Install Raid FREE ✅ IOS: clcr.me/hepw0O ✅ ANDROID: clcr.me/PoGWpq ✅ PC: clcr.me/PUoVYy and get a special starter pack 💥Available only for the next 30 days
@victorperez someordinary gamer said his offer was 10k..he also said that was on low end and for a content creator who bashes the product to get 10 stacks...well I say pay me 4 and I'll go gorilla campaign door to door covid or not
Something to remember, Buu killed lots of Kais before he was in the egg. The Supreme Kai we know is a rookie / in training Kai that was left with the mantle.
@@mikechael7866 Makes you wonder what Beerus would do if he found out Goku was threatening to blast Supreme Kai at the tournament (right before Buu was released)
At one point there was four supreme kais and grand supreme kai. Are they linked at all? Just curious because that is another gaping hole in the story line.
@@Nxtymg kinda odd though,if he killed the Gods of destruction and Kais wouldn't the angels,and xeno notice it before the time travel issue Ik it's an anime,but the logic in that part was missing
Lol yeah if he was what Beerus is now then Buu would have gotten raped and he also wouldn't be able to interfere in mortal affairs. Zamasu oddly enough is stronger than probably fat Buu or Kid Buu. He was keeping up with DBS Goku in hand to hand. I think U7 Supreme Kai needs to train
I actually really like Supreme Kai. He is no weakling! The thing is that combat is NOT his thing. Yeah he pretty much sucks at his job but he is not without potential of being amazingly useful (he just isn't when we need him).
Yeah, it's not his fault all of those who would be supposed to train him died. That's why he also doesn't know much stuff. Luckily for him Old Kai being back gives him a chance to learn and allow this universe to not be miles behind the others, at least a chance. Cuz if not any following Supreme Kai will also be as weak and ignorant as him, not due to anyone but Bibidi's fault.
This guy was the biggest disappointment I thought he would be really strong when I first saw him. Then during his fight with Buu he literally does NOTHING. It looked like he was going to fire a few big ki blasts and all he does is make a little wind. Pathetic.
We can assume he's weaker than Cell because he is implied to be weaker than Dabura. So it makes sense him being around the same level as a full powered Super Saiyan from the Cell saga.
I think Seth or chuck made a point of saying that the Supreme Kai's plan was for himself to fight Dabura though. He wasn't expecting the saiyans to go with him, or fight all the battles, or be as strong as they are.
Well in Future Trunk's timeline he did die and therefore so did Beerus and Whis returned back and that's why Trump timeline got ran through by Goku Black and Zamasu
Now that I think of it, we never got to see how strong the fusion of Supreme Kai and Kabito were. I wouldn't say Vegito level but they definitely had to be up there somewhere.
True especially with the master-student bond and then the fact Potara is for Kai's not to mention that the two never trained and could already clap Freeza
I personally think that he is about as strong as super Vegeta when he fought against semi-perfect cell, because of how amazed he was how strong base Goku, Gohan and Vegeta were.
goku6843 if he was as strong as super vegeta, Buu arc super namekian piccolo (stronger than cell arc) wouldn’t have batted an eye at the supreme kai’s presence.
@@tomc8829 well I don't think that piccolo was scared of supreme Kai's raw power but rather his Devine position. Also I don't think that piccolo in the buu saga is weaker than mastered super saiyan Goku during the cell games.
Nah, he was just nerfed dirty, they originally had him way stronger than that, and I mean WAAAAAY stronger, I'm literally talking up there with Majin Buu himself, but as the episodes progressed they kept nerfing him and nerfing him and adding more nerf to the nerf, until they finally just completely changed his entire personality from this badass mastermind that he was initially who was so strong he could completely overpower SSJ2 Gohan with pretty much zero difficulty to this whiny wimpy acting little bitch who is scared of Pui Pui who btw couldn't even touch base Vegeta, now that is one heck of a nerf.
@@goku6843 he was amazed not because of that. He was amazed that humans had power relative to that of gods. He probably wouldve came to earth a lot sooner if he knew that
I remember how CREEPY Supreme Kai seemed when I first saw him, in the English version. The Faulconer music that went along with him, and Piccolo’s and Goku’s initial conversations with him, were just eerie. That slow smile he gives Goku upon shaking his hand... but then once they enter Babidi’s ship, all his mystique went out the window.
Yeah he had the viewers shook too lol. And then he went back to constantly yelling about YOU SAIYANS ARE INSANE! THERES NO WAY TO BEAT BUU!!!! AHHHHH Though I did give him points for attempting to (and getting clapped) stop Buu after he hatched. He didn't back down.
4:50 Another reason he could have backed down is, what else would he do? Kill Goku, and lose the strongest warrior on his side? Knock out Goku so Vegeta can attack him since he can't fight Goku now? Not saying Kai is stronger, just that there are other reasons.
This kinda contradicts itself cause if he was strong enough to knock out goku then he would deffently be able to take down vegeta to, like he restrained gohan at ss2, if he was that powerful he could have knocked out all of them and transported them to the land of the Kais for example to get them out of the way so he could take on babidi and dabura by himself, the supreme kais physical power is just above a ss1 level to be accurate
Stated to be able to clap Freeza's cheeks and able to make planet's- but his job so far has been far from satisfaction- as in Super we hear only 28 planets in Universe 7 have life or advanced civilisation on them.
I still can't believe that 28 inhavited planets thing, it makes the universe sound like its the size of a single galaxy, and it sort of contradicts earlier lore. Frieza's empire alone had to have ruled more than 20 races, and there was a resistance to his rule. Not to mention the various races among the galactic patrol, and in their prisoners.
@@antoineford6883 yeah that comment was busted now that i read it back my main point was i think supreme kai was between perfect cell and super perfect cell
6:17 that’s my favorite outfit for Gohan. I know it only shows up for like ten minutes total out of the whole entire series, but I don’t really care, I still like it. It’s the only outfit that’s actually HIS, it’s his own original outfit, he made it and put it together himself. Even the Saiyaman outfit was technically made by Bulma. Unpopular opinion, maybe, but I don’t care it’s still my fav.
Jiren. Destructo disks and ki landmines were crazy. Not to mention fucking riding along/protecting himself from Jiren's multi-stream type attack with ki on both his hands and feet.
Destroyers need to be powerful fighters, to quote King Kai "kind of a job requirement". Creators don't really need to fight but need other abilities destroyers wouldn't need to have. Shin can travel across the multiverse instantly, WHIS can't even do that. I think of the Supreme Kais the same way as the manga is now showing the Yardrats, not being necessarily strong but having insane abilities.
If I had to guess, I'd say he's as strong as Vegeta before Cell games. As for Piccolo, I agree with you; less struck by Supreme Kai's strength, but more so his status, who he knows, and the fact that some reason, the gods are getting involved with mortal affairs.
I wish they would show just how awesome Kais are. I wish that they showed their true potential outshines or rivals Saiyans in more than one way. It would be cool to have Shin return to that calm, cool guy he was back then. Not even Beerus can truly rattle him! That's how gifted and calm he is in his view of who he is and why. It just doesn't make sense why he isn't. I just dont get that.
I hope they make him step up some. He does have potential. Imagine him going into the time chamber with whis and/or beerus. Keep in mind he can live for an ungodly amount of time, a few weeks in the chamber with really good teachers would do him wonders.
I've always find it funny that the GoD's don't seem that concerned with their Supreme Kai's protection considering their lives are linked. Supreme Kai's get not bodyguard or teacher. I would think they'd want the Angels to teach them both.
@@quicklyform5162 You can call it that, but it's still the same question. He's fucked up a lot as a saiyan in terms of rationality. With Vegeta he was too fight-loving saiyan, too saiyan to kill Frieza when he easily had the chance. Letting Majin Vegeta get his fight instead of just going ssj3 after a minute and putting him to bed like a baby, shit.
I have to try S Kai and Kibitokai in Tenkaichi 3 to know their abilities. Also the translation for that guide is "The Legendary Manga" He'd be called "El Kai Supremo" in Spanish also. Nice video though,interesting
5:52 it's litterally the opposite You need next to nothing to destroy things but to create them is actually difficult Hammer (Napalm if you wanna be overkill) on ice = no ice To make ice you need to combine and or create 2 hydrogen atoms with an oxygen atom a few septillion times then cool it down so it's frozen And Beerus has never been shown capable of creating anything like the supreme kais
He's definitely stronger than Mecha Frieza. His power can be scaled between the Android Saga & Perfect Cell Saga. Somewhere between Android 17 to Perfect Cell.
I haven't seen it recently. But the kaioshin was only vaguely surprised by Gohan's power. Like I remember him thinking and mentioning that it was kinda hard to hold him. But he wasn't all that taken aback. He might be perfect cell level. Or even Super perfect Cell level.
I really liked his design! At the time when he was introduced it was really interesting and kinda unique to him. Seeing new characters with cool designs was one of the best part of dragon ball Z. Something that Super doesn't have to that extent. Beerus and Whis are problaby two exceptions
Geekdom can you do a power scaling on the grand supreme Ki the one Boo absorb. He supposed to be as strong or close to evil boo & he's the orginal supreme ki & does he have the connection to beerus
Base goku=1 Goku ssj3=400 Kid buu=400 (a bit less) South supreme kai = 400 (more or less) Kid buu with south kai absorbed (buff buu)=800 Grand supreme kai = x Buff buu + grand supreme kai = fat innocent buu = 800 + x (although he can’t use all of this power because of the grand supreme kai’s personality, so he is weaker than goku ssj3, so around 250) Superbuu = fat innocent buu=800+x Superbuu = gotenks ssj3 If goku base=1, then Base goten and trunks= 0,1 Goten and trunks ssj1= 5 Gotenks base = goten ssj + trunks ssj = 10 Gotenks ssj3 = 4000 Super buu=4000=800+x Therefore x=3200 That is the power of the grand supreme kai. Much stronger than ssj3 goku but not as strong as ssj3 gotenks
Makaioshin Ramdz Basically all of those are baseless, except for the ssj multipliers. Fat Buu being equal to Super Buu aside, it completely falls apart when you say fusion = ssj + ssj. By that logic: Vegito = 100(SSJ Goku + SSJ Vegeta) Super Vegito = 5,000 Super Buu = 4,000 Super Buu + Piccolo + Trunks + Goten + Ultimate Gohan(above 4,000) = 8,000+ Therefore Super Vegito < Buuhan. Unless you say the "rival boost" that Elder Kai mentions is at least a 2x multiplier, which is absurd(and would still place Buuhan too close to Super Vegito anyways).
Well, Zamasu was a Supreme Kai on his Saga and was pretty powerfull, so i'll be like Goku now: ~> If The 7th Universe's Supreme Kai train a bit, he may be stronger, he is a god so i guess his powers can grow really fast, not to mention he (surelly) may be able to use Kaio Ken. Great video dude.
i've always hated how the Supreme Kai's character was written. He should've been an awesome, mysterious, and powerful being. Awesome not only in strength but also knowledge. they ruined his character.
Then* Probably... So much potential tho Tapion from the movie shouldn't exist They should use the supreme Kai and the trunks sword being the z sword would be a much consistent and interesting story
I find it weird that to defeat a god of destruction, all you have to do is kill the supreme Kai, who is significantly weaker. If Frieza wanted to kill Beerus all he would have to do is kill the supreme kai.
Geeky, very good job on the video. One comment though, Shin already knew about Goku's ability to turn into SSJ2. There was that brief moment where he did it against Yakon, which was in fact the trigger for Vegeta to turn to Babidi for help. If Shin can hold SSJ2 Gohan down, I doubt SSJ1 Goku can take him out with a single ki blast. I would place him somewhere between SSJ1 and 2 Goku. He probably just felt threatend that Goku might escalate things and wipe him out easily, which he was more than capable of doing.
I think slightly above Full Power SSJ1 makes sense. As far as freezing Gohan, Vegeta says he's not as powerful as when he fought cell later on in the Buu saga, so I think it wasn't so much magic or that he was stronger than SSJ2, just Gohan's SSJ2 was really weak at that point. Meanwhile Goku and Vegeta were not only using SSJ2, they were pushing the limits of the form at the time. For scaling sake I think slightly above SSJ but just below SSJ2 is a good ball park.
Aside from Zamasu, the Supreme Kais don't seem to be fighters. But I think he's actually stronger than Perfect Cell, and obviously weaker than Majin Buu. One of the very reasons why Supreme Kai got involved in mortal affairs is because he knew that Majin Buu was being revived and that Majin Buu was one of the first known mortals who was strong enough to kill deities such as himself. If Cell was actually stronger than Supreme Kai, then he possibly would have made an appearance much sooner in the DBZ series, as the threat of his existence would have been on the line.
I'm not really sure why people crap on Supreme Kai. Yes he clearly miscalculated how powerful the Saiyans were, and probably should have kept a better eye out on that galaxy, but he was doing a much better job than Beerus ever did. Shin was doing the best he could, as the role of Grand Supreme Kai was kind of forced on him, so he wasn't really experienced yet. Shin is the one who at least tried to stop Buu. Generally Supreme Kais aren't supposed to interfere very much, unless they are attacked or they are dealing with universal threats. Shin is the one that went to Earth and stopped Buu from being released, therefore saving everyone. Maybe he could have enlisted help from dead fighters, but even though he has power, he still has rules to follow, and we don't know all the rules they have to abide by. Otherwise, they can just get a whole army of dead folks to help them. Even Yemma mentioned that 2nd chances are extremely rare. If Shin didn't do what he did, he'd die, which means Beerus would be dead, which means Whis would be inactive. Beerus didn't do jack against Buu all this time. Didn't even do anything with Frieza either, even though he could have easily killed him. At least with Shin, it kind of makes sense why he didn't stop Frieza because he's not really supposed to and Frieza wasn't a universal threat like Buu was. Frieza wanted control, but not destruction. Did people just forget that? That Supreme Kais almost never interfere in general? The same goes for other universes. They aren't really supposed to just drop in and interfere. That's the God of Destruction's job. Maybe the mortal level would have been higher if Beerus didn't keep Buu and Frieza around when they destroyed many innocent lives. Beerus kind of sucks at his job. xD When he's not sleeping or eating, he will destroy and it's usually for stupid reasons. Shin basically saved everyone, including Beerus' life. Future Shin made Future Trunks his apprentice, which actually did help out in the battle against Zamasu, too.
Makes sense to me, I was thinking he was a strong as perfect cell before he blew himself up and came back, but I can accept him being at Goku’s level when he fought perfect cell lol
I think Supreme Kai's coolest ability is the 'Kai Kai' -- the ability that he uses to teleport. It's a lot better than Goku's instant transmission (since he doesn't have to lock onto energy). He can also move much more quickly than either Beerus or Whis.
Hey Geekdom I have a question why do the other universes only have one supreme kai shown aren’t there originally 3-4? Since 3 died against Buu are the other supreme kias the strongest/Main ones that come out with the god of destruction then?
I always figured he was around Perfect Cell's level in terms of fighting strength, since Goku said that Dabura was about at Cell's level and Kaioshin seems to think he had a chance against Dabura.
El Manga Legendario I believe is also either released or supervised by Bird Studios if I heard correctly. This is a very fun video! I love learning more about the Kaioshin.
That makes sense. I think his godly abilities put him in a slightly higher tier, but he's poorly trained so I'd say he'd probably have struggled against perfect cell. Still a good fit.
Well it is always easier to destroy than to create; so naturally a god of destruction would seem more powerful than a god of creation. Creation requires delicacy and nuance.
Install Raid FREE ✅ IOS: clcr.me/hepw0O ✅ ANDROID: clcr.me/PoGWpq ✅ PC: clcr.me/PUoVYy and get a special starter pack 💥Available only for the next 30 days
If they paid me 10k I'd promote it too
Bro how much did they pay you?
@victorperez someordinary gamer said his offer was 10k..he also said that was on low end and for a content creator who bashes the product to get 10 stacks...well I say pay me 4 and I'll go gorilla campaign door to door covid or not
Geekdom101 Isnt Supreme Kai a young and new supreme kai with even less training than mostothers from other universes???
no
Something to remember, Buu killed lots of Kais before he was in the egg. The Supreme Kai we know is a rookie / in training Kai that was left with the mantle.
He has the power to make you think he's more important than he really is
Lol. Within a few episodes he went from this mysterious being to a punk lol
Nope. I guess he's talking about Berrus. Anyone who dares to kill Kaioshin would have to go through Beerus, only if he's awake.
@@mikechael7866 Makes you wonder what Beerus would do if he found out Goku was threatening to blast Supreme Kai at the tournament (right before Buu was released)
@@mark04anthony He wouldn't have been able to do anything. Beerus was sleeping. If Goku had vaporized Supreme Kai, Veerus would've died too
At one point there was four supreme kais and grand supreme kai. Are they linked at all? Just curious because that is another gaping hole in the story line.
He has the power to keep beerus alive and thats it
@Oof Boi not anymore
@Hooga Lac Whis is linked to Beerus as well.
@Hooga Lac that's how black destroy all the gods
lmao
@@Nxtymg kinda odd though,if he killed the Gods of destruction and Kais wouldn't the angels,and xeno notice it before the time travel issue
Ik it's an anime,but the logic in that part was missing
I remember years ago when I first saw him and I thought he would be what Beerus is now 😅😂
Exactly ima go ahead and take “supreme” out his name
He had such an awesome presence when he first appeared. Piccolo was shook as fuck lol.
Lol yeah if he was what Beerus is now then Buu would have gotten raped and he also wouldn't be able to interfere in mortal affairs.
Zamasu oddly enough is stronger than probably fat Buu or Kid Buu. He was keeping up with DBS Goku in hand to hand.
I think U7 Supreme Kai needs to train
Quite the foreshadow since they are connected
Zio Records I jus call him kaioshin tbh
I always figured that Piccolo was freaked out more about his position of authority than his actual fighting power.
You don't have to figure it cus that's what happened
I actually really like Supreme Kai. He is no weakling! The thing is that combat is NOT his thing. Yeah he pretty much sucks at his job but he is not without potential of being amazingly useful (he just isn't when we need him).
The best example of incredible power but not in a physical way is fuckin Zeno. He's the epitome of that shit.
Agreed💖
@@Taima Zeno is god bruh
Yeah, it's not his fault all of those who would be supposed to train him died. That's why he also doesn't know much stuff. Luckily for him Old Kai being back gives him a chance to learn and allow this universe to not be miles behind the others, at least a chance. Cuz if not any following Supreme Kai will also be as weak and ignorant as him, not due to anyone but Bibidi's fault.
@@guesswho2590bruh he’s 5 million years old. Like at some point, hit the gym and punch a bag
The supreme kai’s power is SO secret.....we will never get to see it
😂😂😂
Non canon
😂
God Of Death Kind of like Dr. Rota and his ability to-
This guy was the biggest disappointment I thought he would be really strong when I first saw him. Then during his fight with Buu he literally does NOTHING. It looked like he was going to fire a few big ki blasts and all he does is make a little wind. Pathetic.
We can assume he's weaker than Cell because he is implied to be weaker than Dabura. So it makes sense him being around the same level as a full powered Super Saiyan from the Cell saga.
Maruf Hossain Bepary
Agreed
I think Seth or chuck made a point of saying that the Supreme Kai's plan was for himself to fight Dabura though. He wasn't expecting the saiyans to go with him, or fight all the battles, or be as strong as they are.
D. San
He didn’t know about Dabura until they got there.
@@RickyUzumaki993 he did tho like i literally watched it
The Prophet
He didn’t in the manga
Supreme Kai Lucky he didn't get turned into a Supreme pizza by Majin Buu LOL 🤣
Batman Pop's deep dish stuffed crust 😆
I would like, however, I cannot disturb the force..
Well in Future Trunk's timeline he did die and therefore so did Beerus and Whis returned back and that's why Trump timeline got ran through by Goku Black and Zamasu
Or a supreme Oreo 😂
Yoooo lol hahahahaha I'm over here dying he played on the candy joke
I just read that the Japanese voice actor for master roshi has passed away on March 21.
While sad he was the 2nd VA , who did the Buu saga not the current VA .
F
Damn that’s my birthday
@@dawudhunt9024 tough
Now that I think of it, we never got to see how strong the fusion of Supreme Kai and Kabito were. I wouldn't say Vegito level but they definitely had to be up there somewhere.
True especially with the master-student bond and then the fact Potara is for Kai's not to mention that the two never trained and could already clap Freeza
That One Dude we meet again
maybe Fat Buu level. Doubt he’d beat Kid Buu or Super Buu. Supreme Kai fighting skills are iffy
During the anime they said he wouldn’t be strong enough to beat Buu if that gives you any indication of how strong he was. So he was under SSJ3 Goku.
King Vegeta I wonder if he can self-heal since he’s two beings fused.
The Latin American Guide makes sense to be honest
I personally think that he is about as strong as super Vegeta when he fought against semi-perfect cell, because of how amazed he was how strong base Goku, Gohan and Vegeta were.
goku6843 if he was as strong as super vegeta, Buu arc super namekian piccolo (stronger than cell arc) wouldn’t have batted an eye at the supreme kai’s presence.
@@tomc8829 well I don't think that piccolo was scared of supreme Kai's raw power but rather his Devine position. Also I don't think that piccolo in the buu saga is weaker than mastered super saiyan Goku during the cell games.
Nah, he was just nerfed dirty, they originally had him way stronger than that, and I mean WAAAAAY stronger, I'm literally talking up there with Majin Buu himself, but as the episodes progressed they kept nerfing him and nerfing him and adding more nerf to the nerf, until they finally just completely changed his entire personality from this badass mastermind that he was initially who was so strong he could completely overpower SSJ2 Gohan with pretty much zero difficulty to this whiny wimpy acting little bitch who is scared of Pui Pui who btw couldn't even touch base Vegeta, now that is one heck of a nerf.
@@goku6843 he was amazed not because of that. He was amazed that humans had power relative to that of gods. He probably wouldve came to earth a lot sooner if he knew that
“Kami was inside of him” PAUSE
There’s a pool table in there
Deep inside of him
so he basically f... himself xd
The sacred ointment
“Ooooooh myyy” george takei.
I remember how CREEPY Supreme Kai seemed when I first saw him, in the English version. The Faulconer music that went along with him, and Piccolo’s and Goku’s initial conversations with him, were just eerie. That slow smile he gives Goku upon shaking his hand... but then once they enter Babidi’s ship, all his mystique went out the window.
Stef Cannon lol
Yeah he had the viewers shook too lol. And then he went back to constantly yelling about YOU SAIYANS ARE INSANE! THERES NO WAY TO BEAT BUU!!!! AHHHHH
Though I did give him points for attempting to (and getting clapped) stop Buu after he hatched. He didn't back down.
facts
On my first watch I legit thought he was demonic and super powerful lmao
😂
4:50 Another reason he could have backed down is, what else would he do? Kill Goku, and lose the strongest warrior on his side? Knock out Goku so Vegeta can attack him since he can't fight Goku now? Not saying Kai is stronger, just that there are other reasons.
I agree
This kinda contradicts itself cause if he was strong enough to knock out goku then he would deffently be able to take down vegeta to, like he restrained gohan at ss2, if he was that powerful he could have knocked out all of them and transported them to the land of the Kais for example to get them out of the way so he could take on babidi and dabura by himself, the supreme kais physical power is just above a ss1 level to be accurate
KING B Blackwood Goku and Vegeta with SS2 during this time we’re much stronger than Gohan since he was out of fighting shape.
Stated to be able to clap Freeza's cheeks and able to make planet's- but his job so far has been far from satisfaction- as in Super we hear only 28 planets in Universe 7 have life or advanced civilisation on them.
A lot less now that Moro has been eating them. Though the 28 worlds thing was kind've a dumb line, it should probably just be forgotten.
Ehum remember the planet called frieza 78
They really made him look retarded.
I still can't believe that 28 inhavited planets thing, it makes the universe sound like its the size of a single galaxy, and it sort of contradicts earlier lore. Frieza's empire alone had to have ruled more than 20 races, and there was a resistance to his rule. Not to mention the various races among the galactic patrol, and in their prisoners.
That shouldn’t count, freeza has an empire
His power is forgetting important things and making bad decisions.
I really do think he has potential though...
Goku Cell Era 280 Billion
Cell Pwr Lvl 400 Billion
SS2 Teen Gohan 800 Billion
SS2 Adult Gohan 122 Billion
Dubura 130 Billion
Kabito 500 Million
Supreme Kai 80 Billion
Ssj 3 Goku (Dead) 55 Trillion
Fat Buu Pwr Level 40 Trillion
Super buu 70 Trillion
Kid Buu 80 Trillion
SSJ 3 Goku Alive 90 Trillion
Mystic Gohan 100 Trillion
That’s also Toriyamas power ironically
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 why does babidi look like an overgrown ballsack
@@LordYamcha wtf 🥴🥴🥴😂😂😂😂
@@cainsavage2618 1) Nobody like fake power level lists
2) Dabura is definitely not weaker than Cell by several times and if anything, he's stronger.
Supreme Kai=Cell games goku.
I knew it! People say he's stronger than CELL!
@Oof Boi super perfect? Definitely Not
Perfect? Maybe
perfect cell>supreme kai>picolo>super perfect cell>gohan at the begining of buu arc>Dabura>Teen Gohan>vegeeta>goku is how i would powerscale it
No cell games goku was way weaker than perfect cell
@@antoineford6883 yeah that comment was busted now that i read it back my main point was i think supreme kai was between perfect cell and super perfect cell
correction
vegeta
With a title like "secret power" I was expecting some kind of examination of... y'know... something other than just normal power level scaling...
Ziegander same
Yeah the title was pretty click bait, really not a lot of substance in this video at all
That face at 4 seconds says it all lol
Makes sense because if he was stronger than Cell, he may be able to take out Dabura alone.
He was about as strong as goku when he fight cell
Thats what he was planning on before he found out about the z fighters
@@Strategistdating So This Means The Surpressed Perfect CELL Who Fought Goku And Defeated Him
Can Also Win Against Supreme Kai
@@cellandbuuaremyfavoritedbz1542 Yes but he is a God right so it will be a bit harder cause of his technically abilities
Debura is not on the level of Cell .
And Surprime Kai was about to defeat him on his own .
6:17 that’s my favorite outfit for Gohan. I know it only shows up for like ten minutes total out of the whole entire series, but I don’t really care, I still like it. It’s the only outfit that’s actually HIS, it’s his own original outfit, he made it and put it together himself. Even the Saiyaman outfit was technically made by Bulma. Unpopular opinion, maybe, but I don’t care it’s still my fav.
Dude im sorry to brake this to you but thats the outfit he got from piccolo💀
^^^
Goku versus cell that was the most tactical fight Goku has ever fought
I actually agree whole heartily with this 👌
@Sun Wu-Entai 90 Agreed. Plus Goku knew before fighting Cell that he had no chance of winning. It was more so that Gohan could see how Cell fought.
Elite Trucker's goku vs jiren was pretty tactical he had to try weird moves and stuff
Jiren. Destructo disks and ki landmines were crazy. Not to mention fucking riding along/protecting himself from Jiren's multi-stream type attack with ki on both his hands and feet.
King Dragon gamer no
His power is having the ability to kill beerus by being killed himself. Now thats a hack for defeating the God of Drstruction 😳
*Destruction
True glad in super they stated that the Supreme Kai is Beerus kryptonite.
Remember when he was the top god? XD Those were good times.
Good times 😏
They should of stopped at the supreme kai
Remember when Kami was considered the most powerful god. Man time sure does fly
V fōr Vēgētå remember when people thought Goku was the prodigy, the super saiyan, the strongest fighter in the universe.... ah good times
@@Javon1689 beerus is Goat
I was thinking maybe piccolo during the Buu saga would be around mssj goku as well
This is one of the best Dragon Ball channels. Keep it up! I've learnend so much.
Destroyers need to be powerful fighters, to quote King Kai "kind of a job requirement". Creators don't really need to fight but need other abilities destroyers wouldn't need to have. Shin can travel across the multiverse instantly, WHIS can't even do that. I think of the Supreme Kais the same way as the manga is now showing the Yardrats, not being necessarily strong but having insane abilities.
I have a question and that is WHY THE HELL DID THE SUPREME KAIS NOT FUSE WHILE FIGHTING BUU
If I had to guess, I'd say he's as strong as Vegeta before Cell games. As for Piccolo, I agree with you; less struck by Supreme Kai's strength, but more so his status, who he knows, and the fact that some reason, the gods are getting involved with mortal affairs.
Shin took a worse beating from Buu than Gohan did and was still able to walk somewhat.
That proves Akira Toriyama can be brutal.
I wish they would show just how awesome Kais are. I wish that they showed their true potential outshines or rivals Saiyans in more than one way. It would be cool to have Shin return to that calm, cool guy he was back then. Not even Beerus can truly rattle him! That's how gifted and calm he is in his view of who he is and why. It just doesn't make sense why he isn't. I just dont get that.
He has the unnatural ability to watch All of Dragon Ball for free
I hope they make him step up some. He does have potential. Imagine him going into the time chamber with whis and/or beerus. Keep in mind he can live for an ungodly amount of time, a few weeks in the chamber with really good teachers would do him wonders.
I've always find it funny that the GoD's don't seem that concerned with their Supreme Kai's protection considering their lives are linked. Supreme Kai's get not bodyguard or teacher. I would think they'd want the Angels to teach them both.
Lord Sesshomaru Wait isn’t that other Kai (The red one) The supreme Kais bodyguard?
Last time i was this early, super saiyan wasn't even a concept
5:23 you could have said that supreme Kai was *clapped* in the buu saga
lmao I thought the same thing
Supreme Kai Just Got Crushed And Vanished
Loved the video speaking of goku's threating of supreme kai could you make a video on a darker side of goku I think it be really interesting
@@quicklyform5162 Right. Him threatening the Kai was so save people from being killed by Vegeta.
@@quicklyform5162 You can call it that, but it's still the same question. He's fucked up a lot as a saiyan in terms of rationality. With Vegeta he was too fight-loving saiyan, too saiyan to kill Frieza when he easily had the chance. Letting Majin Vegeta get his fight instead of just going ssj3 after a minute and putting him to bed like a baby, shit.
Supreme kai is probably around imperfect cell level minimum.
I agree
No.. the guidebooks stated that the Supreme Kai is equal to cell game Super Saiyan 1 Goku
*A non-canon guidebook*
@@grydon6422 It isn't canon but it isn't non-canon.
He is about as strong Goku was when he fought cell
I have to try S Kai and Kibitokai in Tenkaichi 3 to know their abilities.
Also the translation for that guide is "The Legendary Manga"
He'd be called "El Kai Supremo" in Spanish also.
Nice video though,interesting
Voice actor for master roshi passed away please do a video
5:52 it's litterally the opposite
You need next to nothing to destroy things but to create them is actually difficult
Hammer (Napalm if you wanna be overkill) on ice = no ice
To make ice you need to combine and or create 2 hydrogen atoms with an oxygen atom a few septillion times then cool it down so it's frozen
And Beerus has never been shown capable of creating anything like the supreme kais
Where the fuck is he in the Moro arc? Him and Eldar Kai could provide some interesting scenes with Dai Kaioshin there.
He's definitely stronger than Mecha Frieza. His power can be scaled between the Android Saga & Perfect Cell Saga.
Somewhere between Android 17 to Perfect Cell.
I haven't seen it recently. But the kaioshin was only vaguely surprised by Gohan's power. Like I remember him thinking and mentioning that it was kinda hard to hold him. But he wasn't all that taken aback. He might be perfect cell level. Or even Super perfect Cell level.
@@DSan-kl2yc I Think Supreme Kai IS Roughly Equal To Semi Perfect CELL
There was actually no knowledge of there being a supreme Kai or a Kai higher than the Grand Kai; Piccolo states this himself
It was rumored by king Kai it was
The southern Kai is one of the strongest Kai stated already.
Piccolo also states that he thought that his opponent WAS the grand kai and kabito had to correct that so take that in to consideration
I really liked his design! At the time when he was introduced it was really interesting and kinda unique to him. Seeing new characters with cool designs was one of the best part of dragon ball Z. Something that Super doesn't have to that extent. Beerus and Whis are problaby two exceptions
Through the hard times of this corona virus your channel helps a lot keep it up geekdom.
Thanks for the new video bro..
with all this corona going on and staying home safe, your video's helps
Geekdom can you do a power scaling on the grand supreme Ki the one Boo absorb. He supposed to be as strong or close to evil boo & he's the orginal supreme ki & does he have the connection to beerus
Base goku=1
Goku ssj3=400
Kid buu=400 (a bit less)
South supreme kai = 400 (more or less)
Kid buu with south kai absorbed (buff buu)=800
Grand supreme kai = x
Buff buu + grand supreme kai = fat innocent buu = 800 + x (although he can’t use all of this power because of the grand supreme kai’s personality, so he is weaker than goku ssj3, so around 250)
Superbuu = fat innocent buu=800+x
Superbuu = gotenks ssj3
If goku base=1, then
Base goten and trunks= 0,1
Goten and trunks ssj1= 5
Gotenks base = goten ssj + trunks ssj = 10
Gotenks ssj3 = 4000
Super buu=4000=800+x
Therefore x=3200
That is the power of the grand supreme kai. Much stronger than ssj3 goku but not as strong as ssj3 gotenks
@@emiliorodriguez8104 bruh
Makaioshin Ramdz Basically all of those are baseless, except for the ssj multipliers.
Fat Buu being equal to Super Buu aside, it completely falls apart when you say fusion = ssj + ssj. By that logic:
Vegito = 100(SSJ Goku + SSJ Vegeta)
Super Vegito = 5,000
Super Buu = 4,000
Super Buu + Piccolo + Trunks + Goten + Ultimate Gohan(above 4,000) = 8,000+
Therefore Super Vegito < Buuhan. Unless you say the "rival boost" that Elder Kai mentions is at least a 2x multiplier, which is absurd(and would still place Buuhan too close to Super Vegito anyways).
Grand Supreme Kai was stronger than Super sayian 3, Goku.
Grand Supreme Kai & Southern Supreme Kai should be around Kid Buu / SSJ3 Power.
ssj1 (grade 4) goku from the buu saga is the same as the ssj1 (grade 4) goku from the cell games
Based on what?
All that free time he's got just watching might as well get some training in.
Toriyama really should think about going more into Moro eventually.
Nothing at all special about Moro, very weird arc.
Hope your staying safe Big D. Thanks for the content!
Thanks for the video Geekdom
Well, Zamasu was a Supreme Kai on his Saga and was pretty powerfull, so i'll be like Goku now:
~> If The 7th Universe's Supreme Kai train a bit, he may be stronger, he is a god so i guess his powers can grow really fast, not to mention he (surelly) may be able to use Kaio Ken. Great video dude.
Very cool! I love learning about the celestial beings in Dragon Ball. Strange that you should make this video as Kaioshin Curt is making a comeback!
4:30 mark.
that time Goku almost killed Beerus.
Uh...Beerus?
oh, derp.
@@Taima exactly! lol
i've always hated how the Supreme Kai's character was written. He should've been an awesome, mysterious, and powerful being. Awesome not only in strength but also knowledge. they ruined his character.
Is his power being interesting then being completely irrelevant
Lol
Then*
Probably... So much potential tho
Tapion from the movie shouldn't exist
They should use the supreme Kai and the trunks sword being the z sword would be a much consistent and interesting story
kaioken I’m talking about that he was such an interesting character to develop and they wasted him similar to goten and trunks
I find it weird that to defeat a god of destruction, all you have to do is kill the supreme Kai, who is significantly weaker. If Frieza wanted to kill Beerus all he would have to do is kill the supreme kai.
Great video bro!
Geeky, very good job on the video. One comment though, Shin already knew about Goku's ability to turn into SSJ2. There was that brief moment where he did it against Yakon, which was in fact the trigger for Vegeta to turn to Babidi for help. If Shin can hold SSJ2 Gohan down, I doubt SSJ1 Goku can take him out with a single ki blast. I would place him somewhere between SSJ1 and 2 Goku. He probably just felt threatend that Goku might escalate things and wipe him out easily, which he was more than capable of doing.
His fusion with Kibito Kai was stated to be too weak to take on Buu..
Does that say more about their power levels, or the fusion multiplier?
Who knows. He maybe be even more powerful than Freeza, thing is he's so incompetent even he might have known.
Have we ever seen the Supreme Kai actually CREATE anything? Any new planets or galaxies?
I think slightly above Full Power SSJ1 makes sense.
As far as freezing Gohan, Vegeta says he's not as powerful as when he fought cell later on in the Buu saga, so I think it wasn't so much magic or that he was stronger than SSJ2, just Gohan's SSJ2 was really weak at that point.
Meanwhile Goku and Vegeta were not only using SSJ2, they were pushing the limits of the form at the time.
For scaling sake I think slightly above SSJ but just below SSJ2 is a good ball park.
Great video brother.
This is the earliest I’ve ever been to something
I feel like you kinda skipped over the fact that Supreme Kia was able to knock Gohan off of Buu's attack, saving Gohan's life.
"Paparapapa!!!"
Brad Morgan “Kai Kai!”
I think he is beerus level but cant use his power for combat just creation. two side of the same coin.
Aside from Zamasu, the Supreme Kais don't seem to be fighters. But I think he's actually stronger than Perfect Cell, and obviously weaker than Majin Buu. One of the very reasons why Supreme Kai got involved in mortal affairs is because he knew that Majin Buu was being revived and that Majin Buu was one of the first known mortals who was strong enough to kill deities such as himself. If Cell was actually stronger than Supreme Kai, then he possibly would have made an appearance much sooner in the DBZ series, as the threat of his existence would have been on the line.
Dam raid cut that check huh 🤣
I wonder how Beerus would take it if he knew Goku almost killed him by threatening the Supreme Kai
I think is more about respect that kami Gad and was like what does the supreme Kai doing on planet earth
A live stream with opai would be dope with this quarantine
I'm not really sure why people crap on Supreme Kai. Yes he clearly miscalculated how powerful the Saiyans were, and probably should have kept a better eye out on that galaxy, but he was doing a much better job than Beerus ever did. Shin was doing the best he could, as the role of Grand Supreme Kai was kind of forced on him, so he wasn't really experienced yet. Shin is the one who at least tried to stop Buu. Generally Supreme Kais aren't supposed to interfere very much, unless they are attacked or they are dealing with universal threats. Shin is the one that went to Earth and stopped Buu from being released, therefore saving everyone. Maybe he could have enlisted help from dead fighters, but even though he has power, he still has rules to follow, and we don't know all the rules they have to abide by. Otherwise, they can just get a whole army of dead folks to help them. Even Yemma mentioned that 2nd chances are extremely rare.
If Shin didn't do what he did, he'd die, which means Beerus would be dead, which means Whis would be inactive. Beerus didn't do jack against Buu all this time. Didn't even do anything with Frieza either, even though he could have easily killed him. At least with Shin, it kind of makes sense why he didn't stop Frieza because he's not really supposed to and Frieza wasn't a universal threat like Buu was. Frieza wanted control, but not destruction. Did people just forget that? That Supreme Kais almost never interfere in general? The same goes for other universes. They aren't really supposed to just drop in and interfere. That's the God of Destruction's job. Maybe the mortal level would have been higher if Beerus didn't keep Buu and Frieza around when they destroyed many innocent lives. Beerus kind of sucks at his job. xD When he's not sleeping or eating, he will destroy and it's usually for stupid reasons. Shin basically saved everyone, including Beerus' life. Future Shin made Future Trunks his apprentice, which actually did help out in the battle against Zamasu, too.
Makes sense to me, I was thinking he was a strong as perfect cell before he blew himself up and came back, but I can accept him being at Goku’s level when he fought perfect cell lol
5:08 im just realizing this is where they got the Teq gogeta from dokkan battles Ultimate super attack from
Just for this video,I'll try out his 2 forms in Budokai Tenkaichi 3.
_Since I dont remember his powers,health or fighting style_
I think Supreme Kai's coolest ability is the 'Kai Kai' -- the ability that he uses to teleport. It's a lot better than Goku's instant transmission (since he doesn't have to lock onto energy). He can also move much more quickly than either Beerus or Whis.
They can time travel too in Super
Yeah and the kai kai teleport is also not limited by distance, they can literally go anywhere they want with just a thought
Hey Geekdom I have a question why do the other universes only have one supreme kai shown aren’t there originally 3-4? Since 3 died against Buu are the other supreme kias the strongest/Main ones that come out with the god of destruction then?
B
Geekdom gonna get that milli plaque soon
I always figured he was around Perfect Cell's level in terms of fighting strength, since Goku said that Dabura was about at Cell's level and Kaioshin seems to think he had a chance against Dabura.
The Guide Stated Shin is Comparable To Cell Games SS1 Goku.
@@elpopman2055 Exactly. I don't get where people are saying he's as strong as Perfect Cell from.
Wow that Majin Buu arc art style was so good.
Real question, how does Vidal at the end of the buu saga compare to let's say Yamcha? I believe she is only as strong as Yamcha in Dragon Ball.
To be honest I like his theme more than I like his character lmao
He'd be cool in Fighterz
I've always wondered how strong Kibito Kai was
Strong as when Gohan fought Broly in second coming.
El Manga Legendario I believe is also either released or supervised by Bird Studios if I heard correctly.
This is a very fun video! I love learning more about the Kaioshin.
Nice video like usual, how about something on Kami? I never actually understood his power
Awesome, Bro! 💪🏼
Cell saga Goku level seems like the right ballpark. Cool video!
That makes sense. I think his godly abilities put him in a slightly higher tier, but he's poorly trained so I'd say he'd probably have struggled against perfect cell. Still a good fit.
Some people think 18 could have killed Supreme Kai in DBS when she treated him at the T.O.P
Well it is always easier to destroy than to create; so naturally a god of destruction would seem more powerful than a god of creation. Creation requires delicacy and nuance.
That actually makes alot of sense with how dabura was scaled closely to cell.
Ooohhhhh never expected this video. Thanks Danny ✊🏾👑
It's already been stated. Perfect cell level. He can one shot Frieza.
Umm what? You don't have to be Perfect Cell to one shot Frieza. Trunks bodied him, and the gap between when he showed up and Perfect Cell is huge.
Yeahhhh you're not very bright 😂