“Religion gives people bad reasons to be good, where good reasons are available. That’s a problem, good reasons scale better than bad reasons”….mic drop!
the other two aren't much better... I liked Sam Harris before tribalism took him over, regarding Palestine. And Weinstein is a fraud. That's the IDW for you, the best the 2020's could do 🤣🤣
Peterson will never give up asking, "What's the basis for the universal ethic?" (21:04 above) If you follow his "reasoning" he NEVER provides us with a clear and explicit link to this so-called 'basis'. In everything Peterson argues, you're only hearing Plato's philosophy of the transcendent ideal. Plato's philosophy is the foundational mistake that all Christianity is founded on (read your Augustine!). If you remove Plato's philosophy from medieval Christian theology, any excuse for accepting the truth-claims of the church (or the truth claims of Jordan Peterson for that matter) collapse to dust. Friedrich Nietzsche put it this way: "Christianity is just Plato for the masses." Educate yourself and you will see right through this clever sounding charlatan.
12:00 Jordan is talking about how without religion.we are without hope. That's how I hear it..nihilism is just one aspect of peoples journey. Most people can find something good in life to help come out of that and most of us do that without religion. Love is the biggest cure.
Yes, the folks in the least religious countries seem to be leading the way on most measurable facets of a healthy society. Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, UK, Australia, New Zealand. These countries are all among the least religious, and are all among the safest, best educated, wealthiest, and most tolerant nations. Where is the loss of hope that Peterson alludes to?
Notice JBP answer at 17:53 through 18:07. He's correct there, however, what he attributes that to, the divine, God, whatever it is seems to be at the core of his beliefs. Here's an example: "someone who profesess not to believe in God but it's good and acts good and does good in the world, is doing so at an unconscious level religiously." An unconscious"God believer". Even if you don't believe in God, you act good because unconscious processes and therefore God. I've found people who believe some version of this do not accept "good" can come out purely selfish game systems, the "why we just don't murder one another, must be placed there by God". Yes, for the most part, we don't go out there and kill each other, just why makes us think it's coming from whatever you think this God thing is but capital letters nature, everything, the Universe. "Quarks enable us to be good, you know what, Quarks wants us to be good and therefore enables it to happen", you could say, with more conviction and not entirely being wrong (except for the case of Quarks volition), and we have more evidence of quarks existence than again whatever this God thing is.
@@CMDRZero01 hardwired to be social, for reasons that are unknown to me, we just see the outcome in our personal lives, families, communities, societies, not perfectly nor on every single instance, individual and their psychological situations (because if one is a violent a**hole, maybe you won't live enough to pass your a**hole genes around, who knows why it lands)
The biggest problem is that he's using a completely different personal definition of "God" that nobody else uses. Your playing poker with a man holding Pokémon cards. You have to recognize this and either switch to his definition or at least acknowledge it. He will not budge or make a good faith effort to explain that he's having a completely different conversation. I'm not even sure what his definition for God is, but I know he's not talking about a being like everyone else. I've seen him define God more as a core set of principles, motivation, and whatever you value most.
I find Jordan Peterson excruciatingly smug, condescending, willfully ignorant, a dishonest arguer - and invariably. misguided and wrong. Kudos to Harris' stoic refusal to be cowed by him for even a second.
The Israeli-Palestine issue is about someone stealing land not about which religion anyone involved is part of. Britain perceived its interests in the Middle East which was a stop along the important path to the jewel in the empire India needed protecting by the presence of a state founded by (Jewish) Europeans. Later as oil became important and the British empire collapsed the American empire took over. Again the position of the US with regards to oil and the ME is not about religion.
@@markgobrien9791blah blah blah.. America supports Israel despite Israel attacking a US naval and committing espionage against us .most of it revolves around “ Christian “ Americans. It has zero to do with oil , if it did , we’d have allowed Saudi and other Arabs to invade and take Israel over. There was Palestine until European Jews fled Europe due to antisemitism from Nazis , who had complicit help from who? Christians . The entire middle east is insane due to religious crap . Islamist’s fight over the spelling of Mohammad vs Muhammad, Israel thinks it has biblical rights to land due to a book of myths. There wouldn’t be this level of violence if it wasn’t due to an imaginary sky daddy
@markgobrien9791 Religion, or perhaps more specifically, religious identity, is a huge divider in this situation. Take out the "God Said" stuff.....and it would lessen the stubbornness that religion encourages. Religion by its very nature makes groups immisible, like trying to mix oil and water. Things would be a lot easier without it.
Sooo the gist im getting is that JP [wants to say] human beings are intrinsically bad and need rules in order to be good. SH is saying human beings are intrinsically good but need to be free of rules in order to reach their full potential…? They’ll NEVER agree.
15:20 Personally I would trust more someone doing goodness for goodness sake, than someone doing it to score some points with God and get rewarded for it.. not that ethical for me.
Sure, but what is goodness and how would we agree on it? Easy to list examples of what it isn't. Also easy to live with no guide ... until the shite hits the fan
When Jordan says "what is it?" referring to Sam's "transcendent rationality", he knows what it is, he claims to have read Sam's book. He's just so rhetorical it comes off as argumentative.
He just thinks that which Sam proposes is rooted in what JBP reasons causes us to be good and look how prosperous it is, Christianity, or the belief in God, the right one, that is.
@@ltzminhe must think europeans/judeo-Christians are the reason that native Americans are so rich. We gave them casinos and free school!!!! How awesome for them!!!
Basically if you boil it all down get rid of all religions let everyone pull their head out of their ass and just go about life logically and all this dumb s*** will probably fade out religion does not work anymore people know things now.
Here's one irrational thing that one must take on faith to live a better life: "Things will be better, they might be bad now, but they'll be better". I'll leave you to think why it's important to believe this, regardless of the evidence, and what could happen if one doesn't believe it'll get better, but worse and worse and worse for oneself.
Does Peterson realize that everybody knows every single time he interrupts with the question it's not because he has a question it's because he wanted it wants to interrupt. He's got the subtlety of a nuclear explosion and he actually thinks he's being slick.
Harris is always worth listening to on a variety of topics. Where he contradicts himself, is his clear bias towards Muslims. His argument is a generalisation. He would really come undone arguing the Palestine/ Israeli reality with the likes of Dr. Finkelstein. His claim to Objectivity would be shown to be Subject on this topic.
Dr. Finklefuch is what we call an Israel particularist and a joke in academic circles. Forget Isreal, fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the strange death of Europe and all the restrictions on freedom coming soon as the demographics change in the decades to come.
Besides being a punchline in the academic community, Dr. Finklefuch is an Israel particularist with an deranged pathology on all things Israel. Forget the tiny matchbook on the football field that is the Arab Muslim world, and focus instead on the impending storm in Europe as the demographics change. We have seen all the wholesome spasms of violence that have signaled what lay in wait for these soon to be former democracies. 😔
Both countries are wrong and irrational on this, but one culture produces Nobel prizes while the other throws gays off buildings. 🇮🇱 > 🇵🇸 and it isn’t a question
@@theCommentDevil The answer is easy. Palestine is not wrong for not wanting to be colonized. It is everyone else that is wrong that insists that Palestine has no right to that, and make excuses for what is happening now. Because, if anyone condones the response that Israel has conducted, then there is something more evil and wrong than what is going on there.
@@theCommentDevilThey are not being colonized, they are attempting the genocide of Israel and Jews and are suffering the consequences of their abhorrent behaviour.
The problem with the argument is to pretense it with religion versus living in a hostile war zone and straight up occupation. Religion becomes a dog whistle of men with power intent just like anything else to motivate people to stand their ground. And that is because Harris is predisposition to argue from the "remove the religious reasoning and it's settle" when that's disingenuous. What isn't taught is how applied meaning to boundaries creates this mindset when these territories actually never exist in reality, hence the need for all the walls and weapons and military along the borders - it's all made up. Even Judaism can't figure out what Israel means in the current day: some say "strives with God" other "wrestles with God" then "God perseveres." But once you establish a government structure and people get a taste of that power, mmm baby it happens every time: see America and all the deals they made and broke in its bloody history. What shouldn't be overlooked is people with a substantial advantage in technology are bullying people off their once held property and again See America. It's Humans that can't learn their lesson, leave God and religion out of it - you're the ones who cannot even tell us why in the world is there a pyramid sitting in the desert which really should zero any claim on anything that predates any sense of record keeping. But if you see any masonic symbols, then you got a cause to question - again see America and the Statue of Libertah - it's not even a "theory," it's a conspiracy.
Yes, abandon all monotheism. It is all astronomy anyway. None of it is literally true. That's why the monomyth exists. Every religion owes its wisdom to Hermeticism.
I find this discussion useless. A piece of land is claim by two people, who have inhabited this peace of land. One of them have inhabited the land uninterruptedly and the other have an enormous time laps from living in their land, feeling that the land is their and want the land back. War is the way people have acquire land in the past. Today it is a bit more complicated. Surely the Palestinians would be more attached to the land since they have never left it. I understand that the Juif population need their own land but a different method must be be use. Today the two population have to find a peaceful way to share the land as they are both attached to the land. There is no other way.
Peterson needing his medecine, again and again. Exhausting to see him overtaking, interrupting, dropping fallacies and sophisms like an entitled teen drinking redbull.
As Sam points out, this 'g' thing and each middle east factions version of their sky deity and its prophets, always gets in the way of human progress and a coming together for our species! Jordan's rhetoric is always to NOT recognise the root cause of such - middle east religions is simply not our species start point, it is so beyond that!
Idk man we usually refer to the beauty generated through religious worship. Art, poetry and music, all dedicated to dieties that don't exist. Religion might have huge downsides but its not all bad.
@@ChristianJay7 Human beings were creating art, telling stories, developing their culture, recognizing their own worth and standing on their own two feet well before the middle east disruptors got in the way of everything.
@neilfletcher1841 yes. Absolutely. But some art is undeniably religious in nature. The sistine chapel and Dantes inferno would not have been created without religion. It's ok to be atheist but stop trying to force it on everyone else. Enjoy religion like christmas. You don't have to have faith to enjoy the holiday.
Very difficult to comment on the behaviors of the Hamas Muslims, even if the comment is intelligent, without getting your comment deleted by UA-cam. Only pro Palestine, anti semitic comments are allowed.
Hamas are a product of illegal occupation and were funded by Israel so I don’t think commenting on their behaviour is actually necessary because their actions are a response to being forced into a concentration camp
That 2 + 2 makes 4 is an "intuition" it is not an intuition. There are peoples on earth now who cannot count past 3, so they would never understand that "intuition" (meaning not based on "known" knowledge). They would interpret it as 2 + 2 makes many and the same for 3 + 3, 3+1 etc. Your intuition is that you learned it so early that it feels natural to know 2 + 2 = 4, but it is not.
It is irrational because ancient Jewish history goes back thousands of years, and the Arabs only came to Israel for the crusades. Ancient Rome displaced the Jews to Europe, then the Arabs moved in, so it is not their land first. Also, the Ottomans lost the war, they lost the land, it was British land from that point, and they had a promise to rebuild the Jewish homeland. Zionism is just a secular political movement that used ancient Jewish history to justify the existence of a modern state and nation of Israel. Palestine is a made-up word. The Arabs come from Yemen, they do not come from Israel.
@wesleywashington1251 Well Allah's purported holy text says otherwise, so Muslims are fighting against the will of their God. And yes, Allah chose to make the Jews his people, it is in the Bible, so you are straight up wrong.
But there’s a governmental process to own a home. If a legacy community of squatter homeless encampments sit on land that was vacant, and then you show up 50 years later saying that you’ve purchased the deeds and you plan to do infrastructure development, who’s legally in the right ? If someone is a homesteader, they have to go through the governmental process to make it legal, lest they be unprotected. They should not remain in the complacency of generational squatter status; otherwise they have no more legal standing than homeless encampments.
@@skunkjobb “morally right” has always been relative. And “morally right” has always been developing and progressing. By the evolved standards of “morally right”, my country, the United States Of America, could not begin our conquest.
@@skunkjobb it was feasible that they could take over this tiny piece of land that was already being colonized by the British with the support of the west but their rationale for why it ought to be theirs is extremely far fetched.
Full discussion here: ua-cam.com/video/GEf6X-FueMo/v-deo.htmlsi=EmGl-4SpIQvvGct1
“Religion gives people bad reasons to be good, where good reasons are available. That’s a problem, good reasons scale better than bad reasons”….mic drop!
Love that the very beginning of this is Peterson purposefully (or perhaps accidentally, but probably not) misinterpreting Harris’ position.
Lol
JP’s 15000 words with 20,000 hand gestures makes no sense most of the time😂
There's definitely an inversely proportional amount of finger-twitching to sense being articulated 😅
He is a verbose nut case.
Old magicians trick. Look at the hands not what I'm hiding from you.
8:49 the way he responded with hand gestures as Bret Weinstein was talking.
Jordan Peterson is such a tool - so dishonest
the other two aren't much better... I liked Sam Harris before tribalism took him over, regarding Palestine.
And Weinstein is a fraud. That's the IDW for you, the best the 2020's could do 🤣🤣
Jfk was thinking " my Nephew is gonna be in charge of healthcare in 2,025 !? ".
Peterson will never give up asking, "What's the basis for the universal ethic?" (21:04 above) If you follow his "reasoning" he NEVER provides us with a clear and explicit link to this so-called 'basis'. In everything Peterson argues, you're only hearing Plato's philosophy of the transcendent ideal. Plato's philosophy is the foundational mistake that all Christianity is founded on (read your Augustine!). If you remove Plato's philosophy from medieval Christian theology, any excuse for accepting the truth-claims of the church (or the truth claims of Jordan Peterson for that matter) collapse to dust. Friedrich Nietzsche put it this way: "Christianity is just Plato for the masses." Educate yourself and you will see right through this clever sounding charlatan.
Thanks for sharing your deeply thought out, fair and nuanced opinion.
It does get tiring hearing people only critique one side.
12:00 Jordan is talking about how without religion.we are without hope. That's how I hear it..nihilism is just one aspect of peoples journey. Most people can find something good in life to help come out of that and most of us do that without religion. Love is the biggest cure.
Yes, the folks in the least religious countries seem to be leading the way on most measurable facets of a healthy society. Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, UK, Australia, New Zealand. These countries are all among the least religious, and are all among the safest, best educated, wealthiest, and most tolerant nations. Where is the loss of hope that Peterson alludes to?
JP is really hard to take.
Nobody talks so much and says so little. He is actually painful to listen too...
Notice JBP answer at 17:53 through 18:07. He's correct there, however, what he attributes that to, the divine, God, whatever it is seems to be at the core of his beliefs. Here's an example: "someone who profesess not to believe in God but it's good and acts good and does good in the world, is doing so at an unconscious level religiously." An unconscious"God believer". Even if you don't believe in God, you act good because unconscious processes and therefore God. I've found people who believe some version of this do not accept "good" can come out purely selfish game systems, the "why we just don't murder one another, must be placed there by God". Yes, for the most part, we don't go out there and kill each other, just why makes us think it's coming from whatever you think this God thing is but capital letters nature, everything, the Universe. "Quarks enable us to be good, you know what, Quarks wants us to be good and therefore enables it to happen", you could say, with more conviction and not entirely being wrong (except for the case of Quarks volition), and we have more evidence of quarks existence than again whatever this God thing is.
I'm of the belief that while being purely selfish and just, you can completely good. You just have to be able to reason it out.
@@CMDRZero01 hardwired to be social, for reasons that are unknown to me, we just see the outcome in our personal lives, families, communities, societies, not perfectly nor on every single instance, individual and their psychological situations (because if one is a violent a**hole, maybe you won't live enough to pass your a**hole genes around, who knows why it lands)
The biggest problem is that he's using a completely different personal definition of "God" that nobody else uses. Your playing poker with a man holding Pokémon cards. You have to recognize this and either switch to his definition or at least acknowledge it. He will not budge or make a good faith effort to explain that he's having a completely different conversation.
I'm not even sure what his definition for God is, but I know he's not talking about a being like everyone else. I've seen him define God more as a core set of principles, motivation, and whatever you value most.
@@88mphDrBrown whenever set of values is best, that's what God would be for him, or something
I find Jordan Peterson excruciatingly smug, condescending, willfully ignorant, a dishonest arguer - and invariably. misguided and wrong. Kudos to Harris' stoic refusal to be cowed by him for even a second.
I wish whichever Weinstein that is would not involve himself in the conversation.
He’s a rat.
Irseahell has weapons and logistics, and money . How are they verses Pales&tine civilian people give weapons, then you see the real fight
Sam Harris is absolutely right. Take religious identity out of the equation, and this would have been solved decades ago.
The Israeli-Palestine issue is about someone stealing land not about which religion anyone involved is part of. Britain perceived its interests in the Middle East which was a stop along the important path to the jewel in the empire India needed protecting by the presence of a state founded by (Jewish) Europeans. Later as oil became important and the British empire collapsed the American empire took over. Again the position of the US with regards to oil and the ME is not about religion.
@@markgobrien9791blah blah blah.. America supports Israel despite Israel attacking a US naval and committing espionage against us .most of it revolves around “ Christian “ Americans. It has zero to do with oil , if it did , we’d have allowed Saudi and other Arabs to invade and take Israel over.
There was Palestine until European Jews fled Europe due to antisemitism from Nazis , who had complicit help from who? Christians . The entire middle east is insane due to religious crap . Islamist’s fight over the spelling of Mohammad vs Muhammad, Israel thinks it has biblical rights to land due to a book of myths. There wouldn’t be this level of violence if it wasn’t due to an imaginary sky daddy
@@markgobrien9791 So your suggesting that the Israeli Jews are America's version of Hezbollah and Hamas.
@markgobrien9791 Religion, or perhaps more specifically, religious identity, is a huge divider in this situation. Take out the "God Said" stuff.....and it would lessen the stubbornness that religion encourages.
Religion by its very nature makes groups immisible, like trying to mix oil and water.
Things would be a lot easier without it.
@@rossini55 The Soviets tried to do what you propose.
Didn't end well.
Jordan Peterson is so annoying.
Sooo the gist im getting is that JP [wants to say] human beings are intrinsically bad and need rules in order to be good. SH is saying human beings are intrinsically good but need to be free of rules in order to reach their full potential…? They’ll NEVER agree.
Poor JP is no match for Sam...
15:20 Personally I would trust more someone doing goodness for goodness sake, than someone doing it to score some points with God and get rewarded for it.. not that ethical for me.
Sure, but what is goodness and how would we agree on it? Easy to list examples of what it isn't. Also easy to live with no guide ... until the shite hits the fan
When Jordan says "what is it?" referring to Sam's "transcendent rationality", he knows what it is, he claims to have read Sam's book. He's just so rhetorical it comes off as argumentative.
He just thinks that which Sam proposes is rooted in what JBP reasons causes us to be good and look how prosperous it is, Christianity, or the belief in God, the right one, that is.
@@ltzminhe must think europeans/judeo-Christians are the reason that native Americans are so rich. We gave them casinos and free school!!!! How awesome for them!!!
Basically if you boil it all down get rid of all religions let everyone pull their head out of their ass and just go about life logically and all this dumb s*** will probably fade out religion does not work anymore people know things now.
Here's one irrational thing that one must take on faith to live a better life: "Things will be better, they might be bad now, but they'll be better". I'll leave you to think why it's important to believe this, regardless of the evidence, and what could happen if one doesn't believe it'll get better, but worse and worse and worse for oneself.
Considering this isn't a religious disagreement, I doubt anything would be solved in Palestine if we ignored the religions involved.
They aren’t fighting over faith lol. Islam and Judaism are extremely similar.
Dude people are dumber than ever lmao
It's not irrational, it is a real estate transaction. Who owns the land?
Does Peterson realize that everybody knows every single time he interrupts with the question it's not because he has a question it's because he wanted it wants to interrupt. He's got the subtlety of a nuclear explosion and he actually thinks he's being slick.
Harris is always worth listening to on a variety of topics. Where he contradicts himself, is his clear bias towards Muslims. His argument is a generalisation. He would really come undone arguing the Palestine/ Israeli reality with the likes of Dr. Finkelstein. His claim to Objectivity would be shown to be Subject on this topic.
Dr. Finklefuch is what we call an Israel particularist and a joke in academic circles. Forget Isreal, fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the strange death of Europe and all the restrictions on freedom coming soon as the demographics change in the decades to come.
Besides being a punchline in the academic community, Dr. Finklefuch is an Israel particularist with an deranged pathology on all things Israel.
Forget the tiny matchbook on the football field that is the Arab Muslim world, and focus instead on the impending storm in Europe as the demographics change. We have seen all the wholesome spasms of violence that have signaled what lay in wait for these soon to be former democracies. 😔
Both countries are wrong and irrational on this, but one culture produces Nobel prizes while the other throws gays off buildings. 🇮🇱 > 🇵🇸 and it isn’t a question
@@ParkerBG how is Palestine wrong for not wanting to colonized?
@@theCommentDevil maybe for advocating for the complete and utter eradication of an ethnic group?
@@theCommentDevil The answer is easy. Palestine is not wrong for not wanting to be colonized.
It is everyone else that is wrong that insists that Palestine has no right to that, and make excuses for what is happening now. Because, if anyone condones the response that Israel has conducted, then there is something more evil and wrong than what is going on there.
@@theCommentDevilThey are not being colonized, they are attempting the genocide of Israel and Jews and are suffering the consequences of their abhorrent behaviour.
@@shauntempley9757Amen!
The problem with the argument is to pretense it with religion versus living in a hostile war zone and straight up occupation. Religion becomes a dog whistle of men with power intent just like anything else to motivate people to stand their ground. And that is because Harris is predisposition to argue from the "remove the religious reasoning and it's settle" when that's disingenuous. What isn't taught is how applied meaning to boundaries creates this mindset when these territories actually never exist in reality, hence the need for all the walls and weapons and military along the borders - it's all made up. Even Judaism can't figure out what Israel means in the current day: some say "strives with God" other "wrestles with God" then "God perseveres." But once you establish a government structure and people get a taste of that power, mmm baby it happens every time: see America and all the deals they made and broke in its bloody history. What shouldn't be overlooked is people with a substantial advantage in technology are bullying people off their once held property and again See America. It's Humans that can't learn their lesson, leave God and religion out of it - you're the ones who cannot even tell us why in the world is there a pyramid sitting in the desert which really should zero any claim on anything that predates any sense of record keeping. But if you see any masonic symbols, then you got a cause to question - again see America and the Statue of Libertah - it's not even a "theory," it's a conspiracy.
Be good because it’s the right thing, not because you want to be invited to some celestial dodgeball game
Its why we pay a tax for firefighters willing to risk there life for your baby for compensation
Peterson fans will clap at anything he says… 🤦🏻♂️
Have they been in conflict for 3,000 years?
Is it wrong to wish for an asteroid to come out of nowhere and level certain parts of the world?
Take any other territorial dispute.... give both sides different religions......the conflict will last for millennia.
Yes, abandon all monotheism. It is all astronomy anyway. None of it is literally true. That's why the monomyth exists. Every religion owes its wisdom to Hermeticism.
JP Is a sophist at best
I do not think Sam Harris should debate Jordan Peterson, it gives too much credit to Peterson. You should not debate total fools.
Who’s land is this conversation between three white men taking place on
Can’t wait for you to elaborate on the intent of this question since it reeks of cynicism
Not yours, so who the fuck cares?
@Sinsofcarolina it's a funny but sad reference that Europeans carving up land that's not theirs is how the conflict started in the first place.
The land of YTubeonia .
@ChristianJay7 wrong. What was the Balfour Declaration 1917 and what group informed the British of their decision? Please do some homework 🙏
Jordan reacts to audience approval. He is not a serious person. He is a populist actor getting customers.
Two pseudointellectuals talking while a third pseudointellectual sits by quietly.
I find this discussion useless. A piece of land is claim by two people, who have inhabited this peace of land. One of them have inhabited the land uninterruptedly and the other have an enormous time laps from living in their land, feeling that the land is their and want the land back.
War is the way people have acquire land in the past. Today it is a bit more complicated. Surely the Palestinians would be more attached to the land since they have never left it. I understand that the Juif population need their own land but a different method must be be use. Today the two population have to find a peaceful way to share the land as they are both attached to the land. There is no other way.
The love of my life ❤
Clue: it wouldn’t possibly ever be Jordan Peterson
Peterson needing his medecine, again and again. Exhausting to see him overtaking, interrupting, dropping fallacies and sophisms like an entitled teen drinking redbull.
Please define words that are not in common usage. For example: a priori
Any definition of BS would fit this lecture.
JP is the only man I've seen that says nothing by using so many words. I've gonna skip his videos from now on
As Sam points out, this 'g' thing and each middle east factions version of their sky deity and its prophets, always gets in the way of human progress and a coming together for our species! Jordan's rhetoric is always to NOT recognise the root cause of such - middle east religions is simply not our species start point, it is so beyond that!
Idk man we usually refer to the beauty generated through religious worship. Art, poetry and music, all dedicated to dieties that don't exist. Religion might have huge downsides but its not all bad.
@@ChristianJay7 Human beings were creating art, telling stories, developing their culture, recognizing their own worth and standing on their own two feet well before the middle east disruptors got in the way of everything.
@neilfletcher1841 yes. Absolutely. But some art is undeniably religious in nature. The sistine chapel and Dantes inferno would not have been created without religion. It's ok to be atheist but stop trying to force it on everyone else. Enjoy religion like christmas. You don't have to have faith to enjoy the holiday.
Very difficult to comment on the behaviors of the Hamas Muslims, even if the comment is intelligent, without getting your comment deleted by UA-cam. Only pro Palestine, anti semitic comments are allowed.
That’s hilarious considering we all know Zionist’s run the media lol
Anti semitic? On JewTube?
That is a lie 😂 I see pro Israel comments everywhere and people on both sides get shadow banned etc that’s just UA-cams shit AI
Hamas are a product of illegal occupation and were funded by Israel so I don’t think commenting on their behaviour is actually necessary because their actions are a response to being forced into a concentration camp
Both sides have their comments removed and I see comments from both sides everyday so you’re lying
Word salad galore
Jerusalem .... who administer there... always stucj there .. a n irinic name for the city
Peterson is a terrible person 🙄
That 2 + 2 makes 4 is an "intuition" it is not an intuition. There are peoples on earth now who cannot count past 3, so they would never understand that "intuition" (meaning not based on "known" knowledge). They would interpret it as 2 + 2 makes many and the same for 3 + 3, 3+1 etc. Your intuition is that you learned it so early that it feels natural to know 2 + 2 = 4, but it is not.
Mr hitchens woul b good as sams bulldog
Both sides are wrong.
And what is right in your opinion?
Wether true or not I see Sam’s point. I have no idea what JP is trying to say
@@Kyle0617he’s god. That’s the issue
Cracked it
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It is irrational because ancient Jewish history goes back thousands of years, and the Arabs only came to Israel for the crusades. Ancient Rome displaced the Jews to Europe, then the Arabs moved in, so it is not their land first. Also, the Ottomans lost the war, they lost the land, it was British land from that point, and they had a promise to rebuild the Jewish homeland. Zionism is just a secular political movement that used ancient Jewish history to justify the existence of a modern state and nation of Israel. Palestine is a made-up word. The Arabs come from Yemen, they do not come from Israel.
Palestine was rome's name for it also Britain's. All words are made up like your history
Actually the Qu'ran says that Allah says the Jews will return to Palestine, and Allah is okay with that.
If Allah actually existed, he wouldn't have any position on an issue like that. And he definitely wouldn't need anyone to be his mouthpiece.
@wesleywashington1251 Well Allah's purported holy text says otherwise, so Muslims are fighting against the will of their God. And yes, Allah chose to make the Jews his people, it is in the Bible, so you are straight up wrong.
Zionism is irrational. Palestinians just want their homes back.
But there’s a governmental process to own a home. If a legacy community of squatter homeless encampments sit on land that was vacant, and then you show up 50 years later saying that you’ve purchased the deeds and you plan to do infrastructure development, who’s legally in the right ?
If someone is a homesteader, they have to go through the governmental process to make it legal, lest they be unprotected.
They should not remain in the complacency of generational squatter status; otherwise they have no more legal standing than homeless encampments.
It's a bit more than just getting homes back. That's why Harris said it would otherwise be solved through a real estate transaction.
I don't think irrational is the right word. It can be perfectly rational for some people but it doesn't make it morally right.
@@skunkjobb “morally right” has always been relative. And “morally right” has always been developing and progressing.
By the evolved standards of “morally right”, my country, the United States Of America, could not begin our conquest.
@@skunkjobb it was feasible that they could take over this tiny piece of land that was already being colonized by the British with the support of the west but their rationale for why it ought to be theirs is extremely far fetched.
Even Harris cant say it.
His brain's not around to scan 😂😂😂
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Peterson is so smug and sanctimonious. And lost inside his own head.
Read The Palestinian Delusion by Robert Spencer.