Something very obvious they missed: Apparently Fred and George never checked on Ron while sneaking around, using the map.. Otherwise they would have realized that there is a presumably dead man (Pettigrew) with him fairly often.. Even in the bed most likely.. But i guess they just never bothered to check Gryffindor's Common Room or his location in general.
I have enough self-esteem that a random internet person i've never seen or heard of can't insult me no matter how hard they try. And yes, i'm watching these on chronological order. The map wasn't even mentioned during the first two movies, much less used as a plot device.
+Phenex Shax No i wan't to be an fuc... ##Error## ##Your device crashed by an unexpected error... thing## god dammit! I wan't to be an fu**ing idio... ##Error## ##Your device crashed by an unexpected error... thing... again## WHYYYY?
It's not explained in the movie I don't think, but he was able to escape in dog form which dementors can't detect or something like that. He only escaped when he did because he noticed Pettigrew was alive from a Daily Prophet article.
@@Sage-gz9tm yeah, but in the movie, it is a cell. Come to think of it, why does a castle that was built as a school have a cell? Did the founders have a different interpretation of detention than I do? (Movie logic smh)
you forgot the biggest sin. at the very beginning of the movie harry is using the lumos spell in his bed. using magic outside of school is illegal and harry should have been expelled from Hogwarts at that moment.
+Faraz Saeed Actually, it's not using magic outside school. It's magic in the presence of a Muggle. The Ministry doesn't track the usage of magic by underage wizards where other wizards live, they expect families to regulate that.
+Faraz Saeed actually when it comes to Lumos it's not all that illegal..since the spell makes it look like you're holding a torch and all. look it up dude.
I really wanted to see more of the boggart scene. I wanted to see what everyone's fears were and what they turned them into. That really bugged me in the movie
Ayesha Tabassum and harry never gets to see the dementor in the books because he NEVER gets to go up because lupin thought it would be He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named
Biggest sin is the fact that in the movie it was never explained why exactly Sirius Black escaped from Azkaban and came to Hogwarts, though the reason itself was shown in the movie at one point - photo of Weasley family from their vacation in Egypt. The book explans that while he was visiting Azkaban, Cornelius Fudge brought the newspaper with that photo with him and gave it to Black. After seeing the photo, Black recognized Scubbers as Peter Pettigrew. That was what made him escape from Azkaban and come to Hogwarts.
yes! why the fuck did they even talk about that newspaper article in the movie when they don't explain that important detail? jk rowling had a reason to create that vacation in egypt!
To keep it short, the type of time travel seen in this movie is called a Closed Loop, wherein they don't change anything, but fulfill what they would have had to do to *prevent* a paradox. In that time scheme, it's extremely linear and deterministic, which would fit the Harry Potter Lore of being able to see the future through various means
just the comment I was looking for!!! that remark pissed me off.. So thank you for commenting, and quite frankly- explaining better than I would have :)
But why would they go back in time in the first place if they didn't change anything. There was nothing to fulfill. The paradox wouldn't be there if they didn't go back in time.
Maybe it was because it was with Hermione's wand and not his, so the spell became too powerful (like in Olivander's when he used the first wand and the drawers went flying)
that's what bothers me most about the movies, what the fuck are the spells? I've never seen protego used in movies and spells work completly wrong and most of the time they don't even say the spell AND IT DRIVES ME NUTS
Rowling said that is you disarm someone aiming at their hand, their thing comes flying, but if it's pointed at your chest, It'll basically become a Stupify
In the books, it was a combination of the three kids' simultaneous disarming spells aimed at Snape and they overdid it. But in the movies, they still needed Snape knocked out and it's gotta be Hero Harry all by his lonesome so so long, Logic, my old friend. Don't wanna get too close to that book plot, after all. The horror. ;) I needed a good laugh though!
Well mcgonagall turned into a cat in front of her class, so I doubt you don’t have clothes when you change back. I guess that’s just the way animagi work, when you turn back you’re wearing the same clothes as when you changed. Otherwise Sirius wouldn’t even be wearing his prisoner uniform because it would have been in Azkaban where he transformed
Dunkleosteus either way a simple spell like "lumos maxima" won't get you expelled or sent to Azkaban just like when he blew up aunt Marge he didn't get expelled because it was no big deal. Finally he was given permission to use magic as summer homework to practice.
As I remember for the books, he didn't get expelled for blowing up Marge because the Ministry had enough to do with Sirius Black. They didn't have time to deal with a student who used his powers outside the school, so they chose to turn a blind eye on it.
Oriane W yeah, that's true, but harry doesn't know that yet. All he knows is he nearly got expelled last year for being accused of using magic in privet drive. He isn't using magic [at home] in the books so I have no idea what would possess him to do it in the movie.
That doesn't make it realistic, though, that none of them would look to the side as they were exiting the hut, or look back while Dumbledore was pointing out the countryside. That may be a distraction, but it only worked because they were really lucky.
Actually I’m pretty sure that Dumbledore knew that he would tell them to use the time turner, and what CinemaSins is saying is that if they are in a version where they aren’t time traveling, Dumbledore wouldn’t’ve distracted the minister and the other dick, and they would’ve gotten caught
I know the books don't matter, but for interested viewers: 1) In the book, Ron, Harry and Hermione all attempt to disarm Snape at the same time in the Shrieking Shack. The more people that do the "expelliarmus" spell at the same time the more powerful it is. The film dropped the ball by having just Harry do it and the effect being the same as all three of them doing it. 2) Hermione can attempt to "reason with the werewolf" because in order for him to return to Hogwarts to be a professor, he agreed to drink a potion, created by Snape, that would allow him to retain his human consciousness while in the form of a werewolf. Hermione had figured this out on her own but did not tell anybody. 3) In order for Hermione to get the Time Turner, Professor McGonagall had to submit a request in writing to the Ministry of Magic stating that Hermione would use it specifically for attending multiple classes at once and for no other purpose. At the end of the book, Hermione states that she no longer wanted to do that because of the damage it was causing to her social life and returned it to the Ministry of Magic. 4) After Harry says to Dumbledore that nothing changed as a result of what they did by going back with the Time Turner, Dumbledore counters this by saying that not only did they save two lives (Sirius Black [his godfather] and Buckbeak,), but they saved a third life in Peter Pettigrew by stopping Snape and Lupin from killing him. When Harry asks him why in the world he should feel good about saving Pettigrew since he's responsible for his parents' death, Dumbledore tells Harry that when one wizard saves another wizard's life, it creates a special bond between them which causes them to protect each other. This becomes evident at the beginning of the next book, "The Goblet of Fire".
@@williambuttlicker5654 In the first chapter of the "Goblet of Fire" book, Voldemort and Pettigrew discuss their plan to help Voldemort regain his full strength. Needing to kill a wizard, Voldemort suggests that he kill Harry Potter. Pettigrew talks him out of it by saying it doesn't matter which wizard he kills, and it would be too difficult to get to Harry anyway. This confirms Dumbledore's theory that any wizard, good or evil, will protect from death any other wizard who saves his life.
With 4, I would say that it becomes most evident when Wormtail hesitates to kill Harry in Deathly Hallows and the magical hand that Voldemort gave him turns on Wormtail, killing Wormtail but in effect saving Harry and allowing Harry and Ron to escape. Harry event specifically says “You owe me.”
@@allisonfitzmaurice6948 I haven't read "Deathly Hallows" yet (I'm getting close to the end of "Order of the Phoenix"). But it sounds like you make a great point.
3:22 How can Harry be licking the lollipop if Harry is under the cloak and the lollipop is outside the cloak? Why doesn't just Harry put the lollipop under the cloak to make it invisible?
5:44 theory to why Hagrid's house is different: he got a raise after becoming an actual professor, and decided to build his new bigger house closer to the place where he'll be giving his class
@@sashaking1115 yes, it might be what happened. But even if his job description didn't change, he may've just moved to a different thatched house. With all the strange things that happen around there in the HP movies, that's not even close to the strangest
The loli-pop got stuck on Harry's cloak. If he had grabbed it 1. His hand would have been seen 2. It would have been inside the cloak Neville losing his loli-pop on the cloak was just an accident, and Harry likely didn't know about it until later.
@@linnaealmgren295 But then they should have shown Harry realizing it and throwing it away, or something. They should have made his location known to the audience with footprints in the snow instead, that would have come across as less stupid.
In another book "Hogwarts stories" it was mentioned in the process of animagus that the clothes, accessories etc on the body will change into fur, scars etc while they transform into animal (like prof. Mcgonagall's glasses appear as round scars while she is cat) it is their choice to transform with or without dress..but i didn't understand why peter pettigrew choose the second one
"They did all the stuff they needed to do, they saved buckbeak, distracted the werewolf, and sent deer jesus towards the dementors" And my mom asks why I'm wheezing in my room at 2AM
# 41. That spell was supposed to blast the wand out of Snape's hand NOT blast Snape into something like that. That's why they we're shocked. If Harry used his own wand then he would have done it correctly. Using someone else's wand messes up spells.
CharCruse20 Although using someone else's wand isn't as powerful as using your own, it doesn't mess up the spell. In the book, Harry, Ron and Hermione all cast "Expelliarmus" at the same time and are very forceful about it. As a result Snape is blasted backwards. It is crucial to the plot that Snape is knocked out, so they had to have him blasted in some way.
Actually in the book before harry blasts Snape. It is mentioned a page earlier or so that the three of them have their original wands back. But the movie did it differently. In the book the three of them say the same spell to disarm Snape so that he doesn't hurt Lupin or Sirius. But it kind of magnefied x3 so it blasted him back. But in the movie it could be explained because he is using someone else's wand so it kind of was a little to strong of a spell. since he wasnt a fully trained wizard it could kind of back fire even more. And if anyone else explained that already in this comment train, sorry, I didn't want to read all the comments so I decided to just type the explanation.
Gymnast Liz You completely missed his point. He was defending the movie and saying that if they would’ve killed the wolf then they ALSO would’ve killed Prof. Lupin (since they are one in the same). He actually made a very good point.
Does make more sense, but movement is all wrong. Maybe that needs a George Lucas-style CGI update to finally resolve the 'is Harry a dick when invisible?' controversy.
I think retrospectively I would've removed a sin for Snape. Despite being attacked by a student whom he loathes and is understandably angry with, turns, sees the Werewolf and instantly shoves the students behind him protectively.
You forgot that Harry needs a permission slip to go on a school trip, but it's ok for the school to take Harry to the school without his guardian's permission.
harry used his invisibility cloak and the marauders map to get to the school trip without being seen he wasn't allowed to go since he didn't get his permission slip signed.
#32 As you can't see Harry's hand grabbing the lollipop, it is a very common belief among Harry Potter fans that it stuck to the cloak so basically, invisible Harry isn't an asshole because he didn't intentionally steal Neville's lollipop
bonjourmarlene They think that the adhesion between his cloak and the side of a lollipop that hasn't been licked yet is enough to wrench it out of Neville's hands? If that's true, then that may be the most magical thing to ever happen in this series.
Helpful Hazz Well, you don't know if Neville hasn't licked this side yet. He may have turned the lolli around before we can see it on camera. But how ould Harry grab it withouthis hands & then just hold it in midair from beneath the cloak & not pull the lolli under the cloak?
Am I the only one thinking it's dumb that Harry isn't allowed to uses magic but uses lumos instead of a flashlight to do do is homework in his bed at night? You missed that one... And when bringing Pettigrew to Hogwarts they should have used Petrificus totalus on him so that he couldn't turn and escape :/
Are y'all forgetting the fact that because Sirius was after him the minestry was lacked and they didn't care about him using it because they had bigger issues on their hands?
Ya that's one of those things that's in the movie that wasn't in the book. They did it for the visuals and shit but it doesn't really make sense, even in the movie universe where they already set up they can't use magic at home during breaks in previous movies. Just one of those times they decided screw it it looks cool.
Thats what I was saying... Its the whole version of time travel that I prefer... Not the "big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff." That one is just lazy thinking on a writer's part...
harry managed to blow up aunt marge because of the logic in the first movie with the snake at the zoo. He got angry and something Super-Natural happened.
Ahh yes he got mad and caused magic. That begs the question, HOW THE HELL DOES NOBODY IN THIS WORLD GET MURDERED BY ACCIDENT EVERY TIME SOME ONE LOSES THEIR SH!T?
@@johnmckinley3647 they do. It's covered up. This is talked about in book 5. When Hagrid explains to Ron about giants killing mountainteerers and them playing it off as a hiking incident.
Yeah but WHY couldn't that happen to Ron when he was in the Malfoy Dungeon and heard Hermione being tortured above?? I mean if uncontrolled magic without a wand is possible, why doesn't it happen everytime there are strong emotions? Could've helped them a LOT
@@paxxishere7932 time travel is always confusing. There's no real point in arguing about how time travel should work in stories because it's such a complicated topic with no real answer
@@nathanielhalls1893 Hermione always threw the rock, etc. You're trying to apply _Back to the Future_ time travel rules but it works more like _The Terminator._ tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAlreadyChangedThePast
You guys missed the biggest sin of all Fred and George either never noticed or never cared their younger brother Ron had a tendency to sleep with a guy named Peter
Kyle Campbell maybe they're just open-minded...the worse thing is they didn't notice Ginny going into bathrooms and disappearing off of the map in the last movie. They had the map all this time and did not give a single fuck about all the craziness happening to their nrother, their sister and their friends....
that doesn't work....because harry sees peter petigrew on the map in the film...and lupin does in the book. so if you have to know a person is a animagus for them to show up on the map, then the film is wrong. But---there is another theory about the map that the maurder's made----only the mauraders themselves can see the other mauraders---they enchanted it, they could easily have made it so that, in the event it was found by a teacher, could not be used against those specific four. but in the event, say, lupin or sirius wanted to find james, then the map would show james to THEM, but only them. this is, in effect, if a fedalius charm was also placed within the map and the secret of those four could only be known to those four and no one else.
Then why does Harry see Peter? Harry isn't a Marauder. Unless you consider that maybe it works the same way for him because he is a direct descendant of James?
"Seriously, everyone in the execution party is enamored with the countryside?" You know, this always did bother me. But lately I've thought perhaps Dumbledore was mildly influencing them in some way. He was extremely powerful and also good at wandless spells and other various things. Not hard to imagine him subtly influencing them mentally to pay attention to what he wants them to pay attention to without them realizing it.
the reason why they never use time travel again is obvious. Hermione messes up the time line so bad in this movie that in the fourth movie Doctor Who shows up disguised as Barty Crouch Jr to seek out and erase these 'time-turners' from existence. all that stuff about rigging the tri-wizard tournament was just a smokescreen.
Justin Munkey huh? Its explained that Hermoine returned the time-turner to The ministry of magic and in the final battle in the order of the phoenix it was destroyed
Also, I think the sun for not attacking the werewolf is BS because that’s Prof Lupin, attacking him probably wouldn’t be that smart since he is a teacher and a good guy, so blowing him up wouldn’t be smart.
it does have to look like a curse and it needs to look human. I think its way more vile this way and bloodthirsty, not to mention the most epic human to monster transformation scene of all time. thats just my opinion :)
But would you think the Ministry of Magic would expel the most famous wizard in all the lands for creating a small light? In Order of the Phoenix he got expelled mainly because the Minister just didn't like him and Dumbledore for speaking against him about the dark lord coming back.
Mainly you can't perform magic in front of a muggle. In Order of the Phoenix, Harry use a spell in front of Dudley, who is still a muggle. Therefore expelled. Nearly.
For me it's a close tie between the first and the third. I'd probably choose the first because it has more humor, but the time travel was executed extremely well in this one along with the entire plot in the third. Nothing but respect for Rowling and the crew behind the movie.
Lmao when I first read PoA I thought the “shape” a boggart would take was a literal mathematical shape. Like square, triangle circle stuff like that. So 7year old me was sat there thinking “do I fear a circle or a square more?” For around an hour before I asked my mum about it
For Draco’s apple, Tom Felton was known to bring snack onto set with him so the food he’s eating is his own. The directors actually sewed his robe pockets closed so he wouldn’t bring more food onto set
0:33 'If the bus had simply been 3 minutes slower' *Immediately shows a clip of the bus travelling extremely fast, meaning there is no way it could be late ever.*
With the whole paradox thing you mentioned, you have to understand there are different theories of time travel. Many of these theories are portrayed in films and in the media. The one we are most familiar with (and that's seen in the Terminator series, at least with 2 and 3) is the multiverse one. It basically states that a new timeline is made every time someone goes back in time and changes something in the past (butterfly effect). This is the theory we're most used to seeing in TV and film like in Family Guy. Then there's the fixed timeline theory (Novikov self-consistency principle). This one is the one we see in this Harry Potter movie and personally, the one that seems the most logical (also giving the reason why we wouldn't be able to go back in time). It states that the future can't be changed; all events remain as fixed points in time, the actions of the traveler have become part of history. So the person who saved Harry was himself and then the saved Harry will go back in time to save himself who will then also go back in time and there's the continuous loop. Thus, the paradox.
I understand that but as they said, wouldn't there have to be a first harry to start the chain. The original harry would not have had the motive to go back anyway and as such non of that would ever have happened. that is the confusing part. Time Travel is extremely difficult to understand :)
SkiddyGaming That's the thing though, with a paradox, there is technically no "first" Harry to start it. It starts off with Harry already being saved (by himself). Think of it as one of those never-ending staircases that connect with each other (like in Inception or even the illusion shown in Hogwarts). There's no beginning or end to it, it just is.
+SkiddyGaming The "original Harry", if you want to think about time travel this way, still would have the motivation to go back in time: Firstly, they don't see that Buckbeak gets saved, they hear the axe so naturally they think that Buckbeak was killed. Secondly when they start the time travel, they think that Sirius is still emprisoned waiting for the Dementor's kiss, they can't know that he is actually already flying away. Thirdly, Dumbledore tells them to use the time turner, and usually Harry follows the advice of Dumbledore. The paradox would arise, if they saw Buckbeak (or Sirius) getting executed and decided trying time travel to change that. In this case, if they saved Buckbeak, the three of them who were going to use the time turner later, wouldn't see Buckbeak being killed, therefore they wouldn't feel the need to travel back in time, so Buckbeak would be killed after all. So they are not allowed to change anything that has happened, but they have to go along with the events and find their roles to make those things happen, that have actually happened already.
+SkiddyGaming No, you are thinking on different timelines. This is called "Novikov's self-consistency principle". With this model of time-travelling, you can´t change what has happened because you didn't. It treats time as a predetermined route that can´t be deviated. There is only one timeline. You can go back and foward on it but your role won't change. There is no "original Harry". If you want to learn more about that vision on time-traveling, I recommend the movie "Predestination". It´s a bit predictable but explain very well the principle. "12 monkeys" does the same, by the way.
+SkiddyGaming One thing that needs to be understood with this version of time travel is that time does not flow from point A to point B. It's not like there's a single point of time that's "active" at once. In this version, time is active at every single moment in that universe, but it's not like there are timelines with different things happening in them. One way to see it is as a concept where there are an infinite number of timelines, but everything that happens and has happened is the same in all of them. The only thing that's different in each timeline is the moment that time is "active" in.
0:15 There is something called wandless magic. It usually happens when people feel like a strong emotion or something. But usually only the most powerful wizards can do it. Dumbledore did it with Harry later on in the movie after he fell from the broom.
And the Patronus Charm casted by Harry when Hermoine and him went back to save his past self proves that Harry is a powerful wizard. He just has very few moments where his power really shines.
Harry was being watched, and I imagine Lupin was also being watched, especially since authorities would know he is a werewolf, and especially sicne he was a known friend to Sirius Black.
LeatherLace&NuzzlingYourFace yeah, but Sirius could have used Crookshanks to deliver the letters to them like when he had it order Harry's Firebolt...only thing is, would Harry had believed Sirius? I doubt it, not without seeing Pettigrew first. I can see Lupin looking more into the situation and asking Ron to 'borrow' Scabbers to lift the Animagi transformation somewhere clandestine
i know you have written this comment almost a year ago and have probably forgotten about it but anyway: lupin also believed believed sirius to be guilty of murdering peter pettigrew, like everyone else, until he heard that harry spotted him on the marauders map
I assume he spent pretty much his entire time in hiding disguised as the dog, though. And especially at Hogwarts with the Dementors around, it would be too risky.
I just thought of something a boggert turns into whatever you fear most and also said that no one knows what they look like but what if. someone's biggest fear is a boggert then they could see what it looks like
The disarming spell against Snape didn’t work because Harry used Hermione’s wand. Wands which aren’t a wizards own do not obey the way they are supposed to. This also explains the “they can’t just replace Ron’s broken wand with any old wand” problem
"Ok, so they did everything they needed to do: they saved Buckbeak, they distracted the werewolf, and Harry sent Deer Jesus towards the demontors" XD IM FUCKING DEAD! *DEER JESUS?!*
If harry had grabbed the lollipop, his hand would be showing because it would be sticking out of the cloak. He didn't steal it, it just stuck to him on accident.
trickster20618 then how is he licking it? I'm not sure but I could of sworn he was licking it, I don't know if I just imagined that or what. Either way it's a sin, he should have noticed it stuck to him and if he's eating it the lollipop should be invisible.
Time travel in movies is always fucking impossible to get your head around, especially seeing as the timeline differences are resolved differently in every movie!
Doctor Who once did a great explanation on this kind of Time Travel. Imagine a Time traveler going back to meet Mozart, only to find out that the Kid has no musical talent at all, yet there is all that Music done by him at that age. So the Traveler decides to leave sheets of the Music to the kid and therefor creating the Mozart everyone knew. Its tied up in a nice little bow, with one very important Question, who came up with the Music? The Kid certainly did not and the Time Traveler either.
+maximumrisk2004 That's not Doctor Who's idea. That's a known issue called the Bootstrap Paradox, and it's been around longer than season 9 of Doctor Who.
I'm so fucking done with people confusing a stable time loop with a paradox. A paradox is where you go back in time to change something that already happened, negating your reason to go back in the first place. A stable time loop is going back to make sure things go the way they already did. If they knew anything about time travel, then they would have known that what they were trying to do would cause a paradox, but Dumbledore already knew that Buckbeak was not executed and I imagine he made an educated guess about the other stuff. What they were trying to do was stop Pettigrew and stop Sirius getting caught - Paradox. What they actually did was break Sirius out of prison - No paradox. If they never went back in time, however, the timeline is split into the worst case scenario where Harry gets killed by dementors or a werewolf and the series ends.
Karkat Vantas This is definately not a paradox as in the original timeline, both Harry and Hermione didn’t know that Buckbeak and Sirius were safe (although Dumbeldore did, he actually said you can save more than one life), so even if they save Sirius and Buckbeak, the past versions of them never knew that they were safe and would always end up time travelling to save them, as only Dumbeldore knew about them being safe in the original timeline.
1. Puberty basically, when harry is young his mood swings effect his magic 2. The bus shows up when he holds out his wand over the street (that's how to summon it) 3. Magic to divert attention was obviously placed on the bus in order to prevent muggles from noticing it I don't feel like writing an explanation for every point, so I'll just say that there isn't that much wrong with the movie, the person who made this video probably doesn't know the lore and hasn't read the books.
Chris R because he doesnt do much work on these videos is my guess(except for finding a sin he doesnt do much work justifying it before he puts it in the vid)
Actually, the reason why the bus showed up when it did was because the gesture of waving your wand-holding hand (what Harry did when he fell) is what caused the bus to be signaled.
You missed a sin - in the class with the boggart, Neville Longbottom gets laughed at when he admits to being scared of Snape. But why is that weird or funny? Snape's freakin' terrifying - I'll bet even some of the Slytherin students are scared of him!
U mean preferential, right? And yes, I know Neville probably needs a good dose of Skele-Gro in the spinal area, but I just meant he can't be alone in his fear of Snape (even if the others are too sensible to say it out loud).
Yes, preferential. I couldn't think of the right word at the time, haha. And maybe some of the other students were made nervous by Snape, but boggarts become what one fears above everything else. The others must have found it amusing that Neville would be mortally afraid of a teacher as opposed to a giant cobra.
What bothered me was Harry’s fight in the snow with Malfoy and his gang. If you consider how the invisibility cloak had been previously used, there is no way Harry could pull of what he did while completely invisible through the whole fight.
@@roxrookie he was invisible while trowing shit at Malfoy and hitting Crabbe with something, he only became visible because Crabbe tripped on his cloak
The movie uses a form of time travel known as the predestination paradox. It's when the time traveler finds out that they're incapable of changing anything, but instead their time travel ends up being the cause to the effect that they're time traveling for. For instance, let's say you go back in time to try to prevent the death of JFK, but your actions were predetermined, so you either fail, but your failure was always meant to happen or your action actually causes the death of JFK rather than preventing it. In these types of paradox, you can't change what's going on at all, but rather you fulfill your destiny of being that part of history you were meant to be when you traveled in time.
***** Yeah. They were there the 1st time through too. The 2nd time, was meant to explain how certain things that happened the 1st time happened, like the rock hitting Harry's head, the howl, & how Harry & Serius were saved from the dementors.
***** They didn't fix anything. They saved Sirius at about the same time their original selves started the time travel. It's just that they didn't know about it before using time turner.
3:21 Harry, under the invisibility cloak, takes a lollipop out of some random kid's hand then walks down the street with it. Seeing as the lollipop is visible, Harry must be clutching it using his hand from under the invisible cloak, meaning he can't eat it unless he removes the cloak which he doesn't, he just walks down the street with this random lollipop completely visible for no reason... or maybe the cloak is thin enough to lick it through the cloak? I don't even know... *+1 sin*
So he sees this lollipop stuck to his cloak, giving him away, and decides not to try and shake it free easily, but just leave it there? Also, pretty careless.
u forgot something: they're not allowed to use magic outside of Hogwarts but harry was using his wand and casting a spell under his blanket in the beginning of the movie
This whole franchise pretty much puts up rules and then NEVER EVER FOLLOWS THEM. its so annoying. Harry breaks every rule constantly but no one gives a shit. And the excuse that he gets away with things because magic is lazy and a sign of poor writing
@@lemon-iy3ix I saw the behind the scenes and I found him really strange, a creep almost, however, everyone adored him in the comments. What did he do?
Going from England to Scotland on a steam train usually takes between 10 and 12 hours (going off travel times when British Railways still ran the ECML)
So I haven't started watching the video yet, but if the Hermione punch doesn't earn some points back, there's gonna be a strongly worded letter in the mail.
The reason it blasted Snape off the room it’s because Harry was not using his own wand and when you use a persons wand that’s not yours it has different effects. And they would not have enough time to get the inviolability cloak because they would already be at Hagrid’s hut. So the sin counter should really be 68. By the way I still love ya tho.
MegaTsand The reason Snape was blasted across the room was because in the book, Harry, Ron, and Hermione all used the spell on Snape at the same time. For some reason, they chose to just have Harry do it in the movie, so I'm going to agree with that sin. Just Harry casting the spell should not have had that effect.
also in the book it says that harry, ron and hermione casted the spell together at the same time, causing snape to blast off and making him unconscious, but i guess in the movie they wanted to make it more dramatic for harry maybe idk
The same thing happens in Chamber of Secrets with their own wands though, and I think it even happens in the book, too. And yeah they also couldn't get the cloak because they'd be seen getting it
Plus, this is the teacher that has been dogging Harry since day one of his Hogwarts career. Certainly a moody teenager might tend towards overcasting when there's an opportunity to get back at your least favorite teacher.
Harry didn't steal Neville's lollipop. It got stuck to his cloak as he walked past. If he stole it, his hands would be outside the cloak holding it...or he would at least grab it and pull it inside so he could eat it...which he didn't.
But, keep in mind its a movie, and Harry Potter films havent been ones for details when it comes to over thinking. That or he grabbed the very bottom of it
It's amazing how many times Harry doesn't have his scar in these movies. And sometimes, they put it on the wrong side.
I'm pretty sure you're talking about the boggart scene. Apparently, harry was shown if the people were in the mirror.
Really, If the cover art on the books are correct, the scar should be in the middle of his forehead
Kai M the illustrations aren’t correct. If they were then snape would have a jafar goatee
@@kaim2502 It's not stated in the books where the scar is (on forehead), only it's lightning bolt-shaped
I don’t really mind I love these films
I agreed with sin 28. The clown was just as scary as the snake
+Real Demigoddess ✌ i like clowns but that was fucking spooky
+Real Demigoddess ✌ scary*
Clowns are not scary
That one was
that clown in particular was properly terrifying
Something very obvious they missed:
Apparently Fred and George never checked on Ron while sneaking around, using the map.. Otherwise they would have realized that there is a presumably dead man (Pettigrew) with him fairly often.. Even in the bed most likely.. But i guess they just never bothered to check Gryffindor's Common Room or his location in general.
Holy crap you're right XD CinemaSins should have had a field day with that one
I have enough self-esteem that a random internet person i've never seen or heard of can't insult me no matter how hard they try.
And yes, i'm watching these on chronological order. The map wasn't even mentioned during the first two movies, much less used as a plot device.
+Phenex Shax No i wan't to be an fuc... ##Error## ##Your device crashed by an unexpected error... thing## god dammit! I wan't to be an fu**ing idio... ##Error## ##Your device crashed by an unexpected error... thing... again## WHYYYY?
Omg you're right!
lol man if only you fallen right side up oh well maybe next time harry
Sirius Black,,, can escape from azkaban, but not a dinky cell on a roof with no guards... +1
It's not explained in the movie I don't think, but he was able to escape in dog form which dementors can't detect or something like that. He only escaped when he did because he noticed Pettigrew was alive from a Daily Prophet article.
Sirius escaped Azkaban because demenotors can't sense animal emotions so since Sirius is a animagi he could slip past the dementors.
@@luna-dh4cq if you are an animagi, you can only turn into a certain animal, not like shape shifting
Not a "dinky cell" but a locked classroom on the seventh floor.
@@Sage-gz9tm yeah, but in the movie, it is a cell. Come to think of it, why does a castle that was built as a school have a cell? Did the founders have a different interpretation of detention than I do? (Movie logic smh)
you forgot the biggest sin. at the very beginning of the movie harry is using the lumos spell in his bed. using magic outside of school is illegal and harry should have been expelled from Hogwarts at that moment.
Thank You! I thought I was the only one who noticed!
Probably not expelled, just like a fine or probation.
+Faraz Saeed Actually, it's not using magic outside school. It's magic in the presence of a Muggle. The Ministry doesn't track the usage of magic by underage wizards where other wizards live, they expect families to regulate that.
+Faraz Saeed Oh right, and since no one actually saw him using magic, they didn't catch it.
+Faraz Saeed actually when it comes to Lumos it's not all that illegal..since the spell makes it look like you're holding a torch and all. look it up dude.
I really wanted to see more of the boggart scene. I wanted to see what everyone's fears were and what they turned them into. That really bugged me in the movie
Ayesha Tabassum they can’t blow their special effects budget
Could have been interesting if the boggart turned into Voldomort, that could have made an interesting encounter.
Well, read the book asshole, then you will know
Ayesha Tabassum and harry never gets to see the dementor in the books because he NEVER gets to go up because lupin thought it would be He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named
@@meteor7528 It would have been interesting to see their fears ONSCREEN.
Biggest sin is the fact that in the movie it was never explained why exactly Sirius Black escaped from Azkaban and came to Hogwarts, though the reason itself was shown in the movie at one point - photo of Weasley family from their vacation in Egypt. The book explans that while he was visiting Azkaban, Cornelius Fudge brought the newspaper with that photo with him and gave it to Black. After seeing the photo, Black recognized Scubbers as Peter Pettigrew. That was what made him escape from Azkaban and come to Hogwarts.
yes! why the fuck did they even talk about that newspaper article in the movie when they don't explain that important detail? jk rowling had a reason to create that vacation in egypt!
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Miroslav Tomic
Miroslav Tomic They did in a the book the said that he escaped because he transformed
Miroslav Tomic its scabbers
6:15 i lost it at “deer jesus”
IKR
Haha omg sameee
Lol
Same LMAO
I KNOW...
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To keep it short, the type of time travel seen in this movie is called a Closed Loop, wherein they don't change anything, but fulfill what they would have had to do to *prevent* a paradox. In that time scheme, it's extremely linear and deterministic, which would fit the Harry Potter Lore of being able to see the future through various means
Why isn't this top comment?
just the comment I was looking for!!! that remark pissed me off.. So thank you for commenting, and quite frankly- explaining better than I would have :)
But why would they go back in time in the first place if they didn't change anything. There was nothing to fulfill. The paradox wouldn't be there if they didn't go back in time.
Because they didn't know Sirius was saved by the other Hermoine and Harry and wanted to save him (and Buckbeak)
Averi Cochran Yeah, too bad it's different in The Cursed Child.
*lupin Disarms Harry*
Harry's wand goes flying
*snape Disarms Lupin*
Lupin's wand goes flying
*Harry Disarms Snape*
Snape goes flying
Maybe it was because it was with Hermione's wand and not his, so the spell became too powerful (like in Olivander's when he used the first wand and the drawers went flying)
It's different in the book at least...
that's what bothers me most about the movies, what the fuck are the spells? I've never seen protego used in movies and spells work completly wrong and most of the time they don't even say the spell AND IT DRIVES ME NUTS
Rowling said that is you disarm someone aiming at their hand, their thing comes flying, but if it's pointed at your chest, It'll basically become a Stupify
In the books, it was a combination of the three kids' simultaneous disarming spells aimed at Snape and they overdid it. But in the movies, they still needed Snape knocked out and it's gotta be Hero Harry all by his lonesome so so long, Logic, my old friend. Don't wanna get too close to that book plot, after all. The horror. ;) I needed a good laugh though!
You missed the fact that when Peter turned from Rat to Human he was fully clothed, but when he turned from Human to Rat he loses his clothes..
FredSays They can choose.
How?
FredSays and n the beginning harry was practicing the lumos spell. How is he not expelled for doing magic?
Well mcgonagall turned into a cat in front of her class, so I doubt you don’t have clothes when you change back. I guess that’s just the way animagi work, when you turn back you’re wearing the same clothes as when you changed. Otherwise Sirius wouldn’t even be wearing his prisoner uniform because it would have been in Azkaban where he transformed
Because convenience?
2:01
"You're supposed to stroke it"
Ah the things you learn at the age of thirteen'
lmfao
Wait what?
Lmaooo
Lmao
hol' up
Usually from huge hairy guys.
You missed the first scene- Harry's casting Lumos maxima in his bed when the last movie clearly said magic outside of school was illegal.
But it was home work
Homework doesn't break international laws...
Dunkleosteus either way a simple spell like "lumos maxima" won't get you expelled or sent to Azkaban just like when he blew up aunt Marge he didn't get expelled because it was no big deal. Finally he was given permission to use magic as summer homework to practice.
As I remember for the books, he didn't get expelled for blowing up Marge because the Ministry had enough to do with Sirius Black. They didn't have time to deal with a student who used his powers outside the school, so they chose to turn a blind eye on it.
Oriane W yeah, that's true, but harry doesn't know that yet. All he knows is he nearly got expelled last year for being accused of using magic in privet drive. He isn't using magic [at home] in the books so I have no idea what would possess him to do it in the movie.
I think that of all DADA teachers, Lupin was the best.
Nah, obviously umbridge was the best
Icantbwbotheredtoputspacesisthis Nice trolling attempt, mate. But did you really thought that you could troll me, Fegelein, master of antics?
+Herrman FEGELEIN I guess I didn't realise the level of your antics
+Herrman FEGELEIN but tbh I think lupin actually was the best
I like moody better as a character at least
5:30 actually Dumbledore saw them and distracted them on purpose
That doesn't make it realistic, though, that none of them would look to the side as they were exiting the hut, or look back while Dumbledore was pointing out the countryside. That may be a distraction, but it only worked because they were really lucky.
Yup
Actually I’m pretty sure that Dumbledore knew that he would tell them to use the time turner, and what CinemaSins is saying is that if they are in a version where they aren’t time traveling, Dumbledore wouldn’t’ve distracted the minister and the other dick, and they would’ve gotten caught
I know the books don't matter, but for interested viewers:
1) In the book, Ron, Harry and Hermione all attempt to disarm Snape at the same time in the Shrieking Shack. The more people that do the "expelliarmus" spell at the same time the more powerful it is. The film dropped the ball by having just Harry do it and the effect being the same as all three of them doing it.
2) Hermione can attempt to "reason with the werewolf" because in order for him to return to Hogwarts to be a professor, he agreed to drink a potion, created by Snape, that would allow him to retain his human consciousness while in the form of a werewolf. Hermione had figured this out on her own but did not tell anybody.
3) In order for Hermione to get the Time Turner, Professor McGonagall had to submit a request in writing to the Ministry of Magic stating that Hermione would use it specifically for attending multiple classes at once and for no other purpose. At the end of the book, Hermione states that she no longer wanted to do that because of the damage it was causing to her social life and returned it to the Ministry of Magic.
4) After Harry says to Dumbledore that nothing changed as a result of what they did by going back with the Time Turner, Dumbledore counters this by saying that not only did they save two lives (Sirius Black [his godfather] and Buckbeak,), but they saved a third life in Peter Pettigrew by stopping Snape and Lupin from killing him. When Harry asks him why in the world he should feel good about saving Pettigrew since he's responsible for his parents' death, Dumbledore tells Harry that when one wizard saves another wizard's life, it creates a special bond between them which causes them to protect each other. This becomes evident at the beginning of the next book, "The Goblet of Fire".
How did that become evident? I read the books, but I don't think I saw anything evident by the fourth book
@@williambuttlicker5654 In the first chapter of the "Goblet of Fire" book, Voldemort and Pettigrew discuss their plan to help Voldemort regain his full strength. Needing to kill a wizard, Voldemort suggests that he kill Harry Potter. Pettigrew talks him out of it by saying it doesn't matter which wizard he kills, and it would be too difficult to get to Harry anyway. This confirms Dumbledore's theory that any wizard, good or evil, will protect from death any other wizard who saves his life.
Well okay, sure
With 4, I would say that it becomes most evident when Wormtail hesitates to kill Harry in Deathly Hallows and the magical hand that Voldemort gave him turns on Wormtail, killing Wormtail but in effect saving Harry and allowing Harry and Ron to escape. Harry event specifically says “You owe me.”
@@allisonfitzmaurice6948 I haven't read "Deathly Hallows" yet (I'm getting close to the end of "Order of the Phoenix"). But it sounds like you make a great point.
3:22
How can Harry be licking the lollipop if Harry is under the cloak and the lollipop is outside the cloak? Why doesn't just Harry put the lollipop under the cloak to make it invisible?
+Kendall Sain maybe e is not licking it yet
ohhh come on !! the lollipop got stick to his cloak ... why would he steal it from Neville
+Shubhra Rathour because he knew that Neville might have been the chosen one and not him
i never got how the lolipop could have gotten stuck to his cloak if neville didnt lick it yet.. so it wasn't sticky enough to stick onto his cloack
By the way, does he hold it through the cloak? I can see only lollipop without his hand holding it being seen.
5:44 theory to why Hagrid's house is different: he got a raise after becoming an actual professor, and decided to build his new bigger house closer to the place where he'll be giving his class
That’s a very interesting thought!!
@@sashaking1115 yes, it might be what happened. But even if his job description didn't change, he may've just moved to a different thatched house. With all the strange things that happen around there in the HP movies, that's not even close to the strangest
3:23 how does harry lick the loli-pop through the cloak?
exactly what i was thinking
The loli-pop got stuck on Harry's cloak. If he had grabbed it
1. His hand would have been seen
2. It would have been inside the cloak
Neville losing his loli-pop on the cloak was just an accident, and Harry likely didn't know about it until later.
@@linnaealmgren295 But then they should have shown Harry realizing it and throwing it away, or something. They should have made his location known to the audience with footprints in the snow instead, that would have come across as less stupid.
@@TheYasmineFlower but that had already been used in 2 different scenes. They wanted to do something else.
I don't think he ate the lollipop until later.
You forgot:
Wormtail turned back in human form with clothes on but when he turned back to an animagus he took off his clothes
In another book "Hogwarts stories" it was mentioned in the process of animagus that the clothes, accessories etc on the body will change into fur, scars etc while they transform into animal (like prof. Mcgonagall's glasses appear as round scars while she is cat) it is their choice to transform with or without dress..but i didn't understand why peter pettigrew choose the second one
not wormtail, lupin
Infinite clothes baby!
Yesssss!
I love how my favorite movie is the only film in the Harry Potter series that doesn’t have the ‘roll credits’.
Hey sirius
Hermione Games did someone already have hermione granger?
@@matthewfallon5840 lol
@@ghosydt9290 lol
Hey Doode
I know a way to see a boggart in true form.
Find someone who has a fear of boggarts.
Genius! If only Boggarts were real.......
joseph foley yes but then it could turn into a snake and still be a boggart
Pretty sure Mad Eye could see what an actual boggart looks like. Molly even asks him to look in a drawer in book 5.
They could’ve just put a camera in the wardrobe
Or Mad-eye.
"Black could be anywhere...."
- "that's racist!" DING
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Sarah Na LOL!😀
Sarah Na P
"They did all the stuff they needed to do, they saved buckbeak, distracted the werewolf, and sent deer jesus towards the dementors"
And my mom asks why I'm wheezing in my room at 2AM
# 41. That spell was supposed to blast the wand out of Snape's hand NOT blast Snape into something like that. That's why they we're shocked. If Harry used his own wand then he would have done it correctly. Using someone else's wand messes up spells.
CharCruse20 Although using someone else's wand isn't as powerful as using your own, it doesn't mess up the spell. In the book, Harry, Ron and Hermione all cast "Expelliarmus" at the same time and are very forceful about it. As a result Snape is blasted backwards. It is crucial to the plot that Snape is knocked out, so they had to have him blasted in some way.
CharCruse20 In the book, Harry, Hermoine and Ron fired the spell AT THE SAME TIME, hence the result.
Cool
Actually in the book before harry blasts Snape. It is mentioned a page earlier or so that the three of them have their original wands back. But the movie did it differently. In the book the three of them say the same spell to disarm Snape so that he doesn't hurt Lupin or Sirius. But it kind of magnefied x3 so it blasted him back. But in the movie it could be explained because he is using someone else's wand so it kind of was a little to strong of a spell. since he wasnt a fully trained wizard it could kind of back fire even more. And if anyone else explained that already in this comment train, sorry, I didn't want to read all the comments so I decided to just type the explanation.
Machi The books do not matter. one of the first rules of cinemasins
6:46 yeah it could’ve worked against a werewolf if they were trying to explode lupin...
Mr poopoo pants Whoisaryan HAVE YOU EVEN READ HARRY POTTER each spell is used for different things
Gymnast Liz You completely missed his point. He was defending the movie and saying that if they would’ve killed the wolf then they ALSO would’ve killed Prof. Lupin (since they are one in the same). He actually made a very good point.
So you would rather die and let your friend die instead of killing a guy you know like for a half year?
Lol yeah
Harry didn’t take the lollipop, it got stuck to his cloak
mind blown wtf
BRUHHHH BIG BRAIN
I refuse that
Does make more sense, but movement is all wrong. Maybe that needs a George Lucas-style CGI update to finally resolve the 'is Harry a dick when invisible?' controversy.
@@yetanotherstronk after reading the books harry is a dick even when he isn’t invisible
I think retrospectively I would've removed a sin for Snape. Despite being attacked by a student whom he loathes and is understandably angry with, turns, sees the Werewolf and instantly shoves the students behind him protectively.
I would've kept the sin, but only because that's something he didn't do in the book.
You forgot that Harry needs a permission slip to go on a school trip, but it's ok for the school to take Harry to the school without his guardian's permission.
Sultan Erdogan Hun
They already had it lmao when they let him go the first two times
They had his real parents permission
harry used his invisibility cloak and the marauders map to get to the school trip without being seen he wasn't allowed to go since he didn't get his permission slip signed.
That’s why harry was under the invisibility cloak lol
More then likely they only keep harry round when it suits them or the plot
#32 As you can't see Harry's hand grabbing the lollipop, it is a very common belief among Harry Potter fans that it stuck to the cloak so basically, invisible Harry isn't an asshole because he didn't intentionally steal Neville's lollipop
bonjourmarlene They think that the adhesion between his cloak and the side of a lollipop that hasn't been licked yet is enough to wrench it out of Neville's hands? If that's true, then that may be the most magical thing to ever happen in this series.
Helpful Hazz Well, you don't know if Neville hasn't licked this side yet. He may have turned the lolli around before we can see it on camera. But how ould Harry grab it withouthis hands & then just hold it in midair from beneath the cloak & not pull the lolli under the cloak?
+bonjourmarlene He can hold the stem through the cloak but Harry's not a dick.
In the movie you can hear Harry licking the damn lollipop.
Wowbow55
The downside of being half deaf, I suppose
Am I the only one thinking it's dumb that Harry isn't allowed to uses magic but uses lumos instead of a flashlight to do do is homework in his bed at night? You missed that one...
And when bringing Pettigrew to Hogwarts they should have used Petrificus totalus on him so that he couldn't turn and escape :/
Are y'all forgetting the fact that because Sirius was after him the minestry was lacked and they didn't care about him using it because they had bigger issues on their hands?
I mean in the book he uses a torch, but I don’t know what they were doing in the movie
Ya that's one of those things that's in the movie that wasn't in the book. They did it for the visuals and shit but it doesn't really make sense, even in the movie universe where they already set up they can't use magic at home during breaks in previous movies. Just one of those times they decided screw it it looks cool.
Chester1490 in the books he uses a torch but films are stupid
Why would you use a flashlight when you have a wand that could do the same thing??
voldemort is like a teenage girl
he has a tiara, a diary,
a pet he adoreres
and he is obsessed with a famous teenage boy
People keep saying that. And it's funny. But it also seems to come from a place of disdain for teenage girls.
I thought we agreed that Voldemort is Sailor Moon
@@witchluisamultifandom1212 of course we did
Oh shit
huh what???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!x)
It's called a stable time loop. Time cannot be changed even by time travel, because any effects time travel would have already took place.
Thats what I was saying... Its the whole version of time travel that I prefer... Not the "big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff." That one is just lazy thinking on a writer's part...
Someone should tell that to The Cursed Child
harry managed to blow up aunt marge because of the logic in the first movie with the snake at the zoo. He got angry and something Super-Natural happened.
Ahh yes he got mad and caused magic. That begs the question, HOW THE HELL DOES NOBODY IN THIS WORLD GET MURDERED BY ACCIDENT EVERY TIME SOME ONE LOSES THEIR SH!T?
@@johnmckinley3647 they do. It's covered up. This is talked about in book 5. When Hagrid explains to Ron about giants killing mountainteerers and them playing it off as a hiking incident.
@@tiddyattacker5786 CINEMA Sins.
@@huntersmith3888 saying cinema sins like that is irrelevant since this video is the 3rd movie not the 5th one
Yeah but WHY couldn't that happen to Ron when he was in the Malfoy Dungeon and heard Hermione being tortured above?? I mean if uncontrolled magic without a wand is possible, why doesn't it happen everytime there are strong emotions? Could've helped them a LOT
I love the flashy "hermoine isn't old enough to be hot yet" sin.
Jordan Senger In my opinion this is the first movie where Emma Watson starts to look hot
Dylan Breault yeah.
or for a pedophile.
Jordan Senger worry not pervs. She's hotter in the next one.
she's hot since azkaban ffs
7:20 there is no original timeline it is all a timeloop where you time travel and cause the events that originally happened in the first place
That has always confused me every time I think about it
@@paxxishere7932 time travel is always confusing. There's no real point in arguing about how time travel should work in stories because it's such a complicated topic with no real answer
And it isn't a paradox, because it is self consistant.
Its a closed timeloop, very Common because u dont Hurt the logic.
@@nathanielhalls1893 Hermione always threw the rock, etc. You're trying to apply _Back to the Future_ time travel rules but it works more like _The Terminator._ tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAlreadyChangedThePast
"Hermione isn't old enough to be hot yet" Unless you were actually 13 when this came out like I was lol.
She was
Exactly. The target demographic is supposed to be about her age. That's why Harry Potter is labeled young adult fiction.
Except Emma was 15 when it came out?
Kris even then, being attracted to someone two years older than you isn't that weird
tyler, it is at an age were you grow 10 cm in 3 months and hormones swing your mood more violently than an actual swing in a storm
The sin on dumbledore makes me sad cuz of the previous actor dying
Everything Wrong With Prisoner of Azkaban: an actor died before the movie started shooting. How is this a sin?
You guys missed the biggest sin of all Fred and George either never noticed or never cared their younger brother Ron had a tendency to sleep with a guy named Peter
I'm pretty sure you have to know someone is an animagus before you can see their true name on the map.
Kyle Campbell maybe they're just open-minded...the worse thing is they didn't notice Ginny going into bathrooms and disappearing off of the map in the last movie. They had the map all this time and did not give a single fuck about all the craziness happening to their nrother, their sister and their friends....
Harry saw it first though and he didn't know anything about Peter being an animagus at the time
that doesn't work....because harry sees peter petigrew on the map in the film...and lupin does in the book. so if you have to know a person is a animagus for them to show up on the map, then the film is wrong.
But---there is another theory about the map that the maurder's made----only the mauraders themselves can see the other mauraders---they enchanted it, they could easily have made it so that, in the event it was found by a teacher, could not be used against those specific four. but in the event, say, lupin or sirius wanted to find james, then the map would show james to THEM, but only them. this is, in effect, if a fedalius charm was also placed within the map and the secret of those four could only be known to those four and no one else.
Then why does Harry see Peter? Harry isn't a Marauder. Unless you consider that maybe it works the same way for him because he is a direct descendant of James?
"Seriously, everyone in the execution party is enamored with the countryside?"
You know, this always did bother me. But lately I've thought perhaps Dumbledore was mildly influencing them in some way. He was extremely powerful and also good at wandless spells and other various things. Not hard to imagine him subtly influencing them mentally to pay attention to what he wants them to pay attention to without them realizing it.
Dumbledore is a Force user! Skywalker should've learned from him too.
"Let's give you an apple to eat in this scene so you'll-"
me: *DRAPPLE*
Yes!
Same
Ship it
Nah, it's Drarry, idiots.
the reason why they never use time travel again is obvious. Hermione messes up the time line so bad in this movie that in the fourth movie Doctor Who shows up disguised as Barty Crouch Jr to seek out and erase these 'time-turners' from existence. all that stuff about rigging the tri-wizard tournament was just a smokescreen.
YES.
that's not why at al...
Conor Beggs You get a thumbs up from me for sheer obliviousness. :)
Justin Munkey huh? Its explained that Hermoine returned the time-turner to The ministry of magic and in the final battle in the order of the phoenix it was destroyed
YOU ARE A GENIUS!
It always bugged me that the 'werewolf' in this movie looks more like a big headed, furry stick insect.
In the books and book art he looks almost like a true wolf. I hate the film design so much
Also, I think the sun for not attacking the werewolf is BS because that’s Prof Lupin, attacking him probably wouldn’t be that smart since he is a teacher and a good guy, so blowing him up wouldn’t be smart.
it does have to look like a curse and it needs to look human. I think its way more vile this way and bloodthirsty, not to mention the most epic human to monster transformation scene of all time. thats just my opinion :)
The wolves in Twilight looked more realistic
@@savagexsamura38heart98 ofc, they're shape-shifters, not an actual werewolf...
2:03 girl smiles randomly at Neville
Luna who?
irl crush?? maybe
also, at the beginning harry is doing the lumos spell and he didn't get in trouble for it even though underage wizards aren't allowed to use magic
But would you think the Ministry of Magic would expel the most famous wizard in all the lands for creating a small light? In Order of the Phoenix he got expelled mainly because the Minister just didn't like him and Dumbledore for speaking against him about the dark lord coming back.
Aaron Xue The Ministry is kind of messed up; he got an official warning for Dobby's hover charm.
Lumos could be legal because it's just light and it could look like a flashlight or something. That's the only reason I could think of.
Yeah right. That's convenient...
Mainly you can't perform magic in front of a muggle.
In Order of the Phoenix, Harry use a spell in front of Dudley, who is still a muggle. Therefore expelled. Nearly.
This was the first Harry Potter film I saw in the cinema- hands down my favorite!
Yeah, I think it's how gritty it is
*****
Two Words: Alfonso Cuaron.
Chippy :D
For me it's a close tie between the first and the third. I'd probably choose the first because it has more humor, but the time travel was executed extremely well in this one along with the entire plot in the third. Nothing but respect for Rowling and the crew behind the movie.
I actually began to respect Snape in this one when he see's the werewolf and tries to shield Harry,Ron and Hermione.
Jonathan Gonzales yes but he does that just so he can give them to Dumbledore so he can expel them.. i suppose ?
+thegreenowl he originally has the intension to expel/suspend them but he doesn't because there is a werewolf about to kill three kids
Crusade Opposum XD
either way he saved them
+Jonathan Gonzales I think he sees the werewolf and says "No! These are my kids to torment!"
Lmao when I first read PoA I thought the “shape” a boggart would take was a literal mathematical shape. Like square, triangle circle stuff like that. So 7year old me was sat there thinking “do I fear a circle or a square more?” For around an hour before I asked my mum about it
For Draco’s apple, Tom Felton was known to bring snack onto set with him so the food he’s eating is his own. The directors actually sewed his robe pockets closed so he wouldn’t bring more food onto set
I didn't know that
0:33 'If the bus had simply been 3 minutes slower'
*Immediately shows a clip of the bus travelling extremely fast, meaning there is no way it could be late ever.*
A wizard bus is never late. Nor is it early. It arrives EXACTLY when it means to.
I would like this but it’s at 69 and there’s no way I’m messing that up
New Quantum Field theory? Any Einsteins out there who can figure that out? Any wizards in school? HELLO???!!
@@FlameDarkfire Hello fellow Gandalf's admirer.
With the whole paradox thing you mentioned, you have to understand there are different theories of time travel. Many of these theories are portrayed in films and in the media. The one we are most familiar with (and that's seen in the Terminator series, at least with 2 and 3) is the multiverse one. It basically states that a new timeline is made every time someone goes back in time and changes something in the past (butterfly effect). This is the theory we're most used to seeing in TV and film like in Family Guy.
Then there's the fixed timeline theory (Novikov self-consistency principle). This one is the one we see in this Harry Potter movie and personally, the one that seems the most logical (also giving the reason why we wouldn't be able to go back in time). It states that the future can't be changed; all events remain as fixed points in time, the actions of the traveler have become part of history. So the person who saved Harry was himself and then the saved Harry will go back in time to save himself who will then also go back in time and there's the continuous loop. Thus, the paradox.
I understand that but as they said, wouldn't there have to be a first harry to start the chain. The original harry would not have had the motive to go back anyway and as such non of that would ever have happened. that is the confusing part. Time Travel is extremely difficult to understand :)
SkiddyGaming That's the thing though, with a paradox, there is technically no "first" Harry to start it. It starts off with Harry already being saved (by himself). Think of it as one of those never-ending staircases that connect with each other (like in Inception or even the illusion shown in Hogwarts). There's no beginning or end to it, it just is.
+SkiddyGaming The "original Harry", if you want to think about time travel this way, still would have the motivation to go back in time: Firstly, they don't see that Buckbeak gets saved, they hear the axe so naturally they think that Buckbeak was killed. Secondly when they start the time travel, they think that Sirius is still emprisoned waiting for the Dementor's kiss, they can't know that he is actually already flying away. Thirdly, Dumbledore tells them to use the time turner, and usually Harry follows the advice of Dumbledore. The paradox would arise, if they saw Buckbeak (or Sirius) getting executed and decided trying time travel to change that. In this case, if they saved Buckbeak, the three of them who were going to use the time turner later, wouldn't see Buckbeak being killed, therefore they wouldn't feel the need to travel back in time, so Buckbeak would be killed after all. So they are not allowed to change anything that has happened, but they have to go along with the events and find their roles to make those things happen, that have actually happened already.
+SkiddyGaming No, you are thinking on different timelines. This is called "Novikov's self-consistency principle".
With this model of time-travelling, you can´t change what has happened because you didn't. It treats time as a predetermined route that can´t be deviated.
There is only one timeline. You can go back and foward on it but your role won't change.
There is no "original Harry".
If you want to learn more about that vision on time-traveling, I recommend the movie "Predestination". It´s a bit predictable but explain very well the principle.
"12 monkeys" does the same, by the way.
+SkiddyGaming One thing that needs to be understood with this version of time travel is that time does not flow from point A to point B.
It's not like there's a single point of time that's "active" at once.
In this version, time is active at every single moment in that universe, but it's not like there are timelines with different things happening in them.
One way to see it is as a concept where there are an infinite number of timelines, but everything that happens and has happened is the same in all of them. The only thing that's different in each timeline is the moment that time is "active" in.
1:25
Dude, that song they're singing is from MacBeth, It's about witches, so it's supposed to be little more than a tongue-in-cheek reference
I'm not sure whether Americans read Shakespeare since he was British.
The knight bus comes as soon as a Witch or wizard pulls out their wand on the side of the street
3-Sided Square the book explanation doesn't count. It's not clearly explained in the movie at all, and it would have taken about three seconds.
It was in a deleted scene. Apparently, fuck the audience who hasn't read the books, and fuck the audience who has.
Doctor Cthulhu it should be common sense because you hear that sound when he falls back meaning the wand wielded itself and called the bus
THE BOOKS DO NOT FUCKING MATTER
0:15 There is something called wandless magic. It usually happens when people feel like a strong emotion or something. But usually only the most powerful wizards can do it. Dumbledore did it with Harry later on in the movie after he fell from the broom.
And the Patronus Charm casted by Harry when Hermoine and him went back to save his past self proves that Harry is a powerful wizard. He just has very few moments where his power really shines.
voldemort in the fifth movie dissarmed harry in wandless manner too
Harry didn't steal the lollipop! it got stuck on his invisibility cloak, if he had stolen it, we would've seen his hand. 🍭
Mia Rose oh my GOD I can't believe I never even considered that! wow that scene makes so much more sense
you can see the lollipol being eaten though so nope...
jaaki94 if he was eating it how come we didn’t see his mouth
Mia Rose Let's just not pretend like u can't grab something THROUGH a blanket
Or he could’ve just grabbed it by the stem with the cloak
I want to see a compilation of every time you sinned eating an apple.
Roughly half of the sins are explained in the book, but since they're not properly explained in the movies, that's a sin in and of itself.
***** That is exactly what he's saying.
Books are F#@$ing cool
Hey the books do matter you stupid mudblood
you missed the part about how this could have all been avoided if sirius black just sent a letter to harry or remus
Harry was being watched, and I imagine Lupin was also being watched, especially since authorities would know he is a werewolf, and especially sicne he was a known friend to Sirius Black.
LeatherLace&NuzzlingYourFace yeah, but Sirius could have used Crookshanks to deliver the letters to them like when he had it order Harry's Firebolt...only thing is, would Harry had believed Sirius? I doubt it, not without seeing Pettigrew first. I can see Lupin looking more into the situation and asking Ron to 'borrow' Scabbers to lift the Animagi transformation somewhere clandestine
i know you have written this comment almost a year ago and have probably forgotten about it but anyway: lupin also believed believed sirius to be guilty of murdering peter pettigrew, like everyone else, until he heard that harry spotted him on the marauders map
I assume he spent pretty much his entire time in hiding disguised as the dog, though. And especially at Hogwarts with the Dementors around, it would be too risky.
As in he'd have to transform back in order to write a letter lol
I just thought of something a boggert turns into whatever you fear most and also said that no one knows what they look like but what if. someone's biggest fear is a boggert then they could see what it looks like
How can one's biggest fear be a boggert when they can't picture it at all?
You don't have to picture something or see something to fear it
+Brendan Campbell i remember this subjevt came up in one of the books
Clock Lock Works I've never read the books
then read them
The disarming spell against Snape didn’t work because Harry used Hermione’s wand. Wands which aren’t a wizards own do not obey the way they are supposed to. This also explains the “they can’t just replace Ron’s broken wand with any old wand” problem
harry: your white
Sirius: no, I'm black
harry: lol stop joking
Sirius: I'm Sirius
It would've been a great joke, if you'd typed "you're" instead of "your."
oh same f**king difference
Nice copy paste
I would object to this, but I really don't want to start an online fued, so you have your little fun there,m8
xX zephiniah Xx my life got a lot more interesting
"Why play the pronoun name"
Because Sirius Black is the biggest drama queen ever
exactly
"only one will die tonight" honestly sirius
Dafuq. Onze word. Dafuq.
he’s so dramatic
maybe he should have been more
*sirius*
Ruby Booth Yup
"Ok, so they did everything they needed to do: they saved Buckbeak, they distracted the werewolf, and Harry sent Deer Jesus towards the demontors" XD IM FUCKING DEAD! *DEER JESUS?!*
That awkward moment when you keep on answering the questions he's posing!! 😂😂
That awkward moment where you become Th3Birdman
That awkward moment when you see deer Jesus.
If harry had grabbed the lollipop, his hand would be showing because it would be sticking out of the cloak. He didn't steal it, it just stuck to him on accident.
he could have grabbed it with his hand under the cloak with it still covering his hand
yeah, but still the sticking story is more acceptable
SAHM or magic
trickster20618 then how is he licking it? I'm not sure but I could of sworn he was licking it, I don't know if I just imagined that or what. Either way it's a sin, he should have noticed it stuck to him and if he's eating it the lollipop should be invisible.
Eon2641 Or magic. Just sayin'.
Time travel in movies is always fucking impossible to get your head around, especially seeing as the timeline differences are resolved differently in every movie!
Doctor Who once did a great explanation on this kind of Time Travel. Imagine a Time traveler going back to meet Mozart, only to find out that the Kid has no musical talent at all, yet there is all that Music done by him at that age. So the Traveler decides to leave sheets of the Music to the kid and therefor creating the Mozart everyone knew. Its tied up in a nice little bow, with one very important Question, who came up with the Music? The Kid certainly did not and the Time Traveler either.
+maximumrisk2004 That's not Doctor Who's idea. That's a known issue called the Bootstrap Paradox, and it's been around longer than season 9 of Doctor Who.
Bel-Shamharoth I know, but I did not remember the name so I just described it. Sorry.
maximumrisk2004 Ah ok. Just making sure you knew.
Holy balls thats some trippy stuff
And this is why I don't think about time travel. It's too fucking crazy.
"you're supposed to stoke it"
- Ah the things you learn at the age of13
Me:sksksksksksk That had me dying!
I'm so fucking done with people confusing a stable time loop with a paradox. A paradox is where you go back in time to change something that already happened, negating your reason to go back in the first place. A stable time loop is going back to make sure things go the way they already did. If they knew anything about time travel, then they would have known that what they were trying to do would cause a paradox, but Dumbledore already knew that Buckbeak was not executed and I imagine he made an educated guess about the other stuff. What they were trying to do was stop Pettigrew and stop Sirius getting caught - Paradox. What they actually did was break Sirius out of prison - No paradox. If they never went back in time, however, the timeline is split into the worst case scenario where Harry gets killed by dementors or a werewolf and the series ends.
Karkat Vantas This is definately not a paradox as in the original timeline, both Harry and Hermione didn’t know that Buckbeak and Sirius were safe (although Dumbeldore did, he actually said you can save more than one life), so even if they save Sirius and Buckbeak, the past versions of them never knew that they were safe and would always end up time travelling to save them, as only Dumbeldore knew about them being safe in the original timeline.
Exactly. It's a closed time loop.
Potterheads out there watching this?
Ya
Yes! but I’m on my bro’s account
@@aceandsummer1938 lol
Me
Le meme boi yes
Bow down to deer Jesus
2:18: “And we’ll make it green, to represent Slytherin.”
You forgot a sin, Ron should be completely safe from dementors
*nod of approval*
Okay I'm curious as to why?
Konaustin113 lol gingers have no souls'
Konaustin113 They were under the command of Lord Voldemort, as to target Harry Potter, Ron had nothing to do with his goal.
1. Puberty basically, when harry is young his mood swings effect his magic
2. The bus shows up when he holds out his wand over the street
(that's how to summon it)
3. Magic to divert attention was obviously placed on the bus in order to prevent muggles from noticing it
I don't feel like writing an explanation for every point, so I'll just say that there isn't that much wrong with the movie, the person who made this video probably doesn't know the lore and hasn't read the books.
The books don't matter.
yumi25390 All that was explained in the movies
Then why make these points in the video if they were already explained?
Chris R because he doesnt do much work on these videos is my guess(except for finding a sin he doesnt do much work justifying it before he puts it in the vid)
Actually, the reason why the bus showed up when it did was because the gesture of waving your wand-holding hand (what Harry did when he fell) is what caused the bus to be signaled.
I read the book too, but unless a character explains it in the movie then it's still a plot contrivance in the movie.
Ah, ok. I didn't realize that.
“hermione isn’t old enough to be hot yet” wth
😭
But damn she was already
I'd still hit.
But…she is
@@techmasterkat9048 she was also 12 you nonce
When Harry is licking the lollipop, think about how that's possible with an invisible cloak. Think about it....
Well he never took the lollipop it got stuck to the cloak.
Heard that in actors commentary blu ray a common misunderstanding by many
"Let's give you an apple to eat in this scenes so you'll look like even more of an asshole"
best sin
Actually he had to have his pockets sewn shut because he kept sneaking food on set. This was one of those times
to sin 2: if a wizard pulls out his wand at the street the bus will shows up.
and to sin 42: if this spell is strong enough it can do it.
Freaking yes
books do not matter in cinemasins' videos but good job defending your fandom
Also, to sin 34:
Doors creak when there's wind and not locked all the time, just like my door.
+kri stop the quote wasn't at the top through and you can easily find this information on the web
The jack in box was even scarier than the snake in the Bogart class
That was ridiculous
You missed a sin - in the class with the boggart, Neville Longbottom gets laughed at when he admits to being scared of Snape. But why is that weird or funny? Snape's freakin' terrifying - I'll bet even some of the Slytherin students are scared of him!
Because Neville is the "loser " of the group. And nah, Snape is the head of Slytherin and gives his students partial treatment.
U mean preferential, right? And yes, I know Neville probably needs a good dose of Skele-Gro in the spinal area, but I just meant he can't be alone in his fear of Snape (even if the others are too sensible to say it out loud).
Yes, preferential. I couldn't think of the right word at the time, haha. And maybe some of the other students were made nervous by Snape, but boggarts become what one fears above everything else. The others must have found it amusing that Neville would be mortally afraid of a teacher as opposed to a giant cobra.
It's human nature to laugh out someone's fears even if they're afraid of the same. They are pretending to be stronger this way.
That's so true. You'd be good at CinamaSins
2:55 I still think that every time I watch this movie. That thing is fucking terrifying, I'll take the cobra, thank you
Sugartits At least Cobras look cool... That clown is just plain creepy
Fluorescent Colours
And that was BEFORE the murderous clowns fiasco XD
CheesyTits naw man take the clown everyday, snake are my worst enemy
Dewran Gunes WHATTTTTT NO
yea so will i thanx
"Holy sh*t, she just turned that cobra into something even scarier! Why is everyone laughing?!" That's exactly what I thought!
What bothered me was Harry’s fight in the snow with Malfoy and his gang. If you consider how the invisibility cloak had been previously used, there is no way Harry could pull of what he did while completely invisible through the whole fight.
In the books he couldn't, he got exposed and had to face snape
@@roxrookie he was invisible while trowing shit at Malfoy and hitting Crabbe with something, he only became visible because Crabbe tripped on his cloak
The movie uses a form of time travel known as the predestination paradox. It's when the time traveler finds out that they're incapable of changing anything, but instead their time travel ends up being the cause to the effect that they're time traveling for. For instance, let's say you go back in time to try to prevent the death of JFK, but your actions were predetermined, so you either fail, but your failure was always meant to happen or your action actually causes the death of JFK rather than preventing it. In these types of paradox, you can't change what's going on at all, but rather you fulfill your destiny of being that part of history you were meant to be when you traveled in time.
That explains a lot except for the part when Buckbeak is supposed to die.
***** Buckbeak didn't die the first time either... I have no idea why you would think that.
*****
Yeah. They were there the 1st time through too. The 2nd time, was meant to explain how certain things that happened the 1st time happened, like the rock hitting Harry's head, the howl, & how Harry & Serius were saved from the dementors.
*****
They didn't fix anything. They saved Sirius at about the same time their original selves started the time travel. It's just that they didn't know about it before using time turner.
3:21 Harry, under the invisibility cloak, takes a lollipop out of some random kid's hand then walks down the street with it. Seeing as the lollipop is visible, Harry must be clutching it using his hand from under the invisible cloak, meaning he can't eat it unless he removes the cloak which he doesn't, he just walks down the street with this random lollipop completely visible for no reason... or maybe the cloak is thin enough to lick it through the cloak? I don't even know... *+1 sin*
Even if the cloak was REALLY thin Harry should still be licking the cloak. :D
Maybe it's a magic lollipop? xD
ImmovableObject1000 It got stuck to his cloak on accident when he was walking by,
So he sees this lollipop stuck to his cloak, giving him away, and decides not to try and shake it free easily, but just leave it there? Also, pretty careless.
Emilia Hernandez I doubt it just stuck to his cloak by accident when the lollipop when up out of neviles hand and then towards harry.
u forgot something: they're not allowed to use magic outside of Hogwarts but harry was using his wand and casting a spell under his blanket in the beginning of the movie
Their not allowed to use it outside of Hogwarts in the presence of a muggle
they're not allowed to use it at all. only overage wizards are allowed to do that.
This whole franchise pretty much puts up rules and then NEVER EVER FOLLOWS THEM. its so annoying. Harry breaks every rule constantly but no one gives a shit. And the excuse that he gets away with things because magic is lazy and a sign of poor writing
I use my wand to cast spells under blankets all the time ;)
SamuraiChris78 You are funny.
When snape and lupin used the disarming spell they clearly hit the wands while when harry used it on snape it hit him right in the chest
What if someone's worst fear were boggarts, would the boggart turn into a boggart?
then i guess it wouldn't really need to change.
Right!
Quick Shot Nat zelda fan high five
That One Random Artist WOO! High five!
***** Good question! I don't have an answer for that one!
“Deer Jesus” just cracked me up
Correction: Stag Jesus
Same!! 😂
Sirius' "Only one will die tonight!" gets me every time. Such a drama queen.
“Hermione isn’t old enough to be hot yet.” Genius
@@Broncort1 but no adult should say that out loud, especially in a recorded and shared video lol
Actually creepy
I wonder what he meant by that
Idk she's kinda hot in this one
@@darth-severus please tell me you're not an adult.
"deer jesus" i love you cinemasins
Legit my favourite movie in the whole series.
Because of the director
me too but NOT because of the director, he’s actually a shitty person.
Borderline comedy sometimes, i love it.
@@lemon-iy3ix I saw the behind the scenes and I found him really strange, a creep almost, however, everyone adored him in the comments. What did he do?
Also a big sin: Scabbers turns into fully clothed Peter Pettigrew, but when he turns back he leaves his clothes behind.
Thank God he wasn't naked. ;)
The hogwarts train leaves at 11 am, and arrives at like, 8 pm
Going from England to Scotland on a steam train usually takes between 10 and 12 hours (going off travel times when British Railways still ran the ECML)
yeah damn are the students supposed to talk for 10 hours straight?
@@dogsdreamtoo8427 I would take a nap lmao
Haven’t they all arrived in Hogwarts at nighttime? Why is that a surprise?
@@sundeepkuntimad5339 Because some people don't know how to sit still for 20 hours straight.
So I haven't started watching the video yet, but if the Hermione punch doesn't earn some points back, there's gonna be a strongly worded letter in the mail.
James Richards I'm getting my quill!!
The reason it blasted Snape off the room it’s because Harry was not using his own wand and when you use a persons wand that’s not yours it has different effects. And they would not have enough time to get the inviolability cloak because they would already be at Hagrid’s hut. So the sin counter should really be 68. By the way I still love ya tho.
MegaTsand The reason Snape was blasted across the room was because in the book, Harry, Ron, and Hermione all used the spell on Snape at the same time. For some reason, they chose to just have Harry do it in the movie, so I'm going to agree with that sin. Just Harry casting the spell should not have had that effect.
also in the book it says that harry, ron and hermione casted the spell together at the same time, causing snape to blast off and making him unconscious, but i guess in the movie they wanted to make it more dramatic for harry maybe idk
The same thing happens in Chamber of Secrets with their own wands though, and I think it even happens in the book, too.
And yeah they also couldn't get the cloak because they'd be seen getting it
MegaTsand actually it’s because (in the books) all 3 of them hit him with a spell
Plus, this is the teacher that has been dogging Harry since day one of his Hogwarts career. Certainly a moody teenager might tend towards overcasting when there's an opportunity to get back at your least favorite teacher.
Harry didn't steal Neville's lollipop. It got stuck to his cloak as he walked past. If he stole it, his hands would be outside the cloak holding it...or he would at least grab it and pull it inside so he could eat it...which he didn't.
Or like the rest of us, grabbed it through the cloak because its so fucking cold.
omg, you are right! that little detail is so genious, it made me cry just now.
Saint Aron But then if this was the case, half the stick would be invisible because of the cloak folding with his fingers around it.
But, keep in mind its a movie, and Harry Potter films havent been ones for details when it comes to over thinking.
That or he grabbed the very bottom of it
Also, it's a blood lollipop (for vampires). Neville probably didn't realize and Harry wouldn't have wanted it. Damn, I'm a geek. HAHAHA
"If only you had fallen right side up,Harry." LOLOLOL
that was cringy,..you said lololol
I wish