm still just slightly above American average. It's because of the combo of weight and needing crutches or a walker to get around. This country is so fucked up. Even in 2024 in the height of Woke horseshit it's still acceptable to ridicule and mock people that are ugly.
I'm gonna assume the PSA right at the end got cut out because those phone numbers and websites no longer work. I imagine it'd be weird if a kid watched the episode now and was flashed with a phone number that no longer belongs to that institution. The fact the website had "AOL" in the name is what makes me think that.
I wonder if the editing out is due to those numbers to no longer being accessible, (especially the website) but also because if it’s streaming now and has an international audience, so other countries can’t access that info?
a particularly sad thing is is as impossibly scummy as it is for the predatory ad right after the show was its a pretty real thing that happens, just normally its done much more subtly and pattys actions arent far off from how a lot of kids and teens react in those situations
@@oooh19 Maybe get him fired and replaced with a coach who knew better not to push kids to their limits and encourage eating disorders. Patty's father should have taken her to a therapist as well.
@alicedelgado955 losing your job is not the same as being taken to court. Yes he should have been fired but it doesn't take a lawsuit to make that happen, your response does not fit the person you were replying to
The reason the ending about the mental health contacts was removed was that the numbers were no longer available as what they used to be when first shown.
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Damn, that "Fatti Mayonnaise" joke made me laugh my dinner out.
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I'm thinking that they may have removed the resources because they could be out of date (this is an episode that was first aired in 1997 after all. I don't know if more recent resources could be added retroactively but I think it would be good to do so since this is still a very relevant issue. The parent complaints or hesitancy to have the percieved uncomfortable convos with their kids could have been a factor as well. Who knows? Maybe there were a lot of calls from kids thinking they had the issue or just pranking. The PSA doesn't seem to encourage parental supervision when calling like others at the time. idk why I pinpointed the censor so much but there ya go. Great vid btw Shawn!
Glad you’re talking about Doug I was wondering how you felt about Nickelodeon’s Doug I thought you weren’t born with that version of Doug and I’m glad you like that version of Doug I’m not alone nice video
I love Doug. It’s a show that I feel like I haven’t given enough love to on this channel and I definitely want to dive into it more in the future. Doug may have premiered before I was born, but even as a young kid, it was clear to me that Nickelodeon’s Doug was LEAGUES better than Disney’s 😁 Thanks for being here, friend! I appreciate you!
@@DuskTillShawn yes no problem we might not like every cartoon but I’m here with you for the rest of the cartoons we all grew up with can’t wait for your next cartoon video
@@DuskTillShawn and then yeah I saw a couple of episodes of the Disney version of Doug yeah it was a little bit weird with the animation and the voice i can definitely understand how people feel though I try to be open minded as well too try to see both sides of it but I definitely get it too again I’m not alone yes love the original series
Oh... Disney literally buried this classic nicktoon. There was really nothing memorable about Disney's version. It was done to intentionally with malice. How they got away with it is anyone's guess, but Doug should've ended when the creative jungle weed ran out.
Roger: “Hey, Funnie! What do you think of my wheels? All 18 of them?” Doug: “Interesting that you would select a 1953 Peterbilt 351 with a sleeper. Amazing paint scheme of green with the white stripe and red bordering. Only why a reefer trailer that’s not quite as vintage as the truck?” Roger: “That’s easily explained, I prefer flat pad landing gears on a trailer to the older style wheel shaped on older trailers. Anyway, I happened to have a hunch that you were possibly living here in Texas now, and I need to get this load of empty propane tanks for gas fired barbecue grills to a place in this town called Strickland Propane. Do you know how to get there from here?” Doug: “My neighbor Hank Hill who lives across the street from me, he works there. In fact, he’ll even lead the way for you, Roger.” Roger: “Good thinking, Funnie! Let’s go ask him.”
I remember the Disney version Roger’s rich because phoebe’s dad needed to buy a plot of land Roger’s mom owned and she sold it to him for a small fortune
If I remember right, that phone number was actually ADDED in rebroadcasts on ABC, because of the subject matter. The only reason to remove it would be because of dead links and phone numbers. The only question is why the branding of "Girl Power". I also remember the episode where Patty was going to sing in a competition for a new Bluffington anthem, but she her singing voice was awful, and Doug had to lie about her singing just to make her feel better, which only made him feel more guilty.
Are those numbers and website even still current? That seems like a good reason to censor that; I guess making a new title card would have been better. Im sure someone else mentioned this.
Roger is rich because when the city built the new middle school, they bought the trailer park where he and his mom lived, but they didn't rent a lot, they owned their lot. Since they'd already bought the rest of the trailer park, Roger's mom was able to charge the Bluffs far more than the lot was actually worth.
He was revealed to be Rich in the original series, not just the Disney series.
Good. I am so happy someone stuck it to those damn Bluffs.
@@gravethebeyond even if it was fucking roger lmao
This man just spoiled the entire plot of Yakuza 0
Why did this show have this level of thought put into this?! I did not expect that
"Waist Away" is pretty clever, though.
Definitely.
The fact we shy away subjects that make us uncomfortable is exactly why mental health is such an issue. Some children do struggle with mental health and body image issues and burying our heads in the sand just makes things worse
This is true, but I'm not sure a cartoon is the ideal format for this especially when you cannot talk to actual children and let them air their current problems and issues they are dealing with. I think having an open discussion would go a long way for children but I am not sure if the education system will support that. It's a shame
And parents who can't explain it to their own kids and rather blame someone else for it. Makes it easier to be a bad parents. No accountability!
@@walker1984 You're thinking of approaching an adult with the issue. You can't do that with children, they're on a whole other wavelength and can't comprehend the logical way adults think.
You have to appeal to a more emotional and demonstrative method of teaching. Don't just sit them down and list off a bunch of bullet points from a doctor's pamphlet, *show them* what it's like, put them in the shoes of a character they like or relate with and have the character go through mistakes or falters to demonstrate what could or will happen, and then how to correct these mistakes.
@@walker1984 what are you talking about? That all not true.
@RighteousnessWillPrevail what are you talking about? Talking to children is untrue how?
You can tell it's Disney because Skeeter sounds like an off-brand Mickey Mouse that Disney picked up anyways.
But Skeeter's VA didn't change. The only actor who was replaced was Billy West.
@@newguy371 Damn, that's... that's sad. ...Well Skeeter does sound similar but he sounds higher pitched in this one.
Reverse puberty
@@pharmcat8484 fairly odd parents cosmo syndrome.
@@birthdayfruitecake8158 Tbf Fred Newman was pushing 50 when the Disney series was being made. I think it was getting tougher for him to do the Skeeter voice as the years went on.
It always bothered me that Connie being a heavyset girl in the Nickelodeon series was never acknowledged here. You would think she would be sympathetic to Patty’s worries given she literally went through a similar thing, but they ignore it as if the Nickelodeon series is not canon to the Disney series.
I will say tho, Mr. Dink’s “I’m strangely repulsed” line is the episode’s highlight, I’m glad you included it
I think she mentions going to a fat camp at some point? I vividly remember that.
Even Doug himself went through this very same thing.
well, canonically, connie was never bothered by her weight and literally only roger and his goonies ever bullied her for it (and they bullied everyone for anything) and it completely solved itself over a growth spurt, that said, it would have been more realistic if connie was the one actually afraid to become the heavy one again
@clydefrosch Well she was sent to weight loss camp
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254probably the only person to go to fat camp and 1 actually lose a significant amount of weight and 2 claims to have had a great time there.
"I disdain what Disney did to Doug"
Well you just earned yourself a subscription.
😆 great minds think alike!!
Seriously though, they butchered this show lmao.
@@DuskTillShawn Funny enough, the only piece of Doug merchandice I own is the Movie on VHS and another one called "The Vampire Caper"
Star Wars: first time?
@@tomlinson1710 What?
Eh I didn’t really hate it but at the same time I won’t defend episodes like this.
This episode is just a female version of the Nickelodeon episode where Doug spent a weekend at his grandmas and came back slightly overweight from being over fed by his grandma (because that’s what grandma’s do. Feed their grand babies). And at the same time he was invited by Bebe for a swim party and Doug felt self conscious about his weight and had day dreams of being overweight all the time until he stumbled upon an ad to workout. He does his best to workout but he still feels self conscious about his body because he worked off the weight he gained from when he was at his grandmas. Also a lot of the other kids were self conscious about their own appearances as well on the day of the swim party.
Sounds like every Silent or Boomer Generation problem when it comes to overfeeding the next generation.
Isn’t it normal to some degree to have body image issues and whatnot especially when you’re growing up?
@@oooh19I think it's normal to become aware that you are being judged on your body, but developing an eating disorder shouldn't be shrugged off as "normal." Putting ourselves on crash diets, especially in adolescence, is unhealthy and should be portrayed as such.
Yeah however, in that episode, Doug actually ate, but healthier foods.
It could be disordered eating as well, but he didn’t starve himself
@@Sketch89 I was more pointing out the body image issue not the eating disorder part.
"I'm strangely repulsed! And yet attracted..."
That needs to become a new reaction gif.
That’s definitely memeworthy
Yes 😆
Scaroused?
Has the same energy as Johnny Bravo's "I'm sickened... but curious."
Mr.Dink! 😂
Can we all agree that Doug ended with the graduation episode on Nickelodeon and Disney Doug was just a collective bad dream?
This is the only true answer lmao 😆
Unpopular opinion: I liked the Disney version ok but the Nick version way more
A bad fever dream. They graduated, went to college. Doug became a writer of a well loved children's series called Quail Man. Patty became a teacher.
@@misspinkpunkykat Skeeter became a writer for a cryptozoology magazine and programmed his own video games on the side, like that dude he met in college.
@@ghosters1072 I always saw Skeeter marrying BeaBea who IDK I always saw as growing up to become a police officer or firefighter or EMT. Al and Lou the twins are either scientists, or engineers. Connie is a therapist, Patty maybe a veterinarian (I originally said teacher then remembered the horse episode from the Nick series. Maybe she's a professor at a veterinary school?) Judy Funnie is a famous actress and drama teacher. Rodger, I could see as a respected kindergarten teacher. Just because he's mean as a kid doesn't mean he'll stay mean. They're only 12 in the original series and he's had a lot of time to grow up. He's mostly mean because he feels his father abandoned him and is jealous of the other kids who do have an active father in their lives. Doug married Patty and they adopted a little boy from a third world country and although he may not look like Doug, physically, he's defiantly his father's son.
They likely removed the eating disorder hotline and mental health links to future-proof the episode for when those links no longer worked.
@@CelineRobichaud1986i remember the whole family and i had AOL accounts when i was little back in the 2000s
Like that Roger Rabbit videogame that gives you a phone number you could call for hints, but was later taken over by a phone sex company.
@@desaigamonWas Jessica Rabbit on the other line?
@@rabnadskubla8594Hey she's not bad she was just drawn that way.
That or to save air time and squeeze in more commercials !
Its funny that the gym teacher is overweight yet tells literally children to work harder
Honestly that's pretty common for American school sports coaches
i'm sure he did his time when he was a kid
Abby was the same on Dance Moms I hear
Not just public school, even at your local Planet Fitness.
Welcome to PE
Does anyone remember that this wasn't the first time Doug covered body-shaming? Like, in the old Nick show there was an episode where Doug gained weight at his grandma's and people ragged on him relentlessly, and he began over-dieting and exercising to get the weight off in a super short amount of time so he can go to a pool party. Then, lets not ignore the stark slimdown Connie got during the Nick-to-Disney transfer. I feel like Disney was trying to subconsciously sell us something toxic about body types here...and when they failed they made this episode.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
In that episode on the original run Connie just kind of chuckles about being chubby and tells Doug it's ok to be yourself.
But the Disney version made her thin like all the other girls.
Thank you I was about to mention this episode! Also it's interesting that Connie said that but Disney made her thin -_-
I'm Ronald wisenheimer, prepare to suffer
Disney channel did too
It was called "Doug Tips the Scales".
My far too forgiving brain just assumed they removed those resources at the the end because they became outdated. No point showing a number that doesn't have anyone attached anymore.
Apparently so.
The info at the end may have been removed if it became out of date. Those phone numbers are from the late 90s and may no longer work.
Fair point
I figured as such and just checked; searching the numbers brought up similar services, but none at the provided numbers. The URL is also invalid.
@@someTransChick They could have replaced the scene with something else, thing is making people sick is helpful to big pharma... Who wants wellness when you can charge people to not get sick?
A lot of old commercial numbers have been bought out. And they have been bought by a specific industry.
Heavens to hemlock.
The irony of the fact that Connie is in this episode when she was a bit of a chubby character in the nick show.
Eventually, she would get married to Chalky Studebaker.
I think this scene may have been removed because the number is outdated now, and if someone called it, on the other side it could be picked up by some random person who didn't even know that their number is in some old TV show.
That's what I was thinking too 🤔
I really doubt that because other television shows keep in their old numbers from very special episodes. It’s certainly possible, but I imagine that it was simply removed after the first time it ran, because Shawn said it was done in syndication. Meaning it would’ve been while the show was still running and the number would still be active.
@@rionaka8835its also possibly people prank called the numbers and the website didn't surivive the attempts to access it so they were asked to remove them, since they're all the way at the end, they could've been cut with the credits like so many shows were (to squeeze in that one more ad block somewhere)
maybe they got the number wrong by accident
That's exactly what I was thinking. The last thing Rickey Rats would want is some a bunch of complaints that their kids called those numbers a decade later and they have turned into something like a sex line or some disgusting group trying to prey on children's innocent idiocy.
As sad as it is, something I’ve noticed as a parent is that other parents will often just shut down a lot of conversations because they find them too uncomfortable or they think their kids are too young. Something I told my oldest child when he started school was that if he in any way felt unsafe or there was something he needed to talk about to tell an adult. If the adult he talked to makes him feel unheard or even more unsafe then to come to me or dad.
As a teenager, I wish my parents were more like you. Feels like they're eto uncomfortable to admit thier issues.
@@oneofakind9995 I hope they learn eventually. Something important I’ve learned about being a parent is that we do have to own up to our mistakes. We also need to apologize to our children when we do mess up, just because they’re children doesn’t mean they don’t deserve our full respect. We shouldn’t let our issues get in the way of talking about things that need to be talked about.
Thank you for this information!! Definitely putting it in my memory for the future!
@@oneofakind9995 Same. My mom refused to tell me about my body when I hit 13 and stuff began to happen.
Doug looks like he ought to be living in the Texas town of Arlen where propane salesman Hank Hill lives, and be one of his across the street neighbors as well as the ace reporter for the Arlen Bystander.
This is probably the best very-special-ED-episode I've seen, TBH. The writers got a lot right. My only real complaint is the too simple ending. It's a shame censors targeted it. Especially since it's one of the better Disney's Doug episodes.
More or less.
This is why the Nickelodeon’s Doug will always be better I bet in the end they would have solved the issue and not just gloss over it
Just like Gargoyles, when it went to Saturday the story and animation suffered.
Lizzie McGuire also glossed over ED with Miranda
This isn't why for me . Nickelodeon's doug is just better regardless of this episode or not .
@@megangerhart3540erectile dysfunction?
@@mattkennedy6115eating disorder
they didn't even bother to solve Patti's underlying issue, they just glossed over it like it was nothing 😭
RIGHT?! The ending was so anticlimactic that it kinda felt like they dropped the ball a bit. 😔
Skill issue lmao, but seriously I feel like she gonna have very similar issues in the future
Ah the 90's... good intentions and brave new horizons handled in a sloppy semi-focused way
Why did Doug even call her fat?
@@nationalinstituteofcheese3012 that was very heavy sarcasm that Patty didn't pick up on because she was feeling insecure
I will say, as someone who has endured an eating disorder, what Patty goes through is exactly how it can downspiral fast. They even got the dizziness and slurring of her words down pretty right; I had gotten bad enough to a point where I couldn't form words correctly when I tried to speak. It was kind of scary.
That said, there's no way to tackle this kind of topic without making it a proper special because the recovery process is such a bitch to get through. It's not easy, it's not a switch you turn on or off. The psychological component behind it basically takes over your mind and you have to learn how to regain control of yourself. There's also long-term damage you have to live with sometimes too, depending how bad it gets and if you relapse too, which is always a real possibility.
It took a couple years for me to get to a point where I'm basically indifferent to past triggers. I can no longer run, unless I take a puff of an inhaler because I damaged my pulmonary system. I have some minor brain damage, primarily just memory is a mess and my math skills are no longer where they used to be. i luckily do not have any noticeable heart damage, but I would not be surprised if there was some.
But I do believe in bringing awareness to the disorder because it is by far one of the deadliest mental illnesses out there. I think the best way to wrap up a topic like this for a kids show is to basically have the character going to see a psych team (psychiatrist, therapist, dietitian, etc.) to get help, and show that the character admits they still need to keep working on their problem cause it isn't easy, but that they're on the right healthy path again. It's okay to show that a problem isn't completely resolved at the end, but that there is still hope because the character is getting help to overcome it eventually.
Proud of you
I remember seeing this exact episode, and was amazed it was ever made to begin with. Like yourself, I believe the storyline should have been more realistic with Patty's recovery ( having the writers bringing in dieticians and psychologists specializing in eating disorders as consultants); just like Eliza getting shot in "Gargoyles", Patty's recovery should have been given more than the "30 min. quick fix" that only sit-coms and Saturday morning cartoons offer.
Definitely yes.
What makes this worse is that when Patty asks Doug if she’s needs to lose weight, it’s made very clear that Doug was answering sarcastically
of course, doug is typically more empathetic and ought to notice that she didn't pick up on him not being serious
@@clydefroschI mean you’re not wrong but I’m willing to give Doug some slack because he was partially distracted by his own goals at the time and he still caught onto Patty hurting herself and tried to stop it well before things went too far, it was Patty’s own stubbornness and the coach being a moron that ultimately led to the volunteer finally stepping in and putting an end to this
@@clydefroschNormally he would. He loves her so much. Disney Doug is nerfed.
Yeah but I think to someone who is stressing about something like that, even a sarcastic answer can make you feel like it's true. The same way she would overhear something that isn't even about her, or her weight; even though it wasn't telling her to lose weight, when she was already in her head about it, it was enough to serve as confirmation to her.
sarcastically as in: he intended to be cruel. or ironically meaning: he was saying the opposite of his sincere belief as a joke or for effect?
I think Doug was being ironic, and he did not realize how insensitive it was, because he was too busy to realize this was a serious issue for Patty.
Weirdly enough American Dad actually handled eating disorders, body dysmorphia, and anorexia better
Agreed!
I remember part of the episode of American Dad. I mostly remember seeing what Stan looked like through his eyes versus what he looked like to everyone else. I was shocked to see him all skin and bones!
Yes I understand, also in the end Stan went and found help, and got healthy!
Also the fact he made up a person who would shout at him about his weight a literal manifestation of his insecurities
Yes, that's right, but the important thing is, he fought the person, he made up, and Stan won, overcoming the eating disorder!
As someone who struggled with an eating disorder, not eating and reminiscing on no longer eating like normal is HEAVILY romanticized so the whole “reminder for when you used to eat” just hurt real bad cause that’s how I did see it, I’d think I’d finally look good and people will comment how good I look and I’d think about how I used to eat compared to not anymore and actually feel good
thankfully I’m in a much better place now, eating how I should and not feeling shame or guilt for occasionally snacking, got a dog and walking and playing with him every day keeps me active enough too!
Egads.
This one and "Weighing Harold" from Hey Arnold always stuck with me.
WH was disgusting.
I love Weighing Harold. I felt so bad for him.
I remember that episode lol 👍🏽
Gadzooks.
How unusual.
The sad thing is how believable that was for a 90's coach. One coach at my school told someone with a sprained ankle to walk it off and had a bad attitude when they insisted on going to the nurse. The parents were furious but it was the 90's so nothing really changed.
A system infested by the philosophies of Karl Marx and Lenin.
Those phone numbers and Websites weren't edited out because of censorship. They were cut out because they're out dated. Those numbers and website address went defunct a long time ago. They remove resource numbers and web addresses from special episodes in rerun because some of those shows can be reshown many years later and the numbers are no longer helpful.
Too obvious.
The PSA was removed because they don't exist anymore, and likely haven't for quite some time. The website is long since defunct and the phone lines are now for strictly for substance abuse and addiction.
So it seems.
Trying to tackle something serious in a TV Show and sometimes Movies isn't a terrible thing to do.
It helps what most People are going through in real life.
I completely agree! That’s why I was so surprised about how they censored this episode! The part they cut out definitely could have been helpful to people who might be struggling with a similar problem irl.
Thanks for being here, my friend! 😊
@@DuskTillShawn No problem.
And its like I said, trying to tackle something serious can still help People.
Heck, I bet you can related to most TV and Movie Characters growing up.
As long as as you give it the seriousness of the subject what it deserves
@@jeremyvanriper2876 That's very true
The only logical explanation for Roger’s pet cat Stinky not showing up in the movie was because Stinky had to undergo specialized surgery at the veterinarian clinic in Doug’s old hometown of Bloatsburg.
Thats not a voulenteer that is their homeroom teacher, she actually becomes Patty's stepmom later.
She was a volunteer at the track meet though. It even says "Volunteer" on her shirt.
@@thebolas000 yes bit she is so much more not just you know a random volunteer, I wanted to make sure we all know that this is a very important person in Patty's life hence why her words carry more weight.
@@doujinloverXD I figured she had much more involvement with Patti than just a volunteer.
@@AmethystTheEspeon yup by this point in the series sje had been dating Patty's dad for a while and honestly Patty loved having her around and was very happy when theu got married at the end of the series, so Miss Crystal standing up to the coach that was a mama bear moment.
Good point well observed and taken.
I wish they showed some boys suffering from eating disorders
The American Dad anorexia episode is good
In heyArnold Harold was trying to lose weight in a weight camp but instead he gained so in the episode he lost weight until he went back to his original self
@@Heretowatchvideos123 Oh ya, a way better episode about eating and dieting for kids
Nickelodeon actually did have an episode of Doug where he goes to his grandma's house for the week and eats a lot. Soon after, he's invited to a pool party. Self-concious about his body, he also sees a weight loss ad and begins working out. Don't know if that was what you were meaning, but it's out there.
We see it all the time, actually - girls get more attention for it because they're also expected to be attractive and thin; boys get a LOT more leeway; even if fat people in general are looked down on and mocked on a broader scale, the line for where "fat" starts is a LOT higher for boys than it is for girls.
And that... kinda sucks, tbh. As a kid I got bullied _mercilessly_ for my weight, and now as an adult, people are like "no, you're really handsome, you should be more confident," and I get to explain to them that I mentally and physically CANNOT be confident because that was brutally crushed out of me at every possible opportunity by people calling me a fat, disgusting, unlovable pig.
And having it suddenly turn around and be like "you're actually handsome now" just feels like you're being gaslit.
Because you are, actually.
Doug and Ren & Stimpy was my introduction to Billy West. I love that guy!
He is such an amazing voice actor! I adore all of his work. Especially Futurama. In my opinion, his voice made that show! Him and John DiMaggio 😆
@@DuskTillShawn Indeed. I hope to meet him one day as not only he is my favourite voice actor, but Futurama is my favourite animated series. So far I have had the pleasure of meeting John DiMaggio and Phil LaMarr (the latter of who has used my art work to sign at Comic Cons).
In a few months, I get to meet Katey Sagal!
I got to meet Billy at a comic con he is really awesome
Why should Billy have to follow John K., especially since it was John's own fault that Nick fired him for constantly missing production deadlines?
Patti, Connie left ALL her Weight in the Original Series.
SHE LOST MORE WEIGHT THAN YOU
And Connie even winds up wed to Chalky Studebaker.
This episode really hits home for me nowadays. Throughout most of my life I was fat and was often bullied for it. I tried going to the gym, but just could not commit. It wasn't until 2019 when I started taking it seriously. I ate less and exercised three times a day, and less than a year later, I had lost over 120 pounds. But this is where I went wrong. Afterwards, I became so hyper fixated on what I was eating, so much so that I refused to eat any sort of meat, junk food, etc. I kept losing weight, sure, but I also looked terrible. Another year passed and I had lost another 80 pounds, being only 142. But what frightened my family was how I looked. I looked like a skeleton with skin draped over it. I got dizzy easily and just felt way too light. After talking with my cousin who had gone through his own weight loss journey, I learned just how badly I had messed up. I'm 6'4, and according to him, my ideal weight should be around 209 to 219, not 142. I looked at myself in the mirror and realized this, and after that I began eating better while slowing down my exercise to only once a day. I'm still trying to balance out my diet, but I feel a million times better now. Weight loss isn't easy. It'll exhaust you, it'll test your patience, and it'll strain your body, but it's very much worth losing the weight. However, don't overdo it, because you could wind up like me and feel drained and weak rather than strong and energized.
Man I read that, I am really sorry what you went thought, but I am glad you got healthy and are doing good!
@@dennisluchesi Yeah, I was in big denial mode during that time. I thought because I was skinnier and lighter that I was doing good, but that was far from the truth. Luckily, I was able to recover pretty easily. Now it's just about finding a decent diet to go on. XD
Yes that's good, I am happy to read that, keep up the great work!
Well damn. I'm 6 foot and I only weigh about 150 pounds. o__o
Yes, everyone is different! Just be you!
I just called that Girl Power hotline at 19:41 - It's a phone sex line now...
I don't remember this episode, but there was another episode of Doug where he was self-conscious because he gained a bunch of weight staying at his grandma's house where she constantly fed him big meals and desserts. Strange that one show would have at least two different weight episodes.
This is an issue I've also struggled with. As a teenager I was anorexic for a while because I had serious body image issues. The longest I went without eating was a 3-week stretch before I passed out in my house with no one home. When I came to I decided my parents having a dead body to deal with was worse than society having a chubby body to look at and started eating again. I never told anyone because I'm a male and back then that wasn't something associated with guys. Everyone just thought I was exercising and eating better when it was the exact opposite. I couldn't even muster the energy to stand up without getting dizzy, a very accurate part of this Doug episode. If this is something you're going thought right now please reach out to someone because the consequences can mess up your body for life. This episode started strong with the message but didn't really provide any solutions to the actual problem that leads to eating disorders.
Is incredibly important to tackle difficult topics in cartoons. In fact I wish they did tackled harsher topics. This how a child can understand something isn't okay, even if they don't fully understand why
Honestly, if parents arent comfortable talking about difficult topics with children, they shouldnt have children at all
THIS!!!!
100%. It’s important that shows tackle these kinds of issues in a way that can lead to a healthy conversation. As a dad, transparency with my kids is very important to me.
I couldn’t agree more with all of your points.
Thanks for watching, friend!
Look at all the topics that were covered in various episodes of the animated series “KING OF THE HILL” during its 13 season run, and then compare.
One of the harsher topics I'd like to be handled in a cartoon is SA ( sexual assault) they don't have to show it explicitly but in a way that a kid can understand what it is
Man, the ending of this episode just….
Didn’t scratch that itch. They could have wrapped it up so much better.
I bet Nickelodeon’s Doug would have ended it perfectly, though… 🧐
Agreed 100%.
Honestly, I bet if this episode was made under Nickelodeon's umbrella, it would have been waaaaay different...
Thanks for being here, friend!
That' so true.
Puzzling, isn’t it?
Unusual topic.
More or less.
Those phone numbers could be discontinued when the episode hit reruns
Even on dvd.
I really like Doug back in the 90s. I really grateful that someone beside me want to talk about this important episode. It really should be watched.
Roger, Ned, Willie, Boomer, Chalky, Skeeter, and those oddball twins are probably now working as self-employed drivers of their very own semi trucks. Even former Bluffington Mayor White (Willie’s dad) now drives a vintage Western Star semi truck, which he also owns.
Doug’s living happily in Arlen, Texas, where he’s employed as the ace reporter for the local newspaper called the Arlen Bystander, which also gives him an outlet for his personal comic book creation “QUAILMAN” while Patti’s the librarian of Tom Landry Middle School.
I remember the show Arthur had a body-awareness episode. Arthur was pissed he was “husky sized!” 🤣🤣🤣
'Arthur Weighs In' from season 9, which is now banned from airing in reruns.
@@HuskyDog88 really, why???
@@TheeCharmaine If you've seen it you should know. If you have and are still asking why you're not too bright. You can read my article "We Need to Talk About The Body Shaming Episode of “Arthur”
How puzzling.
That’s just taking censorship too far.
All I hear when Patty speaks now is Yoga Jones from Orange Is The New Black lol 😂
Jumping Jehoshaphat!
After calling both numbers at the end of the episode I can see why its not there. Girl power just connects me to "The hottest place to chat with hot single girls" and the mental health Institute just told me that I can get a free Caribbean cruise if I answer some questions.
lol I called it too and cracked up
Good grief!
did you get the cruise
15:00, 16:45 - Coach Spitz should be fired. Fired immediately.
He’ll be lucky enough to get hired on as the new football 🏈 coach for Tom Landry Middle School of Arlen, Texas, one of these days.
Okay UA-cam. I'll watch one of the dark Doug/Arnold video essays
Thank you so much for being here!
I genuinely appreciate it 😊
The weird thing is that Sleech twins who aren’t good looking were booing that girl on tv when they’re not even conventionally attractive themselves so there’s an element of sexism
Their puppy was pretty cute though. I assume that was their puppy.
I'm not sure they are very selfaware in that regard anyways. they're confident like martin in simpsons, they value intellect so high, they naturally assume that everyone else does too and thus, believe they're pretty far up on any metric
Ugly men always seem to be the BIGGEST judges of a woman's looks, cough Howard Stern cough
That´s how most people are sadly.
It has nothing to do with sexism and it's ridiculous you went there with it. Lots of unattractive people do this, men and women both, it's kind of part of the human condition tbh. You don't think some fat girls have boo'd the ugly nerd character and cheered for the handsome jock?
I strongly remember this episode due to the scene where Patty is using some escalators as treadmills. I dont really remember the episode in great detail or anything, i just remember trying to do that on an escalator myself and getting yelled at by a security guard.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that's happened to.
Heavens to hemlock.
Well I never thought I see anthropomorphic fat cells but here we are lol
Goodnight nurse.
Waist away... omg that's the greatest weight loss pun I've ever heard.
Tell it to Jean Stapleton aka Edith Bunker who thinks that tunafish salad, carrot sticks, and an orange is a healthy lunch in the classic “ALL IN THE FAMILY” episode titled “ARCHIE’S WEIGHTY PROBLEM”!
@@LindaCooper-i3f that actually sounds healthy nutrition wise but yeah that is a disgusting combination lol
Footage from the episode mentioned is on UA-cam channels The Norman Lear Effect and All In The Family.
I was really taken aback by the old man at the start of weight loss advert I think that he is the most human looking character in the whole series of Doug
I’d give anything to see Lamar Bone in a confrontation with Beavis and Butthead, not to mention Bud Dink enjoying a beer in the company of propane salesman Hank Hill.
13:57 Patty logging that her spray contains 0g of fat reminds me of the 90's low fat craze when everyone thought low fat foods meant you wouldn't gain weight. I'm glad we learned from that and keep track of actual nutrition now.
Also, those services weren't censored at the end, they have changed, so they were removed. The phone numbers are still around, but they connect you to different help centers. The AOL URL is dead and just goes to the AOL homepage.
There's always a silly side plot that takes too much time away from the eating disorder so we can ignore the problem and laugh.
Tell it to Norman Lear, and shout it loud because he’s obviously in Forest Lawn by now.
Do you think they censored it out because those resources aren't live anymore? The URL is an AOL subdomain so I would say that's very likely. How long did it run in it's original form until it was altered?
It’s a possibility.
The first
& I saw this episode mentioned on a “Top 10 kids shows that tackled serious issues” video
Woo! Thanks for being here early! 😊
Yeah, this one was definitely a standout episode as far as tackling serious issues goes!
@@DuskTillShawn it’s no problem. I saw the notification as soon as my iPad turned on
The way Disney changed Connie's look completely from her original look on Nickelodeons Doug is very telling.
They obviously had put her on a crash diet and somehow persuaded her to follow the philosophy of 1 CORINTHIANS 11:15 from The New Testament, which would obviously explain why she also has longer hair in this version.
It's so insanely important for people, especially young ones to have access to support for these kinds of things.
I'm almost 30 and I've struggled with BDD and eating disorders for as long as I can remember. I've been in therapy for it for a while now and it's helped tremendously, but even now I still relapse sometimes. It breaks my heart knowing that there are so many people going through the same thing and having no form of support.
Super video as always, thanks for what you do :)
It happens.
The episode were Doug was invited to the pool party after going to his grandma's house and gaining weight was better at tackling this issue. This episode was so mean spirited and didn't solve the problematic in the end.
It’s a shame they didn’t include that your body will cling to any fat it gets if you starve yourself my doctor told me that when I was frustrated I wasn’t losing weight
Personally, I thought it was a good message. Dont become obese, treat your body right but dont get carried away. Its a good message, especially for kids whose bodies are changing.
The irony of these weight loss fads, the models get surgery to help maintain that body. A good portion of them part does works out, but it’s due to working out since childhood. You are in control of your health, not what TV or internet says!
this is too true, it's how you grew up and how you maintained your body up until adulthood that somewhat "shapes" your body in the future. It's overly complicated, but overthinking the process is definetely not good to think about either. intuitive eating could be more suggested as it's not a diet, your more listening to your bodies hunger cues, and what you really need vs what you want in the moment.
American Dad also had a surprisingly accurate look on anorexia
Does it not occur to you that they edited that part out because it was on rerun and they could not guarantee the contact details are still valid every time the episode gets replayed?
It’s what happens when censorship goes too far.
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What about Doug’s weight episode in the nick version?
Oh I remember that one
Here’s my take:
Growing up, the idea of even going to seek help for any mental health issues was taboo in my household. I tried to kill myself at 17; when I asked my parents if I could see a psychologist or a psychiatrist, I was told no, as would be something that would ruin my future.
Turns out that my parents were full of shit.
I don’t know how many of my fellow Generation X and Millennial friends - and even you Zoomer and Alpha kids, for that matter - out there also experienced this growing up, but considering what happened with this episode of Doug, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was pretty common.
Man, all i can say is that i've been Listening to your vids in the background while i work on my computer and let me tell you, you make my shifts way smoother
Try the 8.5OZ size bag of No Man’s Land Beef Jerky.
The fact they censored that ending bit is FUUUUCKED up
Something that took me completely off guard is that it wasn't magazines or the media that caused me to develop an ED... it was my doctor telling me I had high cholesterol...! Because the only instruction I got from my doctor was "Exercise more and eat healthier." Literally, that's all I was told. I had no knowledge whatsoever about nutrition, so my first instinct immediately was to restrict my eating and exercise a bunch. I lost weight so fast, and now I am constantly asking myself "Can I eat this or have I reached my limit for saturated fat today?" I slipped into that mindset out of pure fear that "if I don't lose weight and get my cholesterol down, I'll have a heart attack and die."
Eating disorders can be born from all kinds of things. All that idea has to do is lead you toward obsessing over the food that you eat. It makes you literally afraid to eat.
What's so funny to me (in a macabre way) is that gold sandwich necklace that Patty won as a "reminder of the food she used to eat." I have literally been in the grocery store, passed an aisle with my favorite cereal or something like that, and just about cried because I've convinced myself that I'm no longer "allowed" to have it. It really does seem like the "golden food" that you wish you could win back someday.
I've been trying to re-learn how to let myself eat what I want to eat without being terrified of raising my cholesterol... It's a long, ongoing process, mostly because I can't see the results right away. I have no idea what my cholesterol numbers are until I get my blood drawn. So I can only guess and hope I'm not screwing up. That kind of "unknown" factor is terrifying. It's a terrible mindset to sink into and SO difficult to climb back out. Fear is such a powerful motivator/inhibitor...!
That sucks. And only a portion of your cholesterol is controllable, it's mostly genetics. What an ass of a doctor, I hope you have a better one now.
In my opinion, Coach Spitz is by far the most hatable character in Doug. Some people say Mr. Bones' nephew, Percy Femur is the worst, but Percy is a kid, whereas Spitz is not only an adult, but an authority figure and therefore should know better.
He's a monster!
I’d give anything to have Percy Femur in a round of fisticuffs with Milton Farnsworth Thatherton of Thatherton Fuels of Arlen, Texas, and Spitz now coaching the football 🏈 team of Tom Landry Middle School.
Whereas, Lamar Bone just after three cans of Alamo Beer would start singing “LITTLE BROWN JUG”, and in need of a good dose of black coffee ☕️ while Bud Dink is better able to moderate his beer consumption.
“Well, now I wouldn’t say that.”
The little man from the draftboard in the classic 1945 animated short subject picture of “DRAFTEE DAFFY”.
I can see that "censored" bit being taken out if/when the information provided became outdated, but that's about it.
I’m a FedEx package handler and I move boxes out of the trailer and onto the conveyor belt all morning. I need calories for work cuz most of it’ll be gone in the very early morning. Calories are incinerated when I lift the heavy boxes out of the trailer, and that’s why I have burgers and burritos and cookies and candies and cakes and crisps and crackers and Doritos and peeps and pies and pizzas and pasta and pancakes and tacos and tapioca to thank
As someone who struggled with eating disorder for years. It can be overwhelming at times.
I used to wear a watch eat something. I would go out get ready and not have breakfast. Go to out almost point of fainting. My co saw how skinny I have gotten. To the point you see ribs.
I have gotten better 5 years stronger.
Try seeing if Reader’s Digest would be interested in your story possibly.
@@LindaCooper-i3f I'm just boring person
I've been disabled since early childhood so I've been fat my whole life because it's hard to exercise when all your joints hurt so I've been judged and overtly TORTURED for being fat, being disabled, and being a ginger. I was so targeted by my peers in middle school that the administration KICKED ME OUT and had me home schooled because, and I quote, "She's a distraction to the other students" because a dozen kids decided that dumping me out of my wheelchair and moving desks to make it so I couldn't get to my desk. Administration knew my mother was a mentally ill addict so they locked a disabled child in an apartment with an abusive parent and sent a teacher over once per month to collect my work. Orange Grove Middle School in Tucson was hell for me in the early 90's.
I've been openly mocked by strangers as an adult and I've only been a shirt size XL and pant size 18 for 80% of my adult life so I'm still just slightly above American average. It's because of the combo of weight and needing crutches or a walker to get around.
This country is so fucked up. Even in 2024 in the height of Woke horseshit it's still acceptable to ridicule and mock people that are ugly.
Good grief.
I'm gonna assume the PSA right at the end got cut out because those phone numbers and websites no longer work. I imagine it'd be weird if a kid watched the episode now and was flashed with a phone number that no longer belongs to that institution. The fact the website had "AOL" in the name is what makes me think that.
I wonder if the editing out is due to those numbers to no longer being accessible, (especially the website) but also because if it’s streaming now and has an international audience, so other countries can’t access that info?
a particularly sad thing is is as impossibly scummy as it is for the predatory ad right after the show was its a pretty real thing that happens, just normally its done much more subtly and pattys actions arent far off from how a lot of kids and teens react in those situations
Holy Griswold!
So excited to watch this while i get ready for work!
Yessssss!!! Thank you so much for watching, my friend!!! I hope you have a great day at work today 😊
Patty's father should have sued the coach
But idk what suing the jerky coach would do though?
@@oooh19 Maybe get him fired and replaced with a coach who knew better not to push kids to their limits and encourage eating disorders. Patty's father should have taken her to a therapist as well.
Can't solve all your problems by suing someone.
@@animegx45 the man was not qualified to be a coach. the adults clearly saw him egging on Patty after she collapsed. he should've been fired
@alicedelgado955 losing your job is not the same as being taken to court. Yes he should have been fired but it doesn't take a lawsuit to make that happen, your response does not fit the person you were replying to
Another great video man I love watching your vids late at night makes it feel cozy
Good luck.
The reason the ending about the mental health contacts was removed was that the numbers were no longer available as what they used to be when first shown.
Goodness.
They should do an episode about Pattie being a secret smoker and that's why she sounds like a middle aged woman 🤣
The reason they could have gotten rid of the message at the end was probably because that organization might not be in service anymore.
Quite possibly obvious.
6:07 Reminds me of the lunch room in Doug's school in the Nickelodeon Doug - and made me remember how much better it was. 😩
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Likewise.
Damn, that "Fatti Mayonnaise" joke made me laugh my dinner out.
I'm thinking that they may have removed the resources because they could be out of date (this is an episode that was first aired in 1997 after all. I don't know if more recent resources could be added retroactively but I think it would be good to do so since this is still a very relevant issue. The parent complaints or hesitancy to have the percieved uncomfortable convos with their kids could have been a factor as well. Who knows? Maybe there were a lot of calls from kids thinking they had the issue or just pranking. The PSA doesn't seem to encourage parental supervision when calling like others at the time.
idk why I pinpointed the censor so much but there ya go.
Great vid btw Shawn!
Got anything linked to “KING OF THE HILL” or possibly even “DARIA” that’s worth watching?
I'M TRIGGERED!!!!
Glad you’re talking about Doug I was wondering how you felt about Nickelodeon’s Doug I thought you weren’t born with that version of Doug and I’m glad you like that version of Doug I’m not alone nice video
I love Doug. It’s a show that I feel like I haven’t given enough love to on this channel and I definitely want to dive into it more in the future.
Doug may have premiered before I was born, but even as a young kid, it was clear to me that Nickelodeon’s Doug was LEAGUES better than Disney’s 😁
Thanks for being here, friend! I appreciate you!
@@DuskTillShawn yes no problem we might not like every cartoon but I’m here with you for the rest of the cartoons we all grew up with can’t wait for your next cartoon video
@@DuskTillShawn and then yeah I saw a couple of episodes of the Disney version of Doug yeah it was a little bit weird with the animation and the voice i can definitely understand how people feel though I try to be open minded as well too try to see both sides of it but I definitely get it too again I’m not alone yes love the original series
Oh... Disney literally buried this classic nicktoon. There was really nothing memorable about Disney's version. It was done to intentionally with malice. How they got away with it is anyone's guess, but Doug should've ended when the creative jungle weed ran out.
Wow, you managed to avoid Disney Channel for a long time until now.
"Doug and Skeeter are none too helpful"
translation:
"Patti fails to perceive obvious friendly sarcasm"
I LOST IT AT THE SPRAY CAN SANDWICH 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What even is that?! 😂
Oh, but the episode was sad I agree.
Insane is definitely more the word.
"gray?! What country are you from??" Lmao
Roger went from a bully to frenemy huh
Roger: “Hey, Funnie! What do you think of my wheels? All 18 of them?”
Doug: “Interesting that you would select a 1953 Peterbilt 351 with a sleeper. Amazing paint scheme of green with the white stripe and red bordering. Only why a reefer trailer that’s not quite as vintage as the truck?”
Roger: “That’s easily explained, I prefer flat pad landing gears on a trailer to the older style wheel shaped on older trailers. Anyway, I happened to have a hunch that you were possibly living here in Texas now, and I need to get this load of empty propane tanks for gas fired barbecue grills to a place in this town called Strickland Propane. Do you know how to get there from here?”
Doug: “My neighbor Hank Hill who lives across the street from me, he works there. In fact, he’ll even lead the way for you, Roger.”
Roger: “Good thinking, Funnie! Let’s go ask him.”
I remember this epidose thanks for you! Yeah... is a sad reality...
Definitely.
Thank you for posting the video. I vagely remember watching this episode when I was younger.
Strange, isn’t it?
@@LindaCooper-i3f Yep. "Doug" was ahead of the times. Tackling issues that are still going on today.
Anyway, do you think that maybe Doug should be the new ace reporter for The Arlen Bystander in Arlen, Texas?
I remember the Disney version
Roger’s rich because phoebe’s dad needed to buy a plot of land Roger’s mom owned and she sold it to him for a small fortune
If I remember right, that phone number was actually ADDED in rebroadcasts on ABC, because of the subject matter. The only reason to remove it would be because of dead links and phone numbers. The only question is why the branding of "Girl Power".
I also remember the episode where Patty was going to sing in a competition for a new Bluffington anthem, but she her singing voice was awful, and Doug had to lie about her singing just to make her feel better, which only made him feel more guilty.
23:23 This cartoon and being reminded of it just makes me remember how self-conscious I was and still am as someone that struggles with obesity.
Are those numbers and website even still current? That seems like a good reason to censor that; I guess making a new title card would have been better. Im sure someone else mentioned this.
Doug's original weight loss story wasn't as heavy handed
This show looked like Doug, but it was not Doug.