That was definitely not the end of Kingpin. A certain comic storyline should be properly adapted, which would show us how he survived a gunshot. The question is, will we see that outcome in the Echo series or perhaps Hawkeye season 2? For that matter, I wonder if Hawkeye was meant to be a one-off.
No This Season was the Closing chapter for Clint's Hawkeye and Season 2 Hawkeye will be placed around maybe 1-2 years after Clint finished training Kate as the new Hawkeye.....i just hope Disney don't go overboard on Replacing Male Marvel Hero's to become Female Hero's instead. because if they do that it will be the end of the Disney Marvel Movie success run
Dont worry, Kingpin isnt dead. If we've learnt anything from television is that no one is dead until you see the body atleast. Plus Echo holding the gun to Kingpin was a big comic moment that they recreated. But I personally dont believe he's dead
I just hope that next time, they will drop the ridiculous goofiness and actually bring back his intimidating presence. His first scene in the episode was so promising, but they instantly ruined him.
Daredevil reaction would be awesome. Now is a good time since they're setting up for Daredevil and kingpin down the line in the mcu. Jessica Jones season 1 is really good too.
how do you know that? also, agree with the daredevil reaction. Season 1 was really good. I watched that before watching no way home. It's really nice to see him in the mcu
@@KryptonKr Idk that for a fact, none of us do haha. But you cant do daredevil w/o kingpin. That's like fantastic 4 & no dr. doom or silver surfer & no galactus or x-men & no magneto. With Charlie Cox & Vincent D'onofrio reprising their roles in the mcu, there's no way Kingpin is dead. Echoe's series needs a antagonist and that will lead up to Daredevil vs Kingpin, imo. But dude, you gotta watch Daredevil season 3. It's so good.
@@KryptonKrMinor Spiderman spoiler: Matt Murdock is in the MCU now and has his powers. That hasn't really been a secret since it has been so widely talked about him being in She Hulk and Fiege essentially said so last week.
Also Laura Barton, is an ex Shield agent, (retired) known as Agent 19 aka "Mockingbird" her watch had a 19 on it & a Shield logo for extra confirmation on that amazing reveal, in the comics she was a long time love interest for Clint Barton & even partnered up with him for while as Hawkeye & The Mockingbird :)
They didn’t kill Kingpin, that scene is in the Comics where she shoot’s him in the head but he doesn’t die. She also has her own Disney+ tv show. Don’t worry he isn’t dead.
For everyone complaining about kingpin, they didnt kill him off it was straight out of echo's comics, he got shot in the eye and was *temporarily* blind. also they wouldnt dare kill him considering hes the main villain in the upcoming echo series. we also got mcu daredevil announced recently, which kingpin is a big part of the plot.
Well, the thing is, they could put him in just about any MCU project that doesn't lean too heavily into the sci-fi and fantasy stuff. They could have him get up to some behind-the-scenes shenanigans in She-Hulk, since it's a pretty safe bet they're going to fit some legal drama in there. They COULD have him fight Spider-Man, assuming they bring Peter Parker back to his roots and get away from all these big, sweeping global catastrophes (which were never in his wheelhouse anyway). Hell, they could even put him next to Moon Knight, because for all the mysticism there, Marc Spector, as a character, has always been a boots-on-the-ground, street level kinda guy. So there are any number of shows/movies they could put him in and he'd be a great fit.
They haven't announced any MCU Daredevil series. Kevin Feige just said that if they do move forward with the Daredevil character in any medium, it will be Charlie Cox who will be playing him. Obviously he's already appeared as the character in the Spider-Man movie, but there's been no official announcement of any Disney+ series or movie or anything otherwise.
Well, I never said there was confirmation on anything. I simply offered up three examples, off the top of my head, where the MCU could do something with him and it would work. And there are plenty of other scenarios where Kingpin would be a more-than-capable antagonist. Plus, everyone LOVES D'Onofrio in the role. If he wasn't the best part of Marvel's foray into Netflix, he was DEFINITELY in the Top 3. And he pretty much OWNED every scene he was in. So...yeah. A fan-favorite character that you could potentially get YEARS of movie and Disney+ plots out of? Marvel would be crazy not to keep him around.
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem Where did I say he isn't? And just because Daredevil is Kingpin's main rival (or vice versa), doesn't automatically mean = new MCU Daredevil show announced,....like you claimed. That's a lie. There's no MCU Daredevil show that's been announced anywhere.
It's my headcanon that every "normal" human in the MCU would be considered superpowered if they existed in our Universe. They are stronger and more resilient which is how non-augmented humans like Kate and Clint are able to take a fall like Kate did or repeated blows to the head like Clint did and not need weeks or years of physical therapy to recover.
Yeah, no. Rule number 1 of comic-based properties: if you don't see the body, the character is not dead. Rule number 2: even if you see the body, the character is not dead. Also, the exact same scene with Maya shooting Fisk point-blank happened in the comics and he was fine.
No way is Kingpin dead. Lol...the first three attempts didn't work, and it should be assumed a bullet won't do it. Dude got blown up, run over, shot in the heart with an arrow. He's Jason.
13:10 - the little owl in the tree seems to be based on the real life owl found in the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree back in mid-November of 2020. It even looks like the real-life owl.
If you guys thought Vincent D’Onofrio as Wilson Fisk was intimidating in this show you guys are not prepared for the unstoppable silverback gorilla that is Kingpin on Daredevil. I honestly think he is tied with Gus Fring, Tony Sopranno and Vito Corleone as one of the best crime bosses ever put on screen.
Kingpin: Gets an arrow to the chest, shot by an expert archer at close range, shrugs it off. Gets hit by a car moving fast enough to engage the airbags on impact, gets up 10 seconds later. Gets blown up from a high explosive detonated directly at his feet, walks out limping but otherwise perfectly fine. You guys: "How dare they kill him off-screen with a single gunshot that we didn't even see!" ...I think you're underestimating the giant.
My order of preference for other Netflix characters to transition into the MCU proper: -Jessica Jones. Seasons 2-3 were lackluster but Krysten Ritter still was awesome as Jess - Frank Castle. Less so for his capabilities for violence and more because I want to see how he plays off of fellow veterans Sam and Bucky - Kilgrave. A long shot but if they bring Jess back they need to include her hallucinations/mental image of him too (one can never have too much David Tennant too) - Luke Cage. Not really a fan with how they ended his show with him as a crimelord, I want to see him be a hero again - Colleen Wing & Misty Knight. The Daughters of the Dragon could be great allies to Shang Chi or enemies/reluctant allies of the new 10 Rings - Turk Barrett. I just get a kick out of him and want them to continue using him as the criminal counterpart to Phil Coulson/Wong
would be nice to somewhat follow the hawkeye comics where kate divorces herself from her family and starts from scratch and is mentored by jessica jones.
Man the amazing scene between both women running through the building was amazing, kingpin back is amazing, this show really was one of the best mcu shows this entire year. Now we gotta have daredevil suit up again
The whole reason they showed him get hit with the arrow and be unphased, and all the explosive arrows and still walking is to prove that that one bullet won't do shit to him ultimately - just like in a specific comic storyline Others probably have spoiled in the comments lol. Kingpin is not easy to kill.
He is not dead in the commics maya shoots him in the face and it blinds him temporarily, and then a comes back more angry and agressive , this secne was straight out of the commics so no wories he is good
So Jack and Clint really don’t know each other Yelena didn’t look at Kate as a threat more of an obstacle and annoyance Clint with the German suplex Kate living on the farm with Clint more training he need more hand to hand come on Clint step it up she can use more archery training So yelena doesn’t kill him great but she still need to address Val and shit. So Jack wasn’t bad after all 19 is an alias for mockingbird so Laura was mockingbird like I said
People keep mentioning how Maya shot Kingpin in the comics and he didn't die. Even if that comic didn't exist, the trope of "we didn't see what happened" and "we didn't see the body" is as old as time, for tv and movies lol. Of course Kingpin isn't dead.
Aaaaah, I did not realize 19 was Mockingbird. Still, the timeline is such that Laura could have retired and Bobbi taken over the agent# if they make Agents of SHIELD canon. IF they do.
@@davidramirez1021 Not sure what they have planned for Agents of S, since Phil was part of the MCU but the rest wasn't.That always have been a bit confusing.
@@MarkLeeuwis to say the least. Still, if they did want to start canonizing AoS, Melinda May could show up on Disney+ fairly easily, I mean they have her in Book of Boba Fett, it'd just be a different sound stage.
Palicki played Bobbi Morse though. It’s possible the codename could be something passed from Laura to Bobbi. Of course at this point so much has happened in the MCU to write off AoS as being remotely canon that it’s just as possible if not more possible that Laura is actually Bobbi in the MCU and just changed her name to better ease into civilian life.
@@dcaslick The full name of mockingbird is Barbara "Bobbi" Morse-Barton (according to wiki). Might be a name change to Laura for secrecy reasons. But Hawkeye is never mentioned in AoS. Let's call it creative liberties.
I love how they show him threatening by framing him like he's twice the size of the other people in the room Except when he's facing Maya. In front of her, he looks almost vulnerable. She's his weak spot and that's why she's the one who can really hurt and (almost) kill him
Daredevil and Punisher reactions would be amazing. Those shows are so goddamn good. Also, that little kid is Armand Duquesne the 7th. Jack's uncle Armand the 3rd spoke to and about him in the first couple episodes.
Disney+ won't show someone getting shot ? When they kill, they confirm it. Thanos killed Vision and we saw his greyed out corpse. John Walker killed with shield we clearly saw the blood on the shield. Thor fking beheaded Thanos. So when they want to kill the character, they confirm it right there. also his last line was ...EYE TO EYE, in comics she shoots him which damages his eye but he doesn't die. This series tried it's best to remain as comic accurate as it can starting with the series Logo. So don't worry KingPin isn't dead.
@@Jellofreeze exactly. Don't know why people think that things can't go dark and violent in PG-13 films/series. Remember Dark Knight Triology was Dark and Violent and yet PG-13. Titanic had nude scene yet PG-13 too Violence and nudity done right and you can have the same dark stuff but in pg rated film. exempt are films like Deadpool where it's not much because of violence but more because of the adult/sexual jokes it is r-rated. They also forget how in POTC film they show heads of people in a basket when Jack Sparrow was supposed to be beheaded. and that is not a Disney subsidiary film like Fox, Pixar or marvel that is a direct Disney Production film and yet they can show it.
Agent #19 is Bobbi Morse in the comics who's Mockingbird. Some suspected early on that Laura was agent 13 and it looks like they were right. The name doesn't match up, but maybe Laura is her middle name--she did say that she was so careful. The Bartons live away from everyone because of their checkered pasts. Mockingbird is not all that different from Black Widow. Mockingbird and Clint met on the job and they both do the same sort of thing. Anyone coming to the Barton family home looking for trouble is instantly going to regret it, lol. I don't think we need to worry about Kingpin. He took an arrow to the chest. A speeding car drove him through a department store. Explosive arrows sent him flying into a pillar and he slammed into the floor, and the man still got up! I think he's proved that he can take a gunshot to the chest--we do hear a thud after Maya fires, but as I said before, each time we saw him down, he got back up. Who honestly thinks they brought him back to take him out? He's going to be back for Echo and most likely the future too. I think we can assume that Kingpin did not purchase Stark Tower. His building look more like a fixer upper than something Tony once owned.
As usual, thanks for the video, it's fun watching you two react. Just a couple of notes: 1) 19 is the confirmation that Laura is Mockingbird because Mockingbird is Agent 19. 2) This episode had many scenes that directly mirrored the comics, including (spoilers) the scene where Echo shoots him. He survives the shot and becomes blinded to mirror Daredevil's blindness. Also, it's that troupe where if they don't show you the death on screen, the character is not dead. Btw, Marvel is not afraid to show people shot in the head, they have shown it before, but they just don't show the gore. Also, remember in FATWS the scene where John murders the guy and there was blood everywhere. Also also, Black Widow dying with blood pooling all around her head. 3) Echo has been announced, it is not a rumour. The rumour is a Daredevil series that will come after the Echo series. 4) Unless they decide to change things, Kingpin is not super powered. Him being able to survive all those arrows is because he wears body armour under his clothes (this was explained in the original Netflix series, but that was many years ago). His strength does seem greater than a normal human being, but in the comics they do clarify that he is just a normal human and that he is just extremely strong and tough.
Okay, I see Kacee is the smart one. My guess is the Echo series will open on that scene and Fisk will have knocked the gun away and maybe take the bullet to the shoulder before gorilla slapping her onto the truck hood, cracking the glass. Or they do the comic book thing, which this may be eluding to. Either way he's alive. I'm pretty sure he's going to be the main antagonist in her series and Daredevil is going to soften her up so she doesn't end up killing him in the end. Edit: the "eye to eye" comment before the sound of the gun would lend toward the comic event.
Kingpin defenitly is not dead, it was the same in the comics, Maya shot him but she didn't kill him (she thinked that she killed him) but she blinded him with this shot
You were right about what Yelena called Kate, as for your beautiful friendship statement. I would love a season two with Yelena and Kate being forced to work together. These two could carry a buddy show, either on the run together, or dealing with some threat, one in particular comes to mind. I have a feeling that Val will not be happy with Yelena for not finishing this contract.
Daredevil reactions would be amazing, it was the strongest Netflix show out of all the defenders (Jessica Jones being close second). So yeah, would love to rewatch it along with your reactions!
An Echo series was confirmed back in November on Disney plus day. Echo does shoot Kingpin in the comics leaving him blind for a short time so we most likely will see him in the Echo series; possibly completely blind or maybe just blind in one eye.
In the comics, Kingpin weighs about 400 pounds, and less than five pounds of his weight is body fat. he is very strong and very tough. Also, kind of hard to injure even without Kevlar.
that last line was taken from the comics where she shot him in the eye, then he went temporarily blind which he eventually overcame after an eye transplant.
Yeah he gets barely a scratch from an explosions hitting his vital organs and sht at close range then how can a gun shot hurt him or blind or kill him or whatever lol makes sense..
Proof that the Netflix shows were MCU: -Dare Devil season 1&2 Address the fall out from the alien attack on NYC. -Kingpin and the hand try to buy up all the damaged property. -IronFist Jessica Jones and Luke Cage form the Defenders so all those shows connect. -Kevin Fiege himself said he was interested in adding the characters to Infinity War. - Agents of Shield crossed over into the Punisher when Quake mentioned knowing a guy named Microchip who was obsessed with murder cases and he worked with Red Tide, in Punisher micro chip was with Red Tide and obsessed over murder cases. - Luke Cages misty Knight mentions her fiend transferring to New Orleans -Cloak & Dagger season 1 the same friend in New Orleans mentions Misty Knight - The Runaways season 3 teams up with Cloak & Dagger - Agent Carter has young Anthony Stark from the movies and crosses over into Agents of Shield -Endgame Jarvis from Agents of Shield appears in the movie from Agent Carter - Dare Devil season 2 crosses over with the Punisher Daredevil season 1 there's a news reporter that covered the attack in Harlem from the Hulk in the Incredible Hulk movie - Agents of Shield , Samuel Jackson appears as Nick Fury, Lady Sif and the biker gang from Dare Devil appears in season 2 - Runaways season 2 Wilder is seen reading a newspaper with Luke Cage on the front page and Wilder also refers to the Mountains of Wakanda. . Jeph Loeb and Kevin Fiege were in talks of crossing over the characters because they ARE MCU. - The Inhumans crosses over with Agents of Shield as they use the same language and alien writings first established in Shield, and the Watch Dogs from Shield are attacking the Inhumans - in Jessica Jones the news station WHiH is mentioned and Jessica Jones ties into Dare Devil. . Even on Wikipedia those shows are still listed as canon .
I noticed the Kingpin never made any reference to his cuff links at all in this series. Kate using the cuff links against him only has meaning if you watched the Netflix Daredevil because they talked about that alot in Netflix. That cannot be coincidence
@@TheMayweatherMegaCha most people will assume it's just a call back to when Hawkeye taught Kate the coin flip. But I paused both shows ( Hawkeye and Daredevil ) and that cuff link Kate threw is the exact same one Kingpins wife gave him in Dare Devil season 1. The cuff links were a major part of his development on netflix . Maybe it's just an Easter egg but like you said , it can't be mere coincidence
The Young Avengers is almost already confirmed based on all the introduction made from different Disney+ and MCU series/movie, especially the send-off that the original members of the Avengers are doing to the new generation of heroes. Elijah Bradley as Patriot from the Falcon and the Winter Soldier America Chavez as Miss America in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness Kate Bishop as herself and as Hawkeye in the same series title Billy and Tommy as Wiccan and Speed from WandaVision Riri Williams as IronHeart in the upcoming series of the same title Cassie Lang (Daughter of Scott Lang aka Ant-Man) as Stature from the Ant-Man movie Kid Loki from the Loki series Kamala Khan as Ms. Marvel from the same series title
The kid was in an earlier episode. He's Armand the 7th. In a superhero universe, it makes sense that people in a dangerous situation are predisposed to follow instructions from people in funny costumes.
The last scene with Echo and Kingpin is VERY comic accurate. SHIELD Agent 19 was Mockingbird. So that was confirmed. Also the owl part was a callback to Rocky the owl that was found living in the Rockefeller tree last year. Kingpins Hawaiian shirt is a nod to the Amazing Spider-man: Family Business #1. Kingpin wears the exact same outfit and cane. Jack took up the role of the Swordsman from Avengers, Hawkeyes mentor.
As for how the guy caught the arrow, Clint uses the shot that is aimed at "Jon Snow" to split the first arrow. Odds are that slowed it down enough to make it catchable.
"Sometimes family doesn't always see eye to eye..." In her introduction to the comics (Daredevil [1998], Issues #9-#15), Echo shoots out Kingpin's eyes (after he got shot several times by someone else and survived a drop from one of NYC's bridges). With the amount of punishment we saw Kingpin could take this episode, I fully expect that he will return in the Echo series. I'm not positive if they'll fully blind him (which would give an interesting dynamic to any Daredevil interactions) or just give him an eyepatch since we only heard one shot (this second option would visually distinguish him from the Netflix Kingpin). Either way, he's 100% not dead, barring a real life tragedy.
Shield Agent 19 was know as Mockingbird and married Clint. Maya shot Kingpin in the comics, it didn't kill him but blinded him - so he shared Daredevil's disability.
Clint made his new best shot in this finale and it was without even using an arrow. When he used the secret whistle, he shot Yelena right through the heart
If you don’t see a dead body then he could come back. That’s TV 101. Rumours are he’s in the Echo’s show. They show dead bodies in the show. So the fact we didn’t see him dead is telling.
With the wristwatch the might be implying that Clint's wife was probably Agent 19 (Mockingbird) from the comics. Mockingbird was a love interest of Hawkeye's in the comics who turned out to be a Skrull in the Earth 616 comic run and in one of the Averages Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series that came out in 2010.
Agent 19 is Her Agent Number but She was called Mockingbird, Agent 19 is also in Agents of Shield named Bobbi. So, Laura was at one time Clint and Possibly Natasha's Partner until Her and Clint got together
Just to let you know. Jacque Duquesne is actually the Swordsman in the Marvel universe. Kang the conqueror has him join the avengers to kill them, but he refuses and then joins them as a hero. He eventually dies while in the hands of mantis, but I can't remember who kills him.
I have a lady friend that lives in Sharpstown (Houston) that reminds me of Maya and looks a lot like her. Same chola-like angry expressions, not someone you want to piss off :) Glad she is getting her own series
I remember when the Avengers got to Clint' house, in Age of Ultron, when they met his family, Tony said that Clint's wife is a ex Shield agent and then when the kids appeared he said 'and some smaller agents'. I knew that she was a shield agent. I just didn't know why she left. Now I guess I know. 1 because she had kids and 2 because maybe the watch meant a lot for her.
21:38 Don't worry, he's not dead. In the comics, Maya shoots him in the face, temporarily blinding him. He recovers after intense surgery. We should see him again in the Echo series. However, I believe he's going to be more ruthless!
You guys need to calm down King Pin is not dead!!! They would not bring a character that big to kill them off. Especially off screen. If any thing he overpowered echo after he got shot and she escaped, or he overpowered her, shot her and she escaped wounded.
Kingpin does not have powers he's just extremely strong as a matter of fact a common misconception is that he's just a fat guy but that's all muscle, he's basically the human Hulk in terms of raw power without being enhanced by a serum he could fight characters like Luke Cage, Daredevil, Shang-Chi, Spider-Man, and even Steve Rogers but he obviously wouldn't fare well against powered individuals like Thor or Capt. Marvel (depending on their power). He's a fairly notable threat and in certain situations be considered "Avengers" leveled he's mostly seen as street-level because he fights with street-level heroes and also because he's a criminal overlord the last thing he wants to do is announce himself and draw attention like a Kang or a Thanos, he much more lowkey so at best you'd get a Daredevil & Spider-Man team up but you'll never see him in an Avengers film as the main antagonist.
Haven't seen the episode properly myself, I watched you guys first haha. But I'm thinking that Kingpin's "death" could easily be used by him to go back in the shadows. Maybe they just teased him this way just to test the waters first how people would react to him.
if you’ve watched any sort of movies, let alone MCU movies, you know Kingpin isn’t dead. unless they get a death scene, rumors of their death are greatly exaggerated
1. The owl isn't random, a year or two before Hawkeye premiered a baby owl was found and rescued from inside the Rockefeller Christmas tree this was a nod to that. 2. I love Yelena and Kate's friendship I hope in future movies they are the new Hawkeye and Black Widow team up.
If I remember correctly she actually shot him in shot him in the comics for killing her dad and she shot him point blank in the head and he was in a coma for like 6 months.
Yeah totally agree I had many high hopes for Kingpin, if they really killed him there I'll be so disappointed. I mean he's literally a fking legend in Marvel. Let's hope that he survive somehow.
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That was definitely not the end of Kingpin. A certain comic storyline should be properly adapted, which would show us how he survived a gunshot.
The question is, will we see that outcome in the Echo series or perhaps Hawkeye season 2?
For that matter, I wonder if Hawkeye was meant to be a one-off.
Anthony: Im exited to see Kingpin
Kevin Feige: Im about to end this man whole career
Even if it's the MCU, this rule still applies: no body, no death.
No This Season was the Closing chapter for Clint's Hawkeye and Season 2 Hawkeye will be placed around maybe 1-2 years after Clint finished training Kate as the new Hawkeye.....i just hope Disney don't go overboard on Replacing Male Marvel Hero's to become Female Hero's instead. because if they do that it will be the end of the Disney Marvel Movie success run
@@kikietle4207 never mess with Feige.
@@jason42080 Wtf does being male or female hero have to do with success? Kate has always been the successor to Hawkeye. You're sounding a lil sexist.
Dont worry, Kingpin isnt dead. If we've learnt anything from television is that no one is dead until you see the body atleast. Plus Echo holding the gun to Kingpin was a big comic moment that they recreated. But I personally dont believe he's dead
He's definitely not dead
U right
I feel like that moment suggests that the Netflix Daredevil might be Canon, and maybe this is the next step for Kingpin, maybe he does end up blind
I just hope that next time, they will drop the ridiculous goofiness and actually bring back his intimidating presence. His first scene in the episode was so promising, but they instantly ruined him.
Did we not learn anything from Squid Game?
Daredevil reaction would be awesome. Now is a good time since they're setting up for Daredevil and kingpin down the line in the mcu. Jessica Jones season 1 is really good too.
how do you know that? also, agree with the daredevil reaction. Season 1 was really good. I watched that before watching no way home. It's really nice to see him in the mcu
I second this. I hope they react to Daredevil, even though one of them has already watched it.
@@KryptonKr Idk that for a fact, none of us do haha. But you cant do daredevil w/o kingpin. That's like fantastic 4 & no dr. doom or silver surfer & no galactus or x-men & no magneto. With Charlie Cox & Vincent D'onofrio reprising their roles in the mcu, there's no way Kingpin is dead. Echoe's series needs a antagonist and that will lead up to Daredevil vs Kingpin, imo. But dude, you gotta watch Daredevil season 3. It's so good.
@@KryptonKrMinor Spiderman spoiler: Matt Murdock is in the MCU now and has his powers. That hasn't really been a secret since it has been so widely talked about him being in She Hulk and Fiege essentially said so last week.
@@chrisf5828 He’s a really good lawyer.
Also Laura Barton, is an ex Shield agent, (retired) known as Agent 19 aka "Mockingbird" her watch had a 19 on it & a Shield logo for extra confirmation on that amazing reveal, in the comics she was a long time love interest for Clint Barton & even partnered up with him for while as Hawkeye & The Mockingbird :)
So glad someone came in and explained this for everyone. A lot of people don’t know this bit of information
They didn’t kill Kingpin, that scene is in the Comics where she shoot’s him in the head but he doesn’t die. She also has her own Disney+ tv show. Don’t worry he isn’t dead.
For everyone complaining about kingpin, they didnt kill him off it was straight out of echo's comics, he got shot in the eye and was *temporarily* blind.
also they wouldnt dare kill him considering hes the main villain in the upcoming echo series. we also got mcu daredevil announced recently, which kingpin is a big part of the plot.
Well, the thing is, they could put him in just about any MCU project that doesn't lean too heavily into the sci-fi and fantasy stuff. They could have him get up to some behind-the-scenes shenanigans in She-Hulk, since it's a pretty safe bet they're going to fit some legal drama in there. They COULD have him fight Spider-Man, assuming they bring Peter Parker back to his roots and get away from all these big, sweeping global catastrophes (which were never in his wheelhouse anyway). Hell, they could even put him next to Moon Knight, because for all the mysticism there, Marc Spector, as a character, has always been a boots-on-the-ground, street level kinda guy. So there are any number of shows/movies they could put him in and he'd be a great fit.
They haven't announced any MCU Daredevil series.
Kevin Feige just said that if they do move forward with the Daredevil character in any medium, it will be Charlie Cox who will be playing him.
Obviously he's already appeared as the character in the Spider-Man movie, but there's been no official announcement of any Disney+ series or movie or anything otherwise.
@@Cbricklyne still doesnt change that daredevil's main rival is still kingpin
Well, I never said there was confirmation on anything. I simply offered up three examples, off the top of my head, where the MCU could do something with him and it would work. And there are plenty of other scenarios where Kingpin would be a more-than-capable antagonist. Plus, everyone LOVES D'Onofrio in the role. If he wasn't the best part of Marvel's foray into Netflix, he was DEFINITELY in the Top 3. And he pretty much OWNED every scene he was in. So...yeah. A fan-favorite character that you could potentially get YEARS of movie and Disney+ plots out of? Marvel would be crazy not to keep him around.
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem
Where did I say he isn't?
And just because Daredevil is Kingpin's main rival (or vice versa), doesn't automatically mean = new MCU Daredevil show announced,....like you claimed.
That's a lie.
There's no MCU Daredevil show that's been announced anywhere.
Maya does shoot Kingpin in the comics which led to her blinding him so they did it justice at least! Sad she didn't have the white handprint
Right, but maybe she'll get it.
They did kingpin dirty
Kingpin will be the main villain in echo most likely
I mean she's not Echo yet, she will become Echo in her own series so probably she will have the white hanprint there
@@kikietle4207 dude, Kingpin is not dead
It's my headcanon that every "normal" human in the MCU would be considered superpowered if they existed in our Universe. They are stronger and more resilient which is how non-augmented humans like Kate and Clint are able to take a fall like Kate did or repeated blows to the head like Clint did and not need weeks or years of physical therapy to recover.
Yeah, no. Rule number 1 of comic-based properties: if you don't see the body, the character is not dead. Rule number 2: even if you see the body, the character is not dead.
Also, the exact same scene with Maya shooting Fisk point-blank happened in the comics and he was fine.
A little blind after, BUT TOTALLY FINE.
Yeah there is no real stakes in the MCU
No way is Kingpin dead. Lol...the first three attempts didn't work, and it should be assumed a bullet won't do it. Dude got blown up, run over, shot in the heart with an arrow. He's Jason.
Plus the Daredevil and Punisher series showed just how tough and resilient he is.
@@TgrHwke he never was THAT resilient. Im guessing he got his hand on super soldier serum.
Remember Echo is gonna be a show that means Kingpin is coming back
Anthony: Im exited to see Kingpin
Kevin Feige: Im about to end this man whole career
@@Pir-o That’s an interesting and frightening theory!!!
If you're gonna react to one of those shows, do Daredevil. Its crazy good.
I love how Jack finally got to go full Swordsman in the finale!
And I called the ending. Kate Bishop joining Hawkeye and Mockingbird for Christmas!
13:10 - the little owl in the tree seems to be based on the real life owl found in the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree back in mid-November of 2020. It even looks like the real-life owl.
If you guys thought Vincent D’Onofrio as Wilson Fisk was intimidating in this show you guys are not prepared for the unstoppable silverback gorilla that is Kingpin on Daredevil. I honestly think he is tied with Gus Fring, Tony Sopranno and Vito Corleone as one of the best crime bosses ever put on screen.
He is obviously nowhere close to Tony, Gus, Vito or Michael (who was a better character than Vito) as a character
Kingpin: Gets an arrow to the chest, shot by an expert archer at close range, shrugs it off. Gets hit by a car moving fast enough to engage the airbags on impact, gets up 10 seconds later. Gets blown up from a high explosive detonated directly at his feet, walks out limping but otherwise perfectly fine.
You guys: "How dare they kill him off-screen with a single gunshot that we didn't even see!"
...I think you're underestimating the giant.
My order of preference for other Netflix characters to transition into the MCU proper:
-Jessica Jones. Seasons 2-3 were lackluster but Krysten Ritter still was awesome as Jess
- Frank Castle. Less so for his capabilities for violence and more because I want to see how he plays off of fellow veterans Sam and Bucky
- Kilgrave. A long shot but if they bring Jess back they need to include her hallucinations/mental image of him too (one can never have too much David Tennant too)
- Luke Cage. Not really a fan with how they ended his show with him as a crimelord, I want to see him be a hero again
- Colleen Wing & Misty Knight. The Daughters of the Dragon could be great allies to Shang Chi or enemies/reluctant allies of the new 10 Rings
- Turk Barrett. I just get a kick out of him and want them to continue using him as the criminal counterpart to Phil Coulson/Wong
would be nice to somewhat follow the hawkeye comics where kate divorces herself from her family and starts from scratch and is mentored by jessica jones.
Jessica Jones is #1 for me as well.
All i need is Krysten Ritter's Jessica Jones and i'll die happy
There's no way in hell Frank Castle will ever appear in a Disney+ show. The Punisher was incredible, but the content is way too violent for Disney+.
@@dtgstl3148 but he can appear in Hulu which Disney has acquired and where they can put their grittier heroes.
Kingpin has to have survived. This is marvel. Offscreen death is survivable.
Anthony: Im exited to see Kingpin
Kevin Feige: Im about to end this man whole career
mcu daredevil announcement already makes him alive
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem not necessarily. He isn’t Matt’s only villian. But he definitely isn’t dead tho.
@@TheIcemanthomas yep hes too important in so many plots that killing him would kill all those possible storylines.
Man the amazing scene between both women running through the building was amazing, kingpin back is amazing, this show really was one of the best mcu shows this entire year. Now we gotta have daredevil suit up again
The ending is lame
@@JPwyckoff the lame musical? Yeah, it suppose to be lame I guess
I hope they bring back 'Jack The Swordsman', either in a second season or somewhere else in the MCU.
The whole reason they showed him get hit with the arrow and be unphased, and all the explosive arrows and still walking is to prove that that one bullet won't do shit to him ultimately - just like in a specific comic storyline Others probably have spoiled in the comments lol.
Kingpin is not easy to kill.
He is not dead in the commics maya shoots him in the face and it blinds him temporarily, and then a comes back more angry and agressive , this secne was straight out of the commics so no wories he is good
Yes Suka Means The B word in Russian and omg I love yelana and Kate friendship I love it I need it more of it
So essentially, that is exactly how Swordmaster, Jack, is in the comics. He's a really cartoonish person
So Jack and Clint really don’t know each other
Yelena didn’t look at Kate as a threat more of an obstacle and annoyance
Clint with the German suplex
Kate living on the farm with Clint more training he need more hand to hand come on Clint step it up she can use more archery training
So yelena doesn’t kill him great but she still need to address Val and shit.
So Jack wasn’t bad after all
19 is an alias for mockingbird so Laura was mockingbird like I said
Yaa bro u were the only one who said Laura is mocking bird..
People keep mentioning how Maya shot Kingpin in the comics and he didn't die. Even if that comic didn't exist, the trope of "we didn't see what happened" and "we didn't see the body" is as old as time, for tv and movies lol. Of course Kingpin isn't dead.
The kid is Armand VII, from the first episode.
19 refers to Agent 19 aka Mockingbird. So his wife used to be mockingbird :) Played by Adrianne Palicki in the Agents of shield series.
Aaaaah, I did not realize 19 was Mockingbird. Still, the timeline is such that Laura could have retired and Bobbi taken over the agent# if they make Agents of SHIELD canon. IF they do.
@@davidramirez1021 Not sure what they have planned for Agents of S, since Phil was part of the MCU but the rest wasn't.That always have been a bit confusing.
@@MarkLeeuwis to say the least. Still, if they did want to start canonizing AoS, Melinda May could show up on Disney+ fairly easily, I mean they have her in Book of Boba Fett, it'd just be a different sound stage.
Palicki played Bobbi Morse though. It’s possible the codename could be something passed from Laura to Bobbi. Of course at this point so much has happened in the MCU to write off AoS as being remotely canon that it’s just as possible if not more possible that Laura is actually Bobbi in the MCU and just changed her name to better ease into civilian life.
@@dcaslick The full name of mockingbird is Barbara "Bobbi" Morse-Barton (according to wiki). Might be a name change to Laura for secrecy reasons. But Hawkeye is never mentioned in AoS. Let's call it creative liberties.
Even if Kingpin “lost” today, I felt the acting amazing, he was indeed terrifying.
He is! Forgot how scary he is
nah, he is clown now, all disney fault
I love how they show him threatening by framing him like he's twice the size of the other people in the room
Except when he's facing Maya. In front of her, he looks almost vulnerable. She's his weak spot and that's why she's the one who can really hurt and (almost) kill him
they're saving kingpin for the echo tv series that will likely have daredevil in it as well, it's so obvious he's not dead.
Right they just don't know how this stuff works lol
Daredevil and Punisher reactions would be amazing. Those shows are so goddamn good.
Also, that little kid is Armand Duquesne the 7th. Jack's uncle Armand the 3rd spoke to and about him in the first couple episodes.
Disney+ won't show someone getting shot ?
When they kill, they confirm it.
Thanos killed Vision and we saw his greyed out corpse.
John Walker killed with shield we clearly saw the blood on the shield.
Thor fking beheaded Thanos.
So when they want to kill the character, they confirm it right there.
also his last line was ...EYE TO EYE, in comics she shoots him which damages his eye but he doesn't die.
This series tried it's best to remain as comic accurate as it can starting with the series Logo.
So don't worry KingPin isn't dead.
In Iron Man 3 on the plane , ' Cold-blood' got his chest blown wide open at point blank range . Disney is not afraid to poison someone's apple.
Not a human person. And the jon walker's one was so weirdly edited. Its like they wanted this one to be a little violent and but not really violent.
@@Jellofreeze exactly.
Don't know why people think that things can't go dark and violent in PG-13 films/series.
Remember Dark Knight Triology was Dark and Violent and yet PG-13.
Titanic had nude scene yet PG-13 too
Violence and nudity done right and you can have the same dark stuff but in pg rated film.
exempt are films like Deadpool where it's not much because of violence but more because of the adult/sexual jokes it is r-rated.
They also forget how in POTC film they show heads of people in a basket when Jack Sparrow was supposed to be beheaded. and that is not a Disney subsidiary film like Fox, Pixar or marvel that is a direct Disney Production film and yet they can show it.
Agent #19 is Bobbi Morse in the comics who's Mockingbird. Some suspected early on that Laura was agent 13 and it looks like they were right. The name doesn't match up, but maybe Laura is her middle name--she did say that she was so careful. The Bartons live away from everyone because of their checkered pasts. Mockingbird is not all that different from Black Widow. Mockingbird and Clint met on the job and they both do the same sort of thing. Anyone coming to the Barton family home looking for trouble is instantly going to regret it, lol.
I don't think we need to worry about Kingpin. He took an arrow to the chest. A speeding car drove him through a department store. Explosive arrows sent him flying into a pillar and he slammed into the floor, and the man still got up! I think he's proved that he can take a gunshot to the chest--we do hear a thud after Maya fires, but as I said before, each time we saw him down, he got back up. Who honestly thinks they brought him back to take him out? He's going to be back for Echo and most likely the future too.
I think we can assume that Kingpin did not purchase Stark Tower. His building look more like a fixer upper than something Tony once owned.
As usual, thanks for the video, it's fun watching you two react. Just a couple of notes:
1) 19 is the confirmation that Laura is Mockingbird because Mockingbird is Agent 19.
2) This episode had many scenes that directly mirrored the comics, including (spoilers) the scene where Echo shoots him. He survives the shot and becomes blinded to mirror Daredevil's blindness. Also, it's that troupe where if they don't show you the death on screen, the character is not dead. Btw, Marvel is not afraid to show people shot in the head, they have shown it before, but they just don't show the gore. Also, remember in FATWS the scene where John murders the guy and there was blood everywhere. Also also, Black Widow dying with blood pooling all around her head.
3) Echo has been announced, it is not a rumour. The rumour is a Daredevil series that will come after the Echo series.
4) Unless they decide to change things, Kingpin is not super powered. Him being able to survive all those arrows is because he wears body armour under his clothes (this was explained in the original Netflix series, but that was many years ago). His strength does seem greater than a normal human being, but in the comics they do clarify that he is just a normal human and that he is just extremely strong and tough.
Okay, I see Kacee is the smart one.
My guess is the Echo series will open on that scene and Fisk will have knocked the gun away and maybe take the bullet to the shoulder before gorilla slapping her onto the truck hood, cracking the glass. Or they do the comic book thing, which this may be eluding to. Either way he's alive. I'm pretty sure he's going to be the main antagonist in her series and Daredevil is going to soften her up so she doesn't end up killing him in the end. Edit: the "eye to eye" comment before the sound of the gun would lend toward the comic event.
Kingpin defenitly is not dead, it was the same in the comics, Maya shot him but she didn't kill him (she thinked that she killed him) but she blinded him with this shot
Anthony: Im exited to see Kingpin
Kevin Feige: Im about to end this man whole career
Laura is Mocking Bird. Agent 19. In the comics Mockingbird is hawkeye's love interest.
Love the reactions from you two! It is fun catching up on these.
that fight between Kate and Kingpin was so unexpected and nut! i was scared for my LIFE for her
There was an owl named rocky that lived in one of the trees in Rockafeller, total sensation in NYC
I THINK MAYA LOPEZ AND WILSON FISK WILL BE MORE ELABORATE IN SPINOFF SERIES OF ECHO IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
You were right about what Yelena called Kate, as for your beautiful friendship statement. I would love a season two with Yelena and Kate being forced to work together. These two could carry a buddy show, either on the run together, or dealing with some threat, one in particular comes to mind. I have a feeling that Val will not be happy with Yelena for not finishing this contract.
Daredevil reactions would be amazing, it was the strongest Netflix show out of all the defenders (Jessica Jones being close second). So yeah, would love to rewatch it along with your reactions!
Rank each Daredevil season worse to best.
Punisher season 1 is the second best. Then JJ season 1. The other JJ seasons weren’t good
Jessica jones is for sure second but I wouldn't say a close one. Maybe just me lol
@@hamhockbeansimo 3,1,2
An Echo series was confirmed back in November on Disney plus day. Echo does shoot Kingpin in the comics leaving him blind for a short time so we most likely will see him in the Echo series; possibly completely blind or maybe just blind in one eye.
DEFINITELY react to Daredevil. It's truly a standout series.
In the comics, Kingpin weighs about 400 pounds, and less than five pounds of his weight is body fat. he is very strong and very tough. Also, kind of hard to injure even without Kevlar.
Yeah, people forget that when Netflix Kingpin was shown to bench around 800lbs and shrug off truly ridiculous head blows
I'm pretty sure that Kingpin is gonna come back in Echo. I think she shot kingpin's eyes so he's got blind. His last word was "eye-to-eye".
Oh snap, I didn’t even think about that line, nice catch! Definitely looks like they’re going that route.
that last line was taken from the comics where she shot him in the eye, then he went temporarily blind which he eventually overcame after an eye transplant.
Yeah he gets barely a scratch from an explosions hitting his vital organs and sht at close range then how can a gun shot hurt him or blind or kill him or whatever lol makes sense..
Jessica Jones is amazing. Punisher held me rapt for the entire series.
Proof that the Netflix shows were MCU:
-Dare Devil season 1&2 Address the fall out from the alien attack on NYC.
-Kingpin and the hand try to buy up all the damaged property.
-IronFist Jessica Jones and Luke Cage form the Defenders so all those shows connect.
-Kevin Fiege himself said he was interested in adding the characters to Infinity War.
- Agents of Shield crossed over into the Punisher when Quake mentioned knowing a guy named Microchip who was obsessed with murder cases and he worked with Red Tide, in Punisher micro chip was with Red Tide and obsessed over murder cases.
- Luke Cages misty Knight mentions her fiend transferring to New Orleans
-Cloak & Dagger season 1 the same friend in New Orleans mentions Misty Knight
- The Runaways season 3 teams up with Cloak & Dagger
- Agent Carter has young Anthony Stark from the movies and crosses over into Agents of Shield
-Endgame Jarvis from Agents of Shield appears in the movie from Agent Carter
- Dare Devil season 2 crosses over with the Punisher
Daredevil season 1 there's a news reporter that covered the attack in Harlem from the Hulk in the Incredible Hulk movie
- Agents of Shield , Samuel Jackson appears as Nick Fury, Lady Sif and the biker gang from Dare Devil appears in season 2
- Runaways season 2 Wilder is seen reading a newspaper with Luke Cage on the front page and Wilder also refers to the Mountains of Wakanda.
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Jeph Loeb and Kevin Fiege were in talks of crossing over the characters because they ARE MCU.
- The Inhumans crosses over with Agents of Shield as they use the same language and alien writings first established in Shield, and the Watch Dogs from Shield are attacking the Inhumans
- in Jessica Jones the news station WHiH is mentioned and Jessica Jones ties into Dare Devil.
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Even on Wikipedia those shows are still listed as canon .
I noticed the Kingpin never made any reference to his cuff links at all in this series. Kate using the cuff links against him only has meaning if you watched the Netflix Daredevil because they talked about that alot in Netflix. That cannot be coincidence
@@TheMayweatherMegaCha most people will assume it's just a call back to when Hawkeye taught Kate the coin flip. But I paused both shows ( Hawkeye and Daredevil ) and that cuff link Kate threw is the exact same one Kingpins wife gave him in Dare Devil season 1. The cuff links were a major part of his development on netflix . Maybe it's just an Easter egg but like you said , it can't be mere coincidence
Kingpin's last words were "Eye to Eye" .. the big guy goes blind I believe in Echo series ..
The Young Avengers is almost already confirmed based on all the introduction made from different Disney+ and MCU series/movie, especially the send-off that the original members of the Avengers are doing to the new generation of heroes.
Elijah Bradley as Patriot from the Falcon and the Winter Soldier
America Chavez as Miss America in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
Kate Bishop as herself and as Hawkeye in the same series title
Billy and Tommy as Wiccan and Speed from WandaVision
Riri Williams as IronHeart in the upcoming series of the same title
Cassie Lang (Daughter of Scott Lang aka Ant-Man) as Stature from the Ant-Man movie
Kid Loki from the Loki series
Kamala Khan as Ms. Marvel from the same series title
The kid was in an earlier episode. He's Armand the 7th.
In a superhero universe, it makes sense that people in a dangerous situation are predisposed to follow instructions from people in funny costumes.
Ha, I loved how they were waiting for an endcredits scene to confirm Kingpin is still alive, and then it was just the musical number.
"Kate, you're my partner."
The feels were reals.
The last scene with Echo and Kingpin is VERY comic accurate. SHIELD Agent 19 was Mockingbird. So that was confirmed. Also the owl part was a callback to Rocky the owl that was found living in the Rockefeller tree last year. Kingpins Hawaiian shirt is a nod to the Amazing Spider-man: Family Business #1. Kingpin wears the exact same outfit and cane. Jack took up the role of the Swordsman from Avengers, Hawkeyes mentor.
As for how the guy caught the arrow, Clint uses the shot that is aimed at "Jon Snow" to split the first arrow. Odds are that slowed it down enough to make it catchable.
"Sometimes family doesn't always see eye to eye..."
In her introduction to the comics (Daredevil [1998], Issues #9-#15), Echo shoots out Kingpin's eyes (after he got shot several times by someone else and survived a drop from one of NYC's bridges).
With the amount of punishment we saw Kingpin could take this episode, I fully expect that he will return in the Echo series. I'm not positive if they'll fully blind him (which would give an interesting dynamic to any Daredevil interactions) or just give him an eyepatch since we only heard one shot (this second option would visually distinguish him from the Netflix Kingpin). Either way, he's 100% not dead, barring a real life tragedy.
Rule # 1 of shows...if the character's death is off camera, they ain't dead!
In the comics, Echo shot him but he survived. However he became Blind for awhile
For a while??forr awhilee???holy shit how strong is this guy ??
The ending is so wholesome. Loved this series.
Love how you both look color coordinated.
I also loved watching Kingpin. He was my favorite actor in Law and Order.
Nigga what ?
The 19 on the watch might be an indicator that she was Agent 19, who was in the comics also known as Mockingbird.
Shield Agent 19 was know as Mockingbird and married Clint. Maya shot Kingpin in the comics, it didn't kill him but blinded him - so he shared Daredevil's disability.
"Wannabe Jon Snow" Now i cant unsee it lmao
In the comic books, SHIELD Agent 19 is Bobbie Morse, with the codename Mockingbird.
Clint made his new best shot in this finale and it was without even using an arrow. When he used the secret whistle, he shot Yelena right through the heart
If you don’t see a dead body then he could come back. That’s TV 101. Rumours are he’s in the Echo’s show. They show dead bodies in the show. So the fact we didn’t see him dead is telling.
No way kingpin is dead when they're bringing back daredevil
Anthony: Im exited to see Kingpin
Kevin Feige: Im about to end this man whole career
I just love Kate wonder woman spinning into her outfit the moment Yelena grabbed her jacket 😂
With the wristwatch the might be implying that Clint's wife was probably Agent 19 (Mockingbird) from the comics. Mockingbird was a love interest of Hawkeye's in the comics who turned out to be a Skrull in the Earth 616 comic run and in one of the Averages Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series that came out in 2010.
I love the whole call-back to The Warriors Three in the first Thor movie.
I'd love to see a reaction to Jessica Jones. The first season is the best part of the Netflix MCU.
Hailey is so good! She does drama, action and comedy both so well!!
Agent 19 is Her Agent Number but She was called Mockingbird, Agent 19 is also in Agents of Shield named Bobbi. So, Laura was at one time Clint and Possibly Natasha's Partner until Her and Clint got together
Just to let you know. Jacque Duquesne is actually the Swordsman in the Marvel universe. Kang the conqueror has him join the avengers to kill them, but he refuses and then joins them as a hero. He eventually dies while in the hands of mantis, but I can't remember who kills him.
Hawkeye and Kate vs Tracksuit on the ice was badass.
That kid was the grandson of Armand. That's kid is the seventh Armand, as far as I could recall. 1st episode.
I have a lady friend that lives in Sharpstown (Houston) that reminds me of Maya and looks a lot like her. Same chola-like angry expressions, not someone you want to piss off :) Glad she is getting her own series
the Disney+ Echo series was already confirmed on Disney+ Day
I remember when the Avengers got to Clint' house, in Age of Ultron, when they met his family, Tony said that Clint's wife is a ex Shield agent and then when the kids appeared he said 'and some smaller agents'. I knew that she was a shield agent. I just didn't know why she left. Now I guess I know. 1 because she had kids and 2 because maybe the watch meant a lot for her.
Almost stopped watching after “I have never watched Punisher”. Priorities Guys… Priorities
The little kid is Armand the 7th. {The old man killed in the first episode was Armand the 3rd.}
Agent 19 is Mockingbird, who's Hawkeye's love interest in the comics. Laura is officially Mockingbird!
21:38 Don't worry, he's not dead. In the comics, Maya shoots him in the face, temporarily blinding him. He recovers after intense surgery. We should see him again in the Echo series. However, I believe he's going to be more ruthless!
Yes! Daredevil and Punisher! They are both awesome!
You guys need to calm down King Pin is not dead!!! They would not bring a character that big to kill them off. Especially off screen. If any thing he overpowered echo after he got shot and she escaped, or he overpowered her, shot her and she escaped wounded.
Agent#19 was code name Mockingbird. Kingpin is not dead in the comics he got shot in the face and was blind for a while.
Kingpin does not have powers he's just extremely strong as a matter of fact a common misconception is that he's just a fat guy but that's all muscle, he's basically the human Hulk in terms of raw power without being enhanced by a serum he could fight characters like Luke Cage, Daredevil, Shang-Chi, Spider-Man, and even Steve Rogers but he obviously wouldn't fare well against powered individuals like Thor or Capt. Marvel (depending on their power). He's a fairly notable threat and in certain situations be considered "Avengers" leveled he's mostly seen as street-level because he fights with street-level heroes and also because he's a criminal overlord the last thing he wants to do is announce himself and draw attention like a Kang or a Thanos, he much more lowkey so at best you'd get a Daredevil & Spider-Man team up but you'll never see him in an Avengers film as the main antagonist.
Haven't seen the episode properly myself, I watched you guys first haha. But I'm thinking that Kingpin's "death" could easily be used by him to go back in the shadows. Maybe they just teased him this way just to test the waters first how people would react to him.
if you’ve watched any sort of movies, let alone MCU movies, you know Kingpin isn’t dead. unless they get a death scene, rumors of their death are greatly exaggerated
Jack is actually a villian in the comic known as the Swordsman.
Feels like they spent more money on the musical than they did on the rest of the finale.
1. The owl isn't random, a year or two before Hawkeye premiered a baby owl was found and rescued from inside the Rockefeller Christmas tree this was a nod to that. 2. I love Yelena and Kate's friendship I hope in future movies they are the new Hawkeye and Black Widow team up.
If they're going by the book then he's not dead. Plus i don't think you bring in Vincent d just to kill him off
"Family doesnt see eye to eye" Kingpin just got blind just in the comic
The little kid is from the first episode. He was next to Armand the 3rd. He is Armand the 7th.
Kingpin is made of muscle, he's a Semi-Hulk
If I remember correctly she actually shot him in shot him in the comics for killing her dad and she shot him point blank in the head and he was in a coma for like 6 months.
Yeah totally agree I had many high hopes for Kingpin, if they really killed him there I'll be so disappointed. I mean he's literally a fking legend in Marvel. Let's hope that he survive somehow.
He probabaly does and will be the main villain in echo
Anthony: Im exited to see Kingpin
Kevin Feige: Im about to end this man whole career
"Eye to eye" ikykyk 😂😂
He’s not dead, that was straight out of the comics with Echo.
Thank you for giving spoilers alerts, most channels dont, your the good ones
(10:50) yep it is "Bitch" in russian language