WORST RC RACE CAR EVER?? Part 2 - Wltoys 104001
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- My conclusion in reviewing this car is that I hope people will go to their local hobby shop and talk with someone who can support their proposed racing efforts. These cars are a cheap appealing option that will leave most people stranded on a race day when they inevitably encounter a problem. Racing is the more expensive side of rc that requires a fair amount of financial resources to do it well. Not impossible to save a few bucks here and there, but it shouldn't come as a surprise that you will spend WAY more on tires, entry fees, and spare parts than you will spend on the initial purchase of your vehicle. Want to race? lay out a budget first, talk to your local hobby shop and see what works best for you!
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I don't think anyone who buys this rc is intended to race it.
Incorrect. Literally had someone post to our local track's FB page this week having bought a similar car and wants to come and race when Covid restrictions have lifted.
@@MattyS02 i hope at least the car will be modified. Please let me know the result 👍🏻
...actually you'd be surprise how many people show up w/ these types of cars purchased off eBay to go race. I see it at our track every few months during race season.
You’d be surprised
@@MattyS02 I hope you let him race, why not? Do you have low end classes for beginners?
Years ago I doubt any of the RC cars were as refined or expensive as they are today.
People might of never considered racing until they get one of these to play with.
I don't think anyone considering racing first would go out and get one of these. None of the reviews I saw were recommended it for racing.
If someone gets one then decides they might want to start racing, I think it's a good thing, everyone needs to start somewhere.
Apologizing and having humility is what makes me respect people. Self reflection and having the ability to articulate your recognition of fault is how people can truly accept that apology. I commend you 💪🏼🇺🇸
Excellent conclusion. Loved your example with the kid wanting a TLR or something like that, dad checks out the price...😱 Then comes across the 104001, looks close and fits the bill. 🍻
I think this video hilights a fundamental divide in the RC hobby space; the gap between RTR and Self Build Kits. I do not believe this gap is limited to RC car racing but to the RC hobby as a whole. The gap I am talking about is the relatively inexpensive RTR option verses the much more expensive kit build options. This price gap creates a significant barrier to entry that turns people away form the hobby.
Mark Santa Maria hosted a summer camp at the end of July (that I had wished I had known about sooner) that made an attempt at minimizing this barrier by offer a roller build kit with an electronics package at a very reasonable price point.
I firmly believe that there is a market out there for a version of a build kit with an electronic package at a price point a little higher than current RTR packages that could offer a better foot in the door for those new the the hobby with an interest in racing without breaking the bank having to purchase everything separately.
WAY back in the day nearly all RC vehicles came in kit form, in the late 90's you could still buy Traxxas kits of their same RTR vehicles. It does seem like basic kits that have turned into RTR's have hurt the racing hobby. Because the way the classes are set up means you have to replace a bunch of the electronics immediately anyway, so there is absolutely a huge gap.
That's kind of why I see stuff like this as a cheap chassis, rather than a vehicle that is ready to run. Basic chassis kits would be huge for racing again, it would help out a lot.
You are describing exactly what I'm looking for. I don't have enough time to put into racing to justify buying a top end car and electronics. But I also don't want to bring my old traxxas bandit to try racing. Really wish there was some happy medium solution.
I imagine if you go back far enough all the RC race cars were probably worse the current offerings from WLtoys.
You can certainly race them. I really think they just need to offer lower end classes if they want more people to get into the RC race hobby.
Otherwise people will just do what they did before the racing scene took off, which is fine too.
I dont really know where youd be racing, as a beginner.. 1-2 years of experience… you cant tell me a b4RS is going to hold you back… if you think that .01 that the FT car would get you is where you need to improve, then your not winning mains.
It's pretty funny that the hobby shop guy basically said that the AE's RTR is nearly the same as the WLToys car. He's definitely of the mindset that to walk on to a track you gotta spend $800 to $1,000 upfront.
You can get other 5 wire servos.
You can probably also solder in a plug for the lap timer pretty easy.
However the DumboRC transmitter will get rid of the delay and their new brushless models have descrete components and 3 wire servos etc so much better choice.
Edit: Yes, sway bars are available online.
Edit2: I wouldn't really call it disposable, plenty of really cheap parts for them online.
Not really for racing. However if my kids took it to the track and it broke I could probably fix it at the track and we'd certainly not let it stop us trying again.
If you had a seperate class for lower end cars it might even be an extremely cool experience.
Your chat in the shop really showed your group really only has their experiences in mind and aren't open to entertaining other experiences.
If he gets asked once a week for parts maybe he should consider stocking some.
A store near me didn't stock mini z's a decade ago, they said no demand, now they do.
They may even be used in a race scene in China, who knows. I wouldn't get one for getting into racing. However if you got one for fun, maybe it would lead to racing if people were more open to it.
Edit3: I've seen many reviews online, after already purchasing a 144010 after a recommendation and a single website review, I've not seen one of those reviews that recommended it for racing.
They all mentioned it was durable, things do break but I was suprised how tough it is. I think it's designed to play around with at the park etc. I don't think too many consider it a racer, but some might consider racing because of it.
Pretty much most of the reviews mention the diff and shock issues and to put lube in them.
You also wouldn't recommend a racer car just for playing with at a park.
I appreciate your follow up video, but I don't think the RC racing hobby started at the elite level it is today. Pretty sure it barely exists where I live. Maybe consider opening it up for low end racing if you want it to grow.
Overall, I agree with your initial assessment, and it is nice to see you take note of criticism and address it openly.
However, I think you owe this thing one more track test, with a slightly more even playing field. I would be really curious to see how it performed with the proper tires.
This wouldn’t change any of the issues that plague the car overall, but it would be interesting to see how much the lap times improved.
I agree I'd like to see that myself
I would agree he is probably running a 150 dollars motor in his track buggy alone let alone at least 80 to 100 for tires and a 80 dollar servo. Now make this car even remotely comparable and then race them. I would like to see that.
How far do you go though? Tyres? Shock fluid? Diff fluid? But then it's still not "even" because it's running a brushed motor... could change that? But then you need to change the ESC, which has an inbuilt receiver so you need a new radio setup. Then the servo won't connect to that receiver so the servo needs to change.... The battery doesn't quite last a full run now, better change that too....
@@MattyS02 true for someone that afford it but I. Pretty sure he's got all that right there but yea I understand what you're saying
@@philiplibby7536 Yeah, but not even for the expense of the exercise, no doubt Ryan has all the parts there to do it, but to what degree would you have to go to in the spirit of the test to make it "level". By that point it's not the same car, even if all the upgrades are free.
u cant ask a hobby shop owner.. he doesn't sell it, but if you buy that car just make sure u order a lot of the spare parts with it . i have one all set up brushless with all the extra parts for under $250.. its not a bad buggy.. order a bunch of rear tie rods and front axles they are only $3.50 for the pair.. lol
You should buy an Lc racing it’s a higher quality wltoys and still cheap
Some interesting points Ryan and it was fascinating to see it from an RC racer perspective and how that influenced you at first. I could debate this topic for hours on does it have a place in the RC hobby and why would someone ever purchase one of these products. I personally have the WLToys 018, 019 and 001 and I love my 019 for the money. It's small, super quick and perfect for blasting around a small garden track for fun with no worries about expensive replacement parts. You can't say a Team Associated RB10 RTR at what, $300+ (not including battery ) is an option for someone who is looking at a $100-$130 RTR. Another way to look at it and probably a bit more relevant. I have $150 and I really want to have fun with an RC buggy at the park and in my garden, what RTR would you recommend I get?
Keep up the great work Ryan, big fan. Gavin
i got 2 losi mini Bs and love them. got a nice figure 8 track setup and we blast them around with their little brushed motors. got em on sale a couple weeks ago for veterans day at 112 bucks each.
Ikr, he only views it in the racer perspective LMAO kinda stupid tbh
The REAL problem is this car gives people with small budgets false hope. The vast majority of these get 1-5 runs in before they break and never run again. They get told by racers or hobby store owners nicely or not what this and the last video is about. That the electronics all need replaced, or it'll be more expensive than its worth or to buy parts from the place they bought the car. Which is hard to do, takes forever and its the same sub standard parts they started with. So they see the racers hit stuff go super fast and still race all day with no problem. So most of those low budget people get turned away from racing just because these chinse brands and advertising makes it seem its 1/2-1/4 the price and just as good. A few of those people might buy race quality stuff but thats rare.
Hell I helped someone at the track that bought a used T6.1 and it had the steering servo put in wrong and was loose in the truck. I fixed them up, used screws from my spare (had plenty of course) and they could start to drive around the track. It had a sensorless motor/esc so they changed that out and could start improving their driving. They eventually got a TLR 22x4 and did race for a while. So that turned out better but they had more money to spend, but someone like me really had to sit down with them and go through it and show them how to fix it right.
We just need to really build a better path into the hobby.
yupp thats the issue
The way that kind of servo works, is there is only a motor and potentiometer inside the servo. The ESC/RX combo is doing the position control that usually takes place inside the servo itself. This makes the servo cheaper but also makes it nonstandard.
always wondered about that.
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I don't have one of these but I am familiar with wltoys and their format. I think you redeemed yourself. I think this video was objective and you tried not to be biased. I do realize that you come from racing pov. I agree with you, I did buy a wltoys, it got me back into the hobby after a 7 year hiatus. I ended up buying x-ray, Losi and lc racing. Thanks for the update. Appreciate it
@Daft Donkeys I'm an 80s kid too. Have 2 Blackfoot from that time. Then wild Dagger and ta01 from the 90s. I was out of the hobby since 2014, wltoys got me back in.
Great review! BTW: the A arms are a 1:1 copy from XB4 and the XB4 sway bars fit.
No one is buying this to run it at the track but thanks for the good review. And try to find a better car for 120 dollars because you won't
Yes
Yes. It doesnt pretend to be a race car, its a basher
Literally had someone this week post on the local track's FB page about running a WL Toys car as soon as Covid restrictions are lifted.
I think a lot of tracks would benefit from having a newbie class of some sort. When I was a kid, my local on-road track had a stock TT-01 class. This was a great class to get started because the TT-01 was in that $100-200 range and was easy to get parts for. At my local hobby shop, when new people come in and ask, "how can I start racing?", I always start out by explaining just how expensive it is because everything is just competitive 2wd/4wd buggy (or TC for on-road). For off-road, where's the stock traxxas slash (or, hell, bandit, for tracks that are concerned with damage cause by SCTs). For on-road, wheres the stock TT-02 class? Its hard for people to want to put the large investment into the hobby in the beginning before they know they enjoy it. I think every track would benefit from having some form of newbie/sportsman class featuring a decent cheap rtr vehicle. These classes are great for both new drivers and children. The vehicles to make these classes do exist from trusted brands like Traxxas (freaking tanks for cars), Associated, Losi (what about the 16th scale rtr cars they make for like $250). If people could come to the hobby shop and see that they could spend a couple hundred bucks and go racing with other similarly-skilled individuals, it would be easier to retain them. Then, once they come to the track a couple times and race their cheap car, watch the faster guys with their cars, they might feel more confident investing more money.
1. No one will buy this and think they can race it stock ! it's an entry level car a.k.a first RC car.
2. Even with a brushless conversion 100-110$ it's still cheaper than other 1/10 models
3. The point about the battery and charger not charging fast enough applies to ALL CARS you buy not just that one
4. Ride height can be adjusted in 5 minutes with 4x screws
5. Dog bones can be upgraded to CVD's ( 4 of them are about 10$ ) and all parts are cheap
6.This is not a racing model , it's made to have fun with. A kid with 150$ saved can have this and use it and not have to save for a year more to buy a 500$ race spec car.
7.Wltoys brand is so big now that RC shops SHOULD start selling parts for them !
8. The Team Assosiated RTR car the shop owner showed ALSO need shock+motor+ESC+servo+radio to be upgraded to race , same as the 104001.
Edit : my bad the №4 is only for the smaller model 124019 ( 1/12 scale), looks like you can't easily adjust them on the 1/10 scale.
Can you do a follow-up with the local hobby shop showing what entry level race cars that can make it through 2 qualifiers and a main are available for sale VS buying a disposable rc car
The main issue is there's not a real in between, you have the name brands which are higher dollars, then you have cheap knockoffs like Wltoys makes. This particular buggy could be raceish ready, with a parts bin for the stuff that breaks, for probably around 4 to 500 dollars. It would still probably be the slowest on the track but you could make it work.
@Daft Donkeys I agree, even w/ on-road racing ...if you don't want to spend money and/or aren't sure if this hobby is for you, you can get a Tamiya TT-02 for $100. They are race-worthy for novice classes and even VTA class. You can't go wrong as parts support is great and it is very easy to upgrade the car. When your ready to move up you can still use that Tamiya as a basher. I'd highly recommend the Tamiya TT-02 or TT-02B (on road or dirt) as an entry level car if your budget is under $200 (this will get you a car, transmitter and battery). Upgrading will be easy and if something breaks there are plenty of parts and most guys at the track will be able to help you out.
Honestly, I've been following you for a couple weeks and I felt that your last video had a very different tone. While I didn't feel attacked, it felt very one-sided. I personally have a 124019 and it's my first rc car. The reason I chose this car was because I didn't even know what cars were good value, I didn't know what problems this car had, and I didn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a hobby I may not enjoy. I don't doubt that a lot of people are in this exact same boat and it's pretty difficult to find anything negative about the wltoys cars. I really appreciate your apology and I'm sure a lot of people do as well. I also appreciate your honest impressions of the car since it shows US why there are better options.
@Daft Donkeys hmm, maybe I'm just not using the right search terms. Everytime I look up these cars I see speedruns, upgrade parts, and positive reviews (with the occasional backhanded comment on durability)
My first RC car was the 124019 too. I doubt it’s any good for racing as a stock. But it’s a great little car for bashing and a great starting point imo. Sure, if you have cash to burn then go for a higher end vehicle, it will be objectively better.
If you are having fun, it is a great car. If you want get into serious racing, and that is a big If, you may want to get a car that is more geared for racing. Have fun, that is the most important thing. This is not F1. This is a nerdy hobby.
Wltoys are not for racing , they are for having fun and introducing ppl to the hobby on a BUDGET ! Yes a 500$ car might be 300% better but if you have 100-150$ that means nothing.
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Hey brother listen I wouldn’t be too hard on yourself. Anybody who is watching your channel should know that you focus on racing and that essentially all you were doing was demonstrating why it’s worth putting in a little bit more money upfront so that your racing experience is a positive one in so you don’t break some thing on a cheap chassis like this and maybe give up the sport all together. I can understand if someone watched your video and wasn’t really familiar with you - that they might kind of take it as a little bit elitist but in all honesty I think you should just brush it off. It was in good fun and yeah WL toys doesn’t make a good racing buggy. That’s just the truth when compared to the big racing brands. Nonetheless, good on you for apologizing to those that were offended and taking the higher ground. Always a fan of yours buddy!
So basicly...If u dont have a $1,000 don't bother to start racing? Everyone starts with a cheap car and all u people make them feel like shit cause they don't have a name brand rig! Have none of these hobby shops heard of or reccomend banggood? Other name brand parts fit, but the hobby shops don't wanna take the time, they'd rather just sell u something and look down on u, instead of actually helping. U have to go into a hobby shop like 4 times b4 they actually see u as a real customer. Not everyone has money like the pros!
I have this WLToys car, I put a 13.5t Hobbywing motor setup into it and some carbon top plates to make the chassis more rigid. I also rebuilt the shocks and diffs completely, added a bigger pinion and some wheels/tires. It goes pretty good as a basher, I'd like to take it to a track soon and see how it does durability wise.
I'd say it's around $350 for the car with all my upgrades, probably closer to $500 if you count my radio, spare parts, and better charger. So yeah end of the day, probably should have gone for a Associated or TLR. But I like the idea of this cheapo running around the track ;)
This is not something you want to spend money on hopping up. Just grab a few spare parts and it's fine as a light basher. For the price you've spent probably would have been better off getting a Typhon 3S or 6S.
The thing is, if you're already going to change all the electronics, just buy a used b64 roller and put those electronics in it. You'll be farther ahead on money and have a better parts supply
@@justinbevier8231 or buy this wl toys as a roller and buy all the stuff you are going to need to buy no matter what car you have (charger, wheels, tyres, different weights of oils, extra batteries, nice motor, good esc and fast servo).
That way you can eventually buy a really nice 4wd kit and put the stuff you bought in it
With any grown up hobby/fun purchase, I've always budgeted 300% of the purchase price because that's about what it usually takes to get it sorted out. That being said, the knock off Chinese stuff is getting a ton better and Wltoys in particular is pretty good about parts availability. I have mostly Kyosho and Traxxas stuff but bought at 124018 on a whim and it's not bad, especially with the upgrade kit.
This is what’s upsetting to some people - the overseas stuff have gotten a lot better.
I've literally been winning races with an rtr b4.1. New servo and motor that's it.
Upgrade the cheap screws and such and take it to the track as a back up for any new racer that may have thr same cheap rtr setup
TT02b spec class uses brushed motors. Isn't an issue.
You should compare it to similar priced Tamiya.
If you're buying used, only buy from someone you know well and trust.
Glad you walked back and apologized for your last vid. It was pretty harsh and this was a very adult response.
I don't think upgrading electronics is as big a deal as you make it out to be. If you swap out the esc, servo, receiver, and radio for something race worthy it's all equipment that can be reused in another car in the future unlike car specific purchases like all those endless aluminum option parts you can buy for these cars.
I'd still like to see you address the concern many have that racing is just too expensive in general. Going back to the story of the mom and her 8 year old kid, do you think you'd have ever seen them at the track in the first place if there wasn't a cheap car they could buy?
I didn't take it as you being an elitist, instead, I heard advice from someone who has raced a ton. That's what your channel is about: racing. If you were about the "rc hobby in general" and did a review on this model for general bashing; that's fine. But as I said, you're a racer and a racer will speak on a racer's mentality. So, yeah, good on you for "apologizing", to me, not a big deal. 🤘🍩🏁🏆
Why compare something that's not even advertised as a racer in a race setting? This would be like comparing a TT02B or DT02 as a race chassis. That's not what they are meant to do.
@@shadow7037932 you are right, but, I believe the original statement to be true. Ryan was giving his opinion. Some took it as being a bit harsh and others didn't. That's ok. We all can have an opinion, just like we all take the hobby in a different light. 😁
@@Storyracing387 the whole spending 3x as much to enter a race class suggests to me you need a cheaper entry level stock race class. Rather than trying to get folks to step up and spend a LOT more for what maybe a passing fad.
I tell people anytime they show up with brand x to have fun. When the choose to take it more serious get a good radio, charger and tools. Chassis will come and go but those three things are constant. Starting a good collection of electronics esc, motors, servos, lipos and transponders makes the kit seem like a small cost. I used to never buy new kits just second hand from the lhs but now I'd never buy used for myself. I try to keep an eye out for good deals for new people at the track to keep new racers get in on the cheap. This hobby is hard to explain to someone on the outside. Your not being elitist you understand the value in supported brands. Had a guy at work scoff at the idea of a 1200 budget to get started. I noticed he had golf clubs in his trunk. I asked him how much his golf club collection was. He suddenly understood this was a serious hobby that involves time, practice and money just like anything else. It's still the cheapest form of motorsports you can do. But like anything else that goes fast you need to pay to play.
@Daft Donkeys okay whatever you want to call it then.
Oxford dictionary:
mo·tor·sport
/ˈmōdərˌspôrt/
noun
a sport involving the racing of motor vehicles, especially cars and motorcycles.
Doesn't specify weather or not they can be remotely operated.
There is no hobby shop in many places. The on line things are more approachable than most of the big brand cars and parts. I believe it is why these things got popular too.
Some shops don't want to help newbies unless they are willing to spend $500+. I always check reviews and there are too many shops that do that. Give the reality of racing. I am a guitarist. I have some cheap guitars and many expensive ones. I would not bash someone who's just starting or be dismissive because they can't afford $700 for a decent gigable guitar. I would let them know, if you wanna gig and stay in tune, you'll need to upgrade the cheapo's tuners, nut, probably the bridge, and likely the electronics if you want decent sound. That's hundreds right there. But if you don't plan on gigging, maybe just learning, jamming in a garage then enjoy your cheap guitar and get used to tuning frequently. Once you're ready if you want, consider a better instrument, even used, be patient but LEARN about the instrument before buying used! Then you'll know what you're buying!
Snobby stuff is a great way to prevent sales.
The only reason I would never bring this vehicle to a track is because I don't want to be subjected to people who's entire goal is to put a ton of hardware in my hands that I cannot afford. and unless you're buying me a top end kit, or helping pay my rent so I can afford one of those topend cars, I don't wanna hear anything. You must think everyone has an endless supply of cash.
also, those cheaper off brand cars are perfect to learn how to wrench, learn the ABCs of RCs, they are perfect 1st buggies for someone who has no idea if they want to stay in the hobby.
@@beesod6412 you also wouldn’t take it to the track because it would break after a days worth of lapping. As he’s said, if you want to buy it, play with as a basher, then by all means go for it. Just don’t expect to race with it. This is a channel that talks about and is active about racing.
@@beesod6412 You're right about these inexpensive RCs being the perfect gateway for someone who is just entering the hobby, but you don't learn to "wrench" with an RTR (be it cheap or expensive). You learn to open a box and install some batteries with an RTR.
The ONLY way to really learn to wrench is to buy a kit, read the instructions, and put it together yourself. That way you know every single nut, bolt, screw, clip, bracket, standoff, strap, and pin holding that thing together.
And contrary to popular belief it is not more expensive to go the kit route if you do your homework first.
This is what the hobby is all about learning and sharing our knowledge and having fun … my kids LOVE the 104001 and the 124019 they know is not a top of a line rc car but is not garbage either and they have put them tru hell at the local track .. so far just a bended dog bone on the 124019 got replacement tru Amazon within 2 days ..
*the only thing you need to know and everyone need to know is* 'THIS IS NOT A RACING BUGGY !!!!!' full stop, *NO ONE EVER SAID YOU CAN RACE IT IN TRACKS OR IT CAN LAST VERY² LONG* (although my a979 is still perfect even after 5 years), no more honest review/ppl commenting/opinions... *You get what you paid for*
Unfortunately you didn't come across well and it kinda noticed a different attitude with the dialled in workbench video (I mean who cares...) . I don't think it's a race car... Who buys a race car and enters a race... You need to practice and learn to drive a bit first. Instead of having lightweight, titanium screwed, ceramic bearings, hot 17.5 motors and trick batteries in the stock class (supposed to be for new racers) why not race these? It really would be to hard to get a transponder to work, the cars are fast enough but not too fast and parts are potentially very cheap (quite well supported in the uk), seems like a good "gateway" car before getting a higher end kit and racing. Bung on some control tyres (no sauce or sanding) and run. Just feel you could have come at it from a different angle.
Two HUGE reasons why you wouldn't do that, Ryan just explained.... they break easily and they're hard to get parts for.
@@MattyS02 Can get parts easy,and cheap,faster in the UK than most of the expensive brands,looking at my broken losi and xray here
@@grrfy For the beginner racers he's talking about, how many hobby shops will stock the parts? And how many people at the race track will have parts to loan? This is why if you're starting out racing you want to look at what is available locally.
Here's the way to explain this:
Can you race it? Yes.
Will you be competitive? Absolutely not.
Will you finish a race? Probably.
Will you finish a series? Absolutely not.
If it breaks can you fix it? Probably.
Are replacement parts readily available? Absolutely not.
I raced a RC10GT back in the late 90's. I started with a basic kit, bronze bushings and all. After one session I recognized the reason for the $90 price difference of the basic kit, and the team kit. So I built it up, probably spending as much again in upgrades as I did for the kit to begin with. I blew the head off my first motor. Tore up steering servos. I didn't put the diff together right, didn't tension the brake properly, and got the slipper disk greasy. I was so out of my league going strait from Tyco direct to nitro stadium trucks, and the only reference I had was a 21min VHS tape. But after running the gauntlet for a couple of years, it was easily the greatest "toy" I ever owned. I think inexpensive RTR cars have their place, but it isn't racing. They are a great introductory experience, but you have to have low expectations. At the $150 price point, I would let someone experiment with something like a Mini-T/B RTR. It's a good experience, but also leaves some room for growth as a gateway into a more serious kit.
The best review I have ever seen of 104010 / 104002. I want to buy 104002, its cheap for me +- 200$, but after Your review I realised that is a lot of things to improvement to start racing on track...heh thanks a lot
Many of my RC racing acquaintances would put Traxxas down as being lousy. I’d agree that as a racing vehicle Traxxas before 2008 had nothing competitive. Now Slash spec is a great way to get into racing. But if someone wanted to know what racing is like, IMHO, there has never been any reason not to bring your Rustler or Bandit to the track. Win or loose, racing was for me fun, It has to be as I was 46 when I learned that they race RC cars and that was 1996.
If you bring your WLToys, Traxxas or whatever to the track and you have fun great. If your competitive nature takes over you will upgrade to better.
We need to get more people into RC racing. Putting someone down because they do not have the best equipment will not do that. Helping them have a great time will.
To me the best thing about racing is the people I do it with. So grow the hobby with fun, not insults
I hope you still check comments after 5 days, but I just got to view this. I agree, generally, with your sentiment here. and yea, the first video that was... rough. I see where you're coming from as a racer. I think perhaps a better approach if you're wanting to talk about the new racer is to try this again, but a bit more realistically. Instad of the comically cheap WLToys car... let's run a few assumptions. Start with maybe one of the RTR Associated or Losi kits.... or maybe an Rustler or Arrma stadium truck or even more realistic, 4x4 short course. That's kind of one of the big "welcome to racing" classes, because the vehicles tend to be pretty stout for bashing as well. Leave it stock except the simple changes a new person can and would be directed to do. Slap some track appropriate tires ("These kit tires are great for bashing, but on the track, you'll want some clay tires. It's just the right tool for the job") and springs/oil ("This box set up is for bashing, big air and lumpy ground. We'll want something a bit more tuned for prepped surface.") then just... whatever adjustments you can make on the car from there... get some realistic geometry if the vehicle allows.
Now at least we're starting with something that has better design behind it (RTR's from race oriented companies are following race vehicle geometry if with less adjustability and high end weight saving materials, where as Traxxas and Arrma should survive newby race day pretty well). And something that they can get parts for at the FLHS. This is something they can take their basher, just get it somewhat track worthy and see if it's for them. With the understanding that "Did you like this? Was it fun? Alright, instead of making your 4x4 Slash a racer... let's baby step into it, get a Tekno, and move over the electronics. Not ideal, but then you can work your way up." I mean, when I started racing (monster trucks with a Revo 3.3) I ran a traxxas radio for a while because.. well, it fulfilled the basic needs. It worked fine, I could track the vehicle straight, and it was comfortable for me at the time. RTR motor and speed control isn't going to be the fastest or the best, but that can be a milestone. Is the motor holding you back? Now's the time to upgrade instead of jumping in with more motor than you can handle with coming out of a corner.
Yes, eventually, you'll want a nice radio. (Honestly, I still just run a DX5c...It's comfortable to hold, has multiple models, and really more tuning than I make use of) And high dollar servos, and the like. But that CAN be stepped in to, as a drivers skill is ready for it.
I know you're not made of money, but I think it's a better assesment of newby budget racing to start with something much more likely to be bought by someone coming in to the hobby shop the first time. You tell them they need to drop a grand and they'll just peace out. Tell them that if their serious enough to dip their toe in, this $300 RTR and some tires, oil, and shocks will let them try and if it doesn't work, you've still got a solid kit to play with at the park.... much more likely.
I have heard that this is a cheep copy of an LC racing LC10b 5. The LC isn't a cheep buggy, but it's not as expensive as other kits on the market. If by chance you ever came across one, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
nice video, In my opinion it isn't a problem to be critical or negative. But I do believe you have to substantiate your opinion with proof, or generally when it is based on opinion and not fact, describe in more detail why it isn't your cup of tea.
The arguments against this vehicle are solid, I totally agree. Unfortunately the vehicles that are significantly better are also more expensive with the same ratio. I drive a HK Vandal with a couple upgrades I did and/or designed and made for it. It drives very well for a vehicle of that price but it did of course cost extra time and money.
Wltoys 104001 $125 + goolrc4300kv motor +esc $39 Dumbo rc controller $29 servo $14 3s lipo $20 = $227 full brushless 3s race car
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I owned 200-300 RCs, however, I still own 1 WLToys, and I also run it!
Why I run this cheap toy? It is because I have some friends to play with! My friends didn’t have any RC experience before, and they are not willing to spend a lot of money on their 1st RC. They were just wondering why I love RC so much and they would just want a try. So we bought WLToys RC together!
After few runs, they found that they should upgrade their WLToys! Yes, this car is cheap made, and bad quality. But the main thing is, these guys bought their 2nd RC and looking for higher level for their RC experience. In the same time, we still run that WLToys.
So, there is not anything about “good or bad”. We have fun with it!
If you know what your doing you can make those Banggood cars rip and be durable you make it seem like they're obsolete it's just a couple things to change around. Am I saying they're race worthy? Hell no but they're not as "strange" as you make it out to be I own some of those wl toys and have made them amazing cars for under 100 bux plus a lotta parts from known brands fit since they're are trying to copy them lol but they're fun cars to mess around with especially if you like to tinker I just don't like how you talk about them like they're obsolete or useless
Fair play Ryan, fair play. This is the kind of Ryan we're used to and want to see more of!
I still remember my Grasshopper in the 80s....life is simple back then and we had fun..searching for dogbones, charging nimh with car battery..etc
It’s a pos that only channels that are given for free say “it’s awesome fastest rc ever!!!!” Like rc saylors sorry guys buy something else cry once. Prove me wrong…
Those associated RS kits are the BEST competition RTRs on the market… they go bare bones in places that arent going to make you slow…
Bang for the buck its hard to beat this thing for $160! It's not fair to compare it to hobby grade cars that cost twice as much. Thats not what this was designed to compete with. In its price point you can't beat it honestly. No one buys these thinking they are going to dominate at the local track.
I bought the car for $130 on banggood bought an upgraded brushless engine Servo and ESC for $34
Ryan you should make a video on building or buying a budget racer with the new tlr 5.0 roller!!
To be honest after watching these videos I’m most surprised by the comments hobby shop owner made.
A person who buys the chinese no brand vehicle is the best customer you can get. They quickly realize their car is slow, they want to make it quicker. You sell esc and motor to it. Then they try it on track and realize how slow the servo is, that’s another sale. Then the batteries and charger as there is driving more and more.
In the end the only limiting factor is the car itself. You only have to sell the kit, since he/she already has everything else. Simple.
If your hobby shop has a large inventory you will find suitable parts for every chinese knock off. Or can make parts to fit.
The hardest part of getting new faces into the rc hobby is getting them committed. Sell a 1000usd kit and tell them to go to track. They lose seconds per lap with a better car against other. That kit is on sale soon as used. Get them cheaper to a hobby and make them see benefits of every upgrade part. You will see that customer still racing for years.
People who review these mostly are bashers for the money this car is great for bashing it. People who buy these know their only part source is banggood and eliexpress
I think all together (part 1 and 2) are perfect and sums up the car just think if the order was different then people would had accepted it better.
The order I would do in future is a overview of the car with your thoughts(start of part2), Then run the car (part1 video). and then do a summary of your thoughts and your recommendations(end or part 2).
Good summary. This car just isn’t equipped for racing and as you so rightly point out to make it race ready you will have to spend at least the price of the car again upgrading all the electronics and battery. However just because it’s not suitable for racing doesn’t mean it’s junk. There’s definitely a place for this for those who want a cheap car to bash at the park or do speed runs with and if that gets then into the hobby and maybe interested in racing later on then that has to be a good thing. There is a brushless version of this WLToys model on the way (with a more standard three wire servo and I think a separate ESC and receiver?). Could be an interesting time to revisit the racing suitability of such a car (certainly more sensible than trying to replace everything in the current one). With the right tyres and a more tuned set up could that be a entry level option for a beginner?
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That was a great apology for the first part of the video in this line of the WL toys buggy I had a similar experience with one of the local experienced racer when I brought out a brushless arrma senton race and was told my car was a piece of crap because it was cheap because I wasn't running an associated or a HB or something like that and it came from an actual sponsored driver but thanks again
This video is on point. I recently bought a HSP 1/10 buggy with the intention of trying racing and quickly realised the quality just isn’t there. Already had to pull out and replace the steering servo. The good part is by having to do that I’m learning how to maintain the car. I’m going to use this car to practice steering the car around the track consistently, and then upgrade it once I’m competent at pointing it in the right direction.
Love the mindset here man. You've 100% got the right idea but, as soon as you can I'd upgrade the radio system with something that has known good response. These rebranded flysky things that come with hsp and redcat make it more difficult than you would think to do what you're trying to do. Also, don't worry, this is a problem that plagues nearly all rtr vehicles throughout the industry. Quick story to give you an idea: we had a guy come into our shop and ask what we think would be a decent "try it to see if I like it" sort of vehicle to race on our carpet offroad track. We told him we could get him a Losi 22S SCT and that although it's rear motor, he could learn how to get around the track with it and move up to a more carpet oriented kit if he ends up sticking with it. So it comes in on practice day and he comes down and picks it up, along with a battery and a charger and went home to charge it and came back later when the track opened. He was the first guy on the track so I was able to watch him run a little before the pits started filling up. Let's just say I was thinking "uh oh, I hope he doesn't get discouraged right away" because he at least appeared as if he might've gone the whole night before completing a lap without going off track or crashing. Then I noticed that the radio that came included with it was a Spektrum STX 3... I had driven with one in the past after regretfully selling one to a coworker for his son's car. It has arguably worse response than a hsp rtr radio so I said "I don't think this is all you man" and "let me take a lap with that thing and show you how bad it makes me look too 😂." Needless to say, I couldn't keep it between the pipes either. Another local offered up a dx2e and an actual dsmr receiver for $40, so he bought it, we swapped out the receivers, bound it up, and he went out there and drove 5 clean laps right off the bat before a marshall was needed. The message here is, you need to be connected to the car in order to be able to improve your ability or else you'll spend all your track time trying to learn where you need to start steering before corners to make the car follow the racing line.
@@N8_Spec I hear you. I can steer it ok, just not consistent yet but I think it’s me not the equipment. What isn’t me is the laggy throttle and lack of speed but I have my sights set on the upcoming Associated RB10 RTR as the next step up. I know it’s not a race spec buggy but it will be a definite improvement on the HSP brushed.
Hey Ryan . I was one of the guys that said i appreciated your driving . To be truthful , i have dived headlong back into rc because of folks like you and a main and a few others like short coarse . I too believed you could have chosen a better delivery of the car for this reason . Say a kid gets one of these and he or she is short on cash but loves the sport . Saying things harsh may divert someone new to the sport to not go any further into the sport, some don't bounce back . Explain why the car is better and what makes a car or model better or worse , which is why i said what i said about your driving . Don't be hard on yourself , I feel your a caring individual from how you deliver and explain things . Keep it up , you do the sport proud . This was by far a better video explaining the sport to newcomers than most iv'e seen .
Classic UA-cam backpedal! Love you Ryan!
Extremely well-done video and a very well-delivered message. Everything you've said in this video is 100% true, and as much as I hate to say it, anyone who takes any sort of offense to not only your review of this RC vehicle but of all inexpensive RC vehicles as viable alternatives to true race-designed RC vehicles needs to seriously reconsider their potential involvement in the sport.
I'll admit that I have a few WLToys RC vehicles. And I'm very happy to say that I have just completed the build of my Team Associated RC10 B6.3 (my very first Associated kit, and my first "true" RC race car). And I can say without any hesitation that there are absolutely ZERO comparisons in the quality of the parts, the fit and finish, the assembly, and certainly the performance between my WLToys RCs and my B6.3. It's not only a case of "you get what you pay for", but it's also that these inexpensive cars are designed to a price-point and built for a purpose, and that purpose is NOT competitive racing.
If someone is looking to just get into the hobby - either for themselves or for their son/daughter/niece/nephew/etc... and isn't sure it's something they will pursuit beyond the occasional trip to the park or simply running their vehicle in the backyard or driveway, then an inexpensive RC vehicle from companies like WLToys can be a good option. There have been several instances in the past where I have suggested some inexpensive models from such companies. Of course, the suggestions do come with caveats in regards to spares and overall longevity. But as a gateway RC, many of these inexpensive RTRs can be a good initial choice.
However, as you have expressed in your video if someone is looking to enter the world of RC racing, these inexpensive RC vehicles are absolutely NOT the way to go. Frustration, disappointment, and ultimately more costs are all these cars will result in if competitive racing is the ultimate goal.
The trouble is, of course, people look at the price of "real" race RCs and once all the required parts/accessories/electronics/tires/wheels/tools/storage bags/etc... are factored in, they quickly shy away (and that's to say nothing of the commitment to track time and attending race events). So it's easy to see why the possibility of accomplishing the same thing with a "cheap" RC can be appealing to many who haven't had the proper exposure to the hobby. It's a hard-learned lesson. But this has been RC racing's Achilles heel since its very early days and remains that way to this day. You don't feel too bad when it happens to someone in their early 20s, but it's heart-wrenching when it's a child just looking to get involved in the hobby who probably spent weeks convincing his folks to buy them an RC so they can race it at a nearby track.
Just gotta keep getting the right message out there.
Keep up the great work!
Love this post as it covers all the major points really well.
On a side note, I've been trying to convince 2 people, my dad and my brother, to get my nephew a better rc (something RTR grade from a reputable brand) as opposed to settling for walmart shit. While it's a fair bit more expensive and a moderate gamble for us to buy for a (then) 6yr old kid, I keep bringing up how they've bought him all these useless shit box rc cars that he doesn't like beyond 5mins of play, wasting literally enough money to have bought him an RTR that he might have a chance at remembering.
Now I'm not telling them to go and buy the best or even the best RTR, I just think that they've bought him way too much crap (over 5 rc cars) that he's gotten bored of...
The only problem is he was saying that from a racing perspective lol, of course it's a lot different since it is not designed to race
Bruh, no apology needed. The video was informative AF, and I doubt many people would disagree. I work for AMain Hobbies and everything you touched on is a regular occurrence. People have no idea what they're getting into, even with kit builds. The amount of people who give up after the first week is over the top. It's a lifestyle hobby that takes patience. Period.
well said
Left rear camber link just dangling 😆 I remember that from the first video. 28mm!! 😂 Felt part 1 was a direct & honest opinion I'd expect from a racer using this vehicle. Obviously some people got hurt. Humble Harris 😉 found a "nicer" way to explain it to a non-racer. Well done sir! You're a great rep for the hobby!
Those RTR are Ready To Run, not Ready To Race. And they are nice for what they are meant to.
The problem is - there is no affordable beginner RC car that is easy enough to get racing with.
Yup. You're looking at $200 for a basic roller kit at minimum.
The real problem is there are not enough races for cheap cars. I started racing with a 150€ rtr car in a spec rookie class. I spent 150 more for a transponder, lipo and charger and was ready to participate in my first race. But the most important thing is parts support. I broke so much stuff while wrenching on the car or running it. If there are no parts available, it's a dead end. Last year a new greenhorn class was introduced by the onroad clubs around here, based on the tamiya tt-02. That's the way to go in my opinion. It's like mountainbike sport. You try it out with a 500€ bike and then spend 3000€ for proper one if you want to get serious.
Good follow up Ryan, much better tone and what I have come to like about your videos. The first video just did not portray you and your values very well, this one did a great job of it.
Excellent. Just the sort of thing I was hoping for. Thanks for reading the comments for the first video.
I'm going to say one thing, I'm a physicist for the DoD (I do okay for myself), I didn't want to spend $600 on an RC car to take to the local track and hit some jumps. I paid $95 for my 104001 off of Ebay. As soon as I got it, I took it completely apart and went through everything, just something I do. Found some issues (lubrication of systems that have high mechanical wear areas, loose screws, ect. Basic shit.) After fixing some of the basics, I started evaluating the "upgrades" I could do with the given platform. This thing is endless if you take the time to do some market research and apply some basic technical skills. You can very easily improve this RC car with a little money and still be much less than the name brands and have just as much fun. Its all about application. I've put about $100 in mine and it's doing just fine. Just my TC.
Use titanium and problem solved.
I'd really like to see you give the car some tires, basic race prep, adjust ride height etc, and then give it your best effort at the racetrack. Then post the lap times. I'm just really curious how it would do.
It does have “toys” in its name, so unless a person is in denial of its capabilities, you get just that-a toy.
This reminds about the Tamiya Grasshopper. All the parts you can replace as expected in this hobby. I bought sometime in the late 80s. Okay, so some kid bought a knockoff “grasshopper “. Don’t know what the actual name but it was almost an exact copy, which was bought in some flea market, but all parts were specially made for this car. Anyhow, the kid’s vehicle wasn’t working…maybe the motor or battery…don’t know but couldn’t figure why it was a no go. Everything in that vehicle was cheap and nothing in my Tamiya Grasshopper could be swapped into it.
Your humbleness got you a new subscriber. 👍🏻
Ryan, Thank you for doing this video. I was also a bit tweaked off with part 1. And thanks for making really high quality content. Keep it up and I'll keep watching. 😃
No need for an apology! Videos have always been great to watch and very enjoyable! Keep them coming.👍
Yea totally agree. No need to apologize. If you’ve just started watching Ryan you’d know he is the nicest and must upstanding person. He isn’t trying to hurt anyone or seem better than anyone. I swear these days people can’t handle the truth or someone’s opinion if it varies from there’s.
Terrific honesty dude
Here’s the thing, your initial review is really no different from this one you just made, except...you were less annoying and less demeaning. First, i don’t think that the manufacturer even intended for this car to be in a world class race. By the name itself, wlToys, it is a toy or something that could be a first step into the hobby of they want to escalate. They gotta start from somewhere. Heck, when i was rc racing back then, we were using japanese brands like Tamiya, Kyosho and Yokomo because we couldn’t get much supply or even parts for US brands like Associated and Losi. So thats the first point really, do not inhibit people from the hobby by saying parts will be unavailable. So its geography! They just have to work it out. Second point, the car is an entry level tool in of itself that helps those who really want to get into the rc hobby. An educational tool, before leveling up! Let them learn, then they can decide. Had this rc been intended to be a race car, they would have places diffs in it, sorted out the electronics etc. i can go on. Last, you should have done more research. This vehicle is a copy, yes a copy or design knockoff of the LC Racing EB 1/10 scale race car. All being said, this is a toy! And, you don’t have to rub it in the face of those who just want to enjoy getting the feel of the hobby. What’s the snobbery and attitude all about? If there was a kid around and he had you for a mentor, i don’t think he will race. Lastly, your hobby shop will only feed you the most expensive items because the margins will be bigger! Don’t take the fun out of RC! And maybe for your future content, look at it from the global perspective and what is available out there for people to have fun with. Let them have their own RC adventure.
you clearly haven't actually listened to both Part 1 and Part 2 of the videos clearly... you know it's not meant for racing as stated, but people will think its capable from other videos and the looks of it, if you watched this video to the end you'd see that Ryan has addressed these concerns but you're too offended to of noticed
@@awracing17 i did watch both! The message is: “sorry but this is in my opinion” in the second one. Again, my message is simple, Don’t take away the fun from RC! If they want to buy it because that’s what they can afford, so be it! Let it be. I believe the car, this particular one can be a good learning tool for new hobbyist to learn about the parts, experiment and generate further interest. And maybe just maybe, he scales up! No use buying a kid something he wont be able to enjoy and bash around with. If this is what they can afford in Africa or India or even in Papua, let it be! No need to be condescending about it or giving a stigma to those who have bought it and bring it to the track! Look at Masami Hirosaka, he was ridiculed and laughed at for using stick controls, well he won 14 world titles. The lesson here is...don’t bash it based on a racing person’s standards. And this was still evident in the 2nd vid. And no matter how expensive your RC is, if you don’t have the skill to control it, you wont win! Now you know why the crawler segment was created.
Here watch this so you know and the hobby shop owner knows where the wltoys 104001 was copied from. Research will do you more good!
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Great video, Ronnie seems like a cool dude!
I raced my 104001 in a recent national competition. Qualified 3rd in the C mains so not disastrous. However in order to get it race ready I had to replace:
Servo
Motor
Esc
CVDs
Ball joints/links
Radio gear
Wheels and tires
Battery
Sway bars
Carbon shock towers
Centre diff
It didn’t break while using it over the three days, but by the time I’d spent all that money I probably could have bought a used TLR/Associated
this dude is so glued with his current age. dudis immortalis. haha
He’s spoiled
love the update video. i think most people where shocked on the last video (including myself) cause of the way it was delivered. but i also did not look at it from a race point of view but rather a basher/fun point of view. i do not own one of these but still thinking of getting one just for a fun vehicle. i like to tinker with rc cars. i go to a track from time to time but nothing serious while i am there. would still love to see you throw in some of your electronics you have laying around then tune the vehicle and give it another go on the track.
I feel your opinion completely. I used to have a nikko rc car in the early 90's.(Sand Eagle II with NiCd batteries). Now I have a son and I bought two 'cheapo' ones (16101 and 16102). With Li-ion, brushless and esc/reciever combo like on the car you demonstrated here. We absolutely love to bash about. But we have been waiting long times for parts. Fortunately we have 2 so we can swap parts.
The nice thing is that we were able to have a lot of nice moments with cars that run a lot better than the car I had in the 90's.
Now we know that we both like rc'ing we are now looking and saving up for better cars. Thanks for your honesty and very informed opinion on this car related to your intended use.
We will wait a bit longer until we can get better cars from the local hobby shop and have more fun in the long run.
And until then, we will still enjoy the bashing and little unprecise racing with our crazy fast cars. And hope we don't break anything. 👍
The off brand RCs are what they are. I wasn't sure I wanted to get into hobby and bought one. It was a great introduction to the hobby in front of my house and at the park. Along the way I met a local club that races 1:10 short course trucks. So now getting into racing I picked up the Team Associated Pro4 SC10 ready to run. Its not the fastest but neither am I and it has been great so far for learning to race. Once I can get around the track cleanly and competitively than I'll look at upgrading it or maybe building an expensive kit.
I'm finding out the same sort of issues with the Bonzai brand of RCs. They seem decently built for the price, and touted as "fully up-gradable" ..but it has issues. They even put a little port on the ESC for 3 wire servos or lights. It has that same crappy bus bar on the WL toys though. I got the 1/12 scale drift truck that's basically an Infraction clone. I'd just keep it stock and use a 3S pack until it wears out the motor in hindsight. You'll burn through the tires first though, which presents the first major issue. It has 12mm hexes which should allow lots of options, however the steering arms almost touch the inside of the stock rims which are 52mm. Most 1/10 wheels are 47mm. I wasted hours of cutting to fit wheels just to have them split because I had to shave them down so far. On the plus side, I pushed this truck to 56mph and it's been fun, but I can't get through 2 battery packs without something breaking.
I think this video opens up some more questions! Has "racing" in Ryan's have the appearance of being too expensive? How are novice and young drivers accommodated at your local weeknight club race? Do you have a novice heat that they can run in? As a parent, I appreciate that you need to spend a bit more to go racing as I race myself, however kids interests change like the wind, so spending £120 on a RTR Car that might not be raced (as initially it WILL be bashed in the garden before it goes on the track) is possibly a good thing. If the racing thing doesn't happen, you haven't wasted £300 on a car that will never hit the track.
I do think that what we experienced as kids (Beeaties Bag with RTR package: Tamiya Hornet in the 90's that could be raced to get started) had disappeared and been replaced by these Chinese cheap copy cars that are in reality not suitable for racing, which are bought off the internet, as it's very convenient.
An interesting topic. Here in the UK, the BRCA (Roar equivalent) organises public display events in a huge shopping centre in Milton Keynes). Does your local club do promotion events at a local summer show/fete to show off what your club does to get novices involved in the hobby?
I’ve been looking for a comment like this for a long time, and I agree! I’ve been out of the racing scene a long time, but in the 80’s, when RC took off in my area, the hobby-grade RC’s were a lot more equal. Sure, the RC10 was king, but I could still bring my Futaba FX10 to the track and hang. Nikkios and Tycos were still out-classed, but there was definitely a smaller performance gap between the hobby grade stuff.
I commented in his other video using my club-cycling experience. I’ll use that example again. In the city club I ride with, we invite everyone to nightly rides. Some show up with some pretty low-end bikes. Some never, come back, but others do, and a couple things happen. They either upgrade what they have and do really well. (It’s the Archer, not the arrows!) Or they buy something a little more capable.
The point is, they showed up with what they had, found out they liked it, it was fun, and they made some friends.
RC needs more “gateway” classes. I always say, buy what you can afford, run it “til it blows up” and then get something better.
I think there needs to be more of that in RC racing. Welcome people in, and let them upgrade as they grow.
@@RoyRoy-wg2qq totally agree Roy. Too often we are looked at by the public as a bunch of nerds in a field driving round a track.
@@wn129747 yeah, we are geeks, not nerds!
Going out on a limb, I love the Wltoys 144/124-019 but this 104001 is a pile of dog poo. It's sloppy, heavy, poorly thought out and has let the brand down in my opinion.
For starting off the 124019 or 144001 are great but no no no to this car. Pay that little bit more and get a proper 1/10 racer.
NO PEOPLE IT'S NOT A RACE BUGGY! It's a FAUX race buggy. That means fake or imitation or knockoff. Great video😎❤
Issues are to much body flex,links pop off easy and its power plant is under whelming...Fixes add graphite upper brace kit,mod or replace link cups,install a surpass 60am esc,motor and replace 5 wire servo...Easy fast simple mods..of course you will need a different radio and rx...i agree guys new to this hobby will hate this car ...but guys that have experience will appreciate its potential for speed car,basher,or just driving around the block.
Much better video. Parts support is THE biggest thing to think about when buying an rc car. $125 is still a lot to pay for something you send one time and break an a-arm. Even when buying a high-end RC, will you be able to readily get parts? It is the first question you should ask.
The generic Amazon cars with no support are disposable. The popular Chicom cars have a lot of support, upgrades, and repair parts available. Intentions of using any of those cars for competitive purposes is just absurd. My best car was technically an RC10T which was frankly a bore. I got a brushless Wltoys to run around with my kid's cheap but surprisingly durable 2wd Madgear buggy. The funnest car I ever ran was a Frog with a Trinity sprint motor back in the day. These cars remind me of that. All these reviews get this stuff for free then try to sell them for commission sales and their opinions have to be taken with a grain of salt. There's a few people out there that are honest users and that's always appreciated. ✌
This is just a kids toy. I had fun with it. That motor will burn you. It gets hot. It will run 3s 2200mAh, mine did. I ran mine in the creek, it didn't kill it. I did have to dry it of course. It was submerged, I left it in my video. LC Racing would be a better choice if you want to be a racer. We are all kids, it's fun just for fun.
Really like this. Went through the same thing as a boy. I remember my hobby shop fitting a savage fuel tank in my 1/10 generic nitro buggy lol
Pretty new Sub here and i must say the last vid also struck me with a raised eyebrow, BUT you realized, adapt and overcome ;) we're all human after all and so are you, right? RIGHT? keep up the honest and good work Ryan!
Disposable... That's the word for these cheap models. Great to try and get kids into racing, but you have to get them something that have spare parts easily available, and way more durable. It's basically the same opinions that many of the other UA-cam channels say about these WLToys crap. Just a basher, not a racer
You don't have to apologize to no one at all just be yourself and great 👌 videos
i dont think you should apologize for who you are and how you truly interact when your with your friends, Its just a band aid i think the best thing to do is resolve your underlying hurt, you sounded like a bully from primary school just looking for an opportunity to raise your self esteem due to insecurities and unresolved hurt, 'hurting people always TRY to hurt or bring down other people or things' fFACTS! a lot of people including myself have been there mate, its a part of personal development and growth to be aware of your emotions and manage them! i love your videos and i loved your last one because you were you at this point in time, managing your emotions, ego and hurt is vital to navigating life successfully. keep up the good work
Well done Ryan, it’s hard to please all parties all of the time. I saw both videos I m a firm believer in telling it how it is, which I might add is why I watch your channel.
I was one of those grown men (55) that had an RC car in the garage that came from Noah’s ark ( prob 30 years ago) and ran on 7.2 v battery that put a new battery in it over lockdown, then decided to go racing and brought a HSP 1/10 brushed car and took it to the track 😂. Well the guys were good about it and I raced my toy with the big boys 😂 and promptly sold it and the guys there steered me into better cars ( hobby grade) 1/8 buggy,
Now I have a fleet 11 cars and counting buggy’s, truggy, on road GT nitro, Arrma bashers( gone arrma mad actually)
So the team at the local track were and are supportive.
So your doing the right thing
Cheers
Ryan - thank you for telling the truth, even if it's tough. I just got back into the hobby after 25 years off back in June and I'm thankful I had a great hobby shop who sold me a Slash. Of course three months later and 9 other cars I've spent a ton more, the Slash is still such a fun staple. I think I spent $250 for an out of the box with charger truck which was OK and could race in the spec class right out of the box. I got my son a Slash Ultimate and he's hooked now, and very competitive - in his second race placing #3 in the B-main of the beginner class.
Thanks for your honesty and go on the Hobbyplex podcast! It would be awesome! Cheers from Nebraska
I built my first car decades ago...just picked one up cheap...Just needs a couple of simple mods that cost pretty much nothing but some common sense...Its a fantastic car for those of us that know rc cars...it actually is extremely stable well built machine that needs some tweaking imo..
Ryan, thank you for your more neutral perspective. I think the term "disposable RC car" is correct.
I think the backlash on the first video is due to a misunderstanding. "On the fence" for you might mean taking the step from bashing in the garden to start racing RC cars. For most others, "on the fence" is probably the step from the indoor toy car to a real basher for the garden. To be able to get a sense for the speed, the required control, the "true RC experience", these china-cars are a blessing for any parent!
For $100-150, I can let my daughter get a feel for the experience. I bought two of the WLtoys 144001 (the "good" WLtoys car). One for myself and one for my 9 year old daughter. (In hindsight, I wish i had bought 3 and just used one for spares). We built a jump. I moved the lawn to make a track around the garden. I bought a real charger and some better batteries. We are having tons of fun, and now I can judge if she really gets the RC bug.
Ryan, if you were a parent, what would you recommend as a good path to get started? What RTR car? what upgrade path? If there is a good affordable alternative out there, with better parts support, I'd be willing to pay a little more.
@Daft Donkeys I dont know the latrax, so I would not know. Have you driven them both?
I saw you ride motocross Ryan.
Let me make a comparison to moto. This car, is the comparison of a 125cc 4 stroke in the motocross world, yes it works, yes its cheap, yes it can do mild forest riding, but try to race it and you will be disappointed :P
RE Disingenuous videos, yes! My youngest hasn't damaged his A959-B Vortex but my eldest has! First it was breaking the plastic suspension ball mount. So I bought new aluminum suspension. I didn't know to use locktite blue. Lost a screw and in the same day (just playing around at a park) colliding with other cars (arrma) and the dog bone is bent and the gears were noisy as all hell. $100+ later I have parts arriving. First problem was the batteries. We have like 7 now because some just done charge. Bought a new charger too. That's not part of the $100+!
The new parts include the drive shaft, suspension arms and control rods and stabilizers. But no screws for the drive shaft. Old drive shaft had just one nylon large gear, rest were metal, and.. BOTH screws snapped! Did they supply new screws in the kit? No! $14 for a new drive shaft with screws, but now I have two new drive shafts because they didn't include screws!
Mounts for the drive shaft cover didn't come with those screws or lock washers either.
It really does add up just to repair them, plus given they are 1/16 scale, everything is quite compact.
I spend $120 on each car (two kids, two cars otherwise fighting). Then because of the collision I have to spend that much just to fix the damn thing.
it's fast, it's way better than the cheap Tyco when I was a kid for $120 and it has parts but it isn't well supplied. You can't go to a shop.
This is it though no more repairs. If it gets broken again, I will give it away with the parts.
My kids don't want to be racers. They are 9 and 11. They just want to drive and jump. If they didn't collide with anything it would be fine.
If they ever get serious, then we'll go the old school kit route, like a Tamiya Frog or Hornet. Those can be purchased for $140-200, obviously you still need radios and ESC and all that. But still, building it is the next step, so they can learn!
Just sharing the experience. You wait a week or four for the parts and sometimes they don't even include all you need!
Thanks for the advice to others who almost promote these without commenting on the sourcing and parts missing and buying extra and easy breakage.
i direct new people straight to the rustler xl5. 200 bucks new 10th scale, takes a beating and upgradable. its the perfect entry level car for anyone. yes theres the slash and then arrmas line up but we would be getting away from the real subject thats on most peoples mind when they look into this which is price point and parts availability versus what all can be done with it. the rustler can race or bash at a very mild price then if you want to get weird you can throw stampede or slash parts on it. if they dont like it its a rustler and will sell for a 120 - 150 bucks all day long.