Halfway through the podcast. Not surprised. An actual conversation. Actual thinking, thought and free flowing conversation from two great thinkers. Love this!
Mr. Loury is one of the rare voices that has made me question my political, societal, and dare I say, spiritual beliefs. I’ve been tuning in to The Glenn Show for about two years now, and after hearing him promote his memoir on various shows, I just have to say thank you, Coleman. You’re asking the questions that have been swirling in my mind as I read the book and listen to Glenn’s show. Glenn Loury-flaws and all-is truly an American hero! You guys should definitely do this more often, or better yet, take it on the road, and come to Denver!
It's very inspiring to hear how Glenn went from dropping out of college his first time and going from an obscure community college to very good schools. I'm 30 and going back to school after poor decisions in my 20s so its encouraging to hear because i struggle with the idea that i permanently screwed up my potential
Keep going! In no way whatsoever did you "screw up your potential" I screwed mine up & am much older than you. You needed that time in your 20s to inspire you & give you comparison. You're doing great. That contentiousness will get you where you want to go.
I'm 76 and I'm very hard on myself still. I'm my own worst enemy even though I'd be considered successful in life. At the same time it's never too late to turn your life around. If you didn't know about Glenn's previous life, you'd never know how far he's come. I wish you the best. You can do it. Take it a day at a time. Remember bad times never last.
A wonderful conversation. Two of my favourite black American men. I will list them by age/generation - Thomas Sowell, Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes. Who can't be impacted by each of these men? Coleman amazes me. Look at how young, incredibly intelligent and deep thinking he is. They each make me feel there is hope for the world. For those who criticize Glenn's earlier years. Yes, it's hard to believe the man we see today had some big issues. However, he shows it's never too late to change for the better. IMO he's a role model for the rest of us. All four men are.
I think Glenn has the most superb ability to succinctly and cogently steelman his opponents/detractors views I’ve ever seen. I can’t name anyone better. I envy him for it.
This interview took me for some turns. I listened to Glenn talk about his book on many podcasts and this interview was the most unique in how it addressed the issues of the memoir. Fascinating.
How tragic that mainstream policy makers, particularly those on the left, refuse to recognize any of the points made so effectively by Dr. Loury. It's tragic because if we listened, we could actually move the needle for the seemingly permanent black underclass. Policies that build up black men and encourage two-parent rearing of children could bend the trajectory of millions of black children toward greater prosperity and success in adult life. Instead, Loury is dismissed as a right winger, and Coleman as a useful idiot for the right. I hope they continue speaking out. I'm saying this as a lifelong, progressive Democrat and huge fan of Coleman and Loury.
"Patience Gromes." That book was based on my great-grandmother in Richmond, Va. Indeed that neighborhood was respectable; I remember that home like it was yesterday.
Thomas Sowell is a national/worldwide treasure. Unfortunately he's too smart for the MSM to want to give him time. He walked away from the MSM decades ago.
It is very interesting that to this day having a breadth of knowledge across multiple academic fields is discouraged. There is something about deep existential struggle that makes you hungry for knowledge!
There's so much knowledge to gain out there today. The challenge is finding it. Starting with listening to these two men, plus Thomas Sowell and John McWhorter are a start. I have discovered quite a few people on UA-cam. Most of them comment on Thomas Sowell having a big impact on them. I agree and I'm not at these people's academic/intelligence levels. They give me hope for myself and the rest of us.
I am currently reading Glenn’s book “Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative “. There are NO pictures in that book. This is the first autobiography I’ve ever read that has no pictures. Other than that, it’s a great book.😊
Coleman’s interviews used to get >100K views. I am subscribed to his channel and I don’t get these fed to me anymore. Wtf is going on?? Anyway, this was great! Thanks!
I think it's about what topic they are talking about and how many/how soon viewers watch, like and provide comments. The UA-cam analyzer works in strange ways. Great people may not show up for over a year even though I've been searching/watching the same topic regularly.
@@RonJ-r9f he makes the world a better place by educating people and thereby making them more knowledgeable and worldly. This allows people to have richer and fuller lives.
Glenn's not going anywhere, he helps center john,,, , I don't think John would have gone full leftist, but glenn helps anchor him somewhat when he gets weak, lol
Coleman, have a conversation with Dave Smith. You guys would hit it off and have some really good conversations, and not all of them would be from a place of agreement
Enjoyed the topic about the family and people from the 1920’s Harlem were indeed the facade of a movie, and had the 80% wedded family. I am interested if that had a slow change or did it come much faster well after the wars in the 60s. And how much of that was Korea and to some extent Vietnam.
In London, a scheme called 1000 black interns was set up in 2020 to help place young black people into city firms. I interviewed 6 people for my company - all privately educated Africans.
As an Israeli-American (from Chicago no less) I can understand where you are coming from. I consider myself a conservative but I am pro-choice for first trimester pregnancies. We should try to accept that "conservatism" may not be a one size fits all box.
@@notbill08 yes I hear you … I am an Israeli / American born in USSR. Just difficult to watch someone who is so spot on on so many things but wrestles with this war and which side to support and it really seems due to some biases against Jews.
@@zeebs5668 If you think that anyone who questions the actions of members of your group must be biased against you, then you have more in common with the woke than you'd likely care to admit.
There may have been less consequences to "you" if you were in a middle class family as a teen in the say the 80's or early 90's. Which to me was relative to the fact that you probably had two parents in the home and often they both worked. So there were resources there... Even in White families who had kids say in the 20's now it was increasingly common to have a single parent house hold and even with the "child support" it often wasn't there because the man half of that relationship was not in any situation to earn money. So the consequence or lack there of came down to luck. or a specific situation. Maybe even Grand Parents that were active in the young persons life that offered resources. Going forward there is less of a divide there with what was called "middle class" anyway. Now the actually wealthy... well that is something else all together. Just add in where I grew up when I graduated high school in 1987 a single parent house hold was rare and I don't remember seeing anyone "with child" at school or anyone vanishing (to go have a baby). Now I live in Western NY and single parent house holds are the norm and 2 parent households are rare... I also see a lot of young girls pushing strollers that are at an age where they should be in school...
This more of a background auto-biography than an explanation of either black conservatives or how/why he became a conservative. The conversation is interesting but the title is misleading.
Wait .. so 20 years before i was born we still had the upper class black students whining about western cultyre before their Dr / Lawyer/ Civil servabt parents cane to take them to the Black Panther club in a Benz? Great.😔
Not sure if Mr. Loury is cool with it or not, but I find it a little distasteful to say “fucked up” whilst talking to him. Maybe I’m just old, though I’m not yet 40, but when speaking to your elders I don’t find it respectful to curse. Again, maybe they talk to each other and it’s totally copacetic. Great interview though.
I know what you mean, Prof Loury has a vibe that just makes me feel I'd be extra-polite around him. I think he's OK with it tho. Relatedly, ignore the cheesy title but please search youtube for the short clip _'Glenn Loury destroys Ibram X. Kendi'_
As long as we're analyzing profanity, word choice and language. "Copesetic" is a mispronunciation of the hebrew phrase Kol b'seder כל בסדר - "all is well" 🙂
Glenn is from the south side of Chicago. I too, grew up in a rough, working-class environment, so I have no issue with "blue" language...much like Glenn. I think many enjoy his epic rants on his UA-cam shorts/clips.
Would mandatory accounting/finance in the schools be Conservative or Liberal? If you search Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations you can find multiple instances of "read, write and account". He used the word 'education' Eighty Times. But Milton Friedman was always slapping us around with the "Invisible Hand" that Smith only used One Time.
South Side of Chicago ? Funny that you call it a black archetype. For foreign, older people, Chicago is synonymous with Italian and Irish Gangsters. The Valentine's massacres. Al Capone. Baby Face Nelson. Then there are movies like Capone and The untouchables.
52:08 to 53:11 - This seems like a mischaracterization of what Booker T Washington actually said. Google the article "Did W.E.B. Du Bois mischaracterize Booker T. Washington?" for some quotes from both men to illustrate why.
You cant understand anyone’s point of view on complex topics such as these by looking at a couple of quotes. That is how mischaracterizations occur. If you have issues with his thoughts, then simply put forward your point of view and let it stand.
@@johnnyp5216 The quotes in the article I pointed to seem to provide pretty strong evidence of what Booker T. Washington's views actually were (and I read them in context; the context doesn't appear to alter the meanings of the quotes).
Maybe it is just me, but I did not see what this conversation had to do with being a black conservative. There was no mention of Ruby Freeman, gerrymandering, voter suppression, reperations, affirmative action, the voting rights act, the civil rights act, Donald Trump, the SCOTUS and the effect these topics have on black America. There are two sides to this coin, but Coleman seemed to address only one side of the coin.
Perhaps that side of the coin is discussed with unwavering relentlessnes on the left while simultaneously dismissing or attacking the important and valuable ideas espoused by Loury and Hughes. We know your side of the coin, and much of it is important and completely valid. But the left's analysis is incomplete, and the levers you cite may not be the ones needed to truly make positive change for millions of black children who deserve the care and attention needed to make the best of thier lives. It baffles me that it hasn't occurred to many on the left they may have the wrong end of the stick if the goal is to improve lives and expand flourishing.
Because most of what you’re saying is Irrelevant with further information, and depends on the individual being indoctrinated; into left wing ideological urgency Without this, and in a larger context - why would these topics have to matter?
Booker T Washington extolled the tougher part that has to be continually re-won. Every group is at risk of going in reverse in terms of accomplishment/advancement if they don’t continually work on development.
I don’t care what people think, I care about how they think. And if their sense of truth is based upon manmade fairytales and dogma by old men in old buildings quoting old books of dubious origin, wearing golden and satin robes and funny hats, I really can’t take that seriously.
Glenn was given a lot of chances to help HIMSELF and he took them. The end. Same as Coleman. What a disappointment. What value does this have? What value does this bring to the world? I honestly cannot say.
So true. He was carried by Joe Rogan during that interview. Coleman Hughes is mainly popular because he panders to white supremacist talking points. They use Coleman to say, “Let’s not talk about race”. This argument is in bad faith because white peoples have used race to position themselves in positions of power and to exclude other races in this success. Now, people like Coleman want to ignore these facts, acting like the most important factor is economics. While not acknowledging how economics have been deeply affected by racism. A poor white person was not subjected to discrimination based on race. Yet, a poor Black person has dealt with these issues. It’s honestly sad that Coleman lets himself be used as a pawn.
Halfway through the podcast. Not surprised. An actual conversation. Actual thinking, thought and free flowing conversation from two great thinkers. Love this!
Mr. Loury is one of the rare voices that has made me question my political, societal, and dare I say, spiritual beliefs. I’ve been tuning in to The Glenn Show for about two years now, and after hearing him promote his memoir on various shows, I just have to say thank you, Coleman. You’re asking the questions that have been swirling in my mind as I read the book and listen to Glenn’s show. Glenn Loury-flaws and all-is truly an American hero! You guys should definitely do this more often, or better yet, take it on the road, and come to Denver!
@@millennialclassics Tim Wise would get Glenn Loury outta here faster than you can say 'DEI'.
My sentiment exactly.
It's very inspiring to hear how Glenn went from dropping out of college his first time and going from an obscure community college to very good schools.
I'm 30 and going back to school after poor decisions in my 20s so its encouraging to hear because i struggle with the idea that i permanently screwed up my potential
Keep going!
In no way whatsoever did you "screw up your potential"
I screwed mine up & am much older than you.
You needed that time in your 20s to inspire you & give you comparison.
You're doing great.
That contentiousness will get you where you want to go.
Good luck!
I went back to school at 49. You have at least another 25 years before you start thinking that you screwed up your potential.
I'm 76 and I'm very hard on myself still. I'm my own worst enemy even though I'd be considered successful in life. At the same time it's never too late to turn your life around. If you didn't know about Glenn's previous life, you'd never know how far he's come. I wish you the best. You can do it. Take it a day at a time. Remember bad times never last.
I went back to college when I was 39 and got my degree; life has been going nowhere except up for me as a direct result ever since. Keep going!!
I was a white guy before listening to Glenn, now I'm happily a Black Conservative.
😭
Well I'm a pepper. Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?
@@johndoh5316 yes.
Matt mckusker
A wonderful conversation. Two of my favourite black American men. I will list them by age/generation - Thomas Sowell, Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes. Who can't be impacted by each of these men? Coleman amazes me. Look at how young, incredibly intelligent and deep thinking he is. They each make me feel there is hope for the world. For those who criticize Glenn's earlier years. Yes, it's hard to believe the man we see today had some big issues. However, he shows it's never too late to change for the better. IMO he's a role model for the rest of us. All four men are.
McWhorter has been disappointing the last 2 or 3 years.
Deeply inspiring, sincere and mesmerizing conversation! Thank you, Coleman and Glenn!
I think Glenn has the most superb ability to succinctly and cogently steelman his opponents/detractors views I’ve ever seen. I can’t name anyone better. I envy him for it.
I'm truly looking forward to this. Coleman and Glenn, love this.
Two of my favorite people, always intellectually honest, interesting and thought-provoking discussions. Bless you❣️🙏
This is probably one of my favourite conversations with Glenn. So much to think about. Well done, Coleman.
Thank you Coleman! You, Glenn and John truly bring inspiring, thought provoking conversation to us all. I appreciate you more than you know!
Great Book
This interview took me for some turns. I listened to Glenn talk about his book on many podcasts and this interview was the most unique in how it addressed the issues of the memoir. Fascinating.
I've not had the pleasure of hearing from Mr. Loury before, so I appreciate you bringing him to my attention.
He does a good podcast as well….he and John McWhorter have great conversations.
How tragic that mainstream policy makers, particularly those on the left, refuse to recognize any of the points made so effectively by Dr. Loury. It's tragic because if we listened, we could actually move the needle for the seemingly permanent black underclass. Policies that build up black men and encourage two-parent rearing of children could bend the trajectory of millions of black children toward greater prosperity and success in adult life. Instead, Loury is dismissed as a right winger, and Coleman as a useful idiot for the right. I hope they continue speaking out. I'm saying this as a lifelong, progressive Democrat and huge fan of Coleman and Loury.
"Patience Gromes."
That book was based on my great-grandmother in Richmond, Va.
Indeed that neighborhood was respectable; I remember that home like it was yesterday.
Wow!! Thanks for that information.
Thanks for adding. Was this the south side of Richmond Va, by chance?
@@LearnSupportRepeat I believe so; the area was called Fulton.
Brilliant to be introduced to a new thinker. Being a fan of MR Sowell magic addition 🙏
Thomas Sowell is a national/worldwide treasure. Unfortunately he's too smart for the MSM to want to give him time. He walked away from the MSM decades ago.
This is going to be solid. ❤from Stockholm.
It is very interesting that to this day having a breadth of knowledge across multiple academic fields is discouraged. There is something about deep existential struggle that makes you hungry for knowledge!
There's so much knowledge to gain out there today. The challenge is finding it. Starting with listening to these two men, plus Thomas Sowell and John McWhorter are a start. I have discovered quite a few people on UA-cam. Most of them comment on Thomas Sowell having a big impact on them. I agree and I'm not at these people's academic/intelligence levels. They give me hope for myself and the rest of us.
I am currently reading Glenn’s book “Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative “.
There are NO pictures in that book. This is the first autobiography I’ve ever read that has no pictures.
Other than that, it’s a great book.😊
Awesome duo ! Both of you are worth my time. Thank you from and grandmother in Austin.
Really Great Discussion on all Topics Covered.
Thank you.
Coleman’s interviews used to get >100K views. I am subscribed to his channel and I don’t get these fed to me anymore. Wtf is going on?? Anyway, this was great! Thanks!
I think it's about what topic they are talking about and how many/how soon viewers watch, like and provide comments. The UA-cam analyzer works in strange ways. Great people may not show up for over a year even though I've been searching/watching the same topic regularly.
Glen Loury is the man. He makes the world a better place
How
@@RonJ-r9f he makes the world a better place by educating people and thereby making them more knowledgeable and worldly. This allows people to have richer and fuller lives.
48:06 to 51:35 was pure fire.
Excellent interview & discussion! Thank you!
Past = Glenn
Present = John
Future = Coleman
All present
Glenn's not going anywhere, he helps center john,,, , I don't think John would have gone full leftist, but glenn helps anchor him somewhat when he gets weak, lol
Past, Present and Future of What?
@@TheObsidianLogic they all have relevance today
I bought the book in June, it is awesome, so is this interview. A very important man and thinker.
Oh dude, stoked for this!
Wonderful wonderful interview.
Coleman, have a conversation with Dave Smith. You guys would hit it off and have some really good conversations, and not all of them would be from a place of agreement
Glenn is a treasure! What a great interview!
Glenn hits on something around 29:30 that is so deep. I've seen this pattern in abundance in my hometown.
My favourite 20-something intellectual!
Enjoyed the topic about the family and people from the 1920’s Harlem were indeed the facade of a movie, and had the 80% wedded family. I am interested if that had a slow change or did it come much faster well after the wars in the 60s. And how much of that was Korea and to some extent Vietnam.
Coleman, have you ever discussed the "Cloward Piven Strategy"?. I would just love to hear your take on this.
best man
Glenn's book is really good
In London, a scheme called 1000 black interns was set up in 2020 to help place young black people into city firms. I interviewed 6 people for my company - all privately educated Africans.
Glenn's middle name is Cartman? 🤣 I had no idea :)
Agree with the Latinx thing, my Cuban mom would think I’m crazy if I played that game with her.
The Black Authority has more than once given a very frank assessment of Mr. Coleman's role in the black community.
Coleman, would love to see you in Brisbane next time you are in Straya
Thanks
Glenn is wonderful, but I am still left confused by his difficulty to stand up for Israel....it's like he just cannot because of his own prejudices
As an Israeli-American (from Chicago no less) I can understand where you are coming from. I consider myself a conservative but I am pro-choice for first trimester pregnancies. We should try to accept that "conservatism" may not be a one size fits all box.
@@notbill08 yes I hear you … I am an Israeli / American born in USSR. Just difficult to watch someone who is so spot on on so many things but wrestles with this war and which side to support and it really seems due to some biases against Jews.
@@zeebs5668 If you think that anyone who questions the actions of members of your group must be biased against you, then you have more in common with the woke than you'd likely care to admit.
Josh Szeps is a well-recognized lefty groupthinker, Coleman!!
I was scared for my blood pressure when I saw this in my feed, but you two kept it reasonable in this episode. I’ll check out the book.
There may have been less consequences to "you" if you were in a middle class family as a teen in the say the 80's or early 90's. Which to me was relative to the fact that you probably had two parents in the home and often they both worked. So there were resources there... Even in White families who had kids say in the 20's now it was increasingly common to have a single parent house hold and even with the "child support" it often wasn't there because the man half of that relationship was not in any situation to earn money. So the consequence or lack there of came down to luck. or a specific situation. Maybe even Grand Parents that were active in the young persons life that offered resources. Going forward there is less of a divide there with what was called "middle class" anyway. Now the actually wealthy... well that is something else all together. Just add in where I grew up when I graduated high school in 1987 a single parent house hold was rare and I don't remember seeing anyone "with child" at school or anyone vanishing (to go have a baby). Now I live in Western NY and single parent house holds are the norm and 2 parent households are rare... I also see a lot of young girls pushing strollers that are at an age where they should be in school...
This more of a background auto-biography than an explanation of either black conservatives or how/why he became a conservative. The conversation is interesting but the title is misleading.
Wait .. so 20 years before i was born we still had the upper class black students whining about western cultyre before their Dr / Lawyer/ Civil servabt parents cane to take them to the Black Panther club in a Benz? Great.😔
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Not sure if Mr. Loury is cool with it or not, but I find it a little distasteful to say “fucked up” whilst talking to him. Maybe I’m just old, though I’m not yet 40, but when speaking to your elders I don’t find it respectful to curse. Again, maybe they talk to each other and it’s totally copacetic. Great interview though.
I know what you mean, Prof Loury has a vibe that just makes me feel I'd be extra-polite around him. I think he's OK with it tho.
Relatedly, ignore the cheesy title but please search youtube for the short clip _'Glenn Loury destroys Ibram X. Kendi'_
As long as we're analyzing profanity, word choice and language. "Copesetic" is a mispronunciation of the hebrew phrase Kol b'seder כל בסדר - "all is well" 🙂
Glenn is from the south side of Chicago. I too, grew up in a rough, working-class environment, so I have no issue with "blue" language...much like Glenn. I think many enjoy his epic rants on his UA-cam shorts/clips.
Agree. I would not have used that particular word choice. There's a certain respect warranted when speaking with Loury.
@@notbill08 Copacetic is an English word, regardless of its derivation, and I used it correctly.
You should speak to Greg Thomas sometime
Would mandatory accounting/finance
in the schools be Conservative or Liberal?
If you search Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations you can find multiple instances of "read, write and account". He used the word 'education' Eighty Times.
But Milton Friedman was always slapping us around with the "Invisible Hand" that Smith only used One Time.
Like watching Ben (Obi-Wan) with Luke!
South Side of Chicago ?
Funny that you call it a black archetype.
For foreign, older people, Chicago is synonymous with Italian and Irish Gangsters. The Valentine's massacres. Al Capone. Baby Face Nelson. Then there are movies like Capone and The untouchables.
52:08 to 53:11 - This seems like a mischaracterization of what Booker T Washington actually said. Google the article "Did W.E.B. Du Bois mischaracterize Booker T. Washington?" for some quotes from both men to illustrate why.
You cant understand anyone’s point of view on complex topics such as these by looking at a couple of quotes. That is how mischaracterizations occur. If you have issues with his thoughts, then simply put forward your point of view and let it stand.
@@johnnyp5216
The quotes in the article I pointed to seem to provide pretty strong evidence of what Booker T. Washington's views actually were (and I read them in context; the context doesn't appear to alter the meanings of the quotes).
What do conservatives conservative? Any conservative.
Being considered a public intellectual is pretty damn cool!
Referring to yourself as a public intellectual is not cool.
This is a good sign that black Sam Harris will not go the route of white Sam Harris.
In other words what the government did was more akin to enabling as opposed to helping the black community.
I don't like the moustache.
Maybe it is just me, but I did not see what this conversation had to do with being a black conservative. There was no mention of Ruby Freeman, gerrymandering, voter suppression, reperations, affirmative action, the voting rights act, the civil rights act, Donald Trump, the SCOTUS and the effect these topics have on black America. There are two sides to this coin, but Coleman seemed to address only one side of the coin.
Perhaps that side of the coin is discussed with unwavering relentlessnes on the left while simultaneously dismissing or attacking the important and valuable ideas espoused by Loury and Hughes. We know your side of the coin, and much of it is important and completely valid. But the left's analysis is incomplete, and the levers you cite may not be the ones needed to truly make positive change for millions of black children who deserve the care and attention needed to make the best of thier lives. It baffles me that it hasn't occurred to many on the left they may have the wrong end of the stick if the goal is to improve lives and expand flourishing.
The title is about a black conservative man...not black conservatism in general.
Remind me why Donald Trump or SCOTUS were included on your list.
Read the book
Because most of what you’re saying is Irrelevant with further information, and depends on the individual being indoctrinated; into left wing ideological urgency
Without this, and in a larger context - why would these topics have to matter?
Booker T Washington extolled the tougher part that has to be continually re-won. Every group is at risk of going in reverse in terms of accomplishment/advancement if they don’t continually work on development.
I don’t care what people think, I care about how they think.
And if their sense of truth is based upon manmade fairytales and dogma by old men in old buildings quoting old books of dubious origin, wearing golden and satin robes and funny hats, I really can’t take that seriously.
Another episode of How Talking Slow Makes Dumb Ppl Sound smart.
Is crying the victim of "woke" officially over, or is it just you & your channel?
Glenn was given a lot of chances to help HIMSELF and he took them. The end. Same as Coleman. What a disappointment. What value does this have? What value does this bring to the world? I honestly cannot say.
Colman is 69 iq on Foreign policy
So true. He was carried by Joe Rogan during that interview.
Coleman Hughes is mainly popular because he panders to white supremacist talking points. They use Coleman to say, “Let’s not talk about race”.
This argument is in bad faith because white peoples have used race to position themselves in positions of power and to exclude other races in this success. Now, people like Coleman want to ignore these facts, acting like the most important factor is economics. While not acknowledging how economics have been deeply affected by racism. A poor white person was not subjected to discrimination based on race. Yet, a poor Black person has dealt with these issues.
It’s honestly sad that Coleman lets himself be used as a pawn.
One can have intelligence without knowledge or wisdom. He is still young.