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I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
Well done. Except, there are lies being pushed out by outlets like Fox. Corporate media is now driven purely for profit. Grifting is now the norm. Like the prosperity gospel. Small groups are driving the narrative and lying to millions of people for money. Orwellian is a cliche but it’s not far off. It all comes down to greed. Money and power. Just look at how our society is being divided. Why are so many people listening to someone like Joe Rogan? Petersen or Shapiro? Fox? Etc..
@@--Ezra-- IMHO, you have to be a good speaker, or give me pretty crap to watch...but this guy does good at both, honestly could prolly listen to him read a phonebook with that accent.
"The truth just doesn't get the clicks." An excellent final statement. I find as the media landscape develops into the digital age, getting to the truth becomes ever more difficult, takes up ever more energy. Yet, there is one piece of advice I'd like to give to anyone who's genuinely interested and doesn't just look for confirmation: be wary of conformity. Any conformity. Especially the kind of conformity that results if you are drawn into a group with which you feel to have a rapport. If you stay honest to yourself, it never lasts. Always be prepared to be the dissident voice. At least in anything important. I agree with certain talking points of this New Elite, but I remain detached from them.
I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
Even if you agree with them that doesn't mean you have the truth.The content providers who add show notes to demonstrate how their opinion may have been formed or confirmed at least are genuine in my opinion, and often are way ahead of the curve because they know where to look. The folks I pay most attention to for useful information are almost all banned from YT. and maintain a website to direct you to a media portal for their content. The really big names are rarely on top of things that I find out months and even years earlier because its not majorly profitable to really dig and flush out all the corruption.
Okay. Just be warned. ANYONE can be a UA-camr. So no matter how charismatic or dumb they are, they all started with the recoding camera, not credentials.
This was such an informative video, you touched on very important points about alternative media. I hadn’t thought about the aspect of appealing to the masses by implying being marginalized, ostracized, and being for the people. I do know that there is something for everyone, no matter the medium, social programming/social engineering has to offer a vast array of ideologies, subjects, etc to entice people to be distracted from the truth and reality. It is a hard fight to try to keep out of the traps set before us. Thank you so much for making this video!
Thanks, Then & Now. Your content restores some of my dwindling faith in humanity. Not because you're discussing humans being great in this video but because you're willing to really think about the challenges in society and treat them as more than after-thoughts while we all go back to just doing what we're told. I tip my cap to you, gentlemen.
Think about the amount of Randoms on comments giving it their own 2 cents and how much less in-fighting there is on the comments sections of videos like these. I'm 28 now but when I was 8 on the internet and had an edgy older brother living in the middle of nowhere. It's morbid but after seeing what I saw in the old internet back then I definitely remember how people who are likely in their late 40s and 50s now talked to each other online. I think the internet is exactly like a part 2 of the printing press. I think all of these guys are all living on borrowed time. They can't market to an audience that is too poor to relate to. I could see Gen Z and millennials recreating and setting up new institutions overtime. I dont think a lot of us even want to take over the old organizations and the genie is out of the bottle on education. They can gaslight as long as they want but if they do not have imagination or creativity boredom and despair will steamroll them
@@user35678_ttI’ve never heard of a Critical Thinking teacher or class in American high school curriculum, although critical thinking is a large part of several other subjects.
The history was interesting but about half way through, you completely lost your true north. Unfortunately you also missed the most important and critical aspects that you failed to expose. Legacy media is primarily propaganda owned and controlled by one major interest.
Oh HELL yes it’s a good day when I try ti decide what to listen TK while I work just as I get a notification for a new Then & Now video!! So excited to watch 👌🏻👌🏻
You pretty much nailed it regarding US news. I’m now 50, but as a lad my old man wouldn’t allow cable into our home. We had channel 2, 4 & 5 plus 7 & 11. ABC nbc cbs and PBS…..until…about age 12, enter FOX. I noticed right away the news wasn’t the same. They creeped in at first, and grabbed me with the Simpsons and Married with children. Might as well have been adult entertainment, but I distinctly remember thinking “something has changed “. Great work my friend.
I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
You’re media illiterate. From the context clues I take it you live in NY trying to associate channel numbers to networks. Different markets have networks on different channels in case you didn’t know. Of course this UA-camr would love our media to be nationalizes and he doesn’t even know squat about domestic media!
News Flash: The "news" has NEVER not been biased. People were just too dumb to realize it back then. Yes, your dad's news, grandpa's news, etc... ALL biased. You seriously believe the news was honest, fair, and completely unbiased during the era of Slavery? Reconstruction? Jim Crow? Segregation? Seriously!? I've got a fancy new bridge in NYC I'd like to sell you.
Why not make one yourself? I was thinking about how our economic base influences our society and culture. As a form of media youtube (& others) seems to be able to incentivise people to behave and think in a ruthlessly capitalistic manner, but without any capital. Like playing the game, but with no traditional reward. I think it conditions people to except it's values and priciples making them less likely to challenge it. Is yt an example of capitalism's self reinforcing & brainwashing facility? What do you think? 😁
At the half hour mark, I was suddenly reminded of the frustration the early communists had in Russia when they were trying to teach the peasants to read in hope of producing political awareness. Many of the peasants used their newfound literacy to read fiction and persisted with indifference towards politics.
@@lana-jg4ho this insight came from Daniel from the WHAT IS POLITICS youtube channel and podcast. He has simply the best channel for political theory
Communists teaching someone about political "awareness" sounds like something out of an article from The Onion with hindsight, knowing how that ideology has done and run things where they've been able to gain a foot hold.
The wind always blows towards money. 💰💰 Question the motives of your sources people. And yes, the truth doesn’t get the clicks but it is always attainable for those who seek it. Great video!
There is so much AI-generated misinformation on UA-cam with thumbnails like "They are taking this down", "They don't want you to know this" or, the best one "You or you have 24 hours left". Your video was refreshing, thank you for some realism. I am a subscriber and love your channel, much appreciated.
Titles like exactly that and others similar are over a decade old and were once even more widely used (you know, because stupid people).. My personal fav was "BANNED VIDEO" common way back when people used to make conspiracy videos about the illusive and powerful "Illuminatti".. And Bush/Cheney masterminding the 911 tragedy.. Then came the slough of clickbait reaction trigger titles for vids all about rappers and music industry ppl engaging in weird late night homosexual orgies deep in the California wilderness among the redwood trees with strange ancient pagan rituals and friend/family human sacrifices in order to advance their fame n fortune.. Surely much of that kind of content is deliberate misinfo/disinfo but also unfortunately there was plenty of it created by true believers and there always has and will be scores of half wits waiting to hop on and ride the newest and or most popular ready made conspiracy theory mystery saga's, the new form is echo chamber model tailored to popular bias like Q'anon. Sometimes I feel like I'm starting to understand and agree with Chinas intense censorship of internet/media. ;)
@@nikko.lottsahcocc6917 Bush couldn't mastermind anything. Cheney and Rummy asked for details of the PDB stating "OBL determined to use planes to attack buildings" when W, the most incurious POTUS ever (before trump) said, "OK Brownie you covered your ass, now let's move on." No questions about what kind of planes, how many, what buildings, how many casualties, nothing. Six weeks (or months) earlier a Cessna did a suicide crash into a TX IRS headquarters to protest taxes. W and others thought Cessnas were crashing into buildings on 9/11, and when Card informed W of the 2nd attack when he was at the school reading to kids, W asked "Cessnas", as shown in "Fahrenheit 9/11" by Michael Moore. Project for a New American Century was conjured by Rummy and Cheney after they worked together under G Ford. They wanted Clinton to attack Iraq after the 1st WTC bombing but he refused. SCOTUS denied FL their vote for Gore to put a moron in place who would go to war when they told him to. They knew he would try to stop the OBL attack if he knew they were commercial passenger planes so the TX IRS Cessna suicide mission was perfect. These are my conclusions after reading the transcript of the 9/11 congressional inquiry. I don't do conspiracies. Adam Curtis's "The Power of Nightmares" on BBC and UA-cam was helpful in my conclusions.
If you want to keep engagement up while these long, complex videos are being made, why not do a weekly vlog of what you are currently researching and what you think of the topic so far? Or whatever. Just regular off-the-cuff check-ins so those of us interested can spend 5 or 10 minutes remembering the channel exists. Surely as you work through the research for these epics, there must be tons of small moments where you discover something surprising, or you find yourself going off on a tangent, or down a rabbit-hole, or whatever. I think there'd be a non-zero group of people interested in short 10-minute unscripted updates while we twiddle our thumbs until the next big release.
I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
Fantastic video my friend!!!! I'm 30 and I think everyone around my age and younger ESPECIALLY need to watch this. I've found myself falling into the trap of the old media (CNN, FOX, etc) being 'biased' (to sum it up) and the new (Rogan, Peterson, etc) being 'true', for lack of a better word.. The idea that it's a modern take on the same old playbook has never occurred to me. Keep doing what you do. This is important work!
The USA is fifty-sixth on the Press Freedom Index for a reason. 90 percent of US media is in 8 corporate hands, and 77 percent is in six hands. CEOs of all 8 donated to Trump. They love an ignorant public who proved their gullibility by believing tucker carlsson's "Covid is a hoax" meme after CDC told the media and red states that 80 percent of the 1st wave of Covid deaths were FICA pensioners and dying reduced entitlement outlays. 700,000 FICA pensioners refused vaccines that could keep them alive and died. FICA canceled their payroll tax hike which rupert and tucker were facing. The anti-vax memes were to reduce entitlement outlays and boost the mortuary services index to a 27 percent gain YTD in aug '21. America's eugenics of pensioners went off without a peep of concern. VT lost 10 per 100K to COVID, and SD killed 107 per 100k because 81 of those were FICA pensioners who needed to be put down like a South Dakota puppy, without a gravel pit, to reduce entitlement outlays. Aussies lost 10,000 to Covid with a 27,000,000 population. Florida has 22,000,000 and Desantis killed 87,000 with Covid and bragged about reducing entitlement outlays. Red states had a 900 to 1000 percent higher kill rate than states and countries that consider the eugenics of pensioners to be unsavory. But, church attendance and revenue spiked from all the funerals, especially in the pro-life states.
Information was beautifully presented in the first part. Then selectively ignored when it came time to smear others. A group who deserves valid critique, at that!
Thank you for taking the time to compile and understand the information for the video! It was well produced and informational. Will be subscribing, and supporting you on patreon for just $1/mo is very tempting
There is nothing better than finding a channel dedicated to quality and insightful productions that are more than just titillation and dramatic flare. Keep up the good work.
Great video! i loved how you spent the first half critiquing the setablishment media then pivoted to pro establishment hit piece against independent media. Now that is how how to do propoganda. Keep it up!!
Wow, it's almost like both sides have the same problem and he was pointing it out! Almost like one should do their own research instead of listening to talking heads. 😂
I'm a conservative(US) and was convinced that I need to broaden the selection of outlets I get my news from. It might be difficult, but it's necessary. Thanks for the reminder. It's a shame this documentary only has 7k likes. And I appreciate you keeping it moderate. Keep up the good work.
Hey man great to hear about your plans. I‘m from Germany and the news here get worse with every second. Here‘s a short summary of channels and people I like watching: •Chris hedges (former NYT reporter) •Electronic Intifada (for middle east affairs, especially when it comes to Palestine) •(almost) all documentaries of and with John Pilger •Owen Jones (british activist, covers all kinds of stuff) •GDF (yt channel with only a few videos on international politics but these few videos are great) I can especially recommend Chris Hedges and Owen Jones. Good luck my guy🫶
You've always made good work. But this video is a perfection of your craft and philosophy. I consider myself relatively well informed, but thanks to this video I feel I've gained a new complex and useful understanding of how the historical, technological, and economic pressures present in the evolution of news media shaped the medium into what it is today, and how those factors continue to do so. I'm so grateful for this new perspective, and have so much respect for all the work and care you have put into crafting meaningful videos with the intention of helping folks see the world more clearly, with all of it's complexity. I intend to donate to you as soon as I can afford to, especially considering what I've just learned about how the need for funding, and the type of funding, shapes the medium itself.
Im the type of person who’s been to see Pod Save America and a Jordan Peterson lecture. Super middle of the road, I love hearing from both sides and can see the points each make, as well as their flaws, to the extent that my own life experience makes me biased. YT media has been a particular addiction of mine since I moved to Mexico a decade ago. I like the video and agree with a lot of it, but the focus is largely on right wing influencers when the left wing YT bros are easily just as dubious. Destiny saying the guy who died at the Trump rally deserved it. David Packman basically never having a good faith debate with anyone on the other side. Brian Tyler Cohen being a maestro of clickbait reaction stuff a la Rattlesnake dude. TYT (mostly Cenk) consistently demonizing the other side to the extent of parody and trying to run for president despite being ineligible. And I watch all of them and legit love TYT. But it’s all mental junk food. And let’s not even get started on the brain rot that is Bread Tube or the whole gender ideology algorithm spin cycle that is TikTok. The common thread between all of them is that they act like they’re of the people, often while themselves being millionaires. So again, great video, but we needn’t hyperfocus on the right and give the naive impression that leftwing sources and the millionaires who pretend they want socialism are even remotely better. It’s an issue I think about a lot, as my husband is obsessed with left wing populist Mexico-based UA-camrs like Diego Ruzzarin, a millionaire who says he’s a Marxist. My husband talks about Marxism like it’s a great idea, even though hes never read the communist manifesto and he’s a shinning example of meritocracy success, rising from working class, getting a degree, and starting a successful business where he works hard and is passionate about what he does. And thanks to Mexican tax code, he’s exempt from paying taxes. How convenient. 🙂↕️
"Das Kapital" is also Marx, and not communism, just flaws in capitalism The top-scoring countries on the Democracy Index are all Capitalist, but Democracies that mitigate Capitalism as FDR, Keynes, H Ford, and Eccles did in America until 1981 when reagan's trickle down killed the middle class. londonbanker.blogspot.com/2011/09/testimony-of-marriner-eccles-to.html
With that said, I recommend reading an obscure sweedish philosopher. Alexander Bard wrote in the 2000 a book called "The Netocrats", a new elite that will rise and prove the movement from Capitalism to Attentionalism. Tech barons and influencers reign in this new world and the new elites have more a triangular shape of hierarchy but at the same time, multiple piramids will form around different epistemic commons
found this very tilted against new independent media. The claim that working in a larger organization is a protection against lies and mistakes, does not prove accurate.
Oh totally disagree, nothing stops an independent journalist from lying. In an organisation there is a higher thank nothing chance of preventing misinformation.
The opposite is far less than that. With companies you can have other people fact check and their veracity is paramount. Single individuals can lie and distort with impunity and as long as they sell you an Us vs Them mindset, nothing will dissuade their fans.
I don't understand why you do this at this level. I'm always thankful! But just... Floored Everytime that someone I haven't met will talk to me about something and I feel more, and not less human.
Thank you for this video. It was very well thought out, very thorough, remained fairly neutral, and like your Russell Brand video, helped open my eyes to the deeper reasons of why the news is the way it is beyond just "(x) party is bad and heartless". Video essays like this are the voice of reason amidst all the chaos, and helps me stay grounded.
Thank God Peterson could not maintain his charade for long. These self-promoting moral authorities always burn out once celebrity overtakes judgement and their inner truths begin to leak out.
Things started to get really weird when his audiences started to deify him... it is ironic yet also in a sense not a coincidence that he always touted to have deeply studied authoritarianism as he himself is beginning to be a type of cult of personality.
In the end, all ideological positions crumble under the observable outcomes in reality, exposing the mythical personal utopia that everyone else whose sensible to me must like or just hasn't realised they should like and support yet. It's interesting to see how we continue towards the informational "dark forest" that is our future, where we must question why each and every one of us say what we say in spaces where we can have others see them, and decide upon the type and level of response, and what further opinions and stances we hold as appropriate and if they truly are correct or factual. Furthermore, what potential conflicts and escalations arise from these interactions will be quite interesting.
This was excellent. Thank you. Your work manifests the kind of personal passion and dedication to accuracy and thoughtfulness I understand and relate to.
Man, you are literally making documentaries that are better than anything the History Channel made before they turned into absolute hot garbage. Please keep doing what you're doing, your content is intelligent, thoughtful, and impactful. Love it 👏👏👏
It's amazing that a piece about framing falls prey to the same hypocritical judgements. What an absolutely insidious "well researched" criticism in favor of the mainstream. "Free speech is important, but we don't have to listen to it." I understand now why intellectualism like this is hated more and more. The last half hour is just a medley of greatest hits of biased quotes and psychological manipulation. Extremely disingenuous.
Or, hear me out, the entire video was about how the 'alternatives' are often times hypocritical and are doing the exact same thing as the 'mainstream.' The video didn't come across to me as favoring one side or the other but an acknowledgement that out media in any form is well and truly f'd.
Great video! That hypocrisy from the figures you talked about is something I felt from the start of the movement, couldn't understand why they were becoming so popular forming new types of personalities.
Got to your lazy & inaccurate description of Critical Drinker's channel before switching off. You claim to be analysing the content you've picked out with both a deeper grasp of trends within it & the altitude of historical context. Yet, from what I've seen, you neither understand (or care to show) the actual depth or subtlety in any of the work you present, nor the awareness it may have of its own historical moment. Basically, you're just another misrepresenting propagandist, busy peddling a line of political bias dressed up as objective criticism. I won't be coming back.
Mika educated Joe. Her brother was US ambassador to Sweden. I think Mika took Joe to Stockholm to see the 4th place Capitalist Democracy on the Democracy Index and the 3rd place country on the Press Freedom Index (USA is fifty-sixth), and 4th place on the Happiness Index. All the winners are capitalist Democracies but US media monopolies hate democracies so they call them socialist to scare Americans, when only 10 percent had passports in 1990. Twain: “It liberates the vandal to travel - you never saw a bigoted, opinionated, stubborn, narrow-minded, self-conceited, almighty mean man in your life but he had stuck in one place since he was born and thought God made the world and dyspepsia and bile for his especial comfort and satisfaction.” “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” Red staters never even leave their own state, but listen to tucker and trump rant about others poisoning their blood. I love Joe, Mika, and Rachel. Donahue used to live in my hometown of Centerville when he had his show in Dayton, OH.
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I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
you forgot to include "Inventing Reality" by michael parenti in your video.
Well done. Except, there are lies being pushed out by outlets like Fox. Corporate media is now driven purely for profit. Grifting is now the norm. Like the prosperity gospel. Small groups are driving the narrative and lying to millions of people for money. Orwellian is a cliche but it’s not far off. It all comes down to greed. Money and power. Just look at how our society is being divided. Why are so many people listening to someone like Joe Rogan? Petersen or Shapiro? Fox? Etc..
Liked and subscribed 👍🏻
Let’s get real knowledge out there.
Yesss, another long video full of quality and with no ads that I can enjoy for years! Thank you so much Then & Now!
Okay bot
It literally has ads.
Just have youtube ad free. I never get one single ad. It worth money
Except now he's pushing the agenda of the elites... Then & Now has fallen.
I can't imagine anyone finding this either entertaining or enlightening enough to rewatch. Good for you
Commenting to feed the algorithm monster
Me too.
Replying to feed it as well 😂
@@aealaeddin I have stopped commenting on U Tube videos because my data hasn't received payment from AI.
Lets go
Yippie
Thank you for all the incredible hard work that has gone into producing this resource. Much-needed and much appreciated!
Whoooooo!
In the words of Cody Johnston, “a short little video, don’t look at the time code!”
I’m looking forward to this!
And still i did watch it multiple times. I love long video essays.
@@--Ezra-- IMHO, you have to be a good speaker, or give me pretty crap to watch...but this guy does good at both, honestly could prolly listen to him read a phonebook with that accent.
Haha...love me some more news. Oddly enough.
Excellent work. The quality of your research and presentation is first class.
man, i love this guy's videos. so unbelievably underrated
Yes, he's great
That video was worth the wait. Many thanks and keep them coming!
Wow this is so amazing! I'm so glad to hear a human written in depth documentary. Thanks for being a proud content creator.
"The truth just doesn't get the clicks." An excellent final statement. I find as the media landscape develops into the digital age, getting to the truth becomes ever more difficult, takes up ever more energy. Yet, there is one piece of advice I'd like to give to anyone who's genuinely interested and doesn't just look for confirmation: be wary of conformity. Any conformity. Especially the kind of conformity that results if you are drawn into a group with which you feel to have a rapport. If you stay honest to yourself, it never lasts. Always be prepared to be the dissident voice. At least in anything important. I agree with certain talking points of this New Elite, but I remain detached from them.
I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
I don't want the mainstream media "truth", I don't buy their ideas anymore, anything that's not that have my attention.
Even if you agree with them that doesn't mean you have the truth.The content providers who add show notes to demonstrate how their opinion may have been formed or confirmed at least are genuine in my opinion, and often are way ahead of the curve because they know where to look. The folks I pay most attention to for useful information are almost all banned from YT. and maintain a website to direct you to a media portal for their content. The really big names are rarely on top of things that I find out months and even years earlier because its not majorly profitable to really dig and flush out all the corruption.
Who are these people?
@@fdssdfsdfs far right demagogues that believe that everything is a conspiracy that mostly appeal to incels and the like
No one has cable anymore. I just watch UA-cam now
Okay. Just be warned. ANYONE can be a UA-camr. So no matter how charismatic or dumb they are, they all started with the recoding camera, not credentials.
Love this channel. Keep it up!
I appreciate your work. Keep doin what you do, more people need to hear your take. 👏
I really enjoyed this man. It's monumental work. I've been watching you since Spinoza. Well done!
Outstanding work, I deeply appreciate this piece of art, journalism and a deep dive into communication theory.
Me too
I love the way your videos are put together and the way you articulate really nuanced ideas. Thanks for what you do.
best documentary I've seen so far this year, well done!
This was such an informative video, you touched on very important points about alternative media. I hadn’t thought about the aspect of appealing to the masses by implying being marginalized, ostracized, and being for the people. I do know that there is something for everyone, no matter the medium, social programming/social engineering has to offer a vast array of ideologies, subjects, etc to entice people to be distracted from the truth and reality. It is a hard fight to try to keep out of the traps set before us. Thank you so much for making this video!
Particularly well-sourced; the synthesis is excellent. Thanks!
Thanks, Then & Now. Your content restores some of my dwindling faith in humanity. Not because you're discussing humans being great in this video but because you're willing to really think about the challenges in society and treat them as more than after-thoughts while we all go back to just doing what we're told. I tip my cap to you, gentlemen.
Think about the amount of Randoms on comments giving it their own 2 cents and how much less in-fighting there is on the comments sections of videos like these.
I'm 28 now but when I was 8 on the internet and had an edgy older brother living in the middle of nowhere.
It's morbid but after seeing what I saw in the old internet back then I definitely remember how people who are likely in their late 40s and 50s now talked to each other online.
I think the internet is exactly like a part 2 of the printing press. I think all of these guys are all living on borrowed time.
They can't market to an audience that is too poor to relate to. I could see Gen Z and millennials recreating and setting up new institutions overtime.
I dont think a lot of us even want to take over the old organizations and the genie is out of the bottle on education.
They can gaslight as long as they want but if they do not have imagination or creativity boredom and despair will steamroll them
Garbage
These videos, let alone this especially, should be curriculum. I'm going to send this link to my high school political science teacher.
May be send it to your critical thinking teacher, first!
Critical thinking teacher FIRST before political cuz
Political is killing humanity
@@user35678_ttI’ve never heard of a Critical Thinking teacher or class in American high school curriculum, although critical thinking is a large part of several other subjects.
The history was interesting but about half way through, you completely lost your true north. Unfortunately you also missed the most important and critical aspects that you failed to expose.
Legacy media is primarily propaganda owned and controlled by one major interest.
Always a good day when Then and Now uploads
that is so true!
Excellent video. Simply the most informative and even-handed essay on media I've seen. Thanks
Oh HELL yes it’s a good day when I try ti decide what to listen TK while I work just as I get a notification for a new Then & Now video!! So excited to watch 👌🏻👌🏻
You pretty much nailed it regarding US news. I’m now 50, but as a lad my old man wouldn’t allow cable into our home. We had channel 2, 4 & 5 plus 7 & 11. ABC nbc cbs and PBS…..until…about age 12, enter FOX. I noticed right away the news wasn’t the same. They creeped in at first, and grabbed me with the Simpsons and Married with children. Might as well have been adult entertainment, but I distinctly remember thinking “something has changed “. Great work my friend.
I think things really started to change with CNN when they introduced 24 hour news
@@timelapsega seemed more like real news at first though, to me anyway. I didn’t watch too much of that, but yeah 24/7war coverage.
I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
You’re media illiterate. From the context clues I take it you live in NY trying to associate channel numbers to networks. Different markets have networks on different channels in case you didn’t know. Of course this UA-camr would love our media to be nationalizes and he doesn’t even know squat about domestic media!
News Flash: The "news" has NEVER not been biased. People were just too dumb to realize it back then.
Yes, your dad's news, grandpa's news, etc... ALL biased.
You seriously believe the news was honest, fair, and completely unbiased during the era of Slavery? Reconstruction? Jim Crow? Segregation?
Seriously!?
I've got a fancy new bridge in NYC I'd like to sell you.
This is a great video! I was hoping for more nuanced comments, but I guess it is still too early.
Why not make one yourself?
I was thinking about how our economic base influences our society and culture. As a form of media youtube (& others) seems to be able to incentivise people to behave and think in a ruthlessly capitalistic manner, but without any capital. Like playing the game, but with no traditional reward. I think it conditions people to except it's values and priciples making them less likely to challenge it.
Is yt an example of capitalism's self reinforcing & brainwashing facility? What do you think? 😁
@@kennycube5126 one thing you can say about yt : the ads are getting longer and more irritating.
As usual, great content. It´s amazing you pull this off in a team consisting of only 2 people. Congratulations!
It's easier when you have prefabricated talking points. But great work all the same.
Nice. Looking forward to seeing this.
I love these long form videos - the AI and Internet ones were great, so I'm mega excited about this.
Amazing video Lewis mate
Been looking forward to this! Thank you
A great job as usual. Thanks for this video.
You have done excellent work!
Love you! Your work is much appreciated.
Unbelievably high bar of quality on these videos
Bravo, good show ole chap. Subscribed
Love your channel! You’re one of only two channels that I am a patron of and I truly appreciate the effort that goes into videos like this.
At the half hour mark, I was suddenly reminded of the frustration the early communists had in Russia when they were trying to teach the peasants to read in hope of producing political awareness. Many of the peasants used their newfound literacy to read fiction and persisted with indifference towards politics.
They repeated the mistakes of the anarchists who came before them. Political awareness never develops as part of being preached at from above.
interesting!!!!
@@lana-jg4ho this insight came from Daniel from the WHAT IS POLITICS youtube channel and podcast. He has simply the best channel for political theory
Methinks you're misrepresenting the intentions of the bolsheviks
Communists teaching someone about political "awareness" sounds like something out of an article from The Onion with hindsight, knowing how that ideology has done and run things where they've been able to gain a foot hold.
this was impressively well created and reearched. keep it up!
An extraordinary piece of work.
The wind always blows towards money. 💰💰 Question the motives of your sources people. And yes, the truth doesn’t get the clicks but it is always attainable for those who seek it. Great video!
Thank goodness
There is so much AI-generated misinformation on UA-cam with thumbnails like "They are taking this down", "They don't want you to know this" or, the best one "You or you have 24 hours left". Your video was refreshing, thank you for some realism. I am a subscriber and love your channel, much appreciated.
Titles like exactly that and others similar are over a decade old and were once even more widely used (you know, because stupid people).. My personal fav was "BANNED VIDEO" common way back when people used to make conspiracy videos about the illusive and powerful "Illuminatti".. And Bush/Cheney masterminding the 911 tragedy.. Then came the slough of clickbait reaction trigger titles for vids all about rappers and music industry ppl engaging in weird late night homosexual orgies deep in the California wilderness among the redwood trees with strange ancient pagan rituals and friend/family human sacrifices in order to advance their fame n fortune.. Surely much of that kind of content is deliberate misinfo/disinfo but also unfortunately there was plenty of it created by true believers and there always has and will be scores of half wits waiting to hop on and ride the newest and or most popular ready made conspiracy theory mystery saga's, the new form is echo chamber model tailored to popular bias like Q'anon.
Sometimes I feel like I'm starting to understand and agree with Chinas intense censorship of internet/media. ;)
Yeah, you just can't click on dumb thumbnails or else you have ruined your algorithm and are doomed to be suggested it non stop lol.
@@SubvertTheState You can click the thumbs down and add it to not interested list
@@nikko.lottsahcocc6917 Bush couldn't mastermind anything. Cheney and Rummy asked for details of the PDB stating "OBL determined to use planes to attack buildings" when W, the most incurious POTUS ever (before trump) said, "OK Brownie you covered your ass, now let's move on." No questions about what kind of planes, how many, what buildings, how many casualties, nothing. Six weeks (or months) earlier a Cessna did a suicide crash into a TX IRS headquarters to protest taxes.
W and others thought Cessnas were crashing into buildings on 9/11, and when Card informed W of the 2nd attack when he was at the school reading to kids, W asked "Cessnas", as shown in "Fahrenheit 9/11" by Michael Moore.
Project for a New American Century was conjured by Rummy and Cheney after they worked together under G Ford. They wanted Clinton to attack Iraq after the 1st WTC bombing but he refused.
SCOTUS denied FL their vote for Gore to put a moron in place who would go to war when they told him to. They knew he would try to stop the OBL attack if he knew they were commercial passenger planes so the TX IRS Cessna suicide mission was perfect. These are my conclusions after reading the transcript of the 9/11 congressional inquiry. I don't do conspiracies.
Adam Curtis's "The Power of Nightmares" on BBC and UA-cam was helpful in my conclusions.
I put off watching this til I had two hours to focus... Worth every minute. Well done.
If you want to keep engagement up while these long, complex videos are being made, why not do a weekly vlog of what you are currently researching and what you think of the topic so far? Or whatever. Just regular off-the-cuff check-ins so those of us interested can spend 5 or 10 minutes remembering the channel exists. Surely as you work through the research for these epics, there must be tons of small moments where you discover something surprising, or you find yourself going off on a tangent, or down a rabbit-hole, or whatever. I think there'd be a non-zero group of people interested in short 10-minute unscripted updates while we twiddle our thumbs until the next big release.
I think I would like that, too. But I think there is a lot more work that goes into that than we might think.
I have been watching fair minded channels that are covering the Gaza conflict. They show actual videos of how the IDF is losing, these are not my words or fake videos. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, BBC, Newsmax and others will not report the truth, because if they do they will lose millions of dollars in advertising which is their main reason why they were created in the first place.
Unequivocally my favorite channel on the platform
Thank you for your work
Fantastic video my friend!!!! I'm 30 and I think everyone around my age and younger ESPECIALLY need to watch this. I've found myself falling into the trap of the old media (CNN, FOX, etc) being 'biased' (to sum it up) and the new (Rogan, Peterson, etc) being 'true', for lack of a better word.. The idea that it's a modern take on the same old playbook has never occurred to me.
Keep doing what you do. This is important work!
The USA is fifty-sixth on the Press Freedom Index for a reason. 90 percent of US media is in 8 corporate hands, and 77 percent is in six hands. CEOs of all 8 donated to Trump. They love an ignorant public who proved their gullibility by believing tucker carlsson's "Covid is a hoax" meme after CDC told the media and red states that 80 percent of the 1st wave of Covid deaths were FICA pensioners and dying reduced entitlement outlays. 700,000 FICA pensioners refused vaccines that could keep them alive and died. FICA canceled their payroll tax hike which rupert and tucker were facing. The anti-vax memes were to reduce entitlement outlays and boost the mortuary services index to a 27 percent gain YTD in aug '21. America's eugenics of pensioners went off without a peep of concern.
VT lost 10 per 100K to COVID, and SD killed 107 per 100k because 81 of those were FICA pensioners who needed to be put down like a South Dakota puppy, without a gravel pit, to reduce entitlement outlays. Aussies lost 10,000 to Covid with a 27,000,000 population. Florida has 22,000,000 and Desantis killed 87,000 with Covid and bragged about reducing entitlement outlays. Red states had a 900 to 1000 percent higher kill rate than states and countries that consider the eugenics of pensioners to be unsavory. But, church attendance and revenue spiked from all the funerals, especially in the pro-life states.
I’m going to have to watch this twice. There was a lot of information in here.
Information was beautifully presented in the first part. Then selectively ignored when it came time to smear others. A group who deserves valid critique, at that!
Love these longform videos. Hope I can donate again soon.
Thought-provoking video! Balanced, informative, and rigorously researched. Absolutely worth the wait. Thank you, Then and Now!
erm... reality check?
@@bosstuna8115which of your favourite little guys did he question?
Your works are always exceptional. I am speechless
Love this channel
As does your confirmation bias.
Thank you for taking the time to compile and understand the information for the video! It was well produced and informational. Will be subscribing, and supporting you on patreon for just $1/mo is very tempting
Thank you Lord! I was starting to feel famished waiting for the next one to drop.
There is nothing better than finding a channel dedicated to quality and insightful productions that are more than just titillation and dramatic flare. Keep up the good work.
Agreed! I love to learn
A very timely video. I specially loved the "Manufacturing Consent" part of it.
I read that years ago and loved it.
Can't thank you enough for all of the brilliant insights and thorough research.
Great video! i loved how you spent the first half critiquing the setablishment media then pivoted to pro establishment hit piece against independent media. Now that is how how to do propoganda. Keep it up!!
Exactly.
Casey! You stole the word from me mouth, 'damn! 😂
Wow, it's almost like both sides have the same problem and he was pointing it out! Almost like one should do their own research instead of listening to talking heads. 😂
I'm a conservative(US) and was convinced that I need to broaden the selection of outlets I get my news from. It might be difficult, but it's necessary. Thanks for the reminder. It's a shame this documentary only has 7k likes. And I appreciate you keeping it moderate. Keep up the good work.
Hey man great to hear about your plans. I‘m from Germany and the news here get worse with every second.
Here‘s a short summary of channels and people I like watching:
•Chris hedges (former NYT reporter)
•Electronic Intifada (for middle east affairs, especially when it comes to Palestine)
•(almost) all documentaries of and with John Pilger
•Owen Jones (british activist, covers all kinds of stuff)
•GDF (yt channel with only a few videos on international politics but these few videos are great)
I can especially recommend Chris Hedges and Owen Jones.
Good luck my guy🫶
Very good video
You've always made good work. But this video is a perfection of your craft and philosophy. I consider myself relatively well informed, but thanks to this video I feel I've gained a new complex and useful understanding of how the historical, technological, and economic pressures present in the evolution of news media shaped the medium into what it is today, and how those factors continue to do so.
I'm so grateful for this new perspective, and have so much respect for all the work and care you have put into crafting meaningful videos with the intention of helping folks see the world more clearly, with all of it's complexity.
I intend to donate to you as soon as I can afford to, especially considering what I've just learned about how the need for funding, and the type of funding, shapes the medium itself.
Another brilliantly researched video.
This is among the most comprehensive rundowns of human communication, media, and culture. Thank you so much!
Im the type of person who’s been to see Pod Save America and a Jordan Peterson lecture. Super middle of the road, I love hearing from both sides and can see the points each make, as well as their flaws, to the extent that my own life experience makes me biased. YT media has been a particular addiction of mine since I moved to Mexico a decade ago. I like the video and agree with a lot of it, but the focus is largely on right wing influencers when the left wing YT bros are easily just as dubious. Destiny saying the guy who died at the Trump rally deserved it. David Packman basically never having a good faith debate with anyone on the other side. Brian Tyler Cohen being a maestro of clickbait reaction stuff a la Rattlesnake dude. TYT (mostly Cenk) consistently demonizing the other side to the extent of parody and trying to run for president despite being ineligible. And I watch all of them and legit love TYT. But it’s all mental junk food. And let’s not even get started on the brain rot that is Bread Tube or the whole gender ideology algorithm spin cycle that is TikTok. The common thread between all of them is that they act like they’re of the people, often while themselves being millionaires.
So again, great video, but we needn’t hyperfocus on the right and give the naive impression that leftwing sources and the millionaires who pretend they want socialism are even remotely better.
It’s an issue I think about a lot, as my husband is obsessed with left wing populist Mexico-based UA-camrs like Diego Ruzzarin, a millionaire who says he’s a Marxist. My husband talks about Marxism like it’s a great idea, even though hes never read the communist manifesto and he’s a shinning example of meritocracy success, rising from working class, getting a degree, and starting a successful business where he works hard and is passionate about what he does. And thanks to Mexican tax code, he’s exempt from paying taxes. How convenient. 🙂↕️
"Das Kapital" is also Marx, and not communism, just flaws in capitalism The top-scoring countries on the Democracy Index are all Capitalist, but Democracies that mitigate Capitalism as FDR, Keynes, H Ford, and Eccles did in America until 1981 when reagan's trickle down killed the middle class. londonbanker.blogspot.com/2011/09/testimony-of-marriner-eccles-to.html
This was wonderful. I didn't know what to expect but the level of analysis surprise me. Keep, the good work
With that said, I recommend reading an obscure sweedish philosopher. Alexander Bard wrote in the 2000 a book called "The Netocrats", a new elite that will rise and prove the movement from Capitalism to Attentionalism. Tech barons and influencers reign in this new world and the new elites have more a triangular shape of hierarchy but at the same time, multiple piramids will form around different epistemic commons
i love your documentaries
since the spinoza one, u look friendableª!
Long form content at its best with only two people. Thank you for this!
Omg new video!!!
Omg!
Your videography is so dope. Most who speak on subjects like these are in front of a bookshelf 144fps no microphone type beat
Thanks!
Your effort is appreciated.
found this very tilted against new independent media. The claim that working in a larger organization is a protection against lies and mistakes, does not prove accurate.
Oh totally disagree, nothing stops an independent journalist from lying. In an organisation there is a higher thank nothing chance of preventing misinformation.
The opposite is far less than that. With companies you can have other people fact check and their veracity is paramount. Single individuals can lie and distort with impunity and as long as they sell you an Us vs Them mindset, nothing will dissuade their fans.
This was great. Thanks for making this
The Truth is usually complex while a lie is always simple. As humans we prefer simplicity over complexity.
This channel is a goldmine
👍great video!! Thank you
I don't understand why you do this at this level. I'm always thankful! But just... Floored Everytime that someone I haven't met will talk to me about something and I feel more, and not less human.
Damn, impressive work once again. Cogent and well argued, as usual.
Well done Lewis.
Thank you for this video.
It was very well thought out, very thorough, remained fairly neutral, and like your Russell Brand video, helped open my eyes to the deeper reasons of why the news is the way it is beyond just "(x) party is bad and heartless".
Video essays like this are the voice of reason amidst all the chaos, and helps me stay grounded.
"The strong rule the weak and the clever govern the strong."
B. Rice
May the algorithm gods bless this incredibly well researched and insightful video.
Thank God Peterson could not maintain his charade for long. These self-promoting moral authorities always burn out once celebrity overtakes judgement and their inner truths begin to leak out.
Peterson is the full Adolph. And 🌰s
Things started to get really weird when his audiences started to deify him... it is ironic yet also in a sense not a coincidence that he always touted to have deeply studied authoritarianism as he himself is beginning to be a type of cult of personality.
In the end, all ideological positions crumble under the observable outcomes in reality, exposing the mythical personal utopia that everyone else whose sensible to me must like or just hasn't realised they should like and support yet.
It's interesting to see how we continue towards the informational "dark forest" that is our future, where we must question why each and every one of us say what we say in spaces where we can have others see them, and decide upon the type and level of response, and what further opinions and stances we hold as appropriate and if they truly are correct or factual. Furthermore, what potential conflicts and escalations arise from these interactions will be quite interesting.
@@celestecanyonYou have to be amazingly ignorant about Adolf to believe that. Jordan Petersen is, however, nuts.
This was excellent. Thank you. Your work manifests the kind of personal passion and dedication to accuracy and thoughtfulness I understand and relate to.
This channel is phenomenally enlightening!🎉❤😊
Never been happier to ignore the news
Good documentary, your editor remains on point.
We all have biases, but i can tell you tried to straddle thhe line. Greaat job!
Man, you are literally making documentaries that are better than anything the History Channel made before they turned into absolute hot garbage. Please keep doing what you're doing, your content is intelligent, thoughtful, and impactful. Love it 👏👏👏
It's amazing that a piece about framing falls prey to the same hypocritical judgements. What an absolutely insidious "well researched" criticism in favor of the mainstream. "Free speech is important, but we don't have to listen to it." I understand now why intellectualism like this is hated more and more. The last half hour is just a medley of greatest hits of biased quotes and psychological manipulation. Extremely disingenuous.
The last 10 minutes is just an all out attack on new media :)
Or, hear me out, the entire video was about how the 'alternatives' are often times hypocritical and are doing the exact same thing as the 'mainstream.' The video didn't come across to me as favoring one side or the other but an acknowledgement that out media in any form is well and truly f'd.
Great video! That hypocrisy from the figures you talked about is something I felt from the start of the movement, couldn't understand why they were becoming so popular forming new types of personalities.
This should be the introduction video for all of UA-cam
Yeah man, we should like, mandate it!
Thank you for another great contribution 👍
Got to your lazy & inaccurate description of Critical Drinker's channel before switching off. You claim to be analysing the content you've picked out with both a deeper grasp of trends within it & the altitude of historical context. Yet, from what I've seen, you neither understand (or care to show) the actual depth or subtlety in any of the work you present, nor the awareness it may have of its own historical moment. Basically, you're just another misrepresenting propagandist, busy peddling a line of political bias dressed up as objective criticism. I won't be coming back.
How did I miss this video in my feed?! Watching immediately.
Great Video. So glad to see someone finally standing up for Rachel Maddow and Joe Scarborough. Those guys are so honest and credible.
😂 Good One!
...lol...Good one!😂
Mika educated Joe. Her brother was US ambassador to Sweden. I think Mika took Joe to Stockholm to see the 4th place Capitalist Democracy on the Democracy Index and the 3rd place country on the Press Freedom Index (USA is fifty-sixth), and 4th place on the Happiness Index. All the winners are capitalist Democracies but US media monopolies hate democracies so they call them socialist to scare Americans, when only 10 percent had passports in 1990.
Twain: “It liberates the vandal to travel - you never saw a bigoted, opinionated, stubborn, narrow-minded, self-conceited, almighty mean man in your life but he had stuck in one place since he was born and thought God made the world and dyspepsia and bile for his especial comfort and satisfaction.”
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” Red staters never even leave their own state, but listen to tucker and trump rant about others poisoning their blood. I love Joe, Mika, and Rachel. Donahue used to live in my hometown of Centerville when he had his show in Dayton, OH.
This is one of the best videos I've ever seen on UA-cam.
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A refreshing critique of modern media... Thank you.