Sonic Origins - Before You Buy
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2022
- Sonic Origins (Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, Xbox One, PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X and Series S, Microsoft Windows) is a fancy new collection of the classic Sonic games with some nice perks. Let's dive in.
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Felt like I’ve paid and played this game a million times already.
At least it's not raid Shadow Legends
Sounds like you got suckered
@@xanhaxs or Skyrim
Because, Bryan, you have
@@xanhaxs man i just dl that game ab a month n half ago n im addicted rn should i quit playin it i know its just a stupid cash grab mobile game
This Before You Buy feels different. You can tell Falcon is super passionate to explain everything about this game. Man just really loves his classic Sonic
My thoughts exactly. He obviously cares a lot about these games, which is cool
Glad to hear, these games are true classics.
Yeah it was the first thing I noticed
Lol I could tell the moment he made his avatar into Jet from Sonic Riders
really? he sounds bored and sad to me.
Haven't played the Mega Drive games in years and I mean years. I'm 45 now and I was in my late teens when I played Sonic 3 and Knuckles and I bought this collection for the Nostalgia. I really like the idea of playing all games as one big game in Story Mode with animated cutscenes along the way.
I look forward to playing this over the weekend when I have some time to myself.
@CJ P.
Phil Collins 🤔
@CJ P. Nah it is Mega Drive everywhere other than Yank country.
I hear you. These games were my childhood. I still have my cartridges to this day.
@CJ P. Why is it even called Sega Genesis anyway?
@@muhammadfajri9392 apparently when sega was ready to bring the mega drive to North America, some company had already patented the name mega drive, so sega of America settled on genesis, why I don’t know?
It would've been awesome if SEGA allowed for a 2.5D remake of the Sonic Games because the devs did a great job with the menu screen.
Agree!
The last time they made a 2.5D Sonic game, we got Sonic the Hedgehog 4. If I remember correctly, the physics in that game was not good.
yup
That would have been worth the $40+ bucks in my opinion. Or even just an update with Mania graphics.
@@StubzTurner Sonic Generations had plenty of 2.5D bits and was pretty good IMO. Definitely the best "modern" Sonic game, to me at least.
Widescreen is a huge deal when it comes to Sonic games. It makes them infinitely more accessible.
👍🏼
Sega: adds wide-screen. That's it.
Sonic fans: HOLY F*CKING SH*T!! THIS IS CRAZY!!
True
Facts 😂😂
Most of us bought it for Sonic 3 cuh
Lol
Sadly yes.
I would've loved to see this be different -- imagine all of the games as a single chronological game experience, with updated sprites to match Mania, and also have save states. I would pay $60 easy for that game.
Play mission / story mode
Bro there’s a story mode with all the games in one 💀
@@thinkkk21 well, that covers 1/3 of what I said. Now we just need the other 2/3.
@@JoelLonganecker story mode updates the sprites and adds save states? 😲
@@cvanims There's an auto save feature. Does that count?
Most well rounded take I’ve seen. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Do I get a satisfying “SEEEEEGA” when I start??
I would love to see a sonic adventure 1 and 2 remake
Oh god yes 🙌
Same! They will benefit a lot from an HD remake! I can already imagine how good they might look in hd!
Rumors went around about a year or so ago that the remakes went through development hell and got cancelled so we might not be getting one anymore. I hope it was fake though, those are still my favorite Sonic games.
The trilogy should be remade. Yes, I'm talking about Sonic 06 lol
Every fan, including me, shut up and take my money! SEGA!
So great to be reminded how ancient I am when you say 30 years later. LoL I remember getting the first Sonic game for Christmas.
How am I a Sonic fan and never realised there was Michael Jackson music in it…. I guess most music from games I just forget lol.
A tip for fans, despite the add, there are no "new" characters, the only thing that hasnt been released in a port was Knuckles in Sonic 1. Which im sure none of us really count as a new character.
They need to remake Sonic Rush, Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic Chronicles, Sonic Rivals, and Sonic Rivals 2
1. none of those games you listed were on any gameboy
2. Sonic Chronicles wouldn’t really work as a remake as it overall is just kinda bad, even if it was remade the flaws of the game would mostly likely remain
@@blueghost312 lol
Sonic Rivals 1&2 has not aged well...
Most of those games were made by DIMPS which is a third party studio that SEGA outsources the handheld games to.
@@blueghost312 what if we add Sonic advance trilogy and Sonic Battle to the list as well? I would love all these portable titles to be remade or at least ported honestly.
I luv the Blue Sphere Special Stages!! That was my jam back in the day, lol. :D
Same. And it’s great practice for getting the emeralds in the actual game
I grew up playing every single Sonic in this collection on the Genesis & Sega CD console. These games made me want keep trying until I beat the level… regardless of how many tries it took or how late it got. Such an addicting yet simple premise. The classic games rule!
I have always had a fear that some of my favourite games would disappear after the hardware died. I know there's been a lot of remakes and remasters, but I hope there's more. Unpopular opinion I'm sure, yes I like a new game as much as the next guy but who honestly still has faith in any studio at this point. At least these games are good
There is nothing inherently wrong with remakes and remasters. It's just when they either get the rush treatment, or are released 2 years after the original game (Last of Us) where it's annoying.
Classic 16 bit given some love is never a bad thing, though, I've repurchased these games several times and it's hard to swallow the price point, it's clear that a lot of love was put into this game. I do have the retro engine versions of Sonic 1 and 2 and they were free with ads, or ad-free for something like 3$ each, which is why this price is hard to swallow.
I would love some Gamecube games getting this treatment though.
@@SuperballsSupervidsOnYT You are right in that regard, even Witcher 3 falls under that category imo. I would rather they put all that work in the new Witcher game instead of playing it safe. I'm primarily focusing on games where the hardware is ancient. There still so many gems buried.
Yes I'd rather play 16 bit sonic games than modern ones
I thought I would have to buy a ps2 or Nintendo game cube for this game scooby doo 100 nights of frights but I found “dolphin emulator” and Vladimir’s lair full of eso files resdy to download and most would launch without any unpacking. You can play almost any game with emulation if it’s defunked
@S292 I'm fine with it, either they are wanted and sell or they aren't.
Oh man, Ice Cap Zone was my jam... :(
It's my favorite song Sonic from Sonic 3&k honestly and the lunch base was my 2nd favorite. At least my 3rd favorite song, Hydro City is intact.
I wish they made these games hand drawn cartoons like the cut scene intro ..
Same! This art style looks really good!
Cool, I like that Map layout of each game, really makes me wonder if Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Spinball, and Knuckles Chaotix will become part of the map in a DLC. My only complaint is the left-out original Sonic 3 and Knuckles music. That MJ and others he worked with on those games. I ❤ this video!
Hopefully those songs can be patched in. It looks like they didn't mess with the audio too much, so even looping recordings might be good enough.
MEAN.
BEAN.
MACHINE.
This has a "it didn't sell well so it's coming to gamepass in 6 months" look to it. And I'll play it when it does.
This comment has a “I want this game but I’m broke” look to it.
@@falsetheory5818 you're not wrong. We're currently in a recession most of are broke. If that was meant to be a diss, I'm sorry to disappoint you.
This game should of already been on gamepass.
I'm going to play it on Yuzu emulator because 50 bucks is too much for games I could have bought for 5 dollars a year ago.
@@R.B.90 gigachad response moment.
What a great well rounded review, I pretty much agree on all your points. I still pre-ordered it before release because I'm a huge genesis sonic fan.
if this was redone in the cover art style i would’ve bought it in a heart beat
Having blue spheres accessible separately is probably pretty awesome for things like the speedrunning community, completionists, challenges, etc.
I love seeing how much the games were both improved and kept true to the original sources. I know the devs spoke out recently that SEGA had basically fucked with what they gave them, hadn't looked into exactly what. But I'm hoping it doesn't ruin what looks to be an overall amazing experience for the classics on top of what Mania did for the classic series.
The whole of England is really just two men in a large costume
Us 90s kids are having a great time at the moment! Bring on more 16-bit goodness!
Did you check out the new TMNT? It’s phenomenal!
I got the game earlier in the day and did a few missions and also beat Sonic 1 and half of Sonic CD and in my experience the Sonic Origina is a great game, maybe a bit overpriced but I played Sonic 1 like 6 years ago and the Origina remake seems much much more smooth and the Drop Dash being added in makes moving around quicker and more fun, 100% would recommend if you don’t mind spending quite a bit of cash
8:17 Even with some of the bugs probably squashed in future patches, I still can't give this game a full score due to some missing Genesis tracks in Sonic 3 (the new (old) tracks feel like placeholders and sound too Game Gear-ish for my taste) and even more baffling is the fact that the MJ composers are still listed in the end credits despite the former. (Here's the silver lining though: the original JP opening track for Sonic CD called You Can Do Anything, which is missing the vocal in the 2011 version due to music licensing issues at the time, has been fully restored in Sonic Origins!)
I love all of the games included and widescreen for Sonic 3 is dope but 40 bucks seems just a bit much.
Had no idea this was coming out already! Seems like it will be a good purchase on BF when it’s $14.99
BF?
@@TheAngryKilt Black Friday
The should do like a multiplayer mode where you race to the finish… have like different color’s of sonic or something that would be kinda fun if they ever did that
You've basically just described Sonic 2's multiplayer. Although a full stage where you race knuckles vs tails vs sonic would be nice. It can be pretty challenging to play split screen on these games though.
Ima wait and get it when it's on sale. Thanks for the review 👍🏽
I love the classic sonic games and would love to check out CD, the animation in that was amazing. I remember playing sonic and knuckles as a kid and loving the idea of the stackable cartridges
We need a remaster of Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2. Better graphics and better camera is all we need.
I was so excited at the idea of getting sonic 3 & knuckles - my favourite game growing up, so I preordered as it said all the classic music would be included… then I found out my fav levels (carinival, ice cap and launch base) had some random trash music in it… :-( never felt depressed playing a sonic game until today, the music is essential for me anyway - wishing I didn’t order it now.
I gotta say what I love the most is the animated cutscenes/ shorts in this.
I wish they'd make Sonic Adventure and SA2 for the newer consoles.
Also as a faithful SEGA fan I will rebuy these games every 5-8 years as new consoles come out. Most of us have like 5 copies of Resident Evil and those remakes cost just as much.
You have no idea how long we've been waiting for Sonic 3 to be available on a console or handheld device.
I was lucky and back when the Galaxy phone first came out I was able to download a version of Sonic 3 from the Android Market (I feel so old now). I ran out of space and had to delete it and the app was no longer available.
I was really mad at myself however this game hasn't been available on a console since PlayStation 2 that's definitely worth $40 in my book.
I'm glad to have Sonic 3 but I wish they kept the normal lives system and didn't add spindash and other things. I liked that Sonic The Hedgehog was hard because you couldn't spin the same way you can in Sonic 2. And I like the challenge of not having a save system it builds character lol. You learn how to be a better gamer.
Nothing is worse than messing up a jewel game with no more games left and knowing you'll have to play it all over again if you want the proper ending 😂
Don't get me wrong I love having the save system at the same time it's a love-hate relationship it's definitely cheating 😂
Its sad to see that they had to change the music.
Looks like I'll still be using my Sonic Mega Collection on my Play Station 2 😭
Also I did want to play Bluespheres 😅 so I'm happy they added it
I'm so hyped to get my hands on this! Thanks for y'all time reviewing this! Love y'all work!
Thank you for the Playlist. At least I have lessons being learned in order. Focus guaranteed. Thankyou. Great work Sir. Michael.
Duuude XD The tbags at 6:20 is literally me everytime I gotta stay still or wait 😂
Between this and Mania, you should be all set...
Honestly, if they put in some patches to smooth out the edges, this’ll prove itself as the definitive way to play these games if they aren’t already considered so by some.
looking forward to picking this up sometime soon!
Sonic mega collection was honestly the goat of these collections
True
A great collection! It also had comic book covers you could look at, a full comic book issue you could read, the ability to play these games both separately and with the lock on and it had more games overall. It also had a pc version as well so I believe that Sega should've just released that one on Steam and other platforms. Sonic origins is a good collection as well but it doesn't come close to mega collection in my opinion.
This came just in time as I finally got my old CRT working with my PC. Gonna try out 4:3 Classic mode for sure. Can't believe they even included _all_ of the Sonic&Knuckles cart bonuses.
Why would you even want to do that
Some people actually prefer scan lines which I don't understand
@@andy23r that doesn’t answer my question.
@@llab3903 yeah...it does tho. You asked "why?" RE: playing on a CRT, and andy23r answered. Scanlines. I would also add zero lag, but scanlines are the big draw IMO
@@llab3903 I do it for the pixel response time, black levels, and to properly view art that was meant to be viewed blended on a CRT display. There are some things we gave up for the convenience of LCD that CRT was and still is better at doing.
This was a great summary, thank you! I remember playing these games on Genesis way back in the day. Love the "no lives" feature, maybe now I can actually beat them :) Added to my wish list to grab once it goes on sale.
Jeff what’s up man?
I never got the idea that games needed save states... there are no lives and these games aren't grueling in any way... the hardest thing about this are the special stages and you can retry em with coins scattered all over the world. I might get this once it reaches the 30 mark. love the care and heart they put into the animations! wish we had super peel out, I know spin dash is the same and even better but I loved how that thing looked.
Sonic Mania: give me your money so that you can reexperience your nostalgic childhood and listen to some amazing tunes and have fun with new great features
Sonic origins: give me your money
I remember when I was a kid and "experimenting" with sonic 2 on the sonic & knuckles cartridge.
...blew my mind! Lol
Oh man that time travel music hit my nostalgia button HARD. And that's with me thinking Sonic 3 & Knuckles is still the best Sonic game ever. I spent a lot of time enjoying Sonic CD and getting all the good futures :)
They also made the knuckles boss fight in sonic 3 and knuckles more challenging which I really appreciate
As long as they've ironed out the lag in 2P Mystic Cave levels. My favourite of the 2P Zones but the lag would make it a bit tedious!
The loss of the Ice Cap Zone OST does more than sting. It straight hurts me. As a kid, I would have atleast two saves on Sonic 3 and one of them would be left on Ice Cap Zone just so I could go back and listen to it as this was the days before internet and youtube
"...You could really benefit from save states, these types of things that are *common* in other collections ... *It's an option that hopefully they'll patch in later.*" Liked & subbed for your courage. There's a curiously passionate minority surrounding past Retro Engine titles in defense of save-anywhere prohibition. If there's a rational explanation like manual saves bricking the cross game merit tracking, I would believe it... if the news comes from the developers.
I believe the reason for this is because these games are not being emulated
@@DStea1th_ Not for Jedi Knight, KotOR, Fallout and countless other series. Eidetic saving certainly doesn't need emulation.
Falcon you don't know how happy it made me when you spoke about the sonic 3 music and Micheal Jackson! I've always known he was a silent contributer, but they never credited him, this pretty much confirmed it! You can tell also by how amazing the soundtrack was! Anyway thanks again! Donté out
This was super thorough! I was thinking of buying it, but after watching this, I'm definitely going to wait for a discount.
The Ice Cap Zone OST is probably the best song in the original Sonic 3 game. I even avoid going into Super Sonic on that level just so I can enjoy the entire track the whole time I'm playing the stage. Sucks that they can't get the rights to it. Oh well, it is what it is.
I'm enjoying Origins so far, S3&K has always been my absolute favourite Sonic game, and only Mania cast any doubt in my mind about that. There are some shortfalls though. I'd really hoped there might have been some of the 8-bit games hidden in there, perhaps unlockable through game progress or something. Also a major oversight is not having the ability to choose your music on Sonic CD, especially when even the PS3 port had this option. The American music is interesting and a bit different, but the European/Japanese soundtrack is still infinitely superior.
You actually can change the soundtrack but is only acessible in anniversary mode
Even to mania 3 and knuckles is my favorite like each mission flows something other games dont
Th mission mode is the best part of this collection. It reminds me of NES Remix.
I was really mad about the lives thing, but that mania drop dash is really just reason enough for me to buy this and I had no idea that it was in the collection!
No CRT filters? Really?
The CRT filter from Mania is amazing!
Also, Sonic 1 really needs to have dithering to make the waterfall work properly, have anyone checked how that looks on Origins yet?
>before you buy
>been out for weeks
4:30 is there a PAL Mode for 50hz gameplay? Cos the physics between PAL and NTSC versions are different since the physics of the originals were tied to framerate (NostalgiaNerd made a good explainer video on this).
So if there are only 60FPS option, that may feel like the originals for those who grew up with NTSC but not PAL 50Hz version.
You didn’t mention the greatest patch they added to Sonic 3: The new animations for the CNZ barrels let you know if it goes up and down or not
5:51 hey, "Blue Spheres Guy" would absolutely love this feature
I'm a huge Sonic fan and I must say... Flacon, you get me man. Anytime I see a before you buy pop up for a Sonic game I watch it as soon as I possibly can because I know a fellow Sonic nerd is about to break it down for me. If I happen to watch one of these after I buy a game I just nod along in agreement throughout the entire video.
I really wish they'd unlock the frame rate for these ports and Sonic mania. On PC I dream to play 2D Sonic at 120+ FPS.
I want the lives. I really like accumulating 30 or 40 lives before finishing the game and just looking at them on the Sonic 3k save file screen.
good review
Big respect from the UK 🇬🇧
Bought the game this morning but still had to tune in
Sounds like an editor missed some audio clips at 12:50?
I love this collections because they’re not emulated. Built from the ground up on the retro engine
Thanks for this! I was gonna get it for my kids, but then one of them asked for Sonic Mania last month, so maybe I'll hold off on Origins for the time being since those OG games are already on Android
S3&K is not (unless you want to emulate it)
@@josephwilson3180 Sonic 3 AIR can be played on mobile
@@mysterionplays1621 True
May I ask but does sonic origins have a solid version in the shaope of a disc?
I miss my sonic and knuckles cartridge, I still remember figuring out you can play as knuckles on sonic 2 if you put sonic 2 in sonic and knuckles, if you put sonic 1 in you got a shit tonne of the bonus chaos levels where you gotta collect the blue orbs, kids today don't even knoooow
I'm a huge sonic fan and will definitely be adding this collection to my list of games. Sonic Mania was great but my wish finally came true since I wanted all origin games in one game. I'm not waiting for a sale either!
we can complain about the price, but these were rebuilt in great detail. The price makes more sense than it just being slapped in an emulator or barely did anything new to the game. There's a lot here that adds to the value. Especially the animated shorts that are phenomenal.
COMPLETELY agree about the drop dash. So fucking perfect.
I’m glad we have another way for newer fans to enjoy these classic games, however for older fans like me, I’d probably wait for a sale cause I had to pay $65 aud for this collection, which is a bit too much imo. Still, this is a decent collection, not nearly as bad as some people have been saying. And origins has fulfilled my desire to finally have an official portable version of sonic 3&k (rip the Michael Jackson tracks tho)
Now only if SEGA can let Christian Whitehead make Sonic Mania 2.
Also I hated sonic CD and I played the Christian Whitehead version.
Hopefully somebody will mod the game to add back in the Sonic 3 Music.
yes for sonic mania 2
Wow what a in-depth view by a Sonic Expert!
Very informative, was wondering if I should also jump on this, with Fire Emblem Three Hopes releasing today. Might wait a bit for a discount, I can probably go back to the Sonic Classic Collection on the DS if I really want to experience these games (excepto CD) in the meantime
It bums me out that they didn’t try to get the rights to those tracks. But I will be getting this for the story mode.
The widescreen is worth it.
I love sonic so much and being reviewed by you guys is even better, y'all are most honest reviews I can trust as a duck 🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆.
I'll wait on a discount. I have Mega Collection on Gamecube, Ultimate Genesis Collection on 360 and I also have each one released individually on XBLA. Plus, I absolutely hate that they changed the best music in Sonic 3 back to remastered prototype music.
Welcome back Frank!
I need a Mario release similar to this.
Nah, the old Mario games suck. The 2-D ones they did on Wii and Wii U were great though.
@@SeanUCF can we get all those releases for Xbox and ps. I love the old ones.
they seem to not want to make a good sonic game anymore
Because the sonic team ran to Mario team because of poor treatment 🤣😭😭
Mania was good, thats about it
How? What's the context?
@@isotonicshade and that wasn't even made by sonic team, that was made by fans.
@@CRAgamer *fans already employed by indie studios,* still pathetic for Sonic Team to have to their big triple A sonic games be upstaged by a few indie studios on their first try.
Nothing caused more anxiety as a kid then getting stuck underwater…then the panic sets in
How did you get the effects chain on the left side of the setuper?
Can I play on mobile though?
You are back
@@kingshadow8782 I never left. UA-cam has been delaying my notifications.
@@kingshadow8782 missed you too though.
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I just bought it… I wish I saw this 30 seconds earlier lol
Yo, don't forget, Super Sonic in Sonic 1. That's a game changer right there. But, only if you enter max emeralds/all emeralds cheat on soundtest/level select. Same deal with super peel out in Sonic 3.
I loved sonic and knuckles so friggin much
This "game" is a lame cashgrab
The best way to play Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the ROM hack called Sonic 3 Complete. Facts: Mushroom Hill's actual name is "Mushroom Valley". Ever wondered where that snowboard came from in Sonic 3 & Knuckles/Sonic 3 Complete? The snowboard is actually the Flying Battery door and Sonic uses it as a snowboard. The correct level order is: Angel Island, Hydrocity (Pronounced: Hydro-City), Marble Garden, Carnival Night, Flying Battery (At night), Ice Cap, Launch Base, Mushroom Valley, Sandopolis, Lava Reef, Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary, Death Egg and Doomsday. The PC versions of the Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base's background music are based on prototype versions of Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base's prototype background music. In the Sonic 3 & Knuckles ROM hack called Sonic 3 Complete, Knuckles faces off against EggRobo instead of Dr. Eggman in Flying Battery, part 2 where EggRobo uses Eggman's flamethrower machine against Knuckles. In Sonic 3 Complete, you can perform Super/Hyper Cancel so you can save ring power. In Sonic 3 Complete, Tails is playable in the Blue Sphere special stages from the game Blue Sphere, which was Sonic 1 connected to the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge. In Sonic 3 Complete, Sonic, Super Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Super Knuckles, Hyper Knuckles and Super Tails are fully animated. In Sonic 3 Complete, you can play the unused Super/Hyper tune. In Sonic 3 Complete you can play the original level order from the prototype version of Sonic 3 (Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden, Carnival Night, Flying Battery (At night), Ice Cap, Launch Base, Mushroom Valley, Sandopolis, Lava Reef, Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary, Death Egg and Doomsday), which is canon or you can play the non-canon level order (Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden, Carnival Night, Ice Cap, Launch Base, Mushroom Hill, Flying Battery, Sandopolis, Lava Reef, Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary, Death Egg and Doomsday). Knuckles' story mode comes after Sonic and Tails' story modes. In Sonic 3 Complete, you can change the background music for the Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base levels. The prototype versions of Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base's background music came first. In Sonic 3 Complete, you can play the prototype version of the Sonic 3 ending music instead of Michael Jackson's version, which is based off of his song "Stranger In Moscow". The PC version of Sonic 3's ending music is based on the prototype version. In Sonic 3 Complete, Sonic's name on the Tornado (Sonic's airplane) is not backwards in the end credits while the Tornado is facing left and not right. And in Sonic 3 Complete, Super Tails' Super Flickies are fully animated. And by the way, Michael Jackson was innocent. He was acquitted in court for his so-called allegations. And Jackson DID compose music for the Carnival Night and Launch Base levels. Plus, the reworked Ice Cap tune is based off of an old '80's song called "Hard Times" by an old '80's band called The Jetzons (Not to be confused with The Jetsons from Hanna-Barbera).
Awesome review
Exactly, gonna wait for it to be on discount
Release it in physical on the Switch as it happened with Sonic Mania and Mania Plus and I will buy it day one.
Having the main line games all in the same system is my wet dream, including art and sound tracks as also ads. Before the best doing what was the Sonic Jam on the Sega Saturn in my opinion. I don't know if the releases of Sonic classics on the Gamecube were the same quality, since I didn't owned a Gamecube until 2017.