This caller thinks institutional racism is 'self induced' and stops people working | LBC
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2023
- This caller tells Sangita Myska that 'quite literally there is nothing stopping anyone in this country from working hard' and the idea of institutional racism stops people from believing that they can be 'successful.'
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Arguing institutional racism doesn't exist because cultural sensitivities have progressed is like saying cancer doesn't exist because medicine has improved. Lazy thinking at best.
....and you've hit the jackpot....😂😂
Nice example.
Very well put.
Great analogy
😂😂😂😂😂
“I’m not black and institutional racism hasn’t affected me so it doesn’t exist” LBC caller.
Did he say his color? I must have missed that bit.
@@blueshirtman8875 He said that within the first minute!
@@bloke-online I guess it depends what those negative affects are. Not having enough cheap labor or not speaking your language or at least not with you accent.
@@bloke-online Oh great, another white person misquoting MLK in an effort to assert his white moral superority because he has such little reverence for his message and his work.
@@bloke-online like you lot say white privilege and being white makes you evil your all fine with that
When you’ve lived your entire life, not realizing the privilege you were born with, it is near impossible to see through the eyes of someone who didn’t
Precisely.
Does the left foot know what the right hand is doing? Is that some king of DD/TMNT joke?
Does the snakes heads know what their doing? Funny, You lot should go in to comedy.
Dont make me make a jack boot joke.
Exactly
In summary: "If it doesn't affect me, it doesn't exist".
Exactly!
I suppose the contrary is: Something that has effected me and I called it institutional racism.
@@Chris-xl6pd Terrible analogy. Commissioned sector specific reviews suggest the rot is institutional, not baseless claims.
@@Chris-xl6pd Do you just dismiss the Casey and Mcpherson Reports? Have you even read or heard summaries of them?
@@Chris-xl6pd completely tone deaf on the issue. Eedjut.
Sad how so many people like the caller simply refuse to observe reality and acknowledge facts.
...your reality you mean...
@@chatham43 No, I mean reality, of which we only live in one. It is shared by all. Either you choose to acknowledge it and the facts within it, or you're wrong. Simple as that.
@@chatham43 its sad that someone said "observe reality" and you immediately put your fingers in your ears and went "LAH LAH LAH LAH LAH" and likely never for a single second thought *you* might be wrong on this.
I find that people can only identify with their struggles. They deny it because it's not their experience. England is a lot better than other European countries, but it has a long way to go. We can fight it if we acknowledge it.
survivorship bias
“Who? Who says they can’t succeed?” This guy’s understanding of institutional racism is someone literally walking up to minorities and telling them they can’t succeed. The concept of statistical data is a mystery to him
It has evaded him entirely.
So you have statistical evidence that proves your point?
@@davidatkinson5858 yeah absolutely.. which country and time line do you want. I'll keep it short and talk slowly for you brick face thick ones in the back
@@davidatkinson5858 you mean besides the studies cited in the video? 😂
@@unprofessionallyamateur6354 lol the studies that were based on what exactly?
The caller is calm, smug and a muppet all at the same time
😂😂
A casmugget?
...and so is this presenter...
True & for those reasons he could be related to Jacob Reece Mogg.
😂😂😂
Love is universal. So is ignorance. Next caller please
Very very poor comment, one I would hear coming from chumps, very foolish people.
love is an inbalance of indorfines in the brain and not real - next
Racism is universal, but less prevalent in Britain compared to much of the world.
"love is universal". Brilliant logic
it’ll never be an institutional issue to the “unaffected group”.
As a man, I come from a group that are 21x more likely to be imprisoned than women, are 87x more likely to executed on death row (in the US) than women, 25x more likely to be shot dead by police than women. I also come from a country that drafted men to fight and die in war, but didn't do so for women. Equally 'Women and children first' was a policy used for evacuating sinkings ships until recently, where men would hugely disproportionately be left on a sinking ship to die. Can we say that any of that is institutional sexism/misandry against men? If not, why would be we say it's a result of 'institutional racism' if any of those statistics are true (although far less pronounced) between races?
@@jamesthompson9003
😢😢😢what about men? Let’s all change the subject and focus on James.
@@teresaamanfu7408 It's the same subject. I don't think those stats necessarily mean men are 'institutionally discriminated against', and the rates are far more pronounced than on racial lines. If you think that a 3-1 disproportionate rate of black people executed per capita in the US is impacted by 'institutional discrimination', but an 87-1 ratio for men vs women is not, then make that point clear
@@jamesthompson9003 aw you poor little man. You have it so hard don't you 😢
@@jamesthompson9003 It seems as though in your attempt to post a counter-argument, you've shown yourself to be exactly the same as this caller.
Ignorance is bliss 😂
...you have personal experience of ignorance...stop virtue signalling...it's repugnant at best....
Shout out from Chicago our country is trying to go back to 1776 when the white male ruled supreme still does and won't be happy until the constitution is returned to its original intent, overturning abortion is just the beginning to that end.
If he's "absolute" about something that's so self-evident, then he's not living in reality.
Where’s the evidence then of institutional racism?
@@chrisj9700 In which institution? In the metropolitan police, the Casey report would be the most up to date example.
@@chrisj9700 what is racism?
@@chrisj9700and there in lies the problem
@@leelobee6552 it’s a problem that we have equal rights and opportunities for all regardless of ethnicity?
What a ridiculous caller, he has no empathy for others, no knowledge or comprehension of what he is talking about.
............I think he does....and you think you do....
Why have sympathy for people who are only victims in their own mind.
@@PpPp-ku4sy so when we look at stop and search statistics 2019-2020
76% of those searches resulted in nothing being found.
Black people were 9 times as likely to be searched than a white person, with a 76% statistical chance they don't have anything on them.
They all imagined the police searching them and made themselves victims in their minds?
The old Meritocracy is always pure/the cream always rises to the top argument. This guy needs to talk to more black and asian police officers for a start.
Yep, the argument always fails when having to explain people succeeding purely because of connections. Then those same people proudly claim nepotism is somehow the same as "hard work".
@Cashback13 Even black and Asian people will tell you that police forces in Africa and Asia have always been bad.
So many of the hard of thinking think "I have never seen it, so it does not exists" and then use confirmation bias to reinforce their opinions.
spot on. When he started talking about Sajid Javid I was tearing my hair out.
I mean Jane Goodall is one of the world's most famous primatologists so institutional sexism in STEM can't possibly exist
whereas you will believe things which youve never seen, because the media told you so. I'm sure you believed every aspect of the covid narrative too. wow
Phone ins attract loonies 🤷♂️
😂😂😂
Just because I have not experienced it, it’s no happening syndrome lol
...you mean not....make an effort before virtue signalling again.....
@@chatham43 if that's all you can comment you must not have a meaningful critique 😂
Sangita's well researched, knowledgeable and analytical style is compelling. Completely evidence based, she breaks down the arguments with speed, and makes them easily understandable. Difficult to pull off.
...but with a worrying agenda which she can hardly contain....but LBC obviously spotted.....
It's the complete opposite of the "Facts! Not Feelings!" nonsense these people were shouting just a few years ago. They know institutional racism "doesn't" exist because they either 1) *Feel* it has ended or 2) *Never* *feel* its effects to begin with or 3) *Feel* it never existed to begin with
Exactly Steve.. Sangita acknowledged that Indians and Chinese sit above whites on average outcome but black people and Bangladeshi's don't so we will never have a fair society until white people are at the bottom on every metric. Makes sense to me.
@@chatham43 hu
...can't you read...?
I think it can be hard to see a problem if it doesn't affect you.
I am way above average height and muscle mass. This can be a big advantage as a man and many guys would want to be as big as me and generally it is a benefit. However, I haven't been able to go to a shop to get shoes and clothes since i was 12. I was put in some really bad situations when I was younger because police or women assumed I was 27ish and I was 10, 11, 12 or 13.
If you don't walk in someone's shoes you have no idea the obstacles they face. We all have our own battles, but understanding can really help people.
I cannot imagine that because I am 5"8' and I only have a big personality, and now a coastline...
What's the penalty these days for "dwarf tossing" in the modern day United Kingdom?
The police and Clarkes are institutionally hoofist.
Amazing how intelligent people know everything else , but don’t know what racism is 🤷🏽♀️
Attempting to downplay racism is disgusting. The caller has clearly never suffered institutional racism.
He has. He just decided to take the side of his oppressor. He has bought into the Tory talking points. He's dangerous. He is especially dangerous to his own people. He would sell them out in a heartbeat.
Agree, particularly when we live under a anti White regime. It took 40 years before the media would talk about the mass grooming gang scandal. Plus, White people are being demographically replaced against their will.
No such thing that's why
@@twisteddancer7773Disgusting thing to say.
@@ThomasKing19933 How so? If we are what you believe is true why do people want to come here
"What about that one guy out of 1000 who made it?"
Institutional racism describes how various systems result in racially unequal outcomes. Denying that the system is leading to these outcomes and blaming things on differences between races is just plain old racism.
Sure, let’s just ignore cultural and genetic factors.
Same results seen across the globe in every westernised country... must be racism.
This is an absurd definition of institutional racism. Under your definition if one race group commits more crimes and get arrested for it, this would be called institutional racism because this is “unequal outcome”
What a unsubstantiated, inaccurate poor reading of contemporary society 😂. Nope
@@jimsim8736 genetic factors???? u mean eugenics?
@@superastro397 Subsaharans have zero Neanderthal gene, 4.7-5.5% type 2 allele MOAO gene (warrior gene linked to aggression and quick temper) compared with 0.5% for whites and in Asians it’s almost non existent.
This has to be a prank caller..
It's an Asian tryjng to brown-nose the British institutions🤣. His sort are on every street corner
Are you always so intolerant of opposing views.
Too bad Sanguta Myska & James O'Brien couldn't both call this guy out.
wasn't needed pal, these knuckledragging baalheads just need a microphone. the presenter is trying to nudge him toward reality... alas, he prefers delusion.
In fairness if someone said that Jews, Chinese, Indians etc were rigging the system in their favour to be so disproportionately wealthy/successful/holding the longest life expectancy or 'hiring favourably among their own people' (as has been alleged towards gentile white-Britons), I can imagine Myska and O'Brain would be very upset
....that sounds s bit weird...see a doctor matey...
@@chatham43 Seriously...is your mind that much in the gutter?
What would public schoolboy privileged O'Brien know about that? Are you daft?
"It hasn't happened to me so it must not exist"
It hasn’t happened to the majority of people surely.
In the scientific method, you have to be able to demonstrate to people that a phenomenon exists. If you can't do that, you don't deserve to be taken seriously.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 They have. Extensively and exhaustively. All you have to do is look for it. What would, as you see it, be evidence for institutional racism? Do you have a falsifying hypothesis for your position?
Perfect case of someone who feels that it isn't happening because it isn't happening to them. Zero empathy and sympathy
He’s thought about the question deeply and reached a different conclusion to you.
@@cseosborn892 that's right. One with no empathy or sympathy.
@@ianbarrand6403 I’m not exactly sure how somebody is supposed to hold an opposing view to you then?
@@cseosborn892 you can have an opposing view! I didn't say you couldn't. But some viewpoints can be empathic and sympathetic. And some aren't. Viewpoints can be based only on personal experience and some with empathy.
@@ianbarrand6403 When you let your emotions rule you, you start believing in "institutional racism" or "institutional witchcraft." Try approaching the question in a calm, scientific manner.
Imagine him being a manager in your workplace. Nightmare gaslighter
The question that should be asked is: does he know what the term " institutional " means?
To be fair to him, "institutional racism" is a poorly defined concept. I'm sure there are formal definitions in various official documents, but it's obvious that when people are arguing about it, they aren't all reading from the same page.
@@tomonetruth Yes, rather like the concept of "witchcraft" centuries ago.
hes a rich indian dude, i would guess. the only people who do better than white brits. so maybe he is right, being wealthy is more important in this country - see rishi.
Yeah. I can tell he's Asian. Once they become rich they lose their souls.
White Brits,I'm White working class all I've ever done was run up and down a ladder,Still I feel privileged to have been allowed to do so
This sounds like one of those hustle bro lines of thought that rejects material reality because it might make someone "believe they can't make it."
He's definitely in to crypto and Andrew Tate lol
I know , woke logic always sees institutional racism everywhere and white supremacy 😂
I reject his rejection. He probably (wrongly) thinks he got where he is purely by his own efforts.
@Tendie this! We have no idea of his ethnicity. Please think before making such assertions.
@PageMonster....stick to your colouring books...you're out of your depth here....leave the virtue signalling to the experts here....😊
@Tendie this! Suella's family member? Or Sunake relative.
@@ChrisPage68 despite him referring to him and the host as ‘us’ multiple times through the call?
@@chatham43 I am 55, kid.
That chap sounds like he doesn't understand the basic concept of institutional racism.
He explained it clearly when asked for a definition.
Institutional racism is a worthless second-world concept.
If he's not a black person, but is even more marginalised, is he one of the 'straight white males are the most oppressed' types? He certainly sounds like it.
sounds posh english indian from his accent. i could be wrong.
He's Asian. That's an Asian accent.
@@kanedNunable He's not posh lol
In many ways they are the most oppressed. I think to say otherwise for all cases is simply untrue.
@@kanedNunable i was thinking that, but he was deliberately vague.
This is a classic example of someone taking their experience and then projecting that experience onto others. He is correct in the sense that most people can achieve anything here (U.K.) but that is not the reality that most will experience. In the business world for example it is exponentially more difficult for black people to raise financing for business. For example in the 10 years from 2009-2019 only 0.24% of venture capital funding went to black entrepreneurs - and even worse, just 0.02% of funding went to black female entrepreneurs.
I’m now over 60, and was born in the U.K. a first generation to parents who came here as part of the windrush generation. I have done very well for myself, but the struggle has been immense and at times almost broken me, and yes I have faced racism at almost every major milestone of progression in my life. As well as I’ve done, I know without any shadow of a doubt I could have achieved more had I not been black.
Finally, something I’d like finish with, in my 20s I graduated from university with my two best friends (both black). Both of them left the U.K. not long after graduating as they were convinced they would never be able to achieve their potential if they remained here. One went on to become one of the top executives in the US and went on to serve on the boards of some of the largest companies in America. The other went on to become one of the leading figures in chemical engineering, becoming a founder of his own lab in California. The likelihood of them achieving those things in the U.K. would have been infinitesimally small. Institutional racism is real….I’ve been battling it for the past 61 years……
That's literally just starting at a result with an agenda then working backwards to support your argument...what makes you believe that skin colour and gender are the only determining factors in your statistics?
Type of person that says "All lives matter".
They do.
See No Evil, Hear No Evil....
...you really don't know what you're talking about do you...??
The problem for that caller is, he thinks he is located at the centre of EVERYTHING !
Incredibly naive !
And ask for him constantly repeating, “I don’t believe” does not amount to ANYTHING !
He does not believe, but that does not make his belief or opinion factual.
Surely you are doing the same thing
@@pasta8470, If you had not come to this with an axe to grind you would have noticed that I did not state MY OPINION one way or the other.
Having said that, in spite of the caller’s self-centered existence, several studies have shown that institutional racism DOES EXIST !
@@trevorhenriques7733 Many companies hire with equality of outcome (rather than equality of opportunity). Institutional racism exists towards white people in this circumstance.
Yeah he has the "as a minority" syndrome.
Many minorities that 'become' successful don't see the privilege they were born into because of what their parents set up for them or the luck they has. They fail to see they are the exception not the rule. And get egotistical, mad and arrogant
Can't see Sangita ever get invited to GBnews she's too clever for Wootton .she'd tear him apart
Dan Wooten is the UK's Dave Rubin. Desperately hoping being far right will help him when inevitably conservatives turn on him because of his sexuality.
A six-week old slice of Leerdammer more intelligent than Wooten!
At last someone else who can spot a fraud like Wootton, I must try Leerdammer . Thank you ,
She rarely stands up well to vigorous debate and crumbles easily
My high school had no books or teachers... There are obstacles for BIPOC!! We don't teach our children that we can't succeed, we teach the truth - we have to perform 3x better than YTP to get any opportunities at all. We've strived for equity and opportunities for over 500 years in the USA!
The USA has existed for 500 years
Those being critical of the speaker, I can assure you that the desire to acquiesce is stronger than challenging the indefensible.
Challenging discrimination far too often results in the victims of the abuse being further abused.
Institutional Racism is a reality, acknowledging this does not make one a victim, but a realist and knowing of and understanding its causes is beneficial in working around the barriers that exist.
A strange fellow, most callers are. He ‘completely rejects’ a concept then he says nothing. It’s like saying ‘I refute that’ and you’re going ‘well go on, then, refute it!’ Just saying it doesn’t make it so, you have to have basic things like ‘an argument’ and ‘evidence’ and stuff! Is it just that lots of people are poorly educated, or do they really think that reality bends to their opinion?
I refute it too.
If you reject the concept of unicorns, do you really have to say anything more? If you believe in unicorns, the onus is on you to prove their existence.
Well said Sangita, keep exposing these fascists.
so....daring to disagree with institutional racism = fascism? I didn't realise that was the definition. Oh well, you learn something every day.
So glad you learnt something .
I dont think you know what that word means :D
You do more a disservice to your cause than just leaving the keyboard alone.
@@Chris-xl6pd meaning?
@@KenPassey-hd2mc visiting a miserable LBC echo chamber is always enlightening.
In my line of work I am involved with lots of different people from across the world and all corners of the UK of all backgrounds and personally from talking to people i've found (anecdotally obviously, but it's thousands of people over the years) that class/wealth discrimination is significantly higher than anything else, race is often of secondary importance if at all at the top - this isn't America and the forced obsession with racial identity politics is making the situation worse in my opinion; which is what I think the caller was trying to get at.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that there isn't institutional racism (unlike the caller I do believe it happens, but I think most people misunderstand the concept), but just that unlike America race is not the major driving force behind that discrimination it's wealth - which is why we do have these 'outliers' that Sangita suggests, most of which are wealthy or from a wealthy or privileged background that helped them to get there. All the 'white' presenters are disproportionately from wealthy backgrounds, even if they have a regional accent you'll see they overwhelming come from private education or above average wealth to support their career development (this is not meant as a criticism, just stating a fact - you can't help being born rich any more than you can help being born poor; but the game is rigged in favour of those that can afford to play it).
The success of Chinese and Nigerian immigrants is often cited as a way of ignoring the plight of some other minorities, "if they can do it, why can't you?" - conveniently ignoring the fact that the immigrants from those two countries are often wealthy when they get here, or wealthier than other immigrants if not as wealthy as the natives.
As an aside, I find it a bit odd that Sangita is annoyed that there are no other Asian women on the radio; there are lots; but as I understand it there are 18 presenters on LBC, she is one which makes 5.5% of the LBC presenters are Asian Pakistani women (her choice of definition not mine), which compared to a British Pakistani population of 2.7% of the UK, and assuming a rough 50/50 split that makes 1.35% of Asian Pakistani women to choose from, and therefore she's significantly over representing her community at 5.5%, so by virtue of her talent she's significantly outperforming all other groups in the UK at presenting on LBC - something to be proud of i'd have thought. What is a suitable representation of female LBC presenters from a Pakistani heritage? 2? (11.1% - nearly 10 times higher than the %population), 3? (16.7% - 12 times higher, more than all non-whites put together? male and female!).
Again, don't get my wrong, I enjoy her shows and think she's a great presenter; but it's really hard to get into these jobs and very very few people make it regardless of background so I do worry that constantly focusing on barriers can put people off even trying - celebrate your success, whether you like it or not it is proof that people can make it, and the lack of others is not automatically proof that you can't; it's ultimately a numbers game.
So by being one person of British Pakistani descent, she had overrepresented British Pakistanis by double. What she going to do? Cut herself in half? , Have LBC hire double the staff. All it shows is your calculation of her representation is deeply flawed
@@philwill0123 So, basic Arithmetic was obviously never your forte? It's a simple guide to show ignorant semi-educated folks the balance of representation. That balance of representation in conjunction with the percentages of persons from a certain denominator. This is how we always work stuff out.
What was your point?
@@philwill0123 sorry if I wasn’t clear to you; my point was she’s doing better than expected if it was purely down to numbers, so she should be proud that she’s doing so well rather than expecting to see more, presenters that is; if she’s the only person of Asian Pakistani descent in the entire office then clearly there is an issue, unless she was the only one that applied in which case she has achieved an expected level and is underrepresented - I’m trying to say that simply looking at numbers is not sufficient to get an understanding of a situation, but it does give a guideline as to whether something is out of the ordinary or not, and therefore worth more investigation.
@@philwill0123 BBC has 18 Asian presenters.
Wonder if he's been stop n search on a regular...l wonder if he's had any family members murdred by the police..the guys living in a bubble
*"The majority of individuals stopped are male (91%) with 9% being female."* - Stop Search Figures 2018/19, City of London Police. The caller is a man, so he is more than 10x more likely to be stop and searched than a woman. Also I'm not sure about the UK, but in the US men are up to 25x more likely to be shot dead by the police than women. So I guess regarding the issues you're talking about, men are the institutionally discriminated against group. The disproportionate rates for race are much less pronounced than gender
This caller clearly doesn't know what he's "completely rejecting". He says minorities are more like to be academically successful than white Brits, but are less successful in corporate life because they do not work hard enough.
So, minorities work hard to study, but choose not to work as hard to earn.
So much logic.
The callers are the best thing about LBC. There are some crazy Red Pill🔴Boomers out there.
Agree, if anything you have more chances now if your a minority because companies have to tick boxes.
Completely true.
Sorry, but I disagree, because if that is the case and it is just a ticking box, they will get one or two for show and then not hire any more. It doesn't solve the problem at large.
I usually like Sangita's calm, reasoned, more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger style but hang on a minute... "No other Asian woman like me working either on this radio station or elsewhere"? Well, except for Mishal Hussein, Samira Ahmed, Anita Anand, Nikki Bedi, Anita Rani and that's just the ones I can think of on Radio 4.
Somewhat overloaded with Asian commentary for just one channel and hardly representative of the nation as a whole.
No wonder the BBC are losing millions of listeners if that's the calibre of presenters.
There are 18 Asian presenters at the BBC
Privilege isn't the presence of perks and leg ups. Its the absence of barriers and obstacles.
This person has never seen the barriers so he assumes they don't exist and bases his assertion of 'anyone can succeed if they just try hard enough' on his lived experience of not having those barriers. This is just pure ignorance. 'If I don't see it, it doesn't exist'.
That guy is deluded bet he votes for the Tories
What did he say that was delusional exactly?
@@courtneydossantos9076 all of it.
@@kat2023. Doubt you even heard the video, just saw the title and jumped on the bandwagon like most peopl on the comments by the sound of it
@@courtneydossantos9076 what did he say that you agree with, so i can laugh at you
@@mrman8388 that institutionalised racism doesn't exist. Feel free to enlighten me of course, but I've not seen much to support that hypothesis so far in this country
Sounds like if I pretend it's not happening, it will just go away? 🤔
It's been 3 decades, why are they still fighting this?
It's not being fought that's why it's been 3 decades
Hi Sangita. I left a comment last week where it autocorrected your name. Id like to apologise for that, it was unintentional. I think you're excellent at your job, i hope you keep using your voice for middle and lower class people for a long time, we deserve more views like yours in the western world.
Middle class? You must be joking if you think she speaks for me.
When you are disconnected from reality and live in your own reality, you end up believing your own version of truth and not what is actually happening. These people need to wake up and open their eyes to what is actually happening in the world around them.
None so blind........
Sometimes I genuinely worry about the mental competence of my fellow white folk. A lot of us really as lacking common sense, observational skills and empathy.
Don't worry yourself on this occasion. The fool speaking is Asian
1. You don't know he's white. 2.i actually agree with you... A lot of white leftists do seem to lack common sense observational skills and empathy, as your comment demonstrates
People live their own lives. I've long stopped caring about others having worked 30 years abroad on 4 continents and seen first hand how badly they treat each other. You have little or no idea what you're talking about. We are an extremely passive and caring society, hence, why we're such a popular destination. Stop being such a bleeding hearted ambulance chaser. You would have been in exactly the same position one hundred years ago as the BAME community is today.
I don’t believe that he’s white.
Black or white, we’re all spectrum of the human race! Regardless of our “color” , we’re in this together ✊✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿
Precisely why I Listen to Sangita Myska. Cogent and Coherent Discourse 👏👏👏👏👏
this all London talks about racism, trans, etc.. i find stations outside london more interesting
All them kind of people get their power because of the Black people who were actually born in this country, seem to be away in the clouds and never get involve in what goes on in their own country, so won't put up a challenge on mass
Challenge how exactly? What ideas have u got to put up a Challenge?
Far too short. I hoped to hear her response but the vid cut off... Sad
Determination, ability and self-promotion are the keys to success. The biggest barriers to this are nepotism, cronyism and racism in that order.
First rule of presenting don’t laugh at your callers
You can laugh. They all do it
Sorry but this caller is completely correct.
He is completely right.
I love Sangita, but time and again, I get frustrated that she fails to ask the crucial questions. In this case:
“Given that you consider that everyone, regardless of their ethnicity, has an equal opportunity of success, do you believe there is no difference in the challenges to reaching that success faced by the different ethnicities in Britain?”
If he acknowledges the truth of that he tacitly admits institutional racism is real; if he denies it he’s a liar or at the very least embarrassingly naïve.
Yes I wonder if she would acknowledge here privilege too.
Lol midwit tier questioning.
@jezdavis1865 Are countries around the world scurrying to accommodate the English, Welsh, Scots, and Irish in their institutions? No, so people from those countries are owed nothing.
In a way I disagree with both of them. I've seen many vacancies at large corporations openly state that a certain percentage of the people they hire will be black. I think this is institutional racism as it is creating equality of outcomes and not opportunity. Surely if anything fits the definition then this is it.
We call it "affirmative action", which must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance minorities. Nothing short of government sponsored racism, tolerated by the silent white majority.
Citation? As that would be contrary to the Equalities act.
@@JayGriffinblaze The GCHQ are the most significant one I've seen doing it. Literally stating for some of their grad schemes and apprenticeships that they are only taking black candidates for their remaining spaces. I wish I was making this up.
@@pasta8470 You are. I think you are confusing mission statements or policy initiatives and converting that to "only taking black candidates" which is not only illegal but a misrepresentation of what is actually happening.
So in the case of GCHQ and other legacy institutions like it there has been an acknowledgement that these institutions do not recruit from minority backgrounds, except in the odd occasion when linguistic skills are required and only when there was some sort of military or counter-terrorism operation going on post-9/11. GCHQ in particular is trying to increase the number it recruits so it ran an initiative called "GCHQ decoded" which was NOT employment, but was a familiarisation event as part of a wider campaign which also went out to schools and universities etc. This was not a declaration that they are "ONLY taking black candidates" - that is your interpretation or emphasis. There is an acknowledgement that they are starting from a low base and want to increase that base, but these people are still going to have to be selected AND then still interview if successful. They're still required to meet the academic standards required for any other candidates.
For example, they have only recently (6 months ago) removed the requirement that recruits had to have their PARENTS' nationalities as accepted British-born citizens. Not them. Their parents. As you can imagine that takes out a WHOLE section of BRITISH-BORN potential applicants, and is an example of that institutional racism being talked about. The other part to that is that the Nationality Act of 1981 (and some subsequent amendments since then) have also eroded the nationality statuses of many former Commonwealth citizens that WERE considered British citizens. For example, Some West Indian families have the quite common situation where their grandparent (or great grandparent) fought in the war for the UK, emigrated either before, during or just after WIndrush, had children, who were considered British citizens because they were born here, or naturalised because they came over at a very young age, but then had their citizenship revoked because the law changed decades later. You have situations when people from mixed West Indian and African families have some members that are British nationals, and others that are not, even if they have exactly the same parents, because of arbitrary cut off points in the law changes brought in by Thatcher in 1981. This then creates problems for these children or THEIR children, 30, 40 years later as THEIR British citizenship is now contingent on arbitrary laws which could change at any moment and which did not exist when they were born. There are some countries which the UK government allowed naturalisation to count or being born here to count, and others that it doesn't - incidentally from countries that have expressed or led colonial independence movements in the post war period. How do I know this happens? Personal experience when I tried to apply for GCHQ in the 1990s. And when my sibling's SON tried to apply in the noughties. He's FOURTH GENERATION British Born!!
It's almost like you people don't even want people to get a foot in the door so they can compete on a level playing field. Or you're so unaware of what your government does in your name that like this caller, since it doesn't affect you, it must never happen.
@@JayGriffinblaze I'm not making this up, and you have not proven otherwise in the word-salad of a thesis you've just wrote. I find it hilarious how you and your son just happen to have applied for the GCHQ. Those particular vacancies have closed now, as these were listed prior to last September (when I was first looking at them). They made it very clear and openly stated that remaining spaces were only available for black females. You can deny it if you want, but I saw it with my own eyes and remember being very surprised. Equality of outcomes=institutional racism.
That man is talking a lot of sense.
He's saying white people are dumber than Indians Chinese Pakistanis black people and everyone else.
Temp temp; Sat's do say black people have the lowest IO. Chinese have the highest IQ on average.
Then why did he claim there's no institutional racism, then clarify that he's not black? Can you pick up on the subtle acknowledgment?
@@tenofivelips He is Asian no?
Alan you have no sense just nonscense
I know this is a seperate topic to racism, but I cant stand the "put your head down and work" talking point. Because we all know what the people saying that mean, right? Basically they mean starting a business. Ive never seen them offer other ideas. Get the hustle, achieve the grindset, start a business where youre your own boss. What if i didnt want that? What if being a boss sounds terrible to me? Do I not derserve to live comfortably while working a full time job, working JUST as hard as anyone else?
The absence of opportunity alone doesn’t define racism and bootstraps are not the solution to institutional racism
Bravo caller! Tell these race baiting grifters on LBC some home truths.
Shout out to Ash Sarkar, another brilliant female journalist of Asian extraction! Other than Ash & Sangita I cannot come up with any others. They are both awesome!
Ash can't wait till all the white people are gone, nice.!!
The BBC had 18 Asian presenters are you colour blind.
This is probably the best caller LBC have ever had (and yes I am black, from a below average socioeconomic background)
In the UK or the US ?
Are you a coconut then. If this is the best caller to you, says everything about your illness
The fact that the individual refers to itself as "black" tells you everything about it's state of mind.
@@daughterofenoch677 what assumption have you made about my state of mind then? The reality is morons like you would instantly assume because I disagree with you, that I must be white and therefore my opinion is invalid
@@mrman8388 standard. Not got anything intelligent to say, so go straight to insults, how pathetic. Seeing as you seem to know much about me, what illness are you referring to then?
I think I agree with the caller rather that the presenter. There’s a sense of victimhood among certain groups within society that if they are not disproportionately successful then there must be bigotry or racism at work. This is not to say racism or bigotry doesn’t exist; there are always bad apples, but to suggest it’s endemic or institutionalised is just not true.
Strange.. This reads like it was written by a white man
Studies on institutional racism in the justice system alone yield an overwhelming amount of evidence of its existence. So no, it unfortunately is true.
@@rainkidwell2467 maybe, but does that necessarily mean the option is not valid?
@@JonnM if you entirely lack the perspective from which to actually have an understanding of the thing you're talking about, yeah.. It kinda does? Someone else said it best - to those who are personally unaffected, the problem will NEVER seem institutionalized. You literally cannot see the problem because it selectively excludes you, you don't experience it. The only way you can come to understand it is by listening to the experiences of those who have
wonder if its because she is a woman or because she's asian, probably both.
I don’t believe it exists either.
Should've asked for his opinion on the moon landing.
Myska is off her head, there are plenty of asian female radio presenters
Exactly, but she has an enormous chip on her shoulder.
He’s a typical example of I if it’s not happening to me then it doesn’t exist, shame on him
So, what exactly are YOU doing about it Simba? Your backside's cheeks don't do shame, do they?
Systemic racism is when a system has outcomes that differ by race, regardless of the inputs - Sangita described a system where you put racism in and get racism out. That's just racism.
Yup, like being told to move away from the pavement outside a mosque...
@@apollomemories7399 ...what is?
@@segue2ant395 That's an example of systematic racism - being told to move away from the pavement outside a mosque. That's what happens now in London's east end.
this clip ended too soon, I can only assume Myska didnt end it there?
One thing I’ve realised since coming to this country 30 years ago, people in the uk is not as educated as we all thought before we came here, it’s the land of the dunce. Imagine narrating the rich man’s rhetoric whilst suffering absolutely BONKERS!
Did you really say this? Quote: "people in the uk is not as educated as we all thought before we came here"
Firstly, let me educate you on your grammar. That should read as "people in the uk ARE not as educated...".
I would suggest your exposure to the great British public has been extremely limited and you have only experienced those at the lower to lowest levels of society. If this great country of ours that you fail to appreciate and consider the "land of the dunce", why is it, therefore, that we have the best universities in the world and a plethora of inventions from every scientific discipline imaginable? Have you any idea of what you're talking about. Or is it the case that after 30 years of exposure to our First World technology, you have remained a Third World coolie?
Imagine us, the rich man, sending tons of money every year to aid the suffering of the world's third world citizens, people such as yourself. Yes indeed, we must be BONKERS!
But don't worry, when Remain come to power, you and all your ilk will be welcomed into the repatriation hospitality suites and shipped off back to from whence you came. Bon Voyage!
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
I, the one and only John doe, hereby declare that institutional racism doesn't exist
Another thick caller on the phone. Surprised he knew how to dial the number.
Thick he was certainly not. I also doubt he sports a pink suit very often either. Oh, the sartorial eloquence of the under class. Each to his own...
Why should we have our head down !!
If Chinese kids can do it why can't the rest? Chinese people suffer discrimination too.
He says he's not black, but we don't find out what ethnicity he actually is. This is very important to the understanding of his views and attitudes to this subject.
To me just listening to him, he appeared to have a slight accent of some sort, where from I just couldn't tell.
This could be significant because he may not have been genuine in the views that he was expressing or he may well be of the Priti Patel and Suella Bravaman school of drawbridge pullers.
Institutional racism means discrimination against all non indigenous people by definition
Dude is Asian. Willing to put money on him being an East African Asian or son of one of those that came in the 50s/60s/70s. Well known for their anti-black views a la Braverman and Patel.
He’s Asian.
@@cseosborn892 Must have missed that but it proves my point.
I cannot begin to articulate just how little I care for the opinions on institutionalised racism from people who’ve never experienced it. Their dismissals are like me, a man, telling a woman that childbirth isn’t all that painful.
"I cannot begin to articulate just how little I care for the opinions on witchcraft from people who've never experienced it." - Your ancestors
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 that riposte is not anywhere near as clever as you imagined it was in your head. But at least you tried. :)
@@inphanta What's truly goofy is the concept of "institutional racism."
Love Sangita. Where would we be without LBC? James O’Brien, Nick Abbot and others should be in politics in place of our vile Tory government.
Just because you may not or haven’t seen it personally doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. What bizarre stance to take. Quite ridiculous.
Sangita you can’t seriously believe you are the only Asian woman radio presenter in the UK? Your issue is classism not racism.
I soooooo love Sangita M … brilliant
Sangita, other presenters of Asian heritage..what about Anita Anand, and Mishal Hussein on BBC?
Sangita is beautiful and intelligent.
The caller believes ignorance is bliss !
America still has the effects of Red Lining. The UK has the "Post Code Lottery". It's baffling how people can not see this. Just because you may not be personally effected by an issue doesn't mean that issue doesn't exist.
Is this person ready claiming white minority syndrome? Hopefully not as I'm British Roma and I have been here since birth, I suggest that the caller needs to learn about Sir Robert Peel and what he wanted for syndrome to be a police officer, it is great reading and how the Conservative party took the name from the Conservative in the hotel in which they plotted and founded the Conservative party, nice.
What exactly is your point other than informing us of your reading ability?
The caller is Asian
@@cseosborn892 I couldn't tell that from all that was said.
Ah the "Just World Hypothesis" in full effect.
I disagree with him, but he makes interesting points. How many accept that the dice are stacked against them, conclude that they cannot succeed and give up. Thereby perpetuating the unevenness of the situation.
I think this person is assuming that admitting to constitutional racism automatically deprives a person of self belief/determination