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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2021
- In this latest episode of Tank Chats, Curator David Willey details the German Marder. A post-war Infantry Fighting vehicle.
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"My tank" from 1994 to 1996 (as gunner and later as squad leader).
Thanks a lot for posting this video of the Eisenschwein!
How does he dare to talk about afghanistan
Is it me or do German soldiers call any tin can they come across on the battlefield Eisenschwein? Or is it a different 1 every generation? It is rather a generic name of course, I imagine that any metal object deserves this nickname at some time.
A while ago in a video from Military History Visualized an ex Leopard 1 driver called 2 different vehicles Eisenschwein (not the Leopard 1 I think). I don't remember which ones but I think I'd have remembered if it was the Marder, as I've always quite liked it.
"iron pig" LOL
@@exharkhun5605 the GDR's soldiers funnily enough called the BTR's "Eisenschwein" as well.
@@exharkhun5605 No, we sometimes referred to the Leopard 1 as "Bagger" (digger/excavator).
I just wanted to say a personal thank you to David Willey for helping me get through last year's craziness with the chats from your back yard. I miss you throwing your dog a ball. 😃
7:31 I love how the trooper looses his magazine while dismounting
Good spot
Yeah, me too - giving the term mag dump a whole new meaning!!
@@stanislavczebinski994 It looks like a FN-FAL. I carried one for years and never had this problem.
@@rtguy1080 it's a G3
@@rtguy1080 H&K G3. Maybe one of the reasons why we don't have conscripts any more...
As a former Leopard 2 commander and platoon leader i have to say, we battle tank guys never considered a Marder a tank. Fun story: When we cleaned the barrel of our main gun during cadet officer training, a "Panzergrenadier" major told us, that in WW2 tank crews used cats for the cleaning, when there was lack of brushes and cleaning equipment. One of us answered in a rather dry manner, that mice would suffice for the Panzergrenadier Marder.
The major left without a word.
Cats for cleaning the gun!!! The nazis really were nasty.
@@PibrochPonder He did not mention what side used it, even not sure, whether it is true. He mainly wanted to make fun of us, but that backfired.
@@ahemzal and secretly we admire each other 😃
There actually was a Marder II program. It got canceled as peace broke out. The prototype is sitting at the WTS in Koblenz, Germany. Huge, heavy, well protected with a 35mm (exchangeable with a 50mm) auto cannon.
The Marders in AFG were actually equipped with a cooling system and a SAAB Barracuda camouflage kit. That reduced the heat problem.
As peace viuolently smashed its way into being.
"....when peace broke out...." Is that a Monty Python reference?
The Marder II Prototype is on display in the Panzermuseum Munster
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 I don’t know about one in Munster. I definitely know that one Prototype was in Koblenz as late as 2019, because I saw it there during “Museum Night”.
@@rebsredone450 and i was on Saturday in Munster and could give Marder II a pat.
Sitting right between Marder 1A1 cut away study model and Puma
Really interesting vehicle!
Didn't expect to see you here! Love your vids man
@@sergiogonzalez8080 indeed
I love your videos! You, The Tank Museum, Lindybeig, Alex and other creators kept me sane during Quarantine. Thank you all!
Its in war thunder
Hello, John!
The 4 Gun ports in the infantry compartment ( "hinterer Kampfraum") were exclusively for the 4 UZI 9mm smg aboard ( driver, gunner, commander, leader infantry carried UZI smg as PDW( and P1 until 1980))
The smg UZI was attached and locked into a ball port, with a bullet proof glass sight of 1 inch. Also 4 x bags to catch the spent shells were available, to be attached to the 4 UZI, when mounted in the 4 ball ports. No other infantry weapon could be used in a ballport, UZI only.
The ballports were scrapped together with the rearward facing MG3 above the entry ramp in early 80's.
Former gunner and commander of IFV Spz Marder here, in PzGren Division6.
"Dran, Drauf, Drüber!"
Did you ever train with the firing ports? Gonna assume they were as useless as the Bradley ones.
@@frostedbutts4340 good question and i am trying hard, only remember locking an uzi into the ball repeatedly, there should have been a live fire exercise on the range for these, as we shot every other weapon extensively, but just can't recall shooting ballports, no memory of using cartridge shell bags ever. We only serviced ballports with grease. So your assumption was right, quite useless those are. We were young lads, our superiors probably knew the ballports were on their way out, so no attention given to them. In the big technical manual, the marder "bible" there was next to nothing about those, this i do recall now, so my guess is, they knew from early on about the rather useless ballports. Supporting this, is the fact that the MG3 in the back was treated likewise, i remember it being trained on maybe once on the range, it would be scrapped with the ballports as well. The visibility through the 1" sights in the ballport was quite bad of course too.
Imagine firing a G3 inside a small IFV.
What a terrible idea
@@frostedbutts4340It’s a pretty late answer, but we’ve Trained it in the PzGrenBtl332.
My tank as a commander and platoon leader between 1987 and 1989. Very reliable, but too slow to follow the Leopard 2 in the open country. One big disadvantage is the missing hatch for the gunner. He can´t leave the turret when the gun is aimed between 3 and 6 o´clock (Oh my god, the tank is on fire!). Dankeschön for this video!
9:40 I don't think the gun is called "Mark 20". It's MK20 for "Maschinenkanone 20 mm".
Yep.
It is a British thing to do. Mk is the traditional abbreviation for Mark, and it is amazingly easy for British people to just say everything Mk X = Mark X, no matter how hard they try to stop themselves. It gets even funnier when you start mixing in military experience, as British military nomenclature really loves calling things Mark and such with often little qualification. The memes "Mark 1 Eyeball" to represent direct visuals and the "Mark 1 Hand" in British military circles comes from Mark 1 being the most common name for the basic version of everything.
@@genericpersonx333 The US Navy has traditionally used the "Mark" designation too. But we all were issued the Mark 1 Mod 0 eyeball.
I used to work for a place that built umbilical cables for connecting weapons to the carrying aircraft. We build cables for the Mark 46/50 torpedoes to hook them up to the P-3 aircraft. I never succeeded in convincing the civilian types in the factory that they were NOT "EM KAY" 46 cables. People are getting dumber. Even Lincoln calls their car now the "Em Kay Ex" even though they historically had the Lincoln Continentals, Mark II through V.
@@Mishn0 The joy of life for true. Mind, as long as people specify they mean the M1 tank and not the M1 rifle or the M1 spoon, I can live with it.
@@genericpersonx333 In that instance, M is for model, not mark.
Some more interesting tidbits:
It did eventually get AC in Afghanistan.
The gun is not stabilized.
The ammo type fired can be changed on the fly without manually reloading the gun.
Something sonething thirty days in the sweatbox for disobeying an offzier!
I want to thank and congratulate Mr. David Willey for his excellence and dedication in using the original German names and the perfect pronunciation of those. As a native German in Scotland it so to say "Warms ma tatties".
??? Lol.
Слава России ..Гераням Слава!!!
7:30 guy just randomly loses his mag
Hahha. The same.
I just saw it. Oh boy, someone is in trouble. Loosing weapon parts is not fun. He has to fill in the notificaion of loss 5 times.
@@waldmeister0815 yes....and the whole squad has to look for it....no more weekend leaves for the poor bugger....on the other hand ...we lost a tank in norway once, had to bring a heliocopter in with a flir system
Slight hazard of the G3 with paddle magazine-release, as it does like to catch on things in the funniest angles. That is, assuming, the Landser didn't do it on purpose because he was about to reload.
@@gilde915 How does someone lose a tank? Did it just kinda slip and go off the mountain side?
7:30 lol, his magazine falls out of his rifle!
The Bundeswehr added air conditioners to the Marder they deployed to Afghanistan. These were mounted at the rear of the vehicles next to the ramp, I'm not sure on which side it was, but it extended the rear of the vehicles about 50 centimeters.
The problem was the soldiers who arrived newly in Afghanistan had trained previously on vehicles without air conditiiners, so it happened that some soldiers want to jump of the ramo, and crashed their heads to these air conditioners!So the instructors in Germany trained the next contingent of soldiers to run about a meter away from the vehicle before they turned sideways😉.
Слава России ..Гераням Слава!!!
🇷🇺🤡💩
These videos really are quality. I wish more museums would do videos like this discussing their artefacts, you get so much more information you wouldn't normally and you get to hear stuff about the items normally hidden away in the back.
As a counter to the 'I don't personally like the new ads' messages: I find them very annoying too, but If they're more effective at helping the museum than the old way, then please do continue with them. I'll survive 😂.
Agreed they need to do them at the beginning of the vid or the end of it like they have been doing.
I don't give a rats about the ads but the intro/extro noise really gives me the yips.
That's what the fast forward is for.
as always, fascinating. The Friday afternoon tank-chat just starts the weekend :) It would be interesting to compare this to the Warrior.
Or all three, bmp, warrior and this. (Because Emile has a winch bmp in bits and it has some weird stuff, but is generally well thought out.
Слава России ..Гераням Слава!!!
Amazing the long service span of this vehicle. 50 years now, still getting updates… 😳
Well thats no wonder, the supposed succesor Marder II was canceled in the 1990s because, well even if its first prototype was up and running and looking promising, the politicians were horrified that such a vehicle costs money and that its too heavy. And not really needed.
But no worries. After canning the whole thing, the MOD decided shortly after (1996) that such a vehicle is indeed NEEDED and started to write the requirement for a new model. PUMA, better, lighter, costing surely almost nothing (and seemingly every year with changing requirements ... yaay) that is, if one wants to be nitpicky, till now still in ongoing developement hell, doesn`t work right & will probably not be completly without flaws before 2030, while being one of the most expensive of its kind.
And as an added bonus, regarding its transport capacity, especiall for soldiers over 180cm height, the marder is able to tranport those, the Puma not ...and no other country buys this thing, because it costs, what 18 million a pop ... and that in a state that would still require costly fixing of some problems.
Oh and its as heavy in its C variant as the Marder 2 would have been. But till now the whole progam costs around. Germany efficency at its finest.
@@MERLK2 the puma does work right now ,only issue theyre currently having (as far as iknow) is the spike missile system notworking but thats not a vehicle issue but one of the company that made the missile.
That it's as heavy as the marder 2 in the c configuration also isnt a downside as the c variation is the one with all the armor packages on that youd send to fight the russians not the base model or the configuration youd use for peacekeeping. As for ''no other country buys this thing'' yeah that would be a downside if the puma was even for sale but it isnt even for sale outside of germany the export ifv of the companies making the Puma is the lynx.
Like Puma is not perfect but you make it seem worse than it is right now.
Only persistent issues im aware of right now is like i said the spike missiles not working as advertised but thats not the vehicles fault and the fact the thign ended up heavier thna initially designed but thats just what happens when weapons improve and you try to counter it. pretty normal both the leopard 2 and the M1 abrams are significantly heavier now than they used to be specifically because of that.
As for it not being issue free well no vehicle is issue free and ever will be, sometimes stuff only starts to show up when you start to actually use them ( for example early M1 abrams not having sand fiters for the gasturbine because noone expected to figth a war in iraq ).
@@herocommand Its NOT working right now.
Fact is - of the over 1000 technical faults from almost 10 years ago, most of those regarding the drivetrain, engine, and chassis can now be solved .. through an upgrade packet. In other cases the troop has found ways to work around/live with it
But ... VJTF or now officially Rüststand S1 is not jet implemented. In fact, the Go for the project got greenlightedonly 8 weeks ago. And that only for around 150 IFVs, the rest is only in a pretty vaque "option"
Around March this year there were still problems with the FCS and the MK. not only the missiles.
So no, the Puma as it got delievered is still not "Truppentauglich" aka working. And won`t be for a while. The new upgrade paket might change that (and includes finally a quite promising electro-opical systems). But to upgrade 150, or hopefully all Puma will take some years. And that is only if it works, cause the upgrade package solves many problems, but includes new tech. And we know how new tech goes in the field.
Don`t understand me wrong, Im not against the puma, its in its core just a bit more modern Version of what the Marder II would have been. But it was created in such ridiculous moronic way, that building the Marder II, and then modernizing it, would have been so much cheaper, faster and sensible.
And wouldn´t have forced the Bundeswehr to use ancient vehicles, and to waste money to upgrade those relics just to run em for a couple more years, because the new ones don´t work. Or are capable to transport soldiers that have the luck to bigger then 184 cms. Or can shoot the maingun without frying the FCS for a few second
And yes - they tried to sell the PUMA. Netherlands tried em and decided to buy a swedish one, and the CEO of KMM thought for a while that they could try to offer it to greek, turkey and spain ... well they really thought those could buy em. And that the bundestag would give the greenlight to it.
It's like a game from Electronic Arts :D
@@MarcusSchmalzlockus Underrated joke. 😂
A2 was my "car" for more then 9 years in the german army. loved it. by the way ... this piece of metal have a nickname .. we called it "Eisenschwein" .... iron pig :)
Haha, Eisenschwein wurde für einige Fahrzeuge verwendet, sowohl in Ost als auch West-Deutschland. ^^
Handsome looking IFV, saw many of them in Germany during the 70's.
Actually one of, if not the first real IFV in Nato armies while many countries were still using battle taxis like the M113.
Just came back from another day of training with Marder 1A3 - still a great vehicle!
The new like-and-subscribe thing is much more annoying than the previous way. But you can’t get rid of me that easily.
That +65 degree is pretty useful for urban combat too, armoured forces had learned from bitter experience just how vulnerable they were in built up areas.
Excellent video lads, though I'd appreciate not being shouted at half-way through it.
I 100% agree
This vehicle is an absolute menace in War Thunder. It's good to learn about the actual thing too! Great video!
And now there is another one in the next patch with thermals
No armor Best armor
@@SpiderPigggg bruh what BR?
@@RYNOCIRATOR_V5 I think 8.0 after the East German BMP-1
@@SpiderPigggg lol thermals 8.0
maus 7.7 B A L A N C E
Ironically the North German Plain in summer and autumn is often exceeding hot. Anyone who remembers Crusader and Lionheart, the exercises were stalled due to the continuing extreme heat. A/C would have been a good addition in the first place.
I think the Marder has had a huge impact on the design of western infantry fighting vehicles. It was delivered out more than 10 years before the Warrior or the Bradley, and most of its architecture components actually correspond to what is currently "standard" in Western infantry fighting vehicles.
9:45 it is not the Mark 20, MK20 stands for "MaschinenKanone 20"
What an impressive beast of a vehicle!
Thanks for covering it, David. 👍
Love the tank museum thank you for everything you all do! I hope one day I can go visit at least ounce in my life. I am so grateful you make such great and informative videos.
Another brilliant video about a very interesting vehicle. Battle proven and rugged.
Thank you David.
Marder 2 was built, one of the prototypes is at the WTS Koblenz Museum. The programme as a whole was axed due to budget cuts after the end of the Cold War.
Thank you , David .
I did a short Video with my new Gimbel on the early Marder 1 cut away model (in german ;) ) on my small channel. In that you can get a bit of a look on the inside and also see quite a few differences to this model.
There were/are actually 3 different replacemnet programs for the Marder. The first was Marder 2, which was practically ready, but 1990 happend. Then there was a Marder replacement program as part of the KPZ90 project (I think) and then Puma came along.
It is either "Jagdpanzer Kanone" or "Kanonenjagdpanzer". "Jagdkanone" isnt correct i think. But nice Video as always :)
Many thanks to armry and to sales arms teams
Interesting chat again, thank you. Museum director interrupting chat with advertisements is very annoying, though.
Even worse: it is not only annoying, we all skip it anyway at this point.
It is a free video. And the museum needs to gets funds to survive. What a complaining age we live in
@@Crissy_the_wonder They used to have advertisements in the end of the video. That was in my opinion better
New video from the Tank Museum! Nice! Looking forward to visiting the museum, now that covid has lifted somewhat.
My father served as a driver on one of these in 1979 and 1980. Funny thing since he was 196cm or 6'5. 39 years later i served on the Marder myself, the A3 and A5 versions to be exact. In 2018 we slowly started to switch to the Puma. Good old PzGrenBtl.212.
DRAN DRAUF DRÜBER!!!
Ich danke Ihnen für Ihren Dienst!
Ich selbst habe '87-'00 gedient (PzGrenBtl332), auf dem Marder1a2 und später auf dem 1a3. Ein Fahrzeug, welches ich auf ewig ins Herz geschlossen habe!
I very much enjoy you simply holding your notes sir.
Nice notebook, fluid story, looks very well as an old class professor.
Not a problem at all. Perfect picture.
😁👍🏻
Keep them coming guys, great video as always!!
Another excellent chat on a very interesting vehicle. More please!
Best presentation I've seen so far. Enough detail, but also concise and to the point.
And if I may say so: Yurr English iss ferry goot.
As the Ukraine War shows, armies do not need the newst stuff, they need stuff that will get the job (protecting the crew foremost) done in sufficient numbers. Most recent equipment (like the Puma) might be nice to have but the fact it can't be built fast enough might cause rethinking, especially when equipment is lost in fighting but can't be replaced or even provided in time.
>Only the Driver training variant
I mean Marder Roland SAM exists.
Just like Flakpanzer Gepard can be considered as "Leopard 1 variant", the Marder Roland is also a variant of the Marder family that actually see service. As a counterpart of the French AMX-30 Roland, This Marder variant was made to replace the obsolete towed Bofors 40mm mount and 140 Marder Roland were made for the Bunsdeswehr which equipped three regiments that were assigned to three separate Bundeswehr Corps.
Considering the modern love of remote weapon stations, the MG on the rear deck seems like a good idea. Especially in urban settings.
I think the problem was the commander was running the main gun, he didn't have time to dedicate to directing a second gun doing the same job. He would probably rather turn the turret and just use his main, at the same time, the main was blocked from that angle by the remote. Plus double the maintenance... I could see the lack of appeal for crews.
@@littlekong7685 Didn't one of the infantrymen control it? Which would explain why they removed it, besides being useless.
Also took up space in the back compartment....
Great video, thank you!
Please keep up the IFV Chats! Loving the combined arms approach. Warrior/Puma/VCBI/Boxer please?
7:30. Well that mag is gone
I wondered if anyone else had spotted that lol
I scrolled al the way to see if someone saw that. The guy as he loses his mag 😰
And of course it's like the muddiest day of the year so you know that thing is just caked in it
wasn't even inserted very well
Sehr gut erklärt...👍
Well done...and greetings from Germany...
Great chat as always.
Thanks for mentioning the TAM and VCTP variants. Greetings from Argentina!!!
I know your Marders were in the FRY and that Peacekeeping mission was anything but. Didn't they see combat there, or was that outside of the ROEs for your troops ?
Very informative thank you, I find this kind of video very interesting.
Thank you Mr Willey, another great presentation, ask Mr Fletcher if he'd like to watch one of yours before his next piece to camera ;)
7:30 last guy loses his mag 🙃
Most awesome AFV design ever
A very interesting vehicle. Thank you.
Fascinating stuff as usual
I love the tank chats but the addition of mid-video ads brings the video quality down IMO. Really breaks up the pacing.
I get that the museum needs to make money and I did buy stuff from the store but keeping the ads for the beginning and end would fare better.
Agree, he also comes across like a sleazy used car salesman.
It’s very unprofessional
You should have shown more modern variants when talking about them .Your Mader also seeems to have a different frontal hull design. Still, great video, thanks!
17:55 there was another variant based on the Marder, it's name was Roland. It was used for air defense in the Heer
Great vid, that vehicle has a rich history.
My favourite IFV looks the part, does the business and easy to upgrade a true legend
Great content once again. BUT PLEASE do not interrupt the video midway with an AD of any sort. This is the 2nd time that this has happened.
It’s very unprofessional
Love the museum. Bring back the director!
Nothing beats a good nucking tank chat!
When I first saw Marder I was really excited! I thought it would be the German WW2 tank hunter. Still great video though. Would love to see a vid on the WW2 Marders though. 👍
How did they get the name Marder. That's my family's last name never have ever seen that name anywhere
@@barbaraharbert2484 I'm not entirely sure but Marder means martens in English, which is a small animal that lives in the woods. Might by named after them because they were small, agile and lurked in the woods.
When i first read the title i think of the Marder I and 2 tank destroyer.
My tank from a time as infantry soldier in the back to the level as bataillon commander. Fast like a leopard, a fantastic 20mm canon with HE and AP munition, a Milan rocket system with a thermal imager and in the rear fighting compartment six motivated men.
Better get not in trouble with a bataillon with over 50 marder.
Very interesting and informative.
Love this channel and the content is fantastic.
I work for a company that supplies fuel hoses to the Tank Museum, I wonder which tanks they have been filling up?
Love the design of the Marder - had one as a miniature model when i was a kid 😎
But no AC in Afghanistan, poor troopers 🥵
Very good video. Thx.
Yes, one of my favorite Cold War afvs.
They are an interesting and fascinating vehicles.
1:39 Sorry, that I have to correct you, but the Marder 2 was actually built. You can see the prototype (Marder 2 VT 001) in the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung in Koblenz.
That thing is HUGE, closer to a Leopard 2 in size
Some amazing about German vehicles, you admire their ingenuity.
Complicated and expensive.
But amazing.
Nothing about this is complicated or more expensive than the contemporary vehicles.
One of these is my favorite APC's especially with it's remote controled GPMG on the rear deck.
That external MG was deleted very quickly, if I'm not wrong.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 the little thing on the back deck is the remote controled GPMG.
@@christophersilsby7829 yes and like he said it got removed realy early the A1 variant allready removed it.
@@christophersilsby7829 Yes, I meant that with external MG. Didn't they remove it very soon after introduction of Marder ? I'm really not sure, it's a serious question.
The rearward facing, top mounted MG3 was scrapped very early 80's together with the 4 ball ports (which were for smg UZI only!) in the rear compartment. The top mounted MG3 was not really "remote controlled" it was mechanically controlled, by muscle power only, and moved from the seat below, where the infantry leader would sit. It was a rather simple construction with a periscope and mechanical levers to operate the MG3 manually, no motors or hydraulics ( like in the turret). Initially there were 7 infantry men, one had to go to have room for 4 Milan anti tank rockets ( behind commander)
( former gunner, later commander and platoon leader on Spz Marder)
I think that they mayor concerns about soviet air power for marder crews were the Soviet Attack Helicopters and the sheer numbers they would have to face them.
The Marder doesn't really have four forward and four rearward gears, it has four gears and a lever to select forward or rearward driving.
And the early Marders had seven infantry soldiers in the back, three on each side and one at the back end facing rearward. One seat at the right side was lost for the storage of the Milan guided anti tank missile. From then on, there were six infantry soldiers in the back of the Marder.
In English vernacular "gears" doesn't necessarily refer to the number of driven gears, it's purely a conceptual thing that refers to the number of speeds or ratios available to the driver. For example you might say a bike has 21 speeds but some people would say 21 gears for this when in fact it's sprockets and there are 10 of them. Each ratio in a vehicle has at least two gears anyway so there's no perfectly correct way to say this.
Seen the file BW footage a lot in the past in documentaries and various training videos but only just noticed the last dismounting infantryman at 7:35 loosing the magazine out of his G1. I wonder if he owed beers if it was ever noticed or the Marder managed to drive over it.
9:36 Just for clarification. It's not "Mark 20". It's "MK20" which means "MaschinenKanone 20mm" (so "machine canon 20mm)
There are also other of these in german military like MK30, MK35 and MK40.
So far, Ukraine's received about 120-140 Marder 1A3's, with another 20 on the way.
We've hardly seen them in action yet, especially compared to what we've seen from the Bradleys.
Is such a beautiful tank...in Argentina there is a 155mm version..
On hearing Marder my first thought was the WW2 tank destroyer not an IFV. Still an interesting video.
Great vid even though the Germans did away with it the remote MG3 machine gun on the early version of the Marder IFV at the back was a feature that is pretty cool for the day.
i went to the museum today
1:40 Theres a little mistake. The Marder 2 DID get built. I was even standing inside it. It is currently in the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung Koblenz.
Been seeing Warrior Recovery vehicles at my local scrap yard.
Such an interesting design...used to command a battalion ....in 6mm...still counts.
Marders are to be send to Ukraine 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraine
They burn 😂
Love David Willeys Tank Chats above all the others, as they're well presented and presented in a way that is easy to understand and digest. Other tank chats very often turn into rambly messes half way through I find.
Excellent video on a fascinating vehicle. The only way this video could be improved is if that 30-something tonne Marder was in his back garden while he played fetch with the dog.
Bloody excellent ta
Argentina did build the variants: command post, mortar carrier, self propelled artillery gun and its ammo resupply tank, even a recovery vehicle prototype
pledge and a duster required by the looks!
David Willey! Yeh! More!
Looks like They kept the style of the panther's angled rear end there
Very cool
Looks like it could do with a good wash and maybe fresh paint!
And now they go to Ukraine. A little bit more story to add in this Great vehicle.