The original Elder Dragons may not have any points, but they’re still the most influential elders, and arguably one of the most influential card cycles in the entire game. Those 5 elder dragons were the very first commanders back when EDH was just a small variant played among a group of judges, and they gave Elder Dragon Highlander its name.
It's weird, because aside from Nicol Bolas the OG Elder Dragons are absolutely atrocious. But I suppose their absolutely fantastic art is part of why they became so popular. Let's be real, Nicol Bolas reading a fucking book and Arcades Sabboth just fucking looking at you are hilarious!
@@atticussalmon4938 the boons were just some 1 mana instants that ranged in power from absolutely busted to Healing Salve. Definitely more iconic, but they didn’t inspire one of the most popular formats in Magic.
Yavimaya Elder is also not an Elder, and was what I was expecting. I didn't even realize it was just reprinted too (I haven't played in years) when I went to look it up to be sure it wasn't one.
Man, this really shows how absurd the powercreep has been in recent years: Most of those dragons require you to pay 6 or 7 mana, do nothing the turn they come in, and you have to wait a turn and attack and go through to gain any value out of them. And that value is like "draw one" If Ojutai was printed today it would cantrip, have lifelink and make you draw all three.
Personally, I really like the "Elder" creature type mostly because it makes no sense. I like to think of it as the "Old Man" creature type. Just picture all of the cards on this list with a cane and grey hair, I think it's pretty chuckle worthy. I think the dying wish of Dragonlord Dromoka would be for you to do "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)", at least before I become an old man myself waiting.
it makes a fair bit of sense if you think of it not as a creature that's strong because it's so old, but rather a creature so powerful _in spite of_ the fact that it's so old granted, there is the side of it that the wisdom and magical power accumulated over all those years contributes to the creature's power, but that's mostly a side for the stuff like the elder dragons. the elder _dinosaurs?_ they're just _way_ too badass for old age to drag them down
Super happy my boy Silumgar made it on the list. Good thing I just picked up two more before this video dropped. I bet the price would have been way higher.
Kind of wish they would finish the titan cycle. even if it wasnt in a standard legal set. maybe for commander or something. Flavor wise they are some of the coolest creatures in the game for me.
Even though Nicol Bolas Classic is the only playable Legends Elder Dragon, I would say that cycle is a big deal for setting up all other legendary dragon cycles, the Elder type, EDH/Commander, and Bolas as a major villain.
Regarding Chromium, another way to design hexproof is to not put it on overstated rares and mythics, and to not to print enough pushed counters and removal that people just stack 28 of them. It's ok to bring those powers down a bit so blue and black can have a little bit of creature quality.
@@NizzahonMagic I think if magic is ever pushed into a context where aura's are good, you've put magic in a great spot where combat is relevant, and both players interact in the most interactive phase.
@@NizzahonMagic This more implies an issue with Boggles splashability, due to it's rather free mana cost, allowing it access to the best auras and countermagic protection, rather than hexproof itself. We;ve had far stronger hexproof creatures than boggles (by points per year) who were not aura stacked, and the main reason is the lack of investment needed in Boggles. As for Boggles himself, he's far more interactive than 16 conterspells "Pass-go" that has been the past 2 years of esper.
Omnath, too. Guess we can hope that Wizards is slowly realizing that maybe pushing cards this hard isn't a good idea, huh? It's even more obvious how pushed Omnath is, considering it's the face of the collector boosters.
@@Nukesnipe I doubt they'll stop soon, considering that the overtuning problem has been with us since Throne of Eldraine. They learnt NOTHING after Oko broke the format(not to mention other ELD cards being problematic even today). The newer sets might not be as pushed as a whole but there certainly are cards which just dominate the Standard format quite easily. Sometimes even other formats are in danger! Remember companions? Lurrus is so absurdly strong it's BANNED IN VINTAGE AND LEGACY. Zirda is banned in Legacy as well.
@Najawin I don't want to be rude, but if the combos weren't banned, Pioneer could have been dead by now. I mean, how many people were unable of starting a league on mtgo?
I almost never encountered Uro, since I almst never play constructed, but still pretty salty even so that WOTC took their sweet damned time banning him when it should have been done months early
Their next set will have the Elder Characters and will consist of characters from other IPs, like Fast and Furious, Avengers and Walking Dead. It will only be available through Secret Lair at the cheap price of your soul, and all the cards will have the same ability: "when this creature enters the battlefield, you win the match. If you win the match this way, slap your opponent in the face, take his deck, his car and his joy of living."
I wish something like atarka would get printed again in standard. Like a drakuseth with haste. This is so much better as a payoff for ramp than this stupid ass value chain reaction with omnath and uro. I even played some jund ramp Darigaaz in standard just because i liked the animation it had and it felt good to just cast a 7 mana dragon with a big ass animation whon immediatly smacks into your opponents face.
Sure, but the problem with finding the "best" or "worst" of anything is that you need to set some objective standard to evaluate everything by or you're just picking whatever you like. Subjective lists like that can be interesting but I personally really like the objective nature of this channel, while the point system isn't perfect it does at least provide that measurement and it's reasonable to assume that "cards that succeeded in competitive play" is close enough to "best cards."
Premiere event metas do reflect a very specific meta -- the one that is created by the people the most skilled at this game, so I think it is a reasonable way to assess the best cards. You can choose other methods of course, but no matter what you do, you are neglecting some aspect of this game because there are so many ways to play it.
Of fucking course it's gonna be Oro, there is literally no fucking way it is anything else. Might as well call this one Oro and the 9 other most played elders. Edit: Edit: Surprise surprise, the card that literally took over standard, sees other format play, and dominanted the competitive scene to the point that variety was just asking do you want to play Temur Oro or Sultai Oro is number one, WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THAT!?!?!?
@@streetpeter3210 They saw how bad it was, hired a bunch of players to "test" the cards and those players turned around and make shit even more bonkers somehow before claiming their job wasn't to test things at all (see: oko stream) smdh.
@@TheMightyBattleSquid yeah, haven't they gone through 3 or so play test teams since then. Well apparently went through that many, I wouldn't be surprised if they just said it to make people rest easier.
The original Elder Dragons may not have any points, but they’re still the most influential elders, and arguably one of the most influential card cycles in the entire game. Those 5 elder dragons were the very first commanders back when EDH was just a small variant played among a group of judges, and they gave Elder Dragon Highlander its name.
It's weird, because aside from Nicol Bolas the OG Elder Dragons are absolutely atrocious. But I suppose their absolutely fantastic art is part of why they became so popular. Let's be real, Nicol Bolas reading a fucking book and Arcades Sabboth just fucking looking at you are hilarious!
I would argue that the boon cycle is more influential.
@@atticussalmon4938 the boons were just some 1 mana instants that ranged in power from absolutely busted to Healing Salve. Definitely more iconic, but they didn’t inspire one of the most popular formats in Magic.
Not sure why I clicked this expecting Sakura Tribe Elder lol
xD
Idk but i feeel like its a druid. But expected it too
Yavimaya Elder is also not an Elder, and was what I was expecting. I didn't even realize it was just reprinted too (I haven't played in years) when I went to look it up to be sure it wasn't one.
Man, this really shows how absurd the powercreep has been in recent years: Most of those dragons require you to pay 6 or 7 mana, do nothing the turn they come in, and you have to wait a turn and attack and go through to gain any value out of them. And that value is like "draw one"
If Ojutai was printed today it would cantrip, have lifelink and make you draw all three.
And He still wouldn't be playable! 🤣🤣🤣
Lol remember when you had to pay 6 mana for T3feri’s effect??? Or 7 mana to play Atarka when Glorybringer does the job just as good.
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Silumgar kinda looks like an otter.
Better than Nicol Bolas, the Arisen, whose head looks like a goblin.
Ojutai is a great card to give vilgilance. Because then he never taps so he always has hexproof and is a pain in the ass to deal with.
Top 10 changelings!!!
#1= Mirror Entity
Nice name bro
Would love to see a current top 10 cards of all time
This is the first time I saw Mayhem Devil up close and wow, its face is not where I thought it was...
I love these somewhat specific super shade-throwing tea-spilling agenda top 10's and I think we need more of them!!! next: Top 10 omnaths lol.
Personally, I really like the "Elder" creature type mostly because it makes no sense. I like to think of it as the "Old Man" creature type. Just picture all of the cards on this list with a cane and grey hair, I think it's pretty chuckle worthy.
I think the dying wish of Dragonlord Dromoka would be for you to do "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)", at least before I become an old man myself waiting.
it makes a fair bit of sense if you think of it not as a creature that's strong because it's so old, but rather a creature so powerful _in spite of_ the fact that it's so old
granted, there is the side of it that the wisdom and magical power accumulated over all those years contributes to the creature's power, but that's mostly a side for the stuff like the elder dragons. the elder _dinosaurs?_ they're just _way_ too badass for old age to drag them down
From the artwork to the effect i love kroxa so much
Tops with huge impactful creatures are the most interesting, love learning about new cards with epic effects.
Top 10 Cards that caused community outrage.
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I’ve watched lots of videos but never commented. You do a great job and always fun to watch!!
Smart channel idea! I'm hooked. 10 ten of everything mtg 🤘
Super happy my boy Silumgar made it on the list. Good thing I just picked up two more before this video dropped. I bet the price would have been way higher.
Kind of wish they would finish the titan cycle. even if it wasnt in a standard legal set. maybe for commander or something. Flavor wise they are some of the coolest creatures in the game for me.
top ten cards wizards knew was gonna get the ban hammer before printing but didnt to sell packs before doing a bait and switch
# 1 is uro oko
You missed the Omnath train
o , but i didnt miss the emrakul ban gravy sammich
lowkey knew it was uro hes value
He's the fairest card ever printed
Damn, I thought the old goofy dragon art would make an appearance
What a coincidence, i just recently finished my elder tribal edh deck. (It's better than it sounds)
do u have the decklist? edit: for scientific purposes of course
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-10-20-respect-your-elders/?cb=1602653934
Another Uro pile, I see
Sakura Tribe Elder, Jeskai Elder, ect.
I've been working on one myself. Using Morophon as my commander
Even though Nicol Bolas Classic is the only playable Legends Elder Dragon, I would say that cycle is a big deal for setting up all other legendary dragon cycles, the Elder type, EDH/Commander, and Bolas as a major villain.
Silumgar is just a big otter
“Uro was printed as a RESULT of the ongoing pandemic.” That’s why they did it.
Uros printing is what caused the pandemic
Another great video. Thank you Nizzahon.
We all know who's got the #1 spot in this one.
Regarding Chromium, another way to design hexproof is to not put it on overstated rares and mythics, and to not to print enough pushed counters and removal that people just stack 28 of them. It's ok to bring those powers down a bit so blue and black can have a little bit of creature quality.
If you print cheap hexproof creatures, you also have to worry about how busted they are with Auras.
@@NizzahonMagic I think if magic is ever pushed into a context where aura's are good, you've put magic in a great spot where combat is relevant, and both players interact in the most interactive phase.
I see you have never played Modern Bogles. If you had, you wouldn't use the word "interact."
@@NizzahonMagic This more implies an issue with Boggles splashability, due to it's rather free mana cost, allowing it access to the best auras and countermagic protection, rather than hexproof itself. We;ve had far stronger hexproof creatures than boggles (by points per year) who were not aura stacked, and the main reason is the lack of investment needed in Boggles.
As for Boggles himself, he's far more interactive than 16 conterspells "Pass-go" that has been the past 2 years of esper.
Cheap creatures with shroud instead of hexproof would have no problem then?
Takir was as rlly cool set even tho I missed it it still one off the coolest set atleast at 3rd
Top 10 Creatures with Bushido!
Thank god uro is out standard, my lord....
Omnath, too. Guess we can hope that Wizards is slowly realizing that maybe pushing cards this hard isn't a good idea, huh? It's even more obvious how pushed Omnath is, considering it's the face of the collector boosters.
@@Nukesnipe I doubt they'll stop soon, considering that the overtuning problem has been with us since Throne of Eldraine. They learnt NOTHING after Oko broke the format(not to mention other ELD cards being problematic even today). The newer sets might not be as pushed as a whole but there certainly are cards which just dominate the Standard format quite easily. Sometimes even other formats are in danger! Remember companions? Lurrus is so absurdly strong it's BANNED IN VINTAGE AND LEGACY. Zirda is banned in Legacy as well.
@Najawin I don't want to be rude, but if the combos weren't banned, Pioneer could have been dead by now. I mean, how many people were unable of starting a league on mtgo?
@Najawin my point is that what u said doesn't matter, as its just a rare opinion.
@Najawin fair enough.
You gotta respect your elders.
Except Uro
I used to think my nana was a top 10 elder, but now i'm not sure.
Where did the name Nizzahon come from?
It’s Hebrew for “victory” irc
Correct
I gotta play more modern. I've gotten first in several tournaments with my mono green stompy deck that plays Ghalta.
Kroxa and Uro have no points in Modern? That seems so odd. Are there no MTGO Modern events that can count towards points for these lists?
No, the pro competitions are normally played on paper, and they're just cancelled and/or switched to Standard/Historic in Arena.
@@imperium3556 I see. It's too bad MTGO gets ignored like that. No Legacy, Vintage, or Modern events to enjoy. :(
I almost never encountered Uro, since I almst never play constructed, but still pretty salty even so that WOTC took their sweet damned time banning him when it should have been done months early
But then they wouldn't have sold as many boosters! Think of the poor shareholders!
Their next set will have the Elder Characters and will consist of characters from other IPs, like Fast and Furious, Avengers and Walking Dead. It will only be available through Secret Lair at the cheap price of your soul, and all the cards will have the same ability: "when this creature enters the battlefield, you win the match. If you win the match this way, slap your opponent in the face, take his deck, his car and his joy of living."
I wish something like atarka would get printed again in standard. Like a drakuseth with haste. This is so much better as a payoff for ramp than this stupid ass value chain reaction with omnath and uro. I even played some jund ramp Darigaaz in standard just because i liked the animation it had and it felt good to just cast a 7 mana dragon with a big ass animation whon immediatly smacks into your opponents face.
Where is Uncle Istvan ?
Is he elder human?
Can't wait for elder god in D&D crossover
TOP 10 DEMONS
Uro has zero modern top 8?? Shows how bad the situation is for competetive play for non arena formats...
Kroxa coming in hot, thanks to the recent bannings
And number one surprises no one at all
Top 10 Basic Land cards
Ugghh too much 40k lately...
The video popped up and I saw 'Top 10 ELDAR'.... I was like 'Since when?....'
Wil Kroxa get to shine in a meta where rogue mill try and be #1? Tune in next week for another episode of Shitshow Standard.
Woooo
Yooo big but boi green ghalta
Noice love your videos
Top Ten Holes
#6 it is plesiosaur not dinosaur :)
Lemme guess n°1 URO
What about the Elder Dragon Highlander?
The classic 5 are too bad
Have not watched yet but I bet Uro is number 2
Oops I thought bloom titan was an elder
I thought kroxa had a lot of points
HEY! Respect your elders!
P.S. Leffen, I ain't done yet
Top 10 1/1's
Kind of irrelevant, but at the time of this writing, the video has a 1k:8 like:dislike ratio, which is the highest I've ever seen on any video.
It's gonna be Uro...
edit: puke
The championship is a very specific meta though and I'm not sure that list either reflects what's best or what's most played.
I didn't mean to be rude
Sure, but the problem with finding the "best" or "worst" of anything is that you need to set some objective standard to evaluate everything by or you're just picking whatever you like. Subjective lists like that can be interesting but I personally really like the objective nature of this channel, while the point system isn't perfect it does at least provide that measurement and it's reasonable to assume that "cards that succeeded in competitive play" is close enough to "best cards."
Premiere event metas do reflect a very specific meta -- the one that is created by the people the most skilled at this game, so I think it is a reasonable way to assess the best cards. You can choose other methods of course, but no matter what you do, you are neglecting some aspect of this game because there are so many ways to play it.
Do "Top 10 Bounce"
Already did
Of fucking course it's gonna be Oro, there is literally no fucking way it is anything else. Might as well call this one Oro and the 9 other most played elders.
Edit:
Edit: Surprise surprise, the card that literally took over standard, sees other format play, and dominanted the competitive scene to the point that variety was just asking do you want to play Temur Oro or Sultai Oro is number one, WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THAT!?!?!?
uro is banned anyway
Uro?
edit: Uro.
No views gang
Top 10 Boomers
Wizards has forgotten how to design balanced cards or even playtest them.
Ever since Kaladesh with Smugglers Copter
@@streetpeter3210 They saw how bad it was, hired a bunch of players to "test" the cards and those players turned around and make shit even more bonkers somehow before claiming their job wasn't to test things at all (see: oko stream) smdh.
@@TheMightyBattleSquid yeah, haven't they gone through 3 or so play test teams since then. Well apparently went through that many, I wouldn't be surprised if they just said it to make people rest easier.
I like fast games.... 20-30 minute game ones are cancer.
@@felixrodriguez5050 I agree with that. Uro made games go crazy long though. Against anything that wasn't mono red, the game would be so long.
Fkn Uro broken...
Yo. You forgot Elder Deep Fiend.
I was sure Yavimaya Elder and Sakura Tribe Elder would be on the list!
@@TheMightyBattleSquid Sakura Tribe Elder is a modern or was a modern staple. Is it not?
Are they creature type?
@@sean_koellewood Sadly yes. The deep fiend is not a true Elder in terms of subtype. He is an ancient Eldrazi though.
mua ha ha ha ha
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/elder-d-highlander/
Sixth =)
Uro is just wizards greed making broken cards to push sales, no matter if it destroys the game
Eff Uro. Good riddance