Magic Johnson on Karl Malone not wanting him to play in the NBA because he had HIV | CLUB SHAY SHAY
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- Shannon Sharpe ask Magic Johnson how his life would’ve been different if he had not been diagnosis with HIV in 1991. Magic reveals USA Dream Team teammate Karl Malone as one of the many hesitant to see Magic back in the NBA. Magic’s response to Karl: “I just played with you [Karl Malone] on the Dream Team, we practiced against each other every single day…now you don’t want to play against me?”
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Magic Johnson on Karl Malone not wanting him to play in the NBA because he had HIV | CLUB SHAY SHAY
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It's cool when they do it but its a problem when I do it.
I always had mad respect for Dennis Rodman anyway but there was a sequence in an All-Star game where he bodied up Magic and he was like I could care less about your diagnosis I am going to play tough D on you and you are not going to score on me. It appeared that Worm was doing this as a direct result of Mailman’s voiced apprehension. What Worm did spoke volumes.
100% Rodman is much more of a real man than that human trash Karl Malone. Should have never even been in the nba, should of been in jail for sleeping with children
Dennis is a real dude.
Agreed……100%
lol sure
I guess Dennis was slightly smarter than Karl
Maybe if Malone spent some time at schools with people HIS AGE he woulda been a little bit smarter 😒
Aids knowledge was limited to be fair lol. But you're right
I don’t like Karl Malone for multiple reasons…but in his defense, at the time there wasn’t as much info on it as there is now. It was still very much taboo and almost exclusively being blamed on one specific community, so almost everyone was ignorant about it. And also the anti-retroviral treatments weren’t as good as they are now.
I see what you did there lol
@joceja23 OK so go get a 13 year old pregnant and we'll see how it goes for you. Keep us updated wherever you end up
Most of y'all wouldn't have survived childhood back in the day either
@joceja23 weirdo
Malone doesn't wanna play with magic. He'd much rather play with children
😂😂 Fr tho
Lol. Clever
What he do w kids?
@@Ausnapify when he was 20 he got a 13 year old pregnant
@@Ausnapify Karl “13” Malone
At the time of Magic's diagnosis it was pretty much publicly thought that once you had HIV you would probably die within a few years and that was where everybody thought Magic's situation was heading which made it pretty surreal. He certainly had quite a few years left where he would have been playing at a very high level which sucked for NBA fans because he is the greatest point guard of all time. He handled it like a champ though and he's still alive and well 31 years later.
Not HIV, when it turns into AIDS then it's over
I can’t imagine how Magic felt going through all this! That had to be the most depressing time. To get that news and everyone in the world knows and have to lose the job you love simultaneously. People gossiping about you and treating you differently . Worrying about you and your families health. Smh. I admire the guy for rising above that situation and flourishing in life after basketball.
Thinking with his 🍆 & now his Jr is a girl
Its an unfortunate situation but if he was loyal to his wife, he wouldn't have had those problems
@@MrsKartier Facts
Most disappointing time of his life after having the most exciting times of his life
Please magic had plenty of fun becoming HIV positive
When I found out as a kid Magic had HIV, it broke my heart.
Now 30 years later, Magic Johnson is still here looking healthy as ever and Kobe Bean is gone.
Just shows you how life works…
Guess Magic doesn’t fly in a lot of helicopters. Just shows, that nothing is promised. Some can be heat today and gone tomorrow.
God a body snatcher. Don’t play with that man
Yeah - its as if magic never had it!
@@Thebrothaisback i believe he never did. That virus has no cure and look at him, way stronger than most 60 yr olds
maybe he got cured with magic
Two of the most charismatic sportsmen of our generation together. What could go wrong! Love from India to Unc and Magic
First time I ever experienced one of those where were you when this happened moments. Was in my dad's kitchen when Magic announced he had HIV and was retiring. Me and my dad had a real conversation. So glad to see Magic in good health all these years later. Great podcast
I hate to say it but what Karl Malone said about Magic Johnson, he said publicly what a lot of NBA players were saying privately.
All you're doing is repeating what Magic said at the time about pedophile Karl's comment.
Back then people didn't have enough information. And people looked at him funny because everyone was scared. It wasn't just Karl. It was everyone. When he came back, a lot of players spoke against it. And that was still the stigma up till early 2000s.
You get it. Respect to you Paul. I believe this is an unfair take on Karl. Not a fan of Karl but I'm a fair minded person and when something like that happens, it sends shockwaves,, which will bring g on fear and judgement.
Kinda like how people thought you were subhuman if you didn’t wear masks then moved the goalpost to vaccines that requires boosters
@@Fucev and threaten ir would take your lively hood if he didn't comply
I was about to comment something similar. No one knew anything about HIV so I don’t blame people at the time being hesitant to play with or against Magic
People are still scared of AIDS
My favorite player of all time… I love you Magic!!!!
Mine also, great player.
South Memphis Vet
I strongly agree with you!! I model my game after him😀
I always think of Magic whenever people talk about the best "what could have been's" had it not been for injuries. HIV isn't an injury, but I think people forget that Magic was still great during his last full season (19.4/ 7.0/12.5 splits) before his first retirement. The man could definitely go a few more seasons.
Yup. He was only 32 years old. He easily could have played another 5 seasons and the assist record would be his as he says.
He would have racked up the numbers, but I'm not sure I agree about getting more championships. Worthy's body really started to break down after 92, so who would be a good enough number 2 to put them at the same level as the other great teams of the era?
He could have certainly played a few more seasons but he is insane if he really thinks he would have won more championships like he said lmao 😂. He wasn’t gonna beat the Bulls in 92 or 93
You know I am a HUGE Celtics fan and have been one for over 40 years and I have said it many times, Magic is the best player I have ever seen. Yes, I loved Larry but every time the ball was in Magic’s hands I thought, ‘Oh, boy.’ He completely revolutionized the 1 position. Whoever thought a man, 6’9, 6’10 could distribute and dribble like that. He was a walking triple-double. Like he told Unc he had another at least 5 productive years left. Larry’s body was cooked after the Dream Team, so he had to give it up. All those extended playoff runs throughout the 80s took its toll.
@@Ahmad-ln6bp And if he played after that, he wasn't going to beat Hakeem's Rockets
The mental fortitude Magic has is unparalleled. To keep himself together after something as public and dire as this situation then flip a switch and dominate the world of business is admirable. He could have sulked in his self pity for decades and barely left the house and no one would have blamed him. But he made lemonade out of lemos
Yeah, admirable but he had plenty of money to take care. Access to best doctors and best medicines, if money was not there, no amount of mental fortitude would have saved him.
“You can live through ANYTHING if MAGIC made it.” - Yeezy
Brah yeezy top 5 all time fr Ole boy da truth
Just listened that song yesterday hard line
That’s the greatest rap song ever made..top five fasho
The goat 🐐
I live that motto
Karl Malone should have been ban from nba. He knows why
fr they let a pedo in the league
@@duttreacts4780 no secret.
@@duttreacts4780 Decades later they still have him at the NBA 75 ceremony like nothing happened, and then pretend they’re some progressive league smh
@@GoldDeagle999 I mean the person don’t take away from the career you give anyone his career stats and they are top 75 tbh
@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 Pete rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Barry Bonds are not in the HOF for waaayyy lesss than Malone.
Different sport I Know, just making a case.
What’s crazy is how far science has come since 1991. I was 8 or 9 when Magic was diagnosed with HIV and now 30 years later, I forgot he had it.
Every time i hear Magic speak its so inspiring i get a few tears
Why cause he slept with over 500 women cheating on his wife and family to get Hiv?
EXCELLENT segment, bless both of you guys 🔥
what karl did was out of the fear on not knowing
Which was 95% of the population at the time, let’s be real
BUT, if he JUST played with him on the Dream team.. then what was the issue?
@@ogpupu just caise he did does not mean there was no fear in his mind
@@MrBiyi he wasn't too scared if he JUST played with him..foh
@@loonatic42 thats what happens when a new disease sweeps through the world cause u don t fully understand it ,it causes fear nd u do things u may never do before
Idk about being #1 in assists all time. Not saying John Stockton was better, because he wasn’t, but he is wayyyyy ahead of anyone else in assists. That’s one of those records that it’s hard to imagine it ever being broken.
I agree, I mean Magic would have had to have kept playing until his 40s to beat that because in terms of in season durability, Stockton is the durability king. Him and Malone only missed like a handful of games in their careers. I really doubt Magic could have played enough games to stay ahead of Stockton. But anybody that watched the 80s and 90s knows that Magic is the greatest passer of all-time, he made dazzling passes to spaces where it looked like nobody was there and then suddenly Byron Scott or James Worthy filled that space out of nowhere lol. The only player that even remotely sniffs Magic's creative spectacular passing was Jason Kidd, but he couldn't do it as much as Magic. I got Stockton 2nd as my all-time passer just out of being a passing factory machine. Stockton was always making the correct play or pass.
Old heads always exaggerate. Stockton has 15k, Magic had 10k, he would have needed almost 5-6 seasons where he averaged at least 12 assists per game and he was already 32 at that point (also have to factor in ability to stay healthy when older). Same with he said he would have won more championships, no he wouldnt lmao. He got swept by Jordan in 91 finals, lakers were in decline after. He was out of his prime too. He wouldnt have even made it out of the West, let alone win against Jordan again when the bulls are even better and lakers worse.
Stockton was averaging more assists than Magic when they both were playing in their prime. Stockton's assist record will never be broken.
Stockton is the passing goat for sure
It’s good to hear Magic’s side of the story. I thought Malone was apprehensive about the HIV diagnosis because I specifically remember how Malone used to play and how he cemented a certain kind of reputation when he made Isiah “Zeke” Thomas “accidentally” bleed in an NBA game.
And the NBA rules were very different back then. Fisticuffs were a lot common in NBA games and those were assessed as regular fouls.
But also in the late 1980s, not much medical science was known about HIV and Aids. It was once believed that the incurable diseases could be transmitted via sweat or having any contact with bodily fluids in public toilets or locker rooms.
All sports fans loves the way you played your game magic , the passing was something to watch !
Crazy thing is he outlived everyone.
Exactly. Who ever thought he would outlive kobe bryant.
They had super high level medicines back then that were available to rich folks and not the general public it would seem.
I was in high school when I got the news about my favorite player. Nobody has ever ran the point like my guy Earvin "Magic" Johnson 💪
Shannon is taking over the podcast scene. Never heard this story. Salute O.G!
Casual
Yeah, like seriously what basketball fan have *never* heard about this..?
I remember this just like yesterday. I didn't blame Malone at all. The time was different and HIV was still spreading and killing.
Magic is a class act love this session
GOD BLESS YOU E.J. YOU HAVE INSPIRED MANY.
Keep in mind he averaged 15pts and 7ast in 1996, after 5 years of inactivity and at age 36.
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If no HIV, Magic would have a legit 🐐 argument. He is still top 5 even with having to retire early
No doubt
He shouldn't have slept with over 500 women then
I agree.
Great interview Shannon!
Malone was the one who said it. Many players thought same. Early 90s ppl really thought virus could be transferred in a hand shake.
Imagine being someone who impregnated a 12 year old as an adult but you judge someone for having HIV
Knowing what we know about Karl I don't think he had any room to talk
No room to talk to protect yourself and your family wow that’s a different way of thinking
@@quintbakerjr2786 I get that but Karl is a pos
@@dwadeisthegoat2020
I don’t know what that means but the truth I guess people just want to skip over is if magic wasn’t sleeping with everyone he wouldn’t have had hiv and Karl wouldn’t have a reason to be worried. Magic is the root but some people are focused on Karl’s comments like come on.
Magic Johnson, a great basketball player, an even greater sportsman and gentleman
Crazy how he got HIV and Cookie never left him.
And she never got HIV. Strange
That’s because she TRULY LOVES HIM❤
@@step-p4j very strange indeed. Its as if magic never had it.
@@Thebrothaisback never did humiliation ritual
@@KingLike8 also, a way to make sure that mike had the 90s for himself
Magic is the man frfr
He don’t have it this man has had it for at least 30 yrs
R U SURE ?
I was so shocked and saddened when Magic made the announcement of his retirement. He was my favorite player in the NBA.
Shannon answering the questions for him is hilarious
Shannon needs to just STFU and the best point guard ever Magic Johnson answer
Excellent question Shannon somebody had to ask
This man gives so many people hope !!
Karl malone got a lot nerve coming from a person that got a 12 yr pregnant when he was 20
As great a player as Magic was, I find it hard to believe that he would win more champion chips after 1991, regardless if he was 100% healthy.
I mean they were in the Finals in 91 and LA with Magic and Worthy was still probably a prime destination for FAs. They could've won again with a key pickup here or there.
Magic was runner up for mvp voting that year. Stop it
@@J-Hue even Barkley could've ended up at the Lakers
you probably a youngn, u probably still think lebron the best ever
@@renandabomb lol man you just had to take shots at Bron.
He aint lying. Magic had a lot of ball left in his body. So sad watching him be unable to play the game he loves. Every sports fan knows where they were when that announcement came out. I was in the training room getting taped for football practice. The entire building was like WTF? It was shocking.
I don't blame Malone for one minute. We didn't know then what we know now. How can you blame a guy for being fearful of getting AIDS?
❤Magic Johnson you my Favorite NBA Player of all time.. It would had been toooo Much of Risk.! You stopped Playing.. We Will always Love you.. For being A Great Laker.. Stay Strong..Thankyou..❤😊✌🏾
Man as a kid when I didn’t know nothing I thought Malone was so cool, I’ve heard nothing but unlikable things since I’ve become an adult
I've been waiting for this!!! 🍿🍿🍿
Malone need to worry about the horrible stuff he was doing instead
Doesn’t change the fact magic had hiv and Karl didn’t want to get it. And since info wasn’t as available as it is now, Karl had the right to be worried. Why jeopardize or put his family at risk because magic was sleeping with everyone and caught hiv?
@@quintbakerjr2786 bingo .... almost noone wants to bring that up ...
@@quintbakerjr2786 He played with him in the Olympics fool so his concerns were fake.
@@triplebeans4159
Well if you can’t have a conversation like an adult I’d bid you a Blessed rest of your day, calling someone a fool who doesn’t share your opinion is foolish to me. And yes he played doesn’t mean his worries about magic catching hiv and Karl possibly getting it was fake. I don’t even know how you came up with that, truth is magic shouldn’t have played because there wasn’t a lot of info on hiv then so why risk other players health and lives because of magic? Doesn’t make sense
As much as I love Magic, he wasn't winning anymore championships. That was Jordan's Era. Not to mention they had just lost to the Bulls 4-1 in the finals. That 91 Lakers team was essentially the last of Showtime. With or without Magic, the team was done.
Lmao Karl Malone has no room to talk knocking a 13 year old up
That dude so messed up, he probably like at least I won't get AIDs from a 13 year old
Magic was still improving when he retired believe it or not. His jump shot and 3 point shots were becoming more consistent, to where he was the guy you wanted taking the last shot, always, no matter who is on the team, from anywhere on the court. Had he stayed healthy, I don't think the bulls 3 peat the first time, and we see some epic Finals games between the Bulls and a re-tooled Lakers (Barkley was a trade target before Magic got diagnosed).
I remember when he announced it I was stunned because he was my guy. I cried I mean I cried especially how they treated him.
When he came back in 96 he was still good. Just needed a bit of a workout.
Karl Malone could never be half the man Magic is. Malone won’t even acknowledge the stuff he did
Corey holcomb-“ when magic jumped in the pool with that bandaid on everyone got out”
When he played in the allstar game i stood back from the tv
To Karl’s credit on not wanting to play with Magic….Education was limited to the masses….AIDS had the entire US scared!….Keep it a buck, if Karl Malone had of all of a sudden dropped out of games that Magic was in, everyone would’ve questioned him anyway….It was a lose-lose for Malone in that regard.
Keep in perspective back then little was known about HIV. I remember watching that go down and everyone was nervous about that. Not so sure about Magic passing Stockton in all time assists though.
😳This is Proof Been Wealthy can Buy You time🤔
I mean real talk. At THAT point & time we still had no idea how dangerous or safe it was so I'm not mad at Malone at all..💯
But u are mad about him being a phedo right
Karl Malone got some nerve 😒 especially doing what he did. I know it was a Looooong time ago but, maaaan, that’s still sick either way I’m sorry.
You talking about Pedo Malone? Lol
Is Pedo Malone worse then pedo Lawerence Taylor?
@@neilsmith9066 they both sick. I just heard about LT situation bout a year ago. These guys are terrible.
We love you Magic thank you 🙏
Put 13 in the chat for Malone
I’ve never thought Karl Malone to be a genuine guy. something is always been off bout him in my view n I think he’s not as celebrated as some of the other NBA greats. His dig at Magic, the foul move he tried to pull with Kobe’s wife. Go Magic 🙏🏾👊🏾💪🏾
Karl Malone knew that was the only way to get out of the West
we weren’t as educated about the virus back then. i was a kid and remember the announcement. we thought Magic was going to die 😢
I am a lifelong Warriors fan, East Bay born and raised. But I know the Magic Johnson is the best PG of all time. Steph changed the game but Magic had the greatest complete package of all time. If this man had not contracted HIV or had people around him that understood what an HIV diagnosis truly meant, and could have continued playing, he could have been the GOAT. No matter what Jordan did, MAGIC would have been the GOAT.
Magic wit Kobe N Shaq.....even an old magic wouldve been destruction
This man changed the league. Any blood time out is because of this man
Which is great!
Stupid rule... I understand why it was written in... But it should be taken out...
Best Point God and Laker ever!
Karl Malone was 22 and had twins with a 12 year old that had the twins at 13? enough said
What’s that have to do with magics hiv? It’s funny people want to skip the root of the problem, magic with hiv to insult or attack Karl for wanting to protect himself and his family from a virus magic got from his own actions.
Nothing about what he did is acceptable but in regards to actuality he had twins with his wife, not the 13 year old
Always good to hear both sides. I always thought magic can't be mad at him for not wanting to play against a hiv pos dood. People didn't know what it was back than. Now you understand magics point
That number 1 in assists is a hot take, coz stockton avg 11.5 apg in his first 13 yrs in NBA only missing 4 games on that 13 yr stretch while Magic avg 11.2 apg in his entire 13 yr career and playing 70+ games every year so I dont think he will be number 1 but top 2 for sure.
The stigma is still there no matter how far we’ve come.
WE LOVE YOU MAGIC
Karl was scared just like a lot of people were
Understandable, but he had some nerve when he'd rather play wit children 👀
@@PrePre_ 😂😂😂😂 I said the same thing when people kept bringing up Rkelly
scared but he legit just played with him in the dream team. if he had said that prior to the dream team, it woulda made more sense
@@crillz9660 EXACTLY!!!!
A lot of people are ignorant.
Magic got it backwards, he CAME BACK to play for the dream time after he retired
Wow for Magic to go through this and become a great businessman/co-owner of sports team.
Mr no rings the mail man
The I like 14 year old girls man
WOWWWWW.
Magic's maturity and purity in his reaction to being burned by the entire league is so admirable 😲😲😲😲
Karl Malone ain’t wrong, you know how easy it is to get cut on the court or scratched! Too easy for me I agree with Karl Malone! Be real!
Your iq is almost the same as your shoe size
Agreed my man.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 Thank you for being honest.
Definition of Goat Talk
Karl Malone would have wanted Magic to play if he was 13. Karl Malone would love that.
Karl out of all people.....with his history 🤣🤣
I’m not a fan of deadbeat dad Karl Malone but I can’t blame him for not wanting MAGIC to play.
At that time HIV was like The Vid in 2020. Most people didn’t understand it but knew it was very dangerous and potentially fatal. Imagine someone wanting to play with the Vid in 2020.
Karl Malone's more like a Deadbeat Brother/Cousin.
@@twilitezn
Wow judgement is really big for some people here. I take it you haven’t made any mistakes in your life?
@@quintbakerjr2786 Dark Humour's not your thing...Your reading WAY too much into it...
@@twilitezn
I guess it’s funny how people will jump on Karl when if magic wasn’t cheating none of this would be an issue. People skip past the cause or root of the real problem to focus on someone’s else’s past, it’s just weird to me.
@@quintbakerjr2786 You think impregnating a 13 year old and denying your children shouldn't be judged yet you're all over the comments section talking about how immoral magic was? karl Malone must be your relative lol.
Really proud of Magic Johnson...I remember that day well in 1991 when that news came out, this man has overcome that adversity and is a bigger and better person and role model than he ever was playing basketball.
Karl wanted to win a Championship the easy way😂🤣
Perseverance is 🔑
Hindsight is always 20/20 especially in situations like this. I'm old enough to remember this situation and Karl Malone was the only one man enough to actually say what EVERYONE was thinking and wanted to say.
I remember Karl talking about this then and over the years, and the issue was on the Dream TEam they were on the same team, but head to head he was going to be the one bumping into him, ramming up against him, pushing up against him 16 times a season. He was scared he could get it. Even Magic admitted in this interview education needed to occur because even the head of the NBA didn't know nor want him back.
Now, in 1992-1993 people still didn't fully understand HIV because Dr. Fauci was purposely freaking out the country with HIV just like he did with the Wuhan Flu.
Bottom line, it was a concern everyone that had to play against Magic had. Karl was just the only one that came out in the public and was brave enough to share his mind.
Finally....Lakers were never going to win another championship. The 1991 finals they got absolutely smoked by the Bulls and that team fell apart right after that.
Yeah everyone wants Magic to be Assists leader--makes sense, but just did the analysis--he averaged 900+ assists his last few years prior o him missing 4 years--thus 3600+ assists. He ended up with 10,141 Assists career--Stockton had 15,806...so he would have been a 2K short, perhaps played a little longer than 36 but rarely any of those guys did back then due to fitness and conditioning compared to today...and the league was Rougher--aint no pitty pat league like now..
Just for context! Magic got the timeline wrong, Karl Malone story broke out pre all star break in the 1991-1992 season… way before the dream team.
Thanks for being yourself magic
Great brother and 💯💯💯
The true Goat 🐐 !
I believe the government gave magic that and help with Michael Jordan winning championship. Sports is government ran like it or not, it is.
🙄🙄🤦🏾♂️
😂😂 You sound like my coworker he said similar things, he believes they made Magic the face of HIV/AIDS to bring the world awareness & so Jordan could start his run of dominance in the NBA
What people don't realize is that Magic came back to the game in 1996 and averaged 15/6/7/1 on great efficiency at age 36, 4 years removed from professional basketball and he only started in 9 games playing less than 30 minutes. He also had two 20 point games in the playoffs back to back and then followed it up with a 13 assist game. They still lost 3-1 to the Rockets and not everything was going good for Magic, but his team wasn't that great, this was literally the season before Shaq and Kobe.
Magic could have played easily from 1992 to 1995, because he played well for the context in 1996, that's 4 extra seasons to pad his stats and make himself even more of a legend, I don't think he would have won a ring or gotten the all time assists record, but he certainly would have been held in higher regard as an unanimous top 5 player of all time unlike today when people place him anywhere from 4th to 9th.
Im definitely not a Karl Malone fan...but at the time of Magic's diagnosis....Karl just said what others were thinking. Magic is the man though and his journey is a testament of how God's plan...supersedes all else.