💯 thank you very much for turning a crappy morning into a wonderful afternoon. From your number one Albuquerque New Mexico supported. And remember your bear spray
Down shift, don't use the brakes much they can catch something on fire. Use a DOT 5 synthetic racing brake fluid if you haven't already. You guys are doing great. Safe travels 🌲🌲🌲
As a driver of semi-trucks, downshifting is more than safe with diesel's. It is very wise to do with large vehicles including the bus. It uses the compression of the engine to slow the vehicle. Also, applying the brakes for 5 seconds on and 5 seconds off help to prevent overheating when downshifting doesn't keep the speed all the way down or RPM's of the engine creep too high.
Be sure to search for the downsides of DOT 5 before committing to it. Since it tends to hold tiny air bubbles, you can lose your braking at altitude. And it is a commitment, in that a thorough flush is required -- don't mix DOT 5 and DOT 3 or 4.
When running down hill on a long grade, use a lower gear so the engine can provide some braking. Also feather the brakes and don't ride them constantly. You experienced brake fade when they overheated. That can be extremely un-nerving as you still have pedal but the brakes become less effective as they heat up. And yes, it is possible to damage the brake shoes and drums if they overheat too much or too often.
Fix the brakes at the earliest opportunity - Use lower gears for downhill - engine brake - try to pick the gear below "D" best with out riding your brakes.
Severe brake heat will affect wheel bearings & spindles - check bearings and spindles for damage - install new if they are compromised. Same for the rear brakes.
Dude, your information is totally wrong on a diesel engine. The way diesel engine works it doesn't hold back on a downhill unless it's equipped with a jakebrake. It will run away and rev till it blows the engine. Pumping brakes is like fanning a fire. Heat-oxigen, heat-oxigen, heat-oxigen, that is how you make a fire. Go very slow, 10mph or slower, and hold a steady light pressure on the break. At 10% grade, l never did that, but maybe 5mph. Better to take a long time to get there safe and not get killed. Also just pull over and let brakes cool down. Hydrolic breaks are worse than air breaks because boiled fluid puts air in the lines and your brakes are gone then. Brakes that have boiled have to be bled after to get the air out of the lines.
@@tiger7777 Do NOT apply steady pressure on the brakes for long periods of time! That will cause overheating and possible runaway of the bus with brake failure. Use your lower gears to provide maximum engine braking and, if necessary, hard on the brakes to slow down then foot off the brake to let them cool, and repeat, until you get down. Any sign of fade and pull over and let them cool!!!
Glad to see y'all are still plugging along! One thing I've found, over the years, was it helps to have a simple status board with red strips for each critical item with a velcro patch at each item and a velcro strip on the board - when you deploy an item (like flipping the pump on) you just move the strip from the patch at the switch and put it on the status board, and when you are ready to go, the status board has all the strips so you don't miss something (return the strip to the patch at the item) - a bit OCD, but it's come in handy many a time when you either stay at one spot for a while or have to get underway quickly!
Thanks for this latest video; very enjoyable to watch. For sure, the cooler weather helped with your uphill engine-overheating situation. I'm not sure about all the other Canadians who are watching your videos, but I know that I'm getting more excited the closer your Skoolie gets to the 49th Parallel. :)
@@EfficientRVer just based on what I see in this video, this bus appears to have an International T444E engine and the Alison 560 automatic. If I’m right on those previous specs, the 560 will have no problem handling the load with a banks exhaust brake or similar system. Personally if it were me, I’d spend the money to add the exhaust brake, swap to an Alison 2,000 transmission, and change the main computer out for the Ford version so you can get a little more power out of that engine. The international stunts the torque and Hp on that engine in exchange for longevity. But the 7.3 power store is the exact same engine with a higher torque and horsepower output with a lighter transmission behind it. Pretty cool idea these schoolies are.
"It felt dangerously close to camping" 🤣 I feel that. hahaha Seriously though, your guys' abilities to tell a great story as it unfolds, make anything interesting, AND have great videography skills. 👌
I can sympathize. I towed my little camper over Teton Pass last year, and even with down-shifting the brakes on my van were unhappy by the time I was down on the Wyoming side.
Good riving Jimmy. Keep the old bus in the best running order possible, as you take on the mountain passes. The stress is real, smoke from the brakes will test the stress levels of the most experienced of drivers. Well done Jimmy. I will drink a beer in your honor later today as I recall my first journey through those passes. You guys make a great team. I think this was a great video. Thank you for sharing.
Hey thanks Steve 😄 It was definitely a test we did not think we were taking when we woke up that day. We had gone down 8% grades before but severely underestimated the 10% on the Teton Pass! 😅
I live right on the Idaho side of the pass! It can be real scary. If the weathers not great or we’re in our van we’ll take a 20 minute detour and go through swan valley and around and come into Jackson from the south end and avoid the pass all together. 🙌🏼🙌🏼
So glad you made it and that the brakes cooled down! You might want to invest in paper plates, bowls, plastic spoons, and forks. You can open up a can of spaghetti, vegetables, pasta, etc. And warm it in the microwave, no mess, no dishes, just a thought 😉 thank you for letting us into your lives ❤ 🥰
I have seen water pumps in RV's that have been replaced several times. USUALLY the problem isnt the motor, it's the contacts burning up. I am doing my own bus conversion and when the pump arrived I modified it. I had a 12 volt relay in my toolbox and cut the wire going to the motor and attached a wire from the hot wire coming to the pump and wired the relay so that the relay is turning the power to the motor on and off and is activated by the wire that normally does that. So the points in the pump are only turning the relay on and off and the relay is handling the higher current of the motor.
I can just imagine the fear you guys were feeling. Do you know if that road has run offs (I think that’s what there called) where if your breaks go out is a section of road that’s supposed to stop the vehicle. I don’t know if I am describing it correct
Thankfully there were several pull offs along the road. There was even a huge cable pulley system to catch runaway vehicles 😬 We’re very glad we didn’t have to use it!
you are describing it perfectly Troy they are called runoffs, usually with dirt or sand. Some mountain passes have em, others don't just depends on the area and the state.
We did Teton pass going from Jackson to Idaho in our 2000 F-350 towing our 30' toy hauler. Piece of cake. The V-10 was working, but no big deal for it. Just take it slow and easy, use turn outs to let people get around you and use turn outs on the down hill side if you need to stop and let your brakes cool. Best to just gear down and take your time. I took our 40' diesel pusher over Sonora Pass from Bishop to Sonora. We did it no problem, but never again. I was an idiot to do it.
I swear I saw your bus just outside Grand Teton National Park, June 2. Your had the hood up, I hope it wasn’t more problems. (Just off of Hwy 89). I do enjoy your channel.
Speed is key when going downhill. If you are slower , the brakes don’t have to work as hard to slow you. And lightly drag the brakes rather than repeated hard stabs. Either way. Long grades will eventually put you in that position and you did the best thing. Stop and let the old girl cool off. 15-20 min Delay is faster than pulling it out of a ravine!
They have a t444e with hyd lifters so the engine can't handle an exhaust brake. Combine that with a 545 Allison that has no lock up converter means the bus free wheels down hill and the converter overheats pulling grades . Not one of internationals better set ups.
@@JimmyandNatalie My first time on you You-Tube ,,,,, really well done. Noticed that it seems that you were in the kayak, without PFDs. Cold water is the enemy, if you went swimming. USCG CO2 inflation PFDs are very small, lightweight, easy to wear in any water craft. And is really good insurance. Hoping for a long a fruitful adventures for the both of you. Stay well. Ron
How to drive using the motor to hold you back. Use the brakes hard for 20 second at a time. Slow down and then go with only motor holding you. Then brake for short. Repeat. Gives brakes time to cool.
Hi from the east coast of Canada here in the Maritime. I always carry a laser thermometer to check brake and tire Temps. Usually sell for $40 cad on sale at automotive parts stores. Never let the brakes get hot enough to expand the drums and result in fade.This reduces the ability of the brake shoes to create adequate friction. And can also result in cooking the wheel bearing grease in the hubs. Which can result in tire fires. Really! Great job in stress management travel safe up to Canada. We have mountains here too. Drive on.
Teton Pass can be rough. I went through there 3 years ago in a Jeep and learned to downshift into lower gears. While working my way up the mountain, the Jeep lost power and sounded like it was in asphyxiation gasping for air. I had to pull over and remove the air filter to give it more air. I came from Yellowstone / Teton / Jackson Hole and was working my way to Idaho Falls. I put the air filter back in when I got to Idaho Falls. Another drive where you have to lower gears on the way down is Pikes Peak in Colorado.
I did pikes peak in a rental car 1997. What view and what an awesome road to drive up and down. I had the rental in 2 braking occasionally keeping the speed down. I saw many vehicles pulled over on the side with smoking brakes.
It's fun to see you getting closer to the border. A tip that was helpful to me on previous road trips, when you need a non emergency repair, have the part shipped to a place further down the road. That way you don't have to sit still if you don't want to. I had the tailgate latch on my 4Runner fail in Niagara Falls and picked it up on the way home in Iowa City heading to meet some friends.
The raw awe of the land speaks to those who take the time to stop and soak it all in. The Tetons, Yellowstone & Glacier NP are some of my most serene and sacred places on earth! 💚⛰
The Tetons are one of the most beautiful mountain ranges on the planet. But serene? You must be from New York! Not with three and a half million visitors a year all trying to squeeze into a small town and two or three campgrounds.
Hi guys, I just signed up for the same class as Natalie mentioned in Skillshare. I'll let you know how it goes. I also just ordered two of the same Kayaks that you guys have. I'm in Wyoming, near Cody. I'll be watching for your skoolie!
That’s awesome! I really enjoyed that class, can’t wait to hear what you think of it! 💚😄 And we hope you enjoy your kayaks as well! They’re fun, and we like how little room they take up under our bed 😊
I went to Yellowstone and then my GPS routed me to take Idaho hwy 33 and Teton pass back to Jackson hole. I literally felt like I was gonna died as I go higher with inclines and turns, it was almost 10pm at night and I couldn’t see much. I felt so bad for the driver behind me but couldn’t pullover since it was a single lane and no pullover spots. I was all alone and really thought I was gonna died and be on the next day local front page news. God blessed me that night because somehow I survived the drive.
I saw your bus at Teton visitor center and Chelsea’s bus at Yellowstone general store while I was there. I’m going to purchase a bus in the next few weeks and start converting it. Hopefully to make a trip back out there mid September. Safe travels!!
@@JimmyandNatalie Then the only thing I can think of to help you out a little would be to drain all your tanks to save some weight and to pull over as much as you can safely. Safe travels.
I didn't read through other comments but some mechanical advise.It's better to leave the engine running when you are having high temperatures.As long as a leak didn't cause the high temp the radiator will disapate the heat fastest.Also when going down hill select a lower gear to allow more engine braking.Maintain a slower speed will help the brakes.When climbing choose a gear that doesn't require full throttle application.A slower journey is better for sightseeing anyways.Good luck and hopefully you get to Canada soon.
The Tetons are my favorite place on earth. I see you found the Albertsons in Jackson - the camper’s favorite resupply store. Enjoy your time up there. There is so much beauty surrounding you.
I think you guys are doing an excellent job with all that you're having to put up with and the beautiful scenery that you're looking at I think it's a beautiful memory to have
Jimmy is such a mountain man. Unafraid of bounding from a stable level to the side of a rock and back again. one of your videos comes to mind. He kept climbing up until it looked straight up. Freaked me out.
Going up and down steep inclines with very little experience in a large vehicle is one of my fears.. definitely don't plan on doing it any time soon until I'm much more comfortable. A spare water pump is definitely going to be on my list of must haves, don't want to be without water for days. But wowww. the view of the Teton's is just unreal!!
I am going to teton solo from seattle and I really want to avoid the pass. would you suggest to detour south to Alpine and head north toward Jackson? are 26 and 89 much flatter?
In the future, we would definitely go back through Alpine instead of the pass. It’ll add time and there are still 6% grades, but it’s much better than the long stretches of 10% grades you encounter on the pass. (From our experience, anyway) 😊 Hope this helps! 💚
A spare water pump is always on board with us. The last time I had one go out was Christmas Eve 2020. Having one on hand turned a several day inconvenient into a 15 minute fix. I suggest ordering a spare.
I LOVE the Tetons. I'm just hoping you will always remember it as a positive experience. Remember any trip as long as yours can't always be perfect... and also remember: Just Breathe. PS... what a wonderful thing to meet someone you knew! Those burgers and corn looked like the best!
At this time last year we were in Moose and the Tetons… really enjoyed the time while there got to see a brown bear with her three cubs right outside side the truck window just inside of Yellowstone park way
@@JimmyandNatalie yes it is and seeing the bear cubs was our highlight… ooh while down in Wyoming Pearl got see up close a moose with a calf too … well close was about 300 yrds away
Im so impressed with you two!!! You always rise to the challenge, and take care of business!!! That's an important quality to have, because life is full of never ending challenges!!! Sometimes its so tempting to say i give up, but the only thing THAT gets you is beat up by life. Rising above adversity not only gets the problem solved, but also gives you a sense of confidence and added strength to get you through the next problem, and the next, etc. Life rocks on for our beloved sweet and capable Jimmy and Natalie!!! See you on the next adventure!!! Much love and big fat hugs!!! 🍃🤗🍃
@@JimmyandNatalie Thanks! I just wanted you to know you were missed and cared for. Thanks for answering me. Stay safe and enjoy every minute. Much love to you both. ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏻Jane
As said in other comments, descending a grade in a lower gear is key! Instead of D put it in L2 and let her coast. People behind may stack up but your life and home are more important. Either way, they can't eat ya. Normal rule of thumb for truckers is go down hill in a lower gear than you go up. Safe travels to ya!
Chelsea's bus is cute looking. She was taking care of you guys, seems like an awesome person. Even with shifting down you can build up more speed than you would like, if you can feather the brakes. the parking brake is probably the same brakes in the rear only no front brakes so do not trust it to stop you if you have brake fade. Glad to see Natalie is happy again. Stay safe and healthy.
Funny Story... The Grand Tetons were named by Portuguese explorers way back in 1500 & whatever. The Portuguese speak spanish. The word Teton is spanish for- TEATS. !
Just an FYI Your bus is an automatic transmission , so when going downhill or uphill you can shift that trans into a lower gear with the shift selector that will help slow you down , giving the brakes a break or give you more power , making it easier to climb - Good luck and safe travels . Rick out.
When you are dropping a hill you want to stab break until your within 5 mph of your ideal descent speed (35 mph or so) when the speed increases to 40 you want to stab break.again to get to 35 and repeat. If this is not working trying slowing to a slower drop speed, or hold constant slight pressure on the breaks the whole way down. When you let on and put on breaks constantly that's what gets them hot. Good luck guys! Also I am 3rd generation trucker for my authority on the situation. Save travels!
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@@JimmyandNatalie Well I hope it's nothing major and everyone is happy and healthy. I'll accept healthy, actually, since happiness is such a transient thing 😛 You guys take your time!
There are literally signs right in swan valley that say “truck route” and “Jackson THIS way” to encourage you to avoid Teton pass. Lol. I guess it’s understandable how normal people make the wrong decision there, but we constantly have semi tractor trailers with professional truck drivers making the same bad decision. Which is just inexcusable Also, it seemed like y’all were just riding the break on the way down the pass. If you didn’t, next time make sure to shift into a lower gear. Good luck on your continued adventures! Beautiful footage.
I've seen other vanlifers put a timer switch on their water pump switch then they never needed to worry about remembering to turn it off. For what it's worth. Good luck!
I agree with the comment about shifting down BEFORE you start the descending grade........ don't ever worry about the traffic behind you.......big rigs have to do the same.......love your show !
Use your gears up and down hill guys! If you have to brake going downhill, stab the brakes and slow down quick and then get off the brakes. Being on the brakes just to maintain speed is what gets you to brake fade and then no brakes. If you have 2nd or 3rd gear, use the gear that holds you back the most which should be 2nd or 1st gear. Brakes on heavy vehicles should really only be used the last 20 mph or as an emergency maneuver. Engine braking should be your primary method of slowing down. Be safe guys!
Idaho - known for trout fishing too. Mountain directory East and West will give you a description of road grade conditions, before you travel the route. Everyone must do the Teton Pass someday (we have not), so congratulations you made it. Thanks for taking us along.
Definitely downshift when descending steep grades. Takes the strain off of the brakes. We just got back from vacation in ID and WY. We couldn’t go back over the pass because there was an RV accident involving a rollover and fatality. They were riding their brakes only and even blew pass the runaway arrestor cables when their brakes did give way. I was upset because it was so preventable. They were driving a class A and towing a F-150. You know the truck didn’t have braking under tow. They should have unhitch the pickup and had a passenger drive it separately over the pass. They could have down shifted to save their brakes. And they could have pulled over to let their brakes cool. Kudos to you for at least doing that. Very smart and glad you made it over safely. 10% grades are no joke for heavy vehicles.
Steep grades can always be a bit scary. Cooler heads prevailed and you managed beautifully. Another great on the road experience to have under your belts. The scenery is fantastic there! Love it all. Regards!
Glad you made it out of the pass ok. That is great that you met up with a friend and that place where you were kayaking was just beautiful. At least the water pump was an easy fix even if it was annoying. Thanks for sharing.
Definitely have your brakes inspected. Overheating can cause glazing, cracking and warping thus greatly reducing performance/safety. Low gear and slow speed (25/30 mph) is your friend on steep grades. Never let other drivers dictate your speed.
I did that going down the Idaho side. It was so scarey. I was pulling my horse trailer. We had to be towed back over the pass to Jackson where I had my brakes rebuilt.
If any chance... You should change the transmission from what you have to a better transmission WITH O.D. (Over Drive). Over Drive actually helps your downshift for uphill and down hill travel.
Hi guys, you can buy 12v circuit breakers that plug into your fuse panel. Just so you don't get caught without spares. When they pop you'll need to let them cool a little bit before resetting them. When searching for them look for 'T Tocas Manual Reset Low Profile ATC Circuit Breakers 12V - 32V DC'. I Remember that the fuse will usually pop for one of two reasons to much draw or a short. looking forward to more of your journey.
You have done a terrific job on a limited budget. Although heresy to schoolie adherents, a school bus was probably not designed to be a long-haul, cross-country RV. Teton Pass is a challenge but should not require a stop on the uphill or cause fading & overheated brakes on the downhill. At 25 years old, your bus is past its mechanical prime. By all means continue your adventure, avoid steep passes, and travel as long it does not require significant added investment in repairs. You mentioned in a Q&A video that you might consider a new build in the future. An upgrade to a medium duty commercial truck chassis is an option. It would likely be newer, more reliable, more fuel efficient, with many more safety features at a price that is still a bargain. They can ben be 8.5’ wide, very long, and very spacious. I own 2 and consider them materially superior to schoolies or purpose-built RVs. I would add that (i) a well-chosen supply of onboard tools and (ii) vehicle mechanical skills are invaluable in many situations. For breakdowns or local transportation when overnighting, a truck’s extra storage capacity permits carrying a couple of street legal motorbikes (including small, inexpensive ones like the Honda Navi). Whatever your long-term plans, you have made an excellent start. Enjoy the adventure!
What the ....? Dodgy brakes, smoke everywhere, gotta stop and let the smoking brakes cool down! Jimmy said he didn't think anything was on fire! Natalie used the word 'crazy'. Yes, with respect, crazy it surely is. Dodgy brakes and dodgy electronics can cause fires. As a perfect example, recently a young British couple "Travel Beans" on UA-cam bought a vintage camper van in America in which to tour around. They had it checked by a mechanic, all good. The day before they were to move everything into it and start their journey they were driving it doing errands when smoke started coming up from one side of the van. The guy jumped out and yelled to the girl to get out. She was still in the van with flames underneath it. She managed to get out before the big camper van burst into flames. Horrific, terrifying, fire on the highway. A huge fireball, massive amount of thick black smoke seen for miles. I recommend Jimmy and Natalie watch this video on UA-cam ("Travel Beans"). In my eyes the brakes and electronics on their bus need immediate attention. Heaven forbid anything like that ever happens to them.
That's actually the Snake River and you could've just went around Palisades dam through Alpine to Jackson Hole. It only adds 20 miles but about the same time driving.
Back in the 80s, I was warned about this pass. The guy said that the trip up from Wyoming was tough on a vehicle towing a trailer, but it's the trip downhill that is treacherous! I did it in a GMC 1500 Suburban and the truck did super well. Cool down brakes totally before proceeding.
Teton pass is beautiful ! It is treacherous in the winter ! You could have drove the south route towards Alpine, Wyoming. I live in Bondurant part time now. Hoping to be full-time again soon. You should look into an exhaust brake. It will save your brakes on the mountains and many other times. I'm guessing your bus is an automatic, you can still drop down 1 gear or MacGyver 2 depending on if it's a 4 speed or 6 speed. I've drove the mountains hauling 25,000 lbs with my pick-up. Just a few tips. Your heading north east out of jackson be sure and stop at the restaurant in Dubois and get a piece of pie !! Can remember the name but ask anyone it's a little hole in the wall. My fiancee and I would drive up there just for the pie . Enjoy !
Grand Tetons been there. Very nice. We were in a 40ft RV. Scary at times. I know how you felt Natalie. Lol your meal ....mmmmm you two are funny. It also doesn't matter you had some food. Better than nothing. Shit happens, been there too. We went kayaking a week ago for 3 hours. Soooo nice it's fun. Good exercise also. Be safe. Good luck!
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💯 thank you very much for turning a crappy morning into a wonderful afternoon. From your number one Albuquerque New Mexico supported. And remember your bear spray
💯✌🏽You two are amazing and should feel very lucky you have each other in each other's life🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@archieletsyouknow5508 Aw thanks Archie! 😊
@@JimmyandNatalie 💯 some kind of running competition for mandatory foot massages in the evening between you two👊🏼🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
thank you for sharing your adventures, I find them very interesting.
Down shift, don't use the brakes much they can catch something on fire. Use a DOT 5 synthetic racing brake fluid if you haven't already. You guys are doing great. Safe travels 🌲🌲🌲
Diesels dont react very good to down shifting
As a driver of semi-trucks, downshifting is more than safe with diesel's. It is very wise to do with large vehicles including the bus. It uses the compression of the engine to slow the vehicle. Also, applying the brakes for 5 seconds on and 5 seconds off help to prevent overheating when downshifting doesn't keep the speed all the way down or RPM's of the engine creep too high.
Be sure to search for the downsides of DOT 5 before committing to it. Since it tends to hold tiny air bubbles, you can lose your braking at altitude. And it is a commitment, in that a thorough flush is required -- don't mix DOT 5 and DOT 3 or 4.
I've driven students loaded with suitcase. Please down shift. The hotter they get the less brake. Brake Fad.
@@howardwatts4238 FALSE.
Diesel LOVE being in a lower gear, higher RPM to hold/maintain or atleast fight gravity, as opposed to using brakes......
When running down hill on a long grade, use a lower gear so the engine can provide some braking. Also feather the brakes and don't ride them constantly. You experienced brake fade when they overheated. That can be extremely un-nerving as you still have pedal but the brakes become less effective as they heat up. And yes, it is possible to damage the brake shoes and drums if they overheat too much or too often.
Fix the brakes at the earliest opportunity - Use lower gears for downhill - engine brake - try to pick the gear below "D" best with out riding your brakes.
Severe brake heat will affect wheel bearings & spindles - check bearings and spindles for damage - install new if they are compromised. Same for the rear brakes.
Dude, your information is totally wrong on a diesel engine. The way diesel engine works it doesn't hold back on a downhill unless it's equipped with a jakebrake. It will run away and rev till it blows the engine. Pumping brakes is like fanning a fire. Heat-oxigen, heat-oxigen, heat-oxigen, that is how you make a fire. Go very slow, 10mph or slower, and hold a steady light pressure on the break. At 10% grade, l never did that, but maybe 5mph. Better to take a long time to get there safe and not get killed. Also just pull over and let brakes cool down. Hydrolic breaks are worse than air breaks because boiled fluid puts air in the lines and your brakes are gone then. Brakes that have boiled have to be bled after to get the air out of the lines.
@@tiger7777 Do NOT apply steady pressure on the brakes for long periods of time! That will cause overheating and possible runaway of the bus with brake failure. Use your lower gears to provide maximum engine braking and, if necessary, hard on the brakes to slow down then foot off the brake to let them cool, and repeat, until you get down. Any sign of fade and pull over and let them cool!!!
@@tiger7777 you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I feel dumber just reading the shit you typed
Overheated brakes is a problem. Do you downshift out of high gear so the engine can help slow you down without applying the brakes ???
Yep! We were downshifted all the way to 1st gear
Dry slower, use the weight of vehicle to break you.
Gear now,
The emergency brake uses the same rear shoes that are smoking, so it doesn't help to use it.
Your “emergency “ brake is just the rear brakes, so if rear brakes don’t work it won’t either…. You did good by stopping to let them cool
Emergency brake on a bus like that is more likely a brake on the driveline on the output of the transmission
@@petervaneverdink448 Yep! In our bus it’s connected to the driveline so it’s separate from our hydraulic brakes.
Glad to see y'all are still plugging along! One thing I've found, over the years, was it helps to have a simple status board with red strips for each critical item with a velcro patch at each item and a velcro strip on the board - when you deploy an item (like flipping the pump on) you just move the strip from the patch at the switch and put it on the status board, and when you are ready to go, the status board has all the strips so you don't miss something (return the strip to the patch at the item) - a bit OCD, but it's come in handy many a time when you either stay at one spot for a while or have to get underway quickly!
Thanks for this latest video; very enjoyable to watch. For sure, the cooler weather helped with your uphill engine-overheating situation.
I'm not sure about all the other Canadians who are watching your videos, but I know that I'm getting more excited the closer your Skoolie gets to the 49th Parallel. :)
Oh we are so excited too! The landscape has been changing so much the more we get north so I can’t wait to experience what Alberta has to offer 😄
Look into a "Jake Brake". It turns your diesel into an air compressor which slows your bus without having to use your brakes as much :)
@@EfficientRVer just based on what I see in this video, this bus appears to have an International T444E engine and the Alison 560 automatic. If I’m right on those previous specs, the 560 will have no problem handling the load with a banks exhaust brake or similar system.
Personally if it were me, I’d spend the money to add the exhaust brake, swap to an Alison 2,000 transmission, and change the main computer out for the Ford version so you can get a little more power out of that engine. The international stunts the torque and Hp on that engine in exchange for longevity. But the 7.3 power store is the exact same engine with a higher torque and horsepower output with a lighter transmission behind it.
Pretty cool idea these schoolies are.
Omg. Idaho is SO MUCH MORE than potatoes. You missing a huge chunk of the most beautiful parts.
"It felt dangerously close to camping" 🤣 I feel that. hahaha Seriously though, your guys' abilities to tell a great story as it unfolds, make anything interesting, AND have great videography skills. 👌
I can sympathize. I towed my little camper over Teton Pass last year, and even with down-shifting the brakes on my van were unhappy by the time I was down on the Wyoming side.
Yeah we definitely overestimated the 10% incline 😅 We’ve done 8% before and managed but the Teton Pass was on another level!
Good riving Jimmy. Keep the old bus in the best running order possible, as you take on the mountain passes. The stress is real, smoke from the brakes will test the stress levels of the most experienced of drivers. Well done Jimmy. I will drink a beer in your honor later today as I recall my first journey through those passes. You guys make a great team. I think this was a great video. Thank you for sharing.
Hey thanks Steve 😄 It was definitely a test we did not think we were taking when we woke up that day. We had gone down 8% grades before but severely underestimated the 10% on the Teton Pass! 😅
I agree. I took my 64 though Sherman pass. Carb iced 2 gr for days
Streeeessss. No smoke but fade.
Had municipal brake pads What a trip
"It has to be okay, it can't not be" - such a mood lmao, gotta stay positive! That fox was beautiful, I love how you guys show all the critters!
Haha, thanks! I (Natalie) always get super excited when I see wildlife, so I love capturing it on camera when we can! 😄
I have to say that I watch the videos not just for the places you go but more for seeing both of you laugh through every day life! 😉
We love following you guys! Please get some life jackets or life bands, especially with using inflatable kayaks.
I think Jimmy Island is too small for both of you!
I live right on the Idaho side of the pass! It can be real scary. If the weathers not great or we’re in our van we’ll take a 20 minute detour and go through swan valley and around and come into Jackson from the south end and avoid the pass all together. 🙌🏼🙌🏼
So glad you made it and that the brakes cooled down! You might want to invest in paper plates, bowls, plastic spoons, and forks. You can open up a can of spaghetti, vegetables, pasta, etc. And warm it in the microwave, no mess, no dishes, just a thought 😉 thank you for letting us into your lives ❤ 🥰
Thanks! 💚 We ended up buying some disposable bowls as a backup option while all this was going on 😊
I have seen water pumps in RV's that have been replaced several times. USUALLY the problem isnt the motor, it's the contacts burning up. I am doing my own bus conversion and when the pump arrived I modified it. I had a 12 volt relay in my toolbox and cut the wire going to the motor and attached a wire from the hot wire coming to the pump and wired the relay so that the relay is turning the power to the motor on and off and is activated by the wire that normally does that. So the points in the pump are only turning the relay on and off and the relay is handling the higher current of the motor.
I can just imagine the fear you guys were feeling. Do you know if that road has run offs (I think that’s what there called) where if your breaks go out is a section of road that’s supposed to stop the vehicle. I don’t know if I am describing it correct
Thankfully there were several pull offs along the road. There was even a huge cable pulley system to catch runaway vehicles 😬 We’re very glad we didn’t have to use it!
you are describing it perfectly Troy they are called runoffs, usually with dirt or sand. Some mountain passes have em, others don't just depends on the area and the state.
We did Teton pass going from Jackson to Idaho in our 2000 F-350 towing our 30' toy hauler. Piece of cake. The V-10 was working, but no big deal for it. Just take it slow and easy, use turn outs to let people get around you and use turn outs on the down hill side if you need to stop and let your brakes cool. Best to just gear down and take your time. I took our 40' diesel pusher over Sonora Pass from Bishop to Sonora. We did it no problem, but never again. I was an idiot to do it.
I swear I saw your bus just outside Grand Teton National Park, June 2. Your had the hood up, I hope it wasn’t more problems. (Just off of Hwy 89). I do enjoy your channel.
Speed is key when going downhill. If you are slower , the brakes don’t have to work as hard to slow you. And lightly drag the brakes rather than repeated hard stabs. Either way. Long grades will eventually put you in that position and you did the best thing. Stop and let the old girl cool off. 15-20 min Delay is faster than pulling it out of a ravine!
Someone else may have mentioned it before BUT, have you considered installing an engine brake ? Would help a lot if you are in the mountains a lot.
They have a t444e with hyd lifters so the engine can't handle an exhaust brake. Combine that with a 545 Allison that has no lock up converter means the bus free wheels down hill and the converter overheats pulling grades . Not one of internationals better set ups.
I love he way you all just go with the flow (or without it in this case) when things turn sideways. See you next week!
Thanks Patti! 😄 We’ll see you next week! 💚
@@JimmyandNatalie My first time on you You-Tube ,,,,, really well done. Noticed that it seems that you were in the kayak, without PFDs. Cold water is the enemy, if you went swimming. USCG CO2 inflation PFDs are very small, lightweight, easy to wear in any water craft. And is really good insurance. Hoping for a long a fruitful adventures for the both of you. Stay well. Ron
Do you have a pressurized accumulator tank ? If you do your pump should not be constantly running.
How to drive using the motor to hold you back. Use the brakes hard for 20 second at a time. Slow down and then go with only motor holding you. Then brake for short. Repeat. Gives brakes time to cool.
Hi from the east coast of Canada here in the Maritime. I always carry a laser thermometer to check brake and tire Temps. Usually sell for $40 cad on sale at automotive parts stores. Never let the brakes get hot enough to expand the drums and result in fade.This reduces the ability of the brake shoes to create adequate friction. And can also result in cooking the wheel bearing grease in the hubs. Which can result in tire fires. Really!
Great job in stress management travel safe up to Canada. We have mountains here too. Drive on.
EMERGENCY BRAKE IS NOT EMERGENCY BUT FOR PARKING ONLY
Teton Pass can be rough. I went through there 3 years ago in a Jeep and learned to downshift into lower gears.
While working my way up the mountain, the Jeep lost power and sounded like it was in asphyxiation gasping for air. I had to pull over and remove the air filter to give it more air. I came from Yellowstone / Teton / Jackson Hole and was working my way to Idaho Falls. I put the air filter back in when I got to Idaho Falls.
Another drive where you have to lower gears on the way down is Pikes Peak in Colorado.
I did pikes peak in a rental car 1997. What view and what an awesome road to drive up and down. I had the rental in 2 braking occasionally keeping the speed down. I saw many vehicles pulled over on the side with smoking brakes.
It's fun to see you getting closer to the border. A tip that was helpful to me on previous road trips, when you need a non emergency repair, have the part shipped to a place further down the road. That way you don't have to sit still if you don't want to. I had the tailgate latch on my 4Runner fail in Niagara Falls and picked it up on the way home in Iowa City heading to meet some friends.
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The raw awe of the land speaks to those who take the time to stop and soak it all in. The Tetons, Yellowstone & Glacier NP are some of my most serene and sacred places on earth! 💚⛰
The Tetons are one of the most beautiful mountain ranges on the planet. But serene? You must be from New York! Not with three and a half million visitors a year all trying to squeeze into a small town and two or three campgrounds.
Hi guys, I just signed up for the same class as Natalie mentioned in Skillshare. I'll let you know how it goes. I also just ordered two of the same Kayaks that you guys have. I'm in Wyoming, near Cody. I'll be watching for your skoolie!
That’s awesome! I really enjoyed that class, can’t wait to hear what you think of it! 💚😄 And we hope you enjoy your kayaks as well! They’re fun, and we like how little room they take up under our bed 😊
I went to Yellowstone and then my GPS routed me to take Idaho hwy 33 and Teton pass back to Jackson hole. I literally felt like I was gonna died as I go higher with inclines and turns, it was almost 10pm at night and I couldn’t see much. I felt so bad for the driver behind me but couldn’t pullover since it was a single lane and no pullover spots. I was all alone and really thought I was gonna died and be on the next day local front page news. God blessed me that night because somehow I survived the drive.
I saw your bus at Teton visitor center and Chelsea’s bus at Yellowstone general store while I was there. I’m going to purchase a bus in the next few weeks and start converting it. Hopefully to make a trip back out there mid September.
Safe travels!!
We enjoyed watching, from 🇨🇦🍁 as always. Very impressive improvements.
Thank you! 😊💚
You need to use the gear selector and down shift the bus on those down grades to help save the brakes please be safe.
Yep we were downshifted all the way to 1st gear!
@@JimmyandNatalie Then the only thing I can think of to help you out a little would be to drain all your tanks to save some weight and to pull over as much as you can safely. Safe travels.
It doesn't have a two speed rearend.
I didn't read through other comments but some mechanical advise.It's better to leave the engine running when you are having high temperatures.As long as a leak didn't cause the high temp the radiator will disapate the heat fastest.Also when going down hill select a lower gear to allow more engine braking.Maintain a slower speed will help the brakes.When climbing choose a gear that doesn't require full throttle application.A slower journey is better for sightseeing anyways.Good luck and hopefully you get to Canada soon.
The Tetons are my favorite place on earth. I see you found the Albertsons in Jackson - the camper’s favorite resupply store. Enjoy your time up there. There is so much beauty surrounding you.
I think you guys are doing an excellent job with all that you're having to put up with and the beautiful scenery that you're looking at I think it's a beautiful memory to have
Jimmy is such a mountain man. Unafraid of bounding from a stable level to the side of a rock and back again. one of your videos comes to mind. He kept climbing up until it looked straight up. Freaked me out.
He really is! He keeps me on my toes! 😅
Going up and down steep inclines with very little experience in a large vehicle is one of my fears.. definitely don't plan on doing it any time soon until I'm much more comfortable. A spare water pump is definitely going to be on my list of must haves, don't want to be without water for days. But wowww. the view of the Teton's is just unreal!!
Are you going to get breaks checked out
Yes! We had them checked out by a mechanic in Jackson, and he said they were good to go 👍
So glad you are safe
You may consider obtaining a switch for the water pump that light up when it’s on.
ok to me you are camping!! just this time with no clean water you were boondocking! you to are such a cute couple! God bless ❤️ prayers ❤️
Haha thanks 😊 We definitely did not realize what luxury a little water pump could bring us before this 😂
I am going to teton solo from seattle and I really want to avoid the pass. would you suggest to detour south to Alpine and head north toward Jackson? are 26 and 89 much flatter?
In the future, we would definitely go back through Alpine instead of the pass. It’ll add time and there are still 6% grades, but it’s much better than the long stretches of 10% grades you encounter on the pass. (From our experience, anyway) 😊 Hope this helps! 💚
Grand Tetons are one of the most beautiful places in the US. Sorry you had such a rough start to this part of your journey
A spare water pump is always on board with us. The last time I had one go out was Christmas Eve 2020. Having one on hand turned a several day inconvenient into a 15 minute fix. I suggest ordering a spare.
I LOVE the Tetons. I'm just hoping you will always remember it as a positive experience. Remember any trip as long as yours can't always be perfect... and also remember: Just Breathe. PS... what a wonderful thing to meet someone you knew! Those burgers and corn looked like the best!
Do you have to go back the same way? you were lucky nothing happened to the bus please go careful sue
Thanks! 💚 And thankfully there’s an alternate route to the south that we will definitely be using next time 😄
At this time last year we were in Moose and the Tetons… really enjoyed the time while there got to see a brown bear with her three cubs right outside side the truck window just inside of Yellowstone park way
The Tetons are so beautiful, it’s almost hard to believe they’re real. We would LOVE to see a brown bear …from a safe distance of course! 😄
@@JimmyandNatalie yes it is and seeing the bear cubs was our highlight… ooh while down in Wyoming Pearl got see up close a moose with a calf too … well close was about 300 yrds away
Im so impressed with you two!!! You always rise to the challenge, and take care of business!!! That's an important quality to have, because life is full of never ending challenges!!! Sometimes its so tempting to say i give up, but the only thing THAT gets you is beat up by life. Rising above adversity not only gets the problem solved, but also gives you a sense of confidence and added strength to get you through the next problem, and the next, etc.
Life rocks on for our beloved sweet and capable Jimmy and Natalie!!!
See you on the next adventure!!!
Much love and big fat hugs!!!
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Thanks so much Donna!! 😊💚
Not sure how to do it but we subscribers should all chip in some $ so Natalie and Jimmy can buy a grill
They have a patron that directly supports the channel!
Just checking in to make sure y'all are OK. Wed.June 15,2022. Much love, Jane in SC❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Hi Jane! Yes we’re okay! 😊 We should be posting a video in the next 1-2 days explaining where we’ve been and what’s going on!
@@JimmyandNatalie Thanks! I just wanted you to know you were missed and cared for. Thanks for answering me. Stay safe and enjoy every minute. Much love to you both. ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏻Jane
Great video. Nice to see that you both didn’t get to STRESSED, Jimmy knows how to keep his cool behind the wheel. SAFE TRAVELS 👍🏼
As said in other comments, descending a grade in a lower gear is key! Instead of D put it in L2 and let her coast. People behind may stack up but your life and home are more important. Either way, they can't eat ya. Normal rule of thumb for truckers is go down hill in a lower gear than you go up.
Safe travels to ya!
Wire in a red light in the circut of the pump switch somewhere noticeably visible that turns on when the pump is on.
Or swap the on/off switch for a timer switch like in hotel bathrooms. That way the pump is guaranteed to turn off...
Good video, thank you! If you find yourself forgetting to turn off the water pump, you might consider using a timer instead of an on/off switch.
That was scary! You handled it very well! Safe travels 🙏 ❤️ 🤗 😊
Thank you! 💚
Chelsea's bus is cute looking. She was taking care of you guys, seems like an awesome person. Even with shifting down you can build up more speed than you would like, if you can feather the brakes. the parking brake is probably the same brakes in the rear only no front brakes so do not trust it to stop you if you have brake fade. Glad to see Natalie is happy again. Stay safe and healthy.
Funny Story...
The Grand Tetons were named by Portuguese explorers
way back in 1500 & whatever. The Portuguese speak spanish.
The word Teton is spanish for-
TEATS.
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Keep your heads up and role with the punches!!!! You friend look like she had a nice bus 🚌 2!!! See you next week ❤️ from pa
Just an FYI Your bus is an automatic transmission , so when going downhill or uphill you can shift that trans into a lower gear with the shift selector that will help slow you down , giving the brakes a break or give you more power , making it easier to climb - Good luck and safe travels . Rick out.
We were so surprised about Idaho, it was so beautiful.
We were shocked too! 😄
When you are dropping a hill you want to stab break until your within 5 mph of your ideal descent speed (35 mph or so) when the speed increases to 40 you want to stab break.again to get to 35 and repeat. If this is not working trying slowing to a slower drop speed, or hold constant slight pressure on the breaks the whole way down. When you let on and put on breaks constantly that's what gets them hot. Good luck guys! Also I am 3rd generation trucker for my authority on the situation. Save travels!
Never ride the brake unless you want to ruin them. Intermittent braking only on downhill.
@@santini1953 except when you can't maintain your proper descent speed...
That goes without saying does it not? Lol
@@santini1953 have a good day bud
Hey, you guys okay? A couple days overdue on a video, so we thought we might check in.
Sorry we’re running late this week! We’re working through something at the moment and will upload as soon as we can! We posted an update on our UA-cam Community tab. Thanks for thinking of us! 💚
@@JimmyandNatalie Well I hope it's nothing major and everyone is happy and healthy. I'll accept healthy, actually, since happiness is such a transient thing 😛 You guys take your time!
There are literally signs right in swan valley that say “truck route” and “Jackson THIS way” to encourage you to avoid Teton pass. Lol. I guess it’s understandable how normal people make the wrong decision there, but we constantly have semi tractor trailers with professional truck drivers making the same bad decision. Which is just inexcusable
Also, it seemed like y’all were just riding the break on the way down the pass. If you didn’t, next time make sure to shift into a lower gear.
Good luck on your continued adventures! Beautiful footage.
I've seen other vanlifers put a timer switch on their water pump switch then they never needed to worry about remembering to turn it off. For what it's worth. Good luck!
Another challenge met and conquered. Great video even with your concerns.
Keep up the good work and keep being awesome!
That was so cool that you got see a moose and a fox. I am glad you are okay and safe. That was so nice of your friend to make dinner for you guys.
Thanks! It’s hard to beat wildlife sightings, and spending time with good friends! 😄💚
I agree with the comment about shifting down BEFORE you start the descending grade........ don't ever worry about the traffic behind you.......big rigs have to do the same.......love your show !
Use your gears up and down hill guys! If you have to brake going downhill, stab the brakes and slow down quick and then get off the brakes. Being on the brakes just to maintain speed is what gets you to brake fade and then no brakes. If you have 2nd or 3rd gear, use the gear that holds you back the most which should be 2nd or 1st gear. Brakes on heavy vehicles should really only be used the last 20 mph or as an emergency maneuver. Engine braking should be your primary method of slowing down. Be safe guys!
Keep your foot off the brakes, you will have to have them inspected before doing that again.
Be the smart thing to do after getting them that hot.
Idaho - known for trout fishing too. Mountain directory East and West will give you a description of road grade conditions, before you travel the route. Everyone must do the Teton Pass someday (we have not), so congratulations you made it. Thanks for taking us along.
Don’t forget the National Reactor Testing Station and battleship BIG gun testing
Definitely downshift when descending steep grades. Takes the strain off of the brakes.
We just got back from vacation in ID and WY. We couldn’t go back over the pass because there was an RV accident involving a rollover and fatality. They were riding their brakes only and even blew pass the runaway arrestor cables when their brakes did give way.
I was upset because it was so preventable. They were driving a class A and towing a F-150. You know the truck didn’t have braking under tow. They should have unhitch the pickup and had a passenger drive it separately over the pass. They could have down shifted to save their brakes. And they could have pulled over to let their brakes cool. Kudos to you for at least doing that. Very smart and glad you made it over safely. 10% grades are no joke for heavy vehicles.
You need to reign him in. You guys are so funny. Good luck with the rest of the trip.
Steep grades can always be a bit scary. Cooler heads prevailed and you managed beautifully. Another great on the road experience to have under your belts. The scenery is fantastic there! Love it all. Regards!
Glad you made it out of the pass ok. That is great that you met up with a friend and that place where you were kayaking was just beautiful. At least the water pump was an easy fix even if it was annoying. Thanks for sharing.
Oh man, I've had hot brakes but not smoking. Still took me like three hours to cool.
Safe travels! And always learn from mistakes.
Should get a Montana 750i with Inreach, it’s been a life saver to many ppl. It worked well for me in Teton an Yellowstone.
HELLO.
Another great Video guys
Thank you!! 😄
Did I see your bus parked in Pinedale Wyoming at the Wrangler Café? Or was it just one that looked like yours?
Definitely have your brakes inspected. Overheating can cause glazing, cracking and warping thus greatly reducing performance/safety. Low gear and slow speed (25/30 mph) is your friend on steep grades. Never let other drivers dictate your speed.
I am glad you love my great Idahome! Thanks for visiting.
Down shift and use the good old engine brake... You shouldn't need hardly any brakes after downshifting..
I did that going down the Idaho side. It was so scarey. I was pulling my horse trailer. We had to be towed back over the pass to Jackson where I had my brakes rebuilt.
If any chance... You should change the transmission from what you have to a better transmission WITH O.D. (Over Drive). Over Drive actually helps your downshift for uphill and down hill travel.
With all those rivers why don’t you take up fishing . Fresh trout hmmmm
Hi guys, you can buy 12v circuit breakers that plug into your fuse panel. Just so you don't get caught without spares. When they pop you'll need to let them cool a little bit before resetting them. When searching for them look for 'T Tocas Manual Reset Low Profile ATC Circuit Breakers 12V - 32V DC'. I Remember that the fuse will usually pop for one of two reasons to much draw or a short. looking forward to more of your journey.
You have done a terrific job on a limited budget. Although heresy to schoolie adherents, a school bus was probably not designed to be a long-haul, cross-country RV. Teton Pass is a challenge but should not require a stop on the uphill or cause fading & overheated brakes on the downhill. At 25 years old, your bus is past its mechanical prime. By all means continue your adventure, avoid steep passes, and travel as long it does not require significant added investment in repairs. You mentioned in a Q&A video that you might consider a new build in the future. An upgrade to a medium duty commercial truck chassis is an option. It would likely be newer, more reliable, more fuel efficient, with many more safety features at a price that is still a bargain. They can ben be 8.5’ wide, very long, and very spacious. I own 2 and consider them materially superior to schoolies or purpose-built RVs. I would add that (i) a well-chosen supply of onboard tools and (ii) vehicle mechanical skills are invaluable in many situations. For breakdowns or local transportation when overnighting, a truck’s extra storage capacity permits carrying a couple of street legal motorbikes (including small, inexpensive ones like the Honda Navi). Whatever your long-term plans, you have made an excellent start. Enjoy the adventure!
What the ....? Dodgy brakes, smoke everywhere, gotta stop and let the smoking brakes cool down! Jimmy said he didn't think anything was on fire!
Natalie used the word 'crazy'. Yes, with respect, crazy it surely is. Dodgy brakes and dodgy electronics can cause fires. As a perfect example, recently a young British couple "Travel Beans" on UA-cam bought a vintage camper van in America in which to tour around. They had it checked by a mechanic, all good. The day before they were to move everything into it and start their journey they were driving it doing errands when smoke started coming up from one side of the van. The guy jumped out and yelled to the girl to get out. She was still in the van with flames underneath it. She managed to get out before the big camper van burst into flames. Horrific, terrifying, fire on the highway. A huge fireball, massive amount of thick black smoke seen for miles. I recommend Jimmy and Natalie watch this video on UA-cam ("Travel Beans").
In my eyes the brakes and electronics on their bus need immediate attention. Heaven forbid anything like that ever happens to them.
Walmart has some nice, small propane grills. Get yourself one. Be safe guys......we love your vids...
That's actually the Snake River and you could've just went around Palisades dam through Alpine to Jackson Hole. It only adds 20 miles but about the same time driving.
Back in the 80s, I was warned about this pass. The guy said that the trip up from Wyoming was tough on a vehicle towing a trailer, but it's the trip downhill that is treacherous! I did it in a GMC 1500 Suburban and the truck did super well. Cool down brakes totally before proceeding.
Teton pass is beautiful ! It is treacherous in the winter ! You could have drove the south route towards Alpine, Wyoming. I live in Bondurant part time now. Hoping to be full-time again soon. You should look into an exhaust brake. It will save your brakes on the mountains and many other times. I'm guessing your bus is an automatic, you can still drop down 1 gear or MacGyver 2 depending on if it's a 4 speed or 6 speed.
I've drove the mountains hauling 25,000 lbs with my pick-up. Just a few tips. Your heading north east out of jackson be sure and stop at the restaurant in Dubois and get a piece of pie !! Can remember the name but ask anyone it's a little hole in the wall. My fiancee and I would drive up there just for the pie . Enjoy !
Don't tell people Idaho is beautiful. Because now it's changing. And now getting trashed.
Saw your bus on the pass. Really cool bus.
Grand Tetons been there. Very nice. We were in a 40ft RV. Scary at times. I know how you felt Natalie.
Lol your meal ....mmmmm you two are funny. It also doesn't matter you had some food. Better than nothing. Shit happens, been there too.
We went kayaking a week ago for 3 hours. Soooo nice it's fun. Good exercise also. Be safe. Good luck!
When driving in the mountains you should slow the bus by gearing down....then just tap your brakes.....