How FAST is Ricciardo compared to Tsunoda? | 3D Analysis
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- We analyze the key factors that made the difference between Daniel Ricciardo and Yuki Tsunoda at Hungary Q1.
Using advanced 3D lap comparison, we uncover the intricacies of their performances on this circuit.
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Please do the McLaren F1 23 car vs the McLaren F1 22 car.
Williams 2022 vs 2023 at Silverstone and Monza ?
And also Aston Martin 22 vs 23 at Bahrain (and possibly also Jeddah?)
We have the Aston Martin 2022 vs 2023 on the channel :)
more comparisons over the years pls. I would love to see the development of the ground effect era :)
Both of them are pushing the car to the maximum, just shows really how slow the car is compared to the rest of the field - it being last. Both Danny and Yuki are good drivers, its just a shame they have a car that is no where near competitive.
They are good drivers but they are nothing special compared to the majority of today's F1 grid.
I'd prefer either of them to Stroll, Seargant or Magnussen, but thats about it.
@@ElementsMMA and Ocon... guy doesn't know he's not supposed to race against the leader when he's a lap down.
Apparently next year AlphaTauri is gonna run under a different name (Plz toro rosso) and take as many parts from red bull as legally possible, since the last couple of years they’ve been trying to have less of a reliance on RBR, but that obviously hasn’t worked the way they wanted it to. So hopefully 2024 Yuki and Daniel have a car that is competitive in the midfield, like what we saw in 2021.
@@ElementsMMAWere you watching F1 when Ricciardo was first at Red Bull?
@@discbrakefan or even his second season with Renault man was flying in that dump truck
Alot of people are concentrating on Danny and saying he can go faster. But Yuki can learn alot from analysing Danny's style in the Alpha and also go faster.
dumb take.
Very good point. DR always has been ace on brakes abs this shows.
@gaycha6589 ...and this shows??? What about turn 1, the biggest braking point on this track? Comment doesn't quite ring true based on analysis presented here.
@@black7rc720 I believe he said ACE on brakes, not EARLY on brake like Yuki did for that corner..
You can't be late on the brake every corner if you want your tyres to last more than a few laps..
agree and agree
Yuki's gonna have to break some sweat in this second half of the season.
Hope they push each other since both are great ate this point
Ricciardo is going to expose Tsunoda's weaknesses, mainly his long corners.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 It seems like Yuki prefers understeer with a stable rear end, whilst Daniel wants the car to turn well, preferring the opposite. Their differences I believe will all come down to which track they find themselves on, with Yuki having the advantage in Spa imo.
@@TomislavPuklin-x5m
Absolutely not, i actually think Ricciardo is going to crush Yuki in Spa, which is a track that rewards driver with excellent weight transfer management and soft inputs.
@@TomislavPuklin-x5mhmm driver who prefers oversteer, and another who prefers understeer? That reminds me of the other Red Bull too...
@@TomislavPuklin-x5masn't Riccardo's main problems with McLaren was an unstable rear end?
I appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos, you bring so many different aspects to F1 fans
After 8 months of not racing at all and getting used to a new car compared to the benchmark thats been 12 races in this car.
Thats quite impressive.
Lets hope he continues this way.
I think people kinda overrated the time for veteran F1 driver times to getting used to a new car we have seen with magnusenn and Hülkenberg
great work , the animation, the music, and the angles are on point... infact may be more enjoyable than the race ;)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Danny's first time in the car in real qualifying conditions, outdoes Yuki, who everyone says is under-appreciated.
Nailed it
He had upgrades whereas Yukio didn't
@@lumiel2453oth have identical cars, what do you mean by Ric had upgrades?
@@mizbaibnbasher6269Yuki damaged his front wing in FP3 and had to run an older spec wing
But then you have those people saying Daniel is heavily overrated.
That’s incredible by both drivers to be so close to each other. So interesting to see their approaches to different segments
Danny Ric is back into a car he can trust and push. Just matching a young talent like Yuki shows a lot. It's amazing how such a talented driver couldn't ever get along with the mcclaren. I knew he hadn't lost it. It doesn't just go away overnight.
he outqualified Lando in his first 3/4 races, I don't think it was about adapting as people say, he had so many issues there that went under the radar
even horner said he was a different driver when he turned up at the red bull simulator, he hasn't just turned up and got it back overnight
its been the better part of a year to get back to where he is now, it wasn't just issues with the mclaren
@@Sem5626 His issues stem from being at McLaren though. He tried to adapt to their car (Apparently taking too much advice from his engineer) and developed bad habits, which sapped his confidence. His first year at McLaren wasn't as terrible as made out, but his second certainly was. I never doubted it was anything more than a form slump, he never lost it, just went down the wrong path
@@timjohnun4297 ricciardo once said, driving mclaren feels like using your non-dominant foot after many years of using the dominant one, so i believe it's reli hard to adapt to cars of absolutely different styles especially after years of driving certain types of cars you form a habit and are not young to adapt easily anymore.
@@timjohnun4297absolutely, I listened to the beyond the grid podcast and he discussed how at one point the car felt good and he was getting more comfortable with it but come the next weekend it was all over the place.
This is just his first race-week back on the grid. He can only get better from here as long as he's motivated.
That's literally the opposite of what happened when he was at McLaren, so no
Fr, Yuki migth get exposed, Ricciardo had no seat for halve season, he just go back and beath him, Yuki has been in these team for years, has a better feel for this car atm and lost to Ricciardo
thats what they said about his mclaren tenure LMAOOOOOOO
@geoffyeos im guessing the AT shares more characteristics with the RB in terms of front end grip whereas the mclaren went against what he was used to and didn't utilise his full potential leading to the lack of confidence, going to be an interesting year but glad he's back
F1 just wasn't the same without that bigger than life smile Danny Ric has!
He is truly a talent and great for PR in the F1 field.
I may be a little bit bias being an Aussie but good to see him back in a trusted seat (team)
Good luck DR.
It's early but I think they are both extracting the most they can with this car. Time will tell if they remain mostly tied
If one of them falls too much behind they're out of F1
I doubt either of them are extracting the max if Ricciardo just jumped in the car this week.
@@samh3157 yes, but then again, Ric was out of the car for only 11 races, barely half a season, while still being pretty active on simulator and even driving RB... He just took a short brake which was necessary after that McLaren agony...
@@TheEmolano If Perez has to be replaced, there's no way Tsunoda or Ricciardo are dropped. Lawson is the only RB driver with even a remote possibility of being put in an F1 car, and going outside of the RB program for DeVries really didn't pan out. They'd have too many seats and not enough people to fill them
@@karlosmehil7754 What are you talking about? It's the first weekend in that car, driving the Red Bull car has nothing to do with this one. So thinking that Ricciardo could be extracting the maximum in his first weekend with the car is completely ridiculous.
Pretty good snap shot of Danny’s natural driving style. Sure he was into turn one behind Yuki because of an earlier breaking point, but ahead out of that corner. Classic Ricciardo; trail braking and lots of flow through the rotation keeping the aerodynamics of the car engaged via higher corner speeds. This is his natural instinctive style. Something he could not do with the ‘strange’ McLaren design philosophy.
Correct, he's not the late braker a lot seem to think he is, he actually brakes earlier and lighter than most. Unless he's licking the stamp ;)
@@timjohnun4297 he only brakes late when it comes to overtaking, but in qualifying he's not, why he looks a lot worse when he's driving the mclaren particularly in qualifying
@@timjohnun4297 *that's
Really impressive simulation!
I'm very pleased by Daniel's quali and race. The Honey Badger is back in style!
Interesting is the fact that they both used different front wings. Tsunoda lost his updated front wing after a spin in FP1 and the result of the qualifying session may have been decided by then.
40 laps on a set of mediums was more telling. Who knows what Danny Ric could have done if not molested in the first corner on lap one.
I was talking about qualifying only, but let's discuss the race as well.
Certainly Daniel's tyre management in the last stint was a great job. In addition, it could be called a masterpiece considering that there were 10 races blank.
However, it is important to remember that he was basically more than two seconds GAP ahead, except for LAP30 and LAP39. This may have enabled him to concentrate on protecting his tyres.
In a way this may have been possible because of the incident on the first lap.
Sorry for my hard-to-read sentences. English is not my mother tongue.
@stevecampbell724 Agreed. "Molested" (😂) on lap 1/turn 1, and they also pitted him super early on that first stint.
@@rbarbetta1978 I was surprised he managed to take a set of mediums for close to 40 laps at the end.
That explains why Yuki always complains about the brakes. His style heavily relies on having good brakes. Ricciardo is all about carrying that speed and a smooth right foot out of the corner.
Yeah. That's also how Max drive tbh, he's also not someone who slam late on the brake, but find a way to shorten the corner and smoothen it, so he will spend less time rotating the car and has a better exit. Now i kinda understand why Max and Daniel both perform pretty well on the Red Bulls before.
@@ThinhNguyen-df1ycmax would perform in any car
actually daniel also relies on having a good brakes while having an oversteery car so he can brake late like he did on the first corner.
@@alexanderkononov1862 have u ever seen Max drive in anything other than a redbull in F1? If not. Then don't be so sure about it since u have no evidence. He can drive in any car, but how he perform is a different story. He is mad talent so I don't rule out the possibility that he can do great on other cars, but don't overhype anything if it haven't happened yet.
@@Aijiyaaa i'm pretty sure that strong rear end grip car, which is understeery, like McLaren is the one that need good brake to help putting more pressure on the front grip and help rotating the car when late braking
Red bull has strong front end grip which is oversteer, so u don't want to brake too hard to prevent putting too much pressure on the front end since it already has alot of grip there, and i think Alpha Tauri has similar set up. So for Daniel who brake early when he does a lap time, its suit him. He only brake late to does his signature dive bomb when he overtake.
That's also why Perez seem struggle doing lap time on the red bull car, he is a late braker, so it only help when he overtake, not when he do qualifiy
Thanks for these animations man. Appreciate your work.
Danny uses less kerbing, especially in sectors 1 and 3. Allowing him to carry greater final speeds in the straights.
Yeah and Yuki makes up a bit of time in braking but then loses it as you pointed out but Danny will learn the car, and learn to push that more. In Renault and McLaren the main thing for him learning the cars was learning the braking and brake feel so he could know how far he can push it. It seems he has shorter corners than Yuki and can improve on braking when he gets more time in the car. The differnece here is marginal and it could have probably gone either way but its great to at least see Danny on par with Yuki already considering he spent 2yrs at McLaren up to 1sec behind Norris. It seems if he just uses his natural ability he will be fine but McLaren tried to micromanage him and it messed with his driving style and prob forced him into braking differently and losing his shorter corners
@@irishRocker1The fact that he loses time during breaking is because of his unusual style of breaking with slightly less pressure to keep the car more stable. This is also a part of his disappointing pace in McLaren as the car wasn't suited to such style of breaking.
How do you gather your data to make these videos?
Pretty good sign if you’re a Ricciardo fan. Not driving for half the year and coming off two atrocious seasons, I was gonna give him a passing grade for the weekend if he finished 0.2 behind Yuki. Let’s see if he can keep it up and improve.
Danny has been in F1 for 8+ years more than yuki. The more experience you get means the better you get. It’s too early to judge the drivers as yuki is still early in his f1 career
Great job as usual
Thank you so much! Really appreciate it
How do you get the positional data to make these videos? I didn't know it was published anywhere
It's not...not that I know of. Which makes me doubt how accurate this is
Maybe an overlay in the top right corner so we can reference where the drivers are in relation to the whole circuit?
Thanks for these videos ❤
Thank you for the support :)
These videos just keep getting better and better, wish F1 had something like this.
amazing visual analysis as always! correct me if im wrong but did yuki had more traffic in q1?
Thank you! It was a clear lap on his final attempt
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@@formulaaddict ah, interesting! so that means DR adapted VERY quickly to the pace that the car had, made me even more impressed now.
Didn't Yuki have an old front wing and Daniel an upgraded one. Wasn't that the cause of the better speed, especially after the last turn?
I definitely think Riccardo pulled off a great race from 13th to 18th and back is crazy. He's gonna be my favorite driver for a while
40 laps on mediums too
@@dogswifty7800 that's what 17 years of experience get you
@@dogswifty7800 He would be 11th or 12th if lap 1 incident did not Ricciardo
Man please do Mclaren Silverstone last year vs this year. I really wanna see the improvent. Would've loved a start of the season vs end of the season too but they dont race on the same track twice
Thank you for the suggestion! The 2022 Silverstone Qualifying was rainy but we will find a good track to compare the McLarens 🙂
@@formulaaddict Well, I think Zandvoort is the best track since it short
Loving this comparison. While all eyes are on Ricciardo’s comeback, Yuki is also just as amazing as anybody else on the grid. :)
Brilliant...I want all teammate's comparisons streamed in 3D!!!
This is also with Riccardo with the new spec front wing while Yuki didn't have it cause of a spin in FP1.
Where do you get the data of the cars from? Does Fia release it freely?
Also its not just about different cars for Danny, its about being happy too. When your in a good head space, everything is easier and Danny seems back to himself again.
Its easy to look back now, but if he never left Redbull in the first place, i reckon he would have easily won at least another 10 plus races in that Redbull car.
Agreed. He looks really happy again to be in the car.
And this is why I feel sorry for perez, putting daniel in that at AT is the equivalent of marko holding a gun to his head thinking that it'll make him improve or he's done which only adds to his woes.
this was ricciados first quali in a car hes been in for max 2 hours and Tsunoda has been with this car for 2 and a hallf years, yet Ricciardo still beats him, and people call him washed
SPECTACULAR - Thank you 🙏
Never seen anything like that. 😮👍👍
I’d love to see all in Q3, perhaps too busy on screen… top 5? GR8 GR8 VIDEO! Cheers, Michael 🇦🇺
Thankyou-thankyou-verymuch again for this here! Looks sooo great! PLEASE COULD YOU DO THIS WITH THE LAST LAP Hamilton vs Verstappen at the Championship-final in Abu Dhabi 2021? You would catch super rewards from us all!
Its pretty impressive when at this level you just get in a car you've never driven and beat the person thats been driving it all along straight away.
Did he not complete the three practice sessions for some reason?
Those are not a lot of time to get used to it. I think this person is saying like "your first weekend in a car you've never driven". Obviously by quali you'd have driven it a couple times.
Really nice again! Idea for next video with the same cars. The car with the yellow T-cam has a yellow racing line.
Quick question, with apologies if it's been asked x1mil times already.
Is this video extrapolating sector times only, or is this video visualizing actual telemetry data (super-nice if they give you access to the telemetry)?
What's the genre of this music called?
lo-fi i guess
Interesting. Wondering what a best combined time would look like. It seems to be a more competitive car than has been realized
How did you get the data to generate these videos? They are amazing!
Very cool analysis, I think Dan will pick up a bit more time as he become more used to the car, but Yuki is and has been a great driver in F1. But all drivers use a similar overall approach, the subtle differences of each is what makes F1 so amazing. Max and Checo, LeClerc and Sainz, Ham and Russell would probably look similar in some ways and then different in others. Max, LeClerc and Ham running a few seconds ahead of their teammates. Max has been on another level this season. Not just because of superior Red Bulls cars, but he's finally grown into the shoes of his aggressive style he's always had. More than any other driver he's at the peak of speed vs grip this season.
Yuki didn't have the new wing worth 0.150 because it broke in FP so with that Yuki in theory would have outqualified him.
Yeah, that might be but he drove the car for 12 weekends whereas it's first quali for Daniel
@@franzzosikutino But Ricciardo has twelve years of experience in Formula 1.
@@Chukase Hamilton drove as well as Alonso in his rookie season and Alonso was already a 2 time champion (but it was Alonso's first year in mclaren aswell). Time in f1 matters for sure but I don't know, lets talk after the next race (by some logic Daniel should pick up some more pace now I think)
@@franzzosikutinotbf, before the 2007 season Hamilton drove the car for over 7,700 km (almost 26 races worth) so it’s not exactly a fair comparison
It would be nice of the texts where just a bit longer visible. Had to rewind and pause the video in order to read them.
That said, really interesting watching these comparisons!
Amazing video! I don’t know how you do it but I appreciate it!
These videos are amazing, how do you create them?
Good job, thanks for the content! Do you know the precision of the position data you're using to make those animations?
Can you do you a W11 vs W14? I’m pretty sure the conditions were close to being the same
Love these videos. Thanks G
Great animation. Fascinating.
For his first race outing in some time, not coming last is a big accomplishment and positive for the team.
As Daniel learns the car and they make changes to make it more suited to him it'll be interesting to see how this changes. I expect after the summer break will be the first time we see him in a car that's more intended for him. I think both he and Yuki are better than the car is letting them appear.
After summer break he might be in a different car, depending on how this weekend goes for a certain other driver 🤣
"I never left."
What lap and what compound were each of the drivers on? (I'm assuming same lap, same compound)
This is hella cool!! Thank you.
How did you get the telemetry for this comparison? Would be cool to compare a few more like that. 👌
Good stuff! Where does the data come from?
TOTAL 100% RING THE BELL SUBSCRIBER now! Obviously! Thanks again M🏎️🇦🇺
I think both drivers did a good job. If they have a good car, they can compete in a higher level.
Ricciardo 1-0 in both qualifying and the race
He was pretty impressive in the race as well
7+ sec pitstop for Tsu and a bad 2nd pitstop strategy made him loose to Ric tmo
@@pierre-dominiqueancel5488 maybe but dont forget that ricciardo was turned in corner 1 with no fault of himself, his lap times where simply consitently better. But that also is what expirience gives you
@@pierre-dominiqueancel5488ricciardo was 7 seconds down on the field after t1 mate
@@pierre-dominiqueancel5488 RIC went 40 laps on the mediums too which really impressive.
@@pierre-dominiqueancel5488
Don’t forget Ricciardo had damage and was dead last after Turn 1
A few things. 1) I think both of them are clearly held back by the limits of the car. Throw them both in a red bull and then we can compare. 2) “practice is different than game time”. So how’d they both do during the race, and how did they handle the situations thrown at them?
To me, Q1 times mean absolutely nothing.
Is it somehow possible to make it more obvious which driver is which? Currently the 3d models are the same so when the cars are really close to each other it becomes rather difficult to tell which is which. (F.ex. making the other car darker etc.)
Nice job. Would love to see Alonzo vs. Stroll at Aston Martin.
These two drivers are not really comparable. Ricciardo is a top tier emotionally unstable driver (Leclerc is a bit like that as well), Tsunoda is a good mid-field driver. Ricciardo could be a world champion if the Mercedes wasn't that dominant back at him time at red bull. Clearly he belongs to be in the grid. Remains to see how he can compete with the big boys in a competitive car.
he could be a 2-time world champion if it wasnt for mercedes dominance, he's kinda born at the wrong time (between vettel and max, when rb didnt have a competitve car)
Combine yuki’s braking and daniel’s corner exit and you got yourself a stew going.
Saw your videos a few days ago. Great stuff, just add your own voiceover perhaps too, some analysis.
If it wasn't for Zhou Ricciardo may have scored points.
He can drive the line, it does not change much for any cars on this track.
would be interesting to layer all the laps of the race and see what line is the most used, is there a predetermined route, or a driver who takes a corner a little different.
How is the data for the riding lines obtained
I like this ghost car style lap time comparison
Great video!
Both drivers are amazingly talented.
All the people in the comments clearly haven’t watched either the quali or the race in enough detail to give their opinion on this and it’s kinda annoying
Is it true that they were equal on the final corner? How accurate is this?
I just want to say how weird it is seeing Daniel in an Alpha Tauri suit. Imagine going back to a junior team at 34 years old.
Alpha Tauri is not really the team for aspiring drivers it used to be. Mire like a worse sister team.
“fans” saying danny “outperformed” yuki must not have watched FP3 or qualifying…. actually pay attention to the sessions instead of cherry picking data to fit your narrative 🤓
Where do you get the data on the racing lines?
I like that you explained the mistakes
This is so cool to watch!!! Now I can say I’ve been driving all wrong on Grand turismo lol 😂
How do you get the positional data?
Very cool - I must confess as I was watching it I thought "Oh no, they're going to crash!!"!
Great video 😊
Quality content!
So...late braking making Yuki a little bit wide on turn 1, after that Ric dominating by a small margin, but then he made a mistake and got a little bit wide
Definitely looks like Ricciardo could do that faster so we will see if more improvements are had in Belgium.
Daniel looks like he is getting better traction out of the corners. That little slip up masked what could have been a 2 or 3 tenth difference between them... ironically the difference between Tsunoda and De Vries.
I´d love to see Senna/Berger in Suzuka, Schumi/Hill, Mansell/Patrese ;)
GOD I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS
Whats the pay difference?
Yuki's time was slow because he was using the old front wing.
Possible. There's also the tires. I don't know how much of a difference it made but Yuki qualified on hards while Daniel qualified on mediums.
3D Analysis is brutal.
For the experience TSU has in the Alpha and RICs lack of experience, they are pretty dang close. As most people expect, RIC should be faster more often given his overall experience in F1.
This shows me only that Dany need much much more effort to be able to get back to Red Bull
The new front wing is clearly giving the car better straight-line speed put of corners
Considering that (realistically) that was only the 4th time driving that car properly, that was a mega effort
IS THIS COMPARING EACH OF THEIR BEST laps or the same lap?
Tsunoda has been driving that car for a long time & that's his best. First time for Riccardo & he hasn't got the car set up for him, yet.