The Most Broken Wizard Subclass
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I'll be honest. I thought you said emoji wizard
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Oh I was wondering why there wasn't any likes. Anyways wow good strategy. I'm going to pester my DM with this
Maybe as a really cool one off trick but DO NOT abuse this. It will kill alot of the fun at the table for everyone if you do.
Of course. What I meant is more pester my DM to let me do this :)
* every enemy, including the rats, now have dispell magic *
Combine this with the Alarm or Magic Mouth spell so you can hear a "Beep Beep Beep" signal when the microwave oven has finished cooking!
LOL
Only Double Polymorph/Haste/Wall of Fire/Sickening Radiance/Summoning Spells, I don’t see anything busted or OP here
Just be a druid and summon some fairy and u get 8 polymorphs
@@MochiiMaroach if your dm let’s you summon 8 fairies at 7th level then you’re a lucky lucky person
@@cameronvincent_films it's what it says it can do so why couldint i do it if you have a dm that wont let you use spells the way they can be used then u have a shitty dm if it's due to setting then yeah I can get that
@@MochiiMaroach Ah yes, slightly modifying something as to not make every encounter in the entire campaign pointless. What a shitty dm they must be
@@MochiiMaroach A shitty dm would be one that'd obey RAW over the fun and balance of the game for others. And i believe that the spell u mention has the DM choose the creatures RAW so u wouldnt get eight fairies probably anyway
I like the concept of double concentration, even though I can fully admit it’s completely busted
There is a way to make it work, but it requires retooling the entire spellcasting system of D&D.
I'm not familiar with the ability in question, (away from computer), but I'd at LEAST add a clause or something like:
"If you must make a concentration check to maintain either of your spells, this check is done at disadvantage. On a failure, all of your concentrated spells end."
Or at the very least, give the ally a minimum range they must be within of you in order for it to work.
@@raz802 oh I fully agree, I would definitely limit double concentration down a lot. I think disadvantage + having all concentrated spells end works a lot, and gives war caster another use (not like it needed it but it is one of my favorite feats)
As for what the ability states:
“At 10th level, when you cast a spell using a spell slot of 4th level or lower, you can condense the spell's magic into a mote. The spell is frozen in time at the moment of casting and held within a gray bead for 1 hour. This bead is a Tiny object with AC 15 and 1 hit point, and it is immune to poison and psychic damage. When the duration ends, or if the bead is destroyed, it vanishes in aflash of light, and the spell is lost.
A creature holding the bead can use its action to release the spell within, whereupon the bead disappears. The spell uses your spell attack bonus and save DC, and the spell treats the creature who released it as the caster for all other purposes.
Once you create a bead with this feature, you can't do so again until you finish a short or long rest.”
I once made a homebrew feat that allowed double concentration
On top of things like disadvantage on concentration checks, you couldn’t cast _any_ other spells while double concentrating (and if you lose concentration, you can’t cast the following turn either)
@@Deathnotefan97 I like that a lot actually
Remember, the greatest magic of them all...
Is Chronomancy.
YEEEEES!
Is friend~ship.
Is EXPLOOOSION magic!
The DMG, explicitly: When homebrewing, don't ever give PCs the ability to concentrate on more than one thing
Matt Mercer: _I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that_
Well the thing is you can only do this with a familiar, else you're using another player's action and concentration (and even if you're giving it to someone who usually doesn't have to concentrate they're having a chance to get that concentration broken). And doing this with a familiar honestly requires DM agreement, since they could totally say that releasing a spell like this is out of the intellect of a familiar.
@@jeohranalfhir8366depends on the familiar.
Bro I’m sorry but I am dyslexic I literally read this as “most broken wizard succubus” for a solid 5 minutes🤣
I used to run a 4E campaign. I can imagine giving my players a magic item that duplicates this effect:
Bead of Arcane Abeyance
Property: can store a copy of any implement power inside the bead for up to one week
Daily, move, range 10, zone, +9 vs AC: original implement power activates as if cast on target
If the power has a lasting effect, bead floats at center of zone until power ends or is damaged
Bead has flat 25 defenses; any hit that damages the bead triggers the following reaction:
Encounter, reaction (bead is damaged or power ends): Bead teleports intact to owner’s hand
Now let the mischief begin.
You could do this with other party spellcaster though. It has always been an option, this feature makes it slightly easier because enemy’s can sometimes teleport or have lots of HP and high con save. You also would need to get good initiative to pull it off smoothly in one turn.
Sure, but your other party spellcaster is still able to haste your barbarian now, as you're doing this all on your own.
@@jonispatented Haste is a trash spell, but I see your point. I just think that wall of force + and damage over time AOE is not new tech
Chronurgy Wizards add their Inteligence modifier to initiative from level 2, so…
Not to even mention the Dexterity modifier, possible Gift from Alacrity, and possible Guidance (which works for initiative).
@@MadnessOpus that's a good feature, don't get me wrong, but that is definitely not what makes chronurgy wizards so op.
He was talking about the fact that you can do that with just one character
“The chronurgy wizard is completely broken. Why?”
Because it’s… time magic?
What would be the point otherwise. Wizards make spells to break the standard limits on things.
Microwaved enemies sounds like a recipe for success!
Barbeque
@@edmcintosh9500 flambé
It's BEEN busted. Also ppl saying "they don't see anything busted" just don't know the spells. What about an INSTANT Leomunds Tiny Hut in combat. Ya that's not broken at all
This is a horror Story in the making
Better yet casting animate object on leomund’s tiny hutt for an eldritch abomination that can protect the entire party.
@@personman8734 I don't believe you can do this? Isn't there a safeguard on Animate Objects?
@@jeohranalfhir8366 the only caveat seems to be that the hutt can’t be larger than huge and it’s not leomund’s tiny mansion so it’s probably not against the rules.
@@jeohranalfhir8366 if you think about it you could instead take a bag of holding or devouring and cast enlarge and animate object on it and just send it to eat things if I’m understanding the spells correctly.
"LOVE!? YOU THINK LOVE IS THE GREATEST MAGIC!!? NO! THE ANSWER IS *CHRONOMANCY!*"
-Arthur Aguefort
Thats fucking absurd xD Imma stick to my monklocks. I started a game recently with your Pact of the Trigger and its incredible dude, thank you for all the awesome homebrews and awesome videos
I've been homebrewing a player class and one of its subclasses allows the player to have two different concentration spells and/ or abilities going at the same time by themselves.
Though if they do so, several of their actions are restricted, they gain disadvantage on both concentration checks, and they become stunned until the end of their next turn if they fail both concentration checks.
Downside: most DMs will not let you even consider it.
Or do the same thing for any Wizard for spells up 5th level by giving their familiar a ring of spell storing.
Must piss the chain warlock
They also get lucky dice, int to initiative, and prof/LR incapacitation. Easily my favorite class in game.
Yeah the int to initative, plus alert feet, plus good dex, plus 1 race that adds prof and you can pretty much gaureentee you go first.
Broken spell idea when this spell is cast you gain a second concentration. Requires concentration.
A ring of spell storing does exactly the same and you don't even have to play a chronurgy wizard. And you can do that as often as you want, not only once per rest.
Also cantrips are level zero. Round up a ton of regular peasants give them like 10 firebolts each and just have them cast them all at anything.
TL;DR the "no friends" combo
also Tiny Hut casted as a naction is possible with arcane aqbeyance. Literally just an impenetrable wall
This is just gross, and I love it. Thanks for the chaotic recommendation!
Good thing I'm playing one right now :)
Honestly everything about the chronourgy is broken like their capstone ability is straight up saying no to a dice roll
Hehe, Wizard go MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM *DING*
Wall of force can't be dispelled you need disintegration
You could always do combos like that. Just have two wizards in the party
I just had a session 0 for the new campaign I'm running. My brother is playing a Tortle chronurgy wizard. Good thing I like powerful PCs 😂
I thought this was going to be about evocation wizards allowing up to 5 individuals (average party size) to be unaffected by Sickening Radiance
Not only that, chronurgy wizard also has convergent future, which literally lets you force enemies to roll a natural -3
Wow, a reason to play a wizard over a sorcerer
I've never liked the thought of "I'm just going to fly away while this spell kills you". Spells have a range so why should your familiar be 5 km away with a spell effect still going is stupid to me. The look on my players face when they were on the edge of the range only to have the enemy sprint out of range in the opposite direction while I tell him the spell effect is neutralized on his turn because he couldn't get back in range. Some spells it makes sense to have a massive range such as various divination spells but others like heat metal which you have to spend on of your actions to keep going doesn't. On the flip side, I don't break a spells effect if a player can move back into range such as witch bolt. The thought of "I took one step to the left so I'm out of range annoys me. Turns happen simultaneously so the thought of a wizard moving in step to maintain witch bolt is fully plausible
Imo thats a fine house rule, but personally i prefer the way rules already are. If taken to the logical extreme it makes it hard to do much as a caster. Either youre close enough that they cant just leave your range and they run up and hit you enough to break concentration or youre far enough that they run away a bit. Also, it makes it really hard to buff or debuff allies/enemies, cant haste someone to let them dash away because theyll just lose it. Cant frighten an enemy because as soon as theyre a turn away they auto break the spell. Cant bless your friends and then hang back, because the barbarian's gonna need to be in melee and youre too far back, cant give the rogue invisibility while they go on a solo stealth mission, etc. I also think that the idea of flying away with a spell active is neat, the spell has a range where it can be activated, but if all you need to do is concentrate, i.e. think about it, you can do that from anywhere. If your table likes it, thats fine, but i do think it breaks a decent chunk of spells.
Edit: rules like this are fine, but please dont spring them on players out of nowhere if you want to add this too your game, their characters as spell casters in the world would know about it, and as players trying to be at least a little tactical they should too.
@@flyinhigh7681 no I get that but I'm mostly referring to spells that require being refreshed such as heat metal which I used in my example. If you need to use an action to maintain (which are few and far between) it makes sense that it has to be within range to do so. Things like spiritual weapon or flaming sphere, you have to be in view if you want to control it. Some spells states that the spell fades when out of range. As for the player, I wrote down all my rules and he didn't bother to read it while trying to cheese me. I don't like being cheesed. It makes the game me vs them. My point is that for certain spells this rule makes sense. Not all but some of the more strange ones. I keep listing heat metal and witch bolt because those are viewed as best/worst spells and heat metal was used to try cheese me
Chrono and Divination are so busted though Wizard is the strongest class in the game so expected they're that broken
As some guy from Spain I know said "Matias (Matt) doesn't know how to balance his things"
Las cosas que Matt crea y WotC aprueba son diametralmente opuestas a algunas subclases del manual del jugador: las primeras se pasan de eficientes, y las segundas están demasiado restringidas. Sorprendentemente todas cuentan con el visto bueno de arriba XD
Air genasi are fine because they can hold their breath forever.
Looks like a nice bounty hunter
I have never played dnd dont know the rules but i still for some reason watch these videos
this combo is only busted if you don't have friends
I'm sorry..
The homebrew Draconic Patron Warlock subclass I'm am working on has the ability to have your familiar hold concentration on a spell for you if you choose Pact of the Chain.
I'm pretty new into DnD haven't even played a round yet but you *can* make walls around your enemy and put a spell this box of walls you've created? N@z1 wizard is a better name for that holy
My father and I used to do this trick at Dungeons and Dragons adventure league games when he was a warlock and I was a wizard. That strategy got banned at the cons we went to and we got told not to do that at tables XD
Or, IDK, you could just have another Wizard in the party?
The Mercer stuff is incredibly thematic and cool, but game balance is way off.
I thought this was going to be about the 2nd level Chronal shift and the 14th Convergent Future;
They effectively make it incredibly difficult if not near impossible for people to succeed against your spells.
Chronurgy wizard is how I imagine someone would make up rules like a nonsense playground game.
"I'm the smartest so I should go first"
"Nuh uh, you're not allowed to succeed; it's unfair. reroll that save."
"You're being mean, you don't get to play because I put you in a forcefield"
"I'm special so I can concentrate on two spells with my familiars help"
"I've decided that you're gonna fail that roll."
Everyone knows what's the strongest magic there is.
I mean they are already on the grill you just have to turn the heat on
Mmmmicrowave hamster...
I play a chronurgy wizard and honestly, this is a lot harder than you would think. Not only do you have to set this up, but you also have to worry about your party members getting microwaved as well. It’s good if you’re on your own, but you do have to have the insight to prepare your familiar with the arcane abeyance before the fight, or else you’re fucked.
Dont forget that if you cast magic jar you can take over an arch druid and become immune to exhaustion. This lets you use your subclass capstone EVERY ROUND.... FOREVER.
you don't get their class features ;(
@@tobybaker8590 no the Creature Arch druid from the monster manual
Man you gotta take this down before one of my players sees it
Orrrr you make an enemy based around this
You could just do what I do and say no content from EGtW
I mean just one dispel magic and boom countered that stuff is so busted
Not if the familiar cast it, they have to target you or the familiar, or the target depending on the spells used. Requiring possible 2 dispells.
It can also do 4th lv spells giveing them a chance or requireing a 4th lv slot and turn to gaurenteeable get rid of the effect
Plus few monsters have dispell
@@TerryAVanguard They don't have to target the caster. They only have to target the Magical Effect. Also, Wall of Force can't be dispelled, and Arcane Arbeyance can't cast Wall of Force. That means the enemy would have to target the Sickening Radiance cast by the familiar. But since Arcane Arbeyance requires a short-rest before using it again, the caster can't even re-cast Sickening Radiance after it has been dispelled. That means Dispel Magic can absolutely break this combo.
However, I agree with you that not many enemies even have access to that spell.
A familiar and ring of spell storing does the same thing and it goes up-to 5th level, i dont see the issue.
5e is broken stop playing it
I wish I had people to play DnD with :(((( you have made this sound like something I would love to play. I grew up on old school RPGs and MTG. These days nothing compares, I wish I could get into DND. Also you're hot.
Maybe try eote or plain genesys system. Their new systems that are different enough from dnd to be fun, but still hit that role playing spot close to home.
Nice combo. Not broken. There are lots of brutal combos.
I like the sorcerer 3, warlock multiclass.
Quicken Demi plane, cast behind enemy. Repelling Blast, free action close demi plane 😎
Counter point; find familiar, make it a cute fluffy cat, have it walk up to small peasant child, then quicken cast Demiplane ;)
His players must hate him
...I thought familiars could only cast touch spell, maybe this class ability changes that,I don't have the crhono wizard...
Yeah, this class feature allows you cast a spell into a "mote", and then any creature (not just the familiar) can use an action to release the spell from the mote.
Counterpoint; That's tenth level and most players will realistically never get to that level of play because no one seems to be able to run long term games anymore. Highest I've seen one organically grow to is 9th from 1st.
My groups are both at 14, though one of them started at lv 3
You blew up my strategy) hope my DM won't see it before I reach 10th lvl with my wizard
Yeah but if the person holding the bead ever gets hit by any AOE spell the bead is instantly destroyed lol
True, but it only last an hour, so your usally only going to use it when you know your going into trouble.
And since chron mages get to add int to initiative your probably going to beat the aoe. Also bag of holding is a good way to protect it, just takes your interaction to retrieve it.
Pretty good
Lol this is just saying that parties of spell casters are powerful
Ive always thought this argument against dual concentration is flawed bc you could just do this with two casters...
I allow double concentration for lower level Spells in my D&D games. Explicitly only 3rd level or lower.
As in two 3rd level spells, or a 3rd level spell as well as a higher leveled spell?
@@The23rdGamer a 3rd Level spell and a higher leveled spell.
Quick question, can characters with pretty good charisma attempt to make a wizard laugh to break their concentration?
No
So, this is something I’m curious about. Can constructs and undead suffer the effects of exhaustion? Those seem like enemy types that should be immune to it, unless I’m misunderstanding what exhaustion is from a magical/lore standpoint
Chronurgy huh? so now you can import my party Wizard from SotDL to DnD
next book I'll be able to import the menace that's Arthur Crowfeather, my own character
My druid does the same thing with RoSS casts stone skin on me
Your mileage may very but my dm allows me to dismiss a familiar to it's pocket dimension and maintain it's concentration
Wow thats crazy, then there is pretty much no way to end the spell
@@TerryAVanguard yep it's t4 play so resistance to nonmagical weapon damage isn't particularly useful but it's saved my bacon a few times at relatively low cost
No they're not done. You always have to put them back in for 2 more minutes :)
Why must you expose our wizard secrets for clicks?
The fact that this is already possible with just 2 casters is already ridiculous.
So... Nothing entirely new ...
Wizards have been OP busted since AD&D so not entirely surprised wizard is still broken
This is completely broken I agree, but it has the same issue that most good but less played subclasses have, and that is that barely any games get to those levels. Personally I need to assume a max level of 5-6 in any given campaign.
Honestly, I get annoyed with people describing things as "broken" or whatever.
SO WHAT if certain things or combinations of things are extremely powerful? What, players are supposed to be totally weak and completely at the mercy of the DM?
If there was magic in real life, this is the kind of thing that would happen. If you don't like it BUILD A LOW MAGIC CAMPAIGN SETTING!!!!!
It's NOT busted. A DM just needs to either be creative or not play a damn UNIMAGINATIVE kitchen sink campaign setting.
Chronurgy Wizard is the only subclass in the game, in any published book that I have banned in my campaign. It's this, plus an ability like Divination wizard's portent but even better. This subclass NEVER should've been published.
Forcecage can be a unbreakable microwave tho?
My favorite chronurgy exploit is where you intentionally get a garbage strength score, just atrocious, if possible a 1, your dm may allow you to purposely have an aweful score as it will be a bane. Get a vorpal blade, then don’t roll to attack, also your have to be level 14. Convergent future say you can can instead roll the minimum amount, with a minus 4 to hit and no proficiency your bound to roll like garbage so for creatures with an ac of at least 16 which at 14th level won’t be hard, the minimum to hit is a bay 20 since may 20s hit regardless, and since you “rolled a bay 20” they are dead unless their immune. Chronurgist only need their spells anyways
Most wizards should be broken at level 10. Levels 10-20 are quite powerful for most classes especially if they didn’t multiclass. But I would say Chronal Shift is insanely powerful given how early on you get it
Know a dude that made a double casting feat, required like 18 int, but given dis on all concentration checks and breaking one breaks all... It actually kinda works out fine.
Can it be strong yea, all feat should give the potential of strength
How I made my dm hate me: with chronurgy wizard
Soul jar + true polymorph to gain the body of a blade lord, which is a type of war forge from eberon. This gave me immunity to exhaustion
Because converging future has no limit besides giving you exhaustion, I was now capable of succeeding ANY ability check. My character has never touched a lock pick in his life, yet is capable of picking any lock better than a rogue. I have the charisma score of a soggy potato yet I can convince an entire village to die for me in war. I can wear bright neon glowing clothes while playing a saxophone yet no enemy can ever spot me. I can be blindfolded doing a handstand on the back of a horse shooting a thread through a needle with my feet while reciting labor laws going off of 2 minutes of sleep 10 days ago and have an accuracy of 100%.
I'm actually in the middle of a campaign playing a chronurgy wizard and I had a pretty solid spellbook app that had the subclass, but seems they've gone backwards an removed it? Idk, possibly user error 🤷 But wanting to know suggestions for either an online resource with a list of all spells or a solid spellbook app
I'm going to stop you right there: no wizard is OP, they are the weakest class in the game, they have the most spells yes but your only going to use like 10 of them and the vast majority does NOTHING.
also to do what your doing you need like 3 full turns, one to cast the spell and turn it into a mote, the second to hand the bead to someone and the 3rd to cast wall of force, in combat that is impractical, also the thing that turns into a level 4 spell HAS 1 HP, if someone casts fireball or something like that the bead just dies and there goes your level 4 spell slot. also the bead only last 1 hour so you have to prep it before hand and then MAYBE you get to use it, maybe you don't get into a combat encounter for a hour and POOF its gone.
anyways back to what I was saying wizards don't really do anything that ANY other caster can do better, hell half and quarter casters do more than wizards lol
The most greatest magic of all is of course CHRONOMANCY!
You’re DM, you can bend the rules however you see fit, no? And also DnD isn’t a competitive game, so there’s no point in doing this combo every time just for the sake of winning. But, if your player does that, well, don’t play with them
don't forget simulacrum as well
the simulacrum can have its own familiar RAW meaning a high enough level chronurgist can effectively have 4 concentration effects at one time
The thing is, it's not core D&D, it's for a specific setting. So beside the fact that it's published in a book, it's not different from homebrew.
at 14th level they can just say "nah you failed my save" for just 1 level of exhaustion (shapechange into a creature immune to exhaustion and work with another spellcaster)
There are plenty of “broken” abilities and exploits in the game. Just don’t over do it on cheesing the game and the subclass is perfectly fine
This can also be accomplished by just having allies to be fair, if you have a wizard, along with a warlock, sorcerer, or bard (of 10th level or higher) you can still do this kinda thing and it be just as busted, but i can get the point in this still
So, what you're saying is I should have a mage school that's secretly raising a wizard army of Chronomancy mages to do some truly top tier battlefield control so they can declare war on and take over the neighboring countries? Gotcha.
No necromancer is broken especially tiefling necromancer then cast fireball point blank take half damage pass your save half damage again then kill one thing and heal.
The chronurgy wizard is actually pretty underpowered.
Name me a subclass that Mercer made that WAS balanced, especially in comparison to Wotc publications.
At high levels, even worse. Shapechange into a Planetar and you are immune to exhaustion, so you can use the level 14 feature an unlimited number of times to force failed saves.
What makes this even more busted is the fact wall of force can't be dispelled. Only disintegrate can git rid of a wall of force
You can make it slightly more broken with Forcecage at lvl 13+ because Forcecage requires a charisma save to teleport out