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H&K: P30 LEM vs DA/SA vs Safety Models
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- When introducing the H&K P30 line with our LTT Customizations, we had several questions on the differences between the size, type and features of each of these models. We put together this video to explain the difference between the sizes and the LEM (Law Enforcement Modification) and DA/SA (Double Action / Single Action) and Safety Models to help you find the right fit.
00:00 - 00:22 Intro
00:23 - 01:14 DA/SA
01:15 - 02:27 LEM
02:28 - 03:28 DA/SA with Manual Safety
03:29 - 04:13 Outro
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Best explanation of the HK variants that I've seen so far. Great work!
As owner of both DA/SA and LEM variants of USP45c and HK45c, I am in love with LEM.
Same here.
The LEM with some trigger work from GrayGuns made me fall in love with my P30.
I carry an H&K P30L with the LEM trigger. The perfect weapon in my view. Took a bit of getting used to the trigger but now I wouldn't want anything else.
I bought the regular SA/DA P30. Bought and installed the short reset, LEM conversion, flat trigger, plus other upgrades. Best gun I own. I love the LEM trigger. Upgraded. Took me 7 hours to get the darn thing back together lol it's def not a Glock.
I have the P2000 9mm LEM. Outstanding! Never understood how the P2000 is so overlooked and underappreciated. Especially since 2004, it has become the largest contracted law enforcement sale to the federal government in history. (DHS, ICE, and Border patrol)
Maybe the size. I'm not sure. I'm just in love with the VP9 and P30 grip.
My duty weapon was the H&K USP Compact with the LEM. This was the issue weapon for INS. Carried this weapon until I retired.
LEM is the shitzu. Like any other rig you have learn it. Once you do, however, you will fall in luv ❤️ with it.
My LTT HK P30SK has surpassed my LTT Beretta PX4 compact carry as my favorite and most carried EDC.
I'm looking hard at doing the same, what benefits did you see with p30 over the px4
SectionChief, which variant is your P30sk if you don't mind?
@@czeke7513 P30SK LEM.
@@nvhs1 P30SK has LEM trigger and variable grip length with the 10, 13,15, or 17 round magazine with associated magazine sleeves (or pinky extension). Also P30SK has more holster options than PX4 Compact and P30SK can fit a TLR7 whereas the PX4 compact can’t fit my TLR7 but needs a TLR7sub.
@@SectionChief Thanks
So many other videos however this is the clearest of all with reviewing the different variants. Thanks
Nothing but quality from LTT
There is more to know about the LEM. The brief description here only sheds a light on its actual complete function. It must be added that the LEM has a short reset after the round fires, but when you release the trigger all the way. The hammer returns to its down position. At that point, it's
a full stroke of D.A. again, (with a smooth, light, full stroke pull. It only becomes a heavy pull when not cocked aka the cocking pre loads the spring for the easy light long pull.) Think about it as a hybrid d.a. system.
Thank you for posting this. He totally left this out and dropped the ball imo. Everyone that owns an LEM know this but everyone trying to understand needs to know there's a short and fairly crisp trigger reset that will result in balls out rapid fire. a la HK.
It should be noted that an external safety on a P30 is just a safety and does not function as a decocking lever.
Yes, I have the DA/SA with ambi safeties and slide release, and it has the decock button next to the hammer.
I had a USP 45 with an LEM. I couldn't stand it. I like da/sa. It works better for Me.
Yea I have a USP tactical with the original style decocker. That style works the best for me. If the P30 had it I would buy one
I must be weird, because I kinda figured the decock on a USP would make more sense if the hammer was lowered safely by pushing the safety lever through the Safe position, not through the Fire position.
The German military USP (P8) was configured with safety lever up being fire position. But safety lever up for safe position is same as 1911 which is what most are used to.
@@cncmillman and that makes sense, especially if the Bundeswehr were coming over from something Walther based. I suppose switching the directions of the manual safety function would be easier than reversing the direction of the decocker function.
Back when I owned an HK USPc in .40, I went to the range with an ICE agent. He was issued an HK USPc in .40 but his was the LEM. We shot each others guns. I was unimpressed with the LEM. If I was going to carry the USPc, I would have carried it cocked and locked. I’ve since sold my two USPc and I don’t miss them. YMMV.
I wonder if it's possible to convert non HK firearms into LEM style triggers. A PX4 with a LEM would be phenomenal.
No sir, that is not possible without a complete redesign of the gun.
@@LangdonTactical that's sad to hear but thank you for the response. You all are awesome!
I feel like the new PX4 is already phenom. I just wish they and all hammer compacts would develop another offering closer but not quite meeting the micros. Just a little closer please.
Wish HK would come out with more LEM guns or other mfgs would adopt a similar system
HK is notoriously slow with "new" stuff. How about ANY pistol with LEM and a slide milled for optics from the factory!? I mean how long have we had Glock MOS!?
I have some questions, please. Are there different trigger weights for the LEM variant? Is the SA trigger pull on a DA/SA variant lighter than the LEM trigger pull?
Yes, they have a Light LEM offering, with a lighter trigger pull than other LEMs
@@JustDefense Thank you 🙏
Any estimate when you may see long slides back in stock 🤔
When?
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Can you buy a P30 WITH a manual afety aswellÉÉ I know the MK23 has one..now te USP 45.....
how does it compare to the SIG DAK system?
It does not really compare. The DAK is a full DA-only system. The hammer is not pre-cocked, and the trigger has to go all the way forward to reset for the next shot. The DAK is an excellent DA trigger, but it functions much differently than either the LEM or the DA/SA guns we are talking about here.
Can I get the LTT P30SK with a normal style magazine release button?
To our knowledge, HK does not make the P30 with a push button mag release.
Curious, not that I’d do it but, if someone wanted the heavy pull, is there a way to do it? Would putting a round manually in the chamber accomplish that? I’m referring to the LEM variant.
You cannot manually put a round into the chamber to accomplish that. If that is what you are looking for, I would recommend a DA/SA version of the gun.
You should just get the P30 V3, it has a decocker to start off with in the heavy DA mode.
Potential new gun owner here. What would be more ideal for home defense? Or is it a matter of which you train on?
It would depend on what you train on, but the LEM trigger is a much simpler system to learn and use.
A lot of your decision may be what you think about safety features. If you're talking strictly home defense, a short barrel shotgun is great
If this doubles as a carry pistol, recognize there are many more accidental discharges than actual defensive uses. IMO, one should decide what they are comfortable with as far as safety features, and buy and train accordingly.
Take into account other people in the house, especially children.
Again, IMO, these differences are not the huge difference that a lot of videos and shooters make out . I move between different firearms and the way they fire pretty easily.
And triggers and sights and safeties and ammunition are constant sources of arguments with everyone. Reality is, once you sight in a particular weapon with a particular ammo, and work with it some, you should be able to put most rounds into the center of mass (the torso) of a perp if need be.
If you're really going to spend the time, money, and effort to become a good shooter, these differences become more important.
Personally, I like a da/SA, with or without a safety, but definitely with a decocker. But I also carry striker-fired guns. The LEM essentially mimics a striker-fired.
Fi or what it's worth, I suggest starting with a good 22lr and getting confident with it. Ammo is cheap, you can afford to shoot it a lot. And if it's your only weapon for a while, that's ok, no one wants shot with anything. You can probably buy a 22 AND a shotgun for the price of a medium-priced handgun.
Good luck, and enjoy!
I have owned a P30sk V3LE with no safety for many years. I find it to be a fantastic choice for carry and home protection. I specifically chose this model as I did not want to have a safety lock out switch, I wanted night sights, the bobbed hammer to hold down with my thumb while re holstering and the added safety of a DA/SA trigger. I really enjoy having a DA/SA trigger with the de-cock. To have a gun with these features make it an incredible experience learning and building confidence in carrying and using. I love to practice all aspects of firing this weapon at the range. There is the DA shot followed with a de-cock and repeat, a DA shot followed with SA shots and then the pre-cock SA only shots. That’s a lot more fun shooting than the same thing over and over again. Becoming a master at shooting this weapon is a joyful process. I highly recommend this variant. The only thing I have modified on this gun is to purchase several 15 round capacity magazines. My usual carry choice is the 15 round magazine.
The P30 LEM is the kind of pistol that subtly says to you "Do you really want to shoot this person?" before you make a terrible mistake.
300 blk hands down. I personally would suggest the CMMG Dissent, get the shortest barrel. Subsonic rounds provide both low noise to attract unwanted neighborhood attention and they don't over penetrate like supersonic rounds do, potentially passing through walls injuring others. Pistols are nice...but you said Ideal. take it or leave it
edit: The p30sk shines as a safe carry pistol. The hammer provides the user an extra level of safety that reduces negligent discharges and just gives you more control over the connection between the firing mechanism part of the pistol and the butt end of a cartridge. Everyone with 2 brain cells that works together likes that extra control. If you are the type that trains trains trains, then you might find that extra level of "murphy proofing" in the way of your ultimate goal of taking over the world and dominating your close but small group of acceptable friends that you would actually in real life, show your guns to and shoot with outside a gun range.
right? Well, fine...whatever
@Langdon Tactical
Could you do an USP .40 in .357 sig?
That's the cool thing about .40 caliber pistols. All you need to change them from .40 to .357 sig is just a barrel swap and everything else works with either caliber. I'm planning to do the same with a USP compact.
@@joystickhappy
Did you go along with your idea?
@@onpsxmember I ended up going with the 357 sig barrel for my p2000 instead. They didn't have the 357 sig barrel for the USP C in stock at the time and the P2000 felt a little better to shoot so I went with the barrel for it instead. I did however snag a threaded barrel for both. I haven't got a change to shoot the 357 sig yet, but ran the p2000 suppressed and it ran great. Rim County MFG makes some great drop in barrels.
@@onpsxmember *Rim COUNTRY MFG
@@joystickhappy
Thanks. Good to know.
do you sell the usp or do I have to buy 1 n send it in - I don't see any on your site that's for sale
Который лучше?
It depends on your purpose, but I prefer the LEM personally.
@@LangdonTactical
Понятно, что из-за понятного плавного спуска. Но лучше бы был полноразмерным.
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