Hades Canyon NUC Disassembly and Blowers-Cooling Solution
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- A detailed disassembly of the Hades Canyon NUC by Simply NUC. We take a look at all components inside including a look at the bottom of the board and taking apart the cooling system.
Thank you for the video! This saved me a ton of time and took away the stress of accidently breaking something.
Many thanks for the video! I realize there is no need at all to disassemble the unit in order to clean it, by the way I did not have a can of compressed air available so I actually user a leaf blower from a reasonable distance. Now it runs much much cooler and quieter :)
I have successfully disassemble my nuc by this video, however I what to give some opinion on the process:
1. I do suggest disassemble the mother board and the heat sink when you try to remove the board from the case, I remove the remove the board with the heat sink on board and it was very painful, some of the heat sink damaged in the process, remove the heat sink will make the process easier.
2. I usually disconnect the cable of RGB case light by the front penal side.
This video really help me to disassemble my nuc for cleaning, thank you very much.
How to remove the heatsink?
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus The four screws the video guy says to not remove - remove them, and it disengages the motherboard from the heat sink.
IF you do that, be sure to have new good quality thermal past handy - you will need to clean the old thermal paste from the heat sink and CPU /GPU chips, and re-apply it before you put it back together. Other people have made videos on how to do that
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Great video, super easy to follow. I had to disassemble my NUC and give it a proper cleaning, something I might have neglected over the years. At some point, compressed air alone just doesn't cut through the thick layers of dust.
This teardown was critical to getting to my fans and heatsink, so thanks. I came here to say that no amount of vaccuum or compressed air was getting the dust cake out of a certain part of the heatsink that didn't line up perfectly with the fans, and that cake of dust was causing my PC to overheat during games, and the fan to run at all times. It's silent and no longer crashes in games, since I was able to access that dense, felted dust. Four years of cleaning from the vent holes had allowed it to accumulate.
This is still helping me do an annual cleaning.
I would disagree on one point. If your fans get clogged you will need to disassemble in order to clear the clog. Other than that the video is spot on and very easy to follow. I just cleaned mine out (the fans were clogged up completely and my temps went down from 95C+ to 73c
Thanks for the video, it was very useful.
I took my Hades Canyon apart today after a year's use for cleaning.
My chassis seems to differ slightly, there is a metal L-tab over the top of the HDMI connector (I can't spot it in your video) which made removing the motherboard difficult. Maybe I didn't hit on the correct technique, but it was so difficult I decided to remove the 4 screws and brace so that I could remove the motherboard without also removing the heatsink. This meant I did not have to lift it straight up and could slip it out at an angle.
Of course this meant I had to re-apply thermal paste afterwards (I used Arctic MX-4). My core temps writing this with a browser open are 50C (room temp 25C), idle temp is around 40C.
Yes, the production metal made it even harder to do this method.
Thank you for the vid, it's very helpful
I wish intel could make a hardware change on their next gen that users can open the cooler side separately. it's already making people pop open the box for ram/storage installations why make it hard for a-more-detailed cleaning.
Just build a sandwich box as it supposed to be.
Hi Excellent video would it be possible a video how to replace internal antenna my aux is broken thanks
I just about fell off my chair watching you tear this down, you should invest in some shunts for laptops and screen repair that are designed for this exact type of tear down between cases and boards.
Still not able remove main board as the vedio did at 7:21, but use an air blower to clean the dust of my NUC makes it cooler and quieter.
Hope they will make this collaboration again
Thank you sir. Great video :)
Thank you, helpful.
First I want to say that this isn't the final video I had intended and is much longer than needed as I had intended another 3 minutes cut from this before released. So I apologize for the lenth of it.
Charles Abdouch I personally really appreciate that it is long and in depth. The pre-order was relatively expensive so I want to know all about it!
The slipping release date is worrisome.
thanks very much for this video
9:18 isnt it hbm2 memory instead of gddr5?
Howdy NoulC, Yes that is what it is, but most people don't know what High-Bandwidth Memory is. For those that don't know, the DRAM DIEs are stacked and have an ultra-wide interface to the controller. Typically for HBM2, it is a 1024-bit wide connection that runs at 2 GT/s. The memory is also "tightly-coupled" meaning that it physically sits a very short distance to the GPU so that the "flight time" of the signals is reduced and synchronization can be easier. At these extreme speeds, the length of the copper runs between the GPU and Memory and can cause delays. By doing a tightly-coupled design, the flight times are reduced and the bandwidth increases. By routing the signals on an interposer or carrier, you can also guarantee signal integrity and make sure to get the highest bandwidth possible since you don't have to worry about the motherboard design or signals on other layers affecting the signal integrity.
Very impressive but... this thing is huge compared to the Skull Canyon. I wonder if they'll consider a reduced size model?
It's nice piece of hardware, but tell me, how looks a power supply? I suppose is solid body which can't be dissembled for repairs.
Does anyone know where to buy the LED cable?
How to remove cmos battery?
Two blowers - hope they do better job at cooling. Skull Canyon is quite noisy. The fan kicks in quite often and very loud. I hate it to be honest.
this is good if you travel a lot and need a powerful PC with you.
James Huffmar yeah its called get a laptop
you could actually make a switch type pc for travel with those parts. just add a battery, a screen and joy-cons or even a normal controller and you would have a windows gaming devise to use during flights
@Reaver volfeed 😂 this device is not flying anywhere anytime soon. That’s for sure. Battery 🔋 for this is would need to be twice as this device to sub stain the same hours if not less than the switch has. Just get much less powerful GPD win it’s more realistic than this i7+RX VEGA graphic combo on battery.
@@hairypancake4425 i thought about that but the formfactor of the gpd puts me off a bit. the alienware ufo would be more in line with something you could and would use during a flight
@Reaver volfeed just simply get the SWITCH I have both this device and switch. This device definitely needs better airflow.
The video on this page explains it well. simplynuc.com/hades-canyon/
Haven't been able to find a set of these blowers anywhere. Do you know of a good replacement?
if i take it off can i use some Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on it?
How distance is the mounting hole?
Nice to see that fan.
Hi, thanks for the video, do you think it's feasible replacing the thermal with some liquid metal ? I did that with my Skull Canyon and won 10°c.
I Wonder if it's interesting as well with this new model. Thanks, keep up the good work
What is the direction of airflow on the bottom, is it pulling air in from the bottom or pushing air out the bottom. Thanks
Bill
It pulls from the sides and bottom and blows it out the back
It’s perfectly fine to remove the heat sink from the processor. The original thermal paste is probably dried up anyway, but the original thermal paste used was poor quality, I replaced it and dropped 15c off my CPU temps. There is some thermal paste and some thermal pads, nothing like the nonsense he says. It’s perfectly safe if you know what you’re doing.
that board is thin enough that i think you could easily make a handheld device from it that would absolutely smash the nintendo switch.
it needs 100 watt adapter
Nope you can make an laptop that uses wall power :)
Hahahahahaahhaha how are you going to cool that?
Hi, thanks for showing this. When is this coming out?
John Dela Guardia google would tell you
I know but I want to find out from the reseller because the release date keeps changing, if you ask google. Was supposed to be March, now it’s April.
Howdy John, I was at Intel last week for several meetings discussing both current projects we're working with Intel on and future NUC products. The date was discussed but unfortunately, our expectations were set for late April now. We will continue to update the Pre-Order page with the latest information. I did not ask why it was delayed but will. Because of our relationship, sometimes I am given confidential information and we're careful not to release it. Obviously it doesn't matter what the reason is, we're all just really anxious to start getting them in the field. With that said, most of the initial 200 piece First Production Build are over half sold.
We are being told our first production order should arrive around the end of April. Hopefully sooner.
Simply NUC thank you for your prompt response. I appreciate it. Looking forward to this! Have a good mate.
You should definitely unscrew the four screws holding the motherboard to the heat sink, and change the thermal paste. That also lets you remove the motherboard by sliding it backwards and out, not just lifting it straight up - which wasn't possible in my Hades Canyon because of metal tabs that don't seem to be in this guy's machine.
All that "don't open it, it's engeneered to be permanet" is BS. The original thermal paste was poor quality - I opened my machine after 5 years, and the paste had turned hard and chalky, which was contributing to it overheating. I replaced it with good quality paste that should last a lot longer.
I also had a felt-like buildup on the output grid which was preventing the fans from cooling properly - that was what I was expecting, and it's a lot cooler now that the fans are running properly.
Yes, do regular maintenance every two or three months if you have pets or cloth near your NUC. Especially blow compressed air into the back of the machine - that, I have realized, will prevent that buildup of fibers that block the opening. Once that felt-like pad formed, blowing into it didn't get rid of it, it was too dense.
Here's how to replace the thermal paste:
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You forgot a screw before removing the plate :( super confusing man
Please I would like to know if I can stream with WIRECAST
Can you not use a powerful Hoover to suck the dust out.?
A vacuum cleaner is readily available, a can of compressed air isn't. So I will go with the VC.
You could just add a magnetic dust cover on the botton vents and done.
..but that would only catch the magnetic dust! 😉
Will the hot air blowing from the back toast the cables?
I will try and measure air temps during AAA Game Testing to see. With this much air volume, I wouldn't expect it to be hotter than the Skull Canyon
No, that is the same design of all past NUCs and we have never seen that problem arise.
Temps under heavy loads got to around 105f to 108f max, but that was also with lots of airflow.
Simply NUC Thanks. Just curious because this one is way more powerful than previous models
Charles Abdouch Thanks
So can you put that blower in the skull canyon machine?
No the Hades Canyon Blowers are not compatible with the Skull Canyon.
wich ram do you have?
Will it still fire up and work if you leave the microphone array cable unplugged?
The Quad "Far-Field" microphones are not needed but will enable the Hades Canyon for features similar to Alexi from Amazon. Expect this capability this year.
Yes. The microphones are not needed for the system to function.
My nuc8i7hnk1 will not power up. Any ideas why?
@@nicotoscani1707 mine reads 19.59v steady though
Is the green square chip left to the 960 NVME SSD the wifi/bluetooth card? Is it removable?
Yes and yes. ;-)
Simply NUC wow that is good to hear. By swapping it with a Broadcom card, this build will be ideal to Hackintosh. Thanks for the response and video. This is literally the only disassembly guide of Haded Canyon I can find on the web right now and it answers a lot of my questions. Great work!
Thanks!
What's the max temperature when rendering video editing on this Machine? Say 1080 60 fps or even 4k?
thanks.
1) will I be able to hear the fan on idle? the pc will be sitting a foot from me.
2) is there a way to disable the fan on idle?
You can go into BIOS settings and set for "Quiet" which spins the fans up later and not as much which means the processor runs hotter, or "cool" which spins the fans up sooner to keep the proc cooler. I will be attempting to capture the fan noise during my next video.
The fans spin very slowly at idle and are not noticeable at all. I don't believe there is any way to disable them. Some airflow is needed to protect the system
Our video editor is working on a blower sound level video now, but at idle you cannot hear the blowers as they spin down to 500-700rpms.
One note is that all of this depends on how cool the room the computer is operating in is. If the room if 85f then the blowers will always be spun up a little more. I turned off the AC for the video I shot since it is louder than the Hades Canyon in all but the highest 2 speeds. Room temp was around 74f and got to around 76f by the end of the video.
The blowers run around 500-700 RPM when sitting at windows or running light applications. I began running a graphics benchmark program which is intensive in nature and the blower spun up to a level I could hear them from 1' away. Note that in the video that is coming, the camera and mic are 1' away from the exhaust of the Hades Canyon.
Then blowers spun up to a louder level and eventually to a much higher level, which could be heard regardless of which direction the exhaust of the Hades Canyon was facing.
Due to the high amount of cooling there is at this blower speed level, it over-cooled the GPU and spun back down to a level above the idle, which the blowers are barely heard. Then later they spun back up 2 more steps. Occasionally it would spin up to its highest levels, but only for around 20 seconds and then would spin back down to the second from lowest.
Overall, I would guess that the blowers have 4 or maybe 5 steps.
Step 1 = Really low and undetectable even in a quiet room
Step 2 = Low and mostly quiet, but easily detected in a totally quiet room, but not detectable with other sounds going on (A/C, talking, music, etc)
Step 3 = Easily heard, but still comfortable level. Still quieter than our A/C system, but perhaps not others.
Step 4 = Pretty loud, similar to a desktop system or laptop running at its highest speed, but with a lower tone due to the larger blowers.
Step 5 (if present) = Probably louder than you want it and can be easily heard
Even under continuous high loads, Step 4 and 5 are only going for around 20 seconds with the system stepping down to Step 2 for 40 seconds and then stepping back up. Every time the unit got to the highest or next to highest levels, it didn't last long and always stepped back down to Step 2, even though the system was still operating at a saturated load.
Thank you for your detailed response. When will your video be out?
I didn't get why shouldn't I take off radiator from the processor. I will definetely want to change termal compound on cpu and gpu to liquid metal when I get mine. The obvious reason that is serial paste is bad and intel is famous on adding even worse termal compound in their processors.
That is definitely an option. You would just want to be aware that it would void the Intel warranty.
Most likely they are using Thermal Gap Pads for most of the parts and DIEs. There may be a single DIE using paste.
I am pretty sure gpu and cpu are covered by thermal paste. These are the only parts that need thermal compund change. And still I dont get why shouldn't I take off the radiator, thermal pads wount brake if I do that.
Can I slot that into a GameCube shell or nah?
Not without some good mods
Not what I would call easily accessible. Also the response in regards to reapplying thermal past is "warranty" I'm already in that boat with my laptop why would I want to prolong my suffering?? I'm going to go with a normal serviceable computer
proper size!
What if i want to put some liquid metal thermal grease on it?
Is the 100W TDP included CPU and GPU or CPU only?
That is CPU and GPU together since they are on the same package.
you are adding power to the mobo by letting the fans spin
You could make a laptop out of this but you need a case to put and transform to laptop also a monitor
No, just velcro a mini keyboard atop it and carry a portable screen.
Geez guess there is no chance of upgrading the CPU on this thing
where is the GPU at?
It is built onto the same package as the processor.
@@simplynuc thanks a lot ^^
I feel dumb to keep my skull canyon when I see the fans comparison lol.
Skull Canyon is still a good serious high-end business machine and graphics station. I plan on upgrading from my Skull Canyon to this, mainly to run more screens
Is the Skull Canyon loud? I'm planning on using this for audio so.. There is a replacement case with heat sinks all over it, but a Reddit user who got it had some issues with it..
I'm planning on using one of these for a mobile sound studio and need it to be quiet like a church mouse.
Under heavy loads the single blower on the Skull Canyon can easily be heard.
Charles Abdouch I'm wondering how much quieter the Hades will be... I need noctua quiet.. for audio work.
The Hades is much quieter. Running an AAA game on it did not heat it as much as the Benchmark did. Under normal use, the blowers are both running around 700 RPM, which was low enough to have difficulty telling they were running.
Most applications other than heavy graphics work should not heat the system up enough for it to have to work hard to cool down.
I have another video going up of the blowers running with the mic 1' from the output of the blowers. To get them to run hard, I had to run a Graphics Benchmark program for quite awhile.
thanks for sharing. this doesnt look fun.
Yeah, lets blow all that dust back into the unit...
exactly! what a dumb video
@R Hebner Good as long as you dont use a vacuum directly on the motherboard
If they can fit the RTX 3000 series in these hades canyon sizes they'll be flying
h1 cases were the right size unless its a server. Its nice having an extra slut i mean slot for pci express but I could just take it in or send it away after a few years..its like cell phones, there gonna be smaller not under a 100lbs.
im gonna break something disassembling that.
add a little height and put 120mm fans in that those blowers look noisy.
these motherboards gotta have a protective sheathing like a solid state with plugin areas..this current stuff just looks like a shit show.
ghost canyon kinda had it but you have to take that fan and plastic off to get access to stuff..ugh its gonna break.
does it play pubg?
Yes. Quite well.
Leaves important details unmentioned. 👎👎👎
Which details J C? This is a video from early 2018. Please let us know if you have any questions.
Don't use can air. There moisture in the can
Lmao have you ever used a air can
Kyle ._. yes. I work in a PCB factory we have the stuff
Abe Coulter then you should know the moisture is very unlikely to come out unless the can is empty
Thats why you gotta wait for PC to cool down before doing this stuff. Also don't hold the can upside down else you will freeze the area lol