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I never realized there was a skill floor for watching UA-cam
I never realised that a grown adult without an obvious brain defect could somehow fail to speak on the level of a 4-5 year old.
That's a good one!
I want to be that guy pointing out that it was to HAVE a youtube channel so most of us is safe.
Someone get OC "Journalism difficulty"
@@samuellund1377 Man, I hate to say anything positive about games journos, but think "Journalism difficulty" might be too high a bar for OC to clear.
EFAP aren't punching down, they're taking a walk on a damp night and hearing a shell crunch underfoot.
Lmao stepping on a gross little garden snail?
So eloquent and yet so fucking brutal
The shell screams “raaaasacist!!!” as it died
@@e.c.winner7252 No, it cries "But I thought you didn't like gaaaaaaaaaaays" as it dies.
Eloquently put my man 😂
“Is he gonna go over the whole movie point by point?!”
I love that. I can’t even begin to imagine why he thought the video was so long, without thinking that was the reason.
He was probably hoping there'd be an entire two hour tangent of Mauler ranting about wanting to crucify homosexuals, or something.
He needs to figure out things at his own pace.
@@Kernwadi at the pace he's going several lifetimes wouldn't be enough
I would love to see Organized chaos get dragged over the coals in a live discussion with Mauler. OC can sit behind a screen and call people incel and hold all 3 of his chins on his own time, but I'd bet he'd crumple like a paper cup if he had to explain even the bare minimum of his position on what makes movies good.
right now, that's all organized chaos does. He makes endless videos about mauler, nerdrotic, and other people involved in G+G FNT, and EFAP because Rags wounded his ego on two occasions.
Fucking destroyed by a doggo
Damn
I like how he is depressed that Mauler was not homophobic or used any "anti-woke" therminology. The only thing this people care about is a chance of moral condemnation. The culture war is a cancer for entertainment.
I just checked his channel and most of his recent videos have less than a thousand views. The dude is meaningless.
The only other videos of his I've seen is when Rags has covered him, but a common theme I've noticed is him attempting to be morally superior to anyone he disagrees with in place of actual arguments. He has this attitude of, "If you don't agree with me then you must be a bad person and I'm going to prove it."
The culture war is a joke.
We're just being set against each other by corporations so they can keep peddling shit and avoid a revolt.
If you can get people to defend your crap for any reason, and if you can get people to attack your crap for the same reason, you've won.
It's a trick as old as the printed press.
So yeah, that's why I like MauLer: no culture war shit, pure analysis and love of the craft.
This is also the reason I dislike Nerdrotic, HeelVBabyFace, and sometimes Drinker. Enough with this useless outrage crap, focus people, this is not the real battlefield.
@AndrewThoesen I've watched a few of his videos. Back when I thought maybe he would listen to reason. But after the 4th video of trying to take Drinker's channel down. Every video is just this. I don't know how people listen to his videos without Mauler, Drinker, or Nerdrotic and crew in between. The good news is that his channel is tiny in comparison.
@@hardromeo436 This guy can very well be the dumbest creator I have ever see in this plarform. And we have people like MundaneMatt, Ethan Ralph and DSP. The bar is high.
I love how Rags instantly knew why OC was searching for the memory store scene.
Everyone who had either watched OC's videos themselves, or followed Rags' coverage of him knew exactly what he was hoping to find.
OC literally made a video called rags being a toxic bigot for ten minutes. Of course he knew why OC was skipping to the memory store
Odin becomes more and more relevant it seems:
"I could explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you,"
That quote is quickly rising to one of my favorites, right next to the religious multi race cult leader prophet of truth saying, "Politics, how tiresome..."
Odin single handedly providing me with one of my favorite comebacks of all time
@Numpteez I’d argue the whole “you’re not supposed to think” quote fits better for OC
I’m getting flashbacks to my programming classes.
@@italyspit5192 that's something he'd say to EFAP
He was actually disappointed that he didn't get to call Mauler a racist or sexist. That speaks volumes as to what kimd of person this is.
It was basically the entire purpose of him watching MauLer's video, to see if he can find some dirt on him.
Yes. A professional victim
"person"
Instead he tried grasping at Mauler making the bee joke because OC white knights Depp's abusive ex.
Haven't watched the video but he might think he is because he has "covered" efaps video on the PoG drinker lied to you about glass onion
And OC does defend PoG going off the title
This OC guy is the epitome of "Don't ask questions, just consume product, and then get excited for next product".
I want him on FNT. He is more entertaining than Nina:))
@@WaxTheDolphinNina isn't usually on FNT.
@Caterinca Reloaded u mean Real BBC?
He genuinely looks like a miserable human being. Mauler, Fringy, and Rags at worst are just frustrated with the bad content we make them consume for money. This dude is just in the doldrums in life. Consumer is a biological term, CUSTOMER is what most of us would like to be considered. The problem is, you have to earn the money from a customer and they hate that.
Mauler?
"Ugh, is Mauler really going to analyze every bit of this film?"
*proceeds to pause Mauler every 5 seconds and not get the point*
*then skips over about 3 hours of the video and precedes to say the entire thing is nothing but nitpicks*
Wtf does he think the point of a movie review is lol to not analyze the movie?
Clearly a 5 min video summarizing the movie along with ending it with the opinion of either Good or bad
Frankly, I love listening to every point MauLer goes over. I’d never want to skip over anything because nothing he says feels useless or out of place. His commentary helps me to write my own stories well and I find it valuable. It’s unfortunate that Organized Chaos is so caught up in ideology that he only cares to be a contrarian rather than give some thought to what longman is arguing.
I am inspired when I watch MauLer, not Organized Chaos…
@@emuman09 he's definitely one of those "10 minutes of just rambling about personal feelings" type of reviewers
"I spent so *long* making that point clear! I...he's proven to me that there's no point in being *long!* It doesn't work; it doesn't matter how *long!* They just don't listen!"
Mauler is going through the low point of his character arc.
And now it's time for a good old third act second wind!
You can't convince someone who's entire mind works on: "The person I don't like said it, so it must be wrong"
If EFAP was an anime this episode would be the obligatory "meh" filler episode.
@@ghostprojekt To me it's s the unskippable filler thats more interesting than the actual story
@José Manuel Limpias this is like efap used to be.
I really miss them covering videos. They've been covering media I haven't watched for the past like... 20 videos or so. And superchat catchups are pre recorded.
So definitely prefer/miss this.
It's been said before, but Organized Chaos has a face for radio, a voice for print, and opinions for nobody
Disclaimer: When I say your I'm referring to OC and people like him.
When half of your counter-arguments are just exasperation and sighs, I can't consider you an adult. Bro, it looks miserable as hell to be on that side of the aisle (I hate that framing, but I'm more speaking to how they see us. I know politics and wanting good stories are two different things) you're not allowed to think, you only resort to shaming tactics, and constantly in your emotions, it seems like a horrible existence.
...and a "limited edition" collectible Black Widow popcorn bucket for a personality.
@@Bonesawisready926 Just look at the room he's sitting in, this is a miserable, wretched man.
Woooooow
I love every single insult there
Agreed, but I disagree about the face.
It's a face that's perfect for punching.
Organized Chaos when he's grown bored of MauLer's scene-by-scene format: "Does he do like, a summary at the end?"
Organized Chaos once he starts into the summary: "Why is he just like, summarizing, saying it's bad?"
It was actually wild hearing him wanting a summary at the end, then immediately complain that Mauler isn't substantiating his conclusions, as if the entire POINT of the prior HOURS of video wasn't exactly that, substantiating the conclusions presented in the summary at the end.
@@KaNoMikoProductions This basically demonstrates that OC was a dishonest actor this entire time.
Just wish people like that could just come out and say it instead of being so passive-aggressive. It's unhelpful and unhealthy.
The funniest thing is that Org-Chaos is so tired of reacting to mauler's videos (because he doesn't have the brain power to understand them, nor the attention span to listen to the arguments presented) yet Org-Chaos knows that this is his big claim to fame. I've seen this with other big podcasts, they have a parasite or two that caters to the hater mob.
I've also met people like Org-Chaos. Not very intelligent people who latch onto popular things because its popular. They follow the crowd and let the mob dictate fashion. This is the subset of human that Org-Chaos belongs to, and caters to.
Haven't seen this but holy heck, that sounds so dumb he's either intentionally doing it out of spite or... maybe he's actually that much of a dumbarse? Most critics of mauler fall in either category so I'm not surprised.
@@justaguy6613 I have not seen a lot of Organized Chaos (only through others bringing him up, featuring his content in their own), and... I don't believe he's aware of any of his contradictions. He just knows he's "supposed" to hate X, Y and Z so those things are always wrong, and he's always morally superior. Even when he has no argument.
What? Mauler couldn’t get his rant to 3,000 hours? The long man just doesn’t have the stamina he used to.
I haven't seen nearly that many hours of mauler ranting about MOM wheres the rest of it?
@@nautdead3197 It's only for the unlisted gang
@@nautdead3197 It was on one of Mauler's multiversal counterparts channels,but Kang pruned that timeline. You could probably track it down,but if you watch it, you may be melted,so be forewarned....
@@benjamingrant5970 it's a risk worth taking!
Makes me sad. He used to be so... long
The thing about Drinker's glasses is that they are his uniform, what shows he's in character like Razorfist. He's built the character to be a drunk that parties, gets smashed, and wears sunglasses and doesn't give a shit about anything, so for him to take them off like that wasn't just funny for the reaction, but because the Memory Store was so stupid, it caused him to break character. It's a genuine reaction.
Reminds me of Internet Historian’s play through of Last of Us 2 and in the middle of the stream, from exhaustion and attrition, he admits the mask slipped and he broke character slightly 😂
Something I just now realized, years after this cataclysm of cinema blighted the universe, is that xXxOrganizedChaosxXx's BS argument for The Memory Story for a hyper-pedantic plea to "show don't tell" isn't just contradicted by Mauler, and everyone who has more functioning brain cells than operational taste buds, but by *the movie itself*
One of the few good parts (not even a whole scene, just a part of one) is when Dr. Strange is relaying to Concentrated Incel Wizard Cringe Strange the tragic story of his sister's death. The story itself is sad, but it's the way his voice subtly shakes as he tells the story, and all the implications of how that one moment has scared him for life and informed every single decision and character trait about Strange, from his ego, obsession with being the world's greatest surgeon (to save people), his control-freak inclinations, and his disregard for other's parameters and restrictions if it means gaining more power to control, save, and protect others that makes it truly heart-breaking...
... Well, by Chaotic Nasal Cavity's pedantic (il)logic of it always being better show instead of tell (if it means defending a terrible movie he likes from someone he arbitrarily hates), Dr. Strange should have whipped out a spell that does the same thing as The Memory Store and just straight-up showed his sister drowning, robbing the impact that scene would have had from having Strange tell the story himself.
By whatever pathetic electric impulses that loosely count as thoughts that congeal into a fetid ooze of logic in Organized Chaos's malignant brain, The Memory Store scene is better than the scene in Jaws when Quint tells the story of how he barely survived the sinking of the USS Indianapolis.
Let that sink (heh) in...
No-glasses-RAZORFIST is something that haunts my nightmares
That was a very long sentence you wrote
Don't forget his favorite lady, Tatiana.
I fucking love coming back to this video. The guy is genuinely funny to me, he is the TEXTBOOK contrarian. Whenever Mauler makes a point, you can see his brain start to work, and you can tell that the ONLY coherent thought he has is just, "No."
And then he is so fucking bad at coming up with arguments to back that up, he is trying so hard to break through the fog behind the "No.", he ends up contradicting himself, agreeing with Mauler or just capitulizes and sighs.
And this guy has fans.
Fortunately not many, at least when compared to efap and any of its members
@@VetmireEven 1 is too many.
@@thesaintzor625 true lol
There's something about this video that keeps drawing me back to it. It is truly shocking just how spiteful and bad faith Organized Chaos is. This has to be at least in the top 5 people they've covered, or at least top 10. He barely makes any points.
The benefit of redrafting scripts and asking yourself 'What could people say that could break my argument?' is that you get people like Organised Chaos listen to an argument, pause to comment, unpause to listen to Mauler ask exactly what they just said and have it countered. Imagine losing an argument to something that's recorded months before seeing it.
@@nmr7203 god no. He believes he is correct in believing anything he called nitpick is a nitpick.
Yes, however, the comment section on his video massively (pun intended) disagrees with the video and it’s glorious. Every comment comes to the defense of longman!
Yes. This. And @Azure, it goes deeper than that. Look at how he's already bored and keeps lioking down... That's how majority of people watch movies... "Does he even have the floaty boots?"
The people that watch movies in this manner already wouldn't like MauLer because MauLer is obviously "attacking their feelings". (They miss the point: That the movie isn't good. All they see is how a guy is telling them: Look, Organised Chaos Man, look how much of crap you missed that breaks Dr Strange. Chaos Man cannot comprehend it. Because he's already disinterested. And THIS is the audience that Marvel makes movies for. THIS is why jumpscares in horror movies and stupid mindless explosions in superhero movies work. Because distracted people are brought back from the brink of disinterest with explosions and loud noises.)
Its also why the comedy in the MCu literally has pauses for the audience to laugh, so when the people around kinda laugh, bored-old-you in back to being interested in the boring movie, where nothing happens.
And this is why I don't make streams anymore.
It's like the Doctor and Sally Sparrow in "Blink", it's mesmerizing.
Knowing that Mauler spent over 80 hours on that video and then hearing two people who know very little say "That was a lazy video"
you'd think that something in their brain would scream "no" when they make that argument about a 6-hour video. You can literally look at the time stamp and you'd need to drop adjectives like "lazy". If you look a little closer you can see it's edited and realise it actually took a lot longer than 6 hours to make. That means regardless of your feelings you'd need to admit it took a substantial amount of effort to make.
They really are slaves to their mentality.
@@Wyzai not to mention MauLer went through the effort of doing the video timeline chapter headings so that if you don't want to watch the whole video you can quickly and easily find the part you do want to watch, which for a video this size would take some planning ahead/forethought :/
(just one 'I forgot to doublecheck this recordings size and write down the timestamp in the editing bay' and people would be pointing it out)
None of Organized Chaos videos from the last two weeks have more than a thousand views.
Defending the status quo with no intelligent insight is fucking boring apparently.
They think it's lazy because when you break apart a hundred different plot holes of a movie they like, rather than seeing a hundred different unique plot holes being ripped apart, they see it as the generalized sense that all deconstruction of bad plot devices is the same, regardless of the context about each individual plot hole.
When Mauler says things like, "Why did the other Dr Strange waste time killing the girl slowly when he could have just killed her quickly to end the threat?" and all they hear is, "Marvel Movie Bad." So then they go, "How can he make a 4 hour long video just repeating the same sentiment of "Marvel Movie Bad? That's so lazy!"
Meanwhile the retard can’t even get a single argument out, only does a shitty live reaction with no editing, and spends half of the video looking at his phone. These consumers are such sad sacks of shit I stg
There’s a difference between “suspension of disbelief” and insulting the audience’s intelligence
OC's chat seemed to have watched the movie, I think insults might be due.
The solution to that being tons of alcohol.
It's also something that the audience should not have to do as a conscious act. The writers are supposed to create the suspension of disbelief, and then it just happens subconsciously for the audience. It's like comedy... you're supposed to write something funny that causes an involuntary response from the audience (laughter). You're not supposed to write the reboot for Ghostbusters and then tell the audience, "Laugh or you hate women."
@@othertalk3313 apparently that's not how it works for the new generation of writers and comedians...they are here to represent diversity, or something...
@@justaguy6613 Not really.
It's more of a shield to protect themselves from criticism of their less than mediocre scripts.
His frustration is hilarious. "Why do you keep thinking about things? Just consume. It's easier."
Organized Chaos in a nutshell.
It really is baffling how much OC will go about advertising himself as a fan of these franchises and a defender of it all from the “chuds” and bigots and yet… when asked to actually defend stuff he just dismisses it all as “oh it’s just stupid superhero movies why do you care?”
@@BigBroTejano It's because he's a midwit with a god complex. He wants to claim that he's this big advocate for his favorite franchises, but he lacks the creative drive to analyze them.
Jokes were invented when Jennifer Lawrence met Bendydick Combover and realized she could induce a novel reaction in people by mispronouncing his name.
Stunning and brave. I clapped
Seeing Organized Chaos looking disappointed that Mauler didn't hate on America's lesbian moms annoys me more than it should.
It should probably annoy you more. These absolute clowns can barely function outside of the team sports dichotomy to life and politics they’ve anti-thought themselves into (with the help of so very many lies and echo chambers)
When all you have is a bottle of poison, everything starts looking like a well.
@@samuellund1377I am gonna steal this line.
@@samuellund1377 when your full of piss everything looks like a toilet
This guy perfectly epitomises *that* side of the internet. Dude went through Mauler's video hoping and praying that he would say something "anti woke" and looked genuinely depressed that he didn't get the chance to virtue signal and get some kind of moral victory over Mauler.
Exactly and he did it lazily you know he was hoping to find something in the first 5 minutes then skipped to the end hoping something came up and was like crap, I know her two moms that will have what I'm looking for.
He coulda went after others but yeah going after mauler was like going after criticism drinker
Only I’ll informed or haters dmshall follow
I tbh wouldn't care IF I was speaking "anti-woke" rhetoric.
Because Woke isn't progressive, it's regressive a branch of things like Intersectionality and critical Theories, which are Gramscian "Cultural Hegemony" Socialist Garbage.
OC's video really shows what kind of a person he is; not only did he went into MauLer's video with a clear purpose of disagreeing with him about anything possible, he also looked for any dirt he could use against MauLer, like with the two moms... Unfortunately for OC, he had to leave empty handed.
Also, I have to let out some of my frustration... Half of his commentary was basically random *mouth noises* and 100 variations of "hmm", this irritated me so much.
Mauler gets lumped in with the rest of the fandom meance as he is friends with them.
when he does not share the same views.
I can't agree more! I lt pisses me off to no end that someone so beneath MauLer, thinks anything he spits out as a thought, holds a candle to anything that's been already articulated by the long man!
This is a lesson in the power of prejudice.
Not MauLer's - but Organized Chaos'. His predisposition to shitting on MauLer/defending MCU properties has left him completely closed off to MauLer's points. His well has been poisoned, and now nothing gets through the filter that OC has put up to protect himself from nasty "disagreements".
Pathetic - and kind of terrifying to watch. Why? People like this are everywhere, and there's very little encouraging people to cool it. He's so willfully dense he can't even follow basic points. It's one thing if he's ignorant to screenwriting as a craft - it's quite another to literally refuse to hear one's words and construct the argument accurately.
They're really on point about how he literally cannot agree with them
Even when he accidentally does he has to be "confused" or he "can't even"
The man(let) literally makes a counter-argument to Mauler that is exactly what Mauler then goes on the say and he doesn't even notice. I don't believe that he doesn't see when his chat disagrees with him. He definitely just ignores them and probably writes them off as EFAP fans harassing him.
You have to delve into emotional motivations when dealing with someone whose cognitive abilities are so far beneath yours. Unorganized Beard is an idiot narcissist who only cares about venerating his own ego, which is why he was acting in such bad faith, started watching with the intent to disagree with Mauler, deliberately misinterpreted Long Man's arguments (those that he wasn't too stupid to understand), and had the antithetical to objective reality gall to call a near six hour review that took months of meticulous work "lazy" (while all he does is sit in front of a camera and exhale words out of his nose). That's why he was so upset that Mooler didn't say something based about America's moms, because he(?) couldn't immediately declare him a heretic of *THE MESSAGE™* and disregard everything he had to say thereafter. As long as he doesn't give Mewler any credulity, in his solipsistic mind, he can convince himself that he's still right.
Sinus Chaos trying to out-EFAP the King of EFAP is like a playing chess with a pigeon; all it does is knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and then strut about like it won... expect the pigeon was the one to challenge you to a chess match in the first place.
His head is down every time the video is playing like he’s trying to pretend it’s not there. It rly shows when he keeps making comments that’s already been said/countered in the video
@@alexgrass4858 he's reading his chat which is funny because he has to pretend to ignore it too since it keeps bringing up inconvenient points
“It happened in the film, therefore it’s a good choice.” That’s this guy’s level of argumentation. He can’t think beyond what’s in front of his face.
I doubt he remembers anything that passed his face. He seems to operate with the attention span of a fish.
I know not paying attention is a streamer thing, but this is next level.
@@Wyzai I mean... at several points he literally would state one thing to “defend” the film from Mauler... and then later state the complete opposite to also “defend” the film from mauler.
Key example being America’s ability to control her powers with OC taking the “of course she can control her powers!” stance... and then about 20 or so minutes later saying “well how do you know she can control her powers?”
It's like he assumes the writer just knows better and doesn't think critically during a film. He would make a good cultist.
"But its a movie... But its fiction... But its magic..."
Why even cover it then? Why is Org Chaos Man reviewing anything...?
There was someone in the comments section in Fringy's Endgame video who basically said the same thing. It was very exhausting to just keep hearing, "if a different choice would have been better, the Russos would have done it."
The fact that he was hoping for you to be even slightly homophobic is beyond pathetic.
I've never seen a more clear example of one of these woke sjw types wanting to be offended.
If they get offended first they win.
I'm not sure when this started being a thing but here we are.
To be fair, I was
Seeing these left winger types get offended on my behalf is baffling. He wouldn’t be able to handle my brown ass.
Drinker wears sunglasses, because the character he plays is CONSTANTLY HUNG OVER and thus sensitive to light.
That or its it's in his contract with CriticalDoggo.
It is Doggos home after all, Drinker just pays for it.
Damn, I had not thought about that.
Watching EFAP critique Organized Chaos, is like watching three kids beat up the special education kid.
Sounds like lots of fun.
Three adults*
As Chris Chan put it: Americas favorite game, kick the autistic
The special education turtle
And all the other special Ed kids r laughing and joining in on the beating
When Rags suggested "ah he's probably checking out the Memory Store timecode to try and catch MauLer saying something nasty about the Chavez moms", I was like alright, calm down Rags, I know Organized Chaos is your arch-enemy this season but he's probably just following up on how MauLer mentioned during the finale that the moms needed to be saved now that America has The Power...
Oh. No, he uh, actually WAS hunting for homophobia. No wonder he looked so upset when they instead just talked about bees.
Considering what OC tried to snipe Rags on during there Kenobi review back & fourth, you really shouldn't have been shocked.
@@TheRoflcer Oh I wasn't around for whatever the origin of Rags v OC was.
This guy is just ridiculous. He goes to see if Mauler will comment on America having two moms just so that he can condemn him and is actually disappointed that Mauler didn't care. He hates Mauler so much that every point Mauler makes he has to disagree and if he does agree he looks all sad about it.
This chaos guy is doing something even more horrible right now on twitter. He's condemning the Sound of Freedom movie and siding with the mainstream media calling the movie fake propaganda just 'cause people like Nerdrotic and GeeksandGamers like the movie. Literally siding with Hollywood elite weirdos to own the conservatives
People like this NEED to find ANYTHING to try to gain that clout being a social media Proggressive gives one when on that side.
@@darkzeroprojects4245That's very sad.
It's pathetic, but sadly the current thing.@@MegaSpideyman
And honestly tire of it.
I use "we'll efap that later" in my job (ad agency) in regards to topics we'll go over in a separate meeting in detail. First time I did it there were 2 out of 5 at the table who laughed and understood. Now it is a standing term.
Assuming you’re excluding yourself from the tally, that means HALF of the people you associate with at your job are in the toxic brood. Awesome workplace.
Ok that’s pretty fuckin awesome man 😂
That's hilarious. I'm a bit surprised there was anyone else who understood what you meant the first time though.
@@JohnSmith-zl1tr The two who understood are in their mid 20s, I am 42, I think they were more surprised about office-dad being a Long-Man disciple :D
The other 3, “I don’t know why he said he’s gonna jerk it to the idea of this meeting…”
Holy fuck this is hilarious, pathetic and sad at the same time. I feel like every time he hears an argument, the hamster in his head just plops on the wheel, spins for a while and either farts, making him do that "ugh" sound or presses the automatic response button saying "That's just a nitpick". Funniest part of this is he complains about a 6h video full of points, arguments, jokes and references, while he made an hour long video of nothing worth of value.
Mauler = 6 hour video / 30,000 words / 200 jokes / Clip after clip after clip of references.
OC = 1 hour video / (Heavy Sigh), (Heavy Sigh), (Heavy Sigh)
*Jeb in his head
Amen 🦏🥛
Organized Chaos is probably the biggest Dunning-Kruger candidate MauLer has butted heads with, and that list includes MovieBob.
The dude is simply... not bright to put it mildly. He struggles to grasp basic arguments, and he always blames the people making the arguments for him not understanding them.
One nitpick is fine, a film that you can make 6h worth of nitpicks of is flawed. That is a perspective that he also ignored.
The fact that the guy was openly disappointed that Mauler isn’t homophobic really says everything you need to know about his mindset
Savior comple
"I like how they're bitching about it, but their grand solution to it is to have some _dialogue."_
He sets up the premise as if having dialogue is just out of the question. Like if you have 30 seconds of screen time with people talking and emoting and no CGI effects, the audience will just get up and walk out of the theater.
Remember Saving Private Ryan? Remember the scene in the church when all the soldiers are bonding and the one soldier shares a memory that hints that he has regrets about not sharing more the time he had with his mother? Remember that scene when Private Ryan laughs over the memory of his brothers getting into shenanigans until he remembers that it was probably the last time he ever saw them alive? You might think that those scenes are really deep, poignant moments that made the movie better by building those characters through backstory without taking you from the setting depicted in the film, but you'd be wrong. That movie was clearly shit because they just talked about those memories instead of walking past a CGI Memory Store in the bombed out streets of France where the movie could literally force the images into your eyeballs.
According to those two chode choking man babies, the memory store scene in Multiverse of Gynocentricism is better than the scene in Jaws where Quint tells the story of how he survived the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, because they heard the rule "show, don't tell," but have absolutely no idea what it means...
... yet at the same time, *the very first line of dialogue* in Multiverse of Mommy-Worship is blunt line of explanatory dialogue that tells instead of shows, and Unorganized Crap emphatically defended it.
They claim "show, don't tell" is gospel, but cannot comprehend anything that they are not directly told.
[suddenly Palpatine]
"Ironic..."
This is some of the most NPC media review blathering I've ever seen.
@@DaMaster012No fucking way....Quint's Indianapolis speech is probably one of the greatest dialogue oriented scenes in cinema history. That story is quintessential to the entire movie's plot and is one of the best examples of thematic foreshadowing out of the last 6 decades. I'm not sure what's worse; that they're only saying that out of misplaced ignorance in order to defend their position or those two poor, misguided souls actually believe a contrived memory store trope comes even close to such an iconic scene.
Anyone stupid enough to malign dialogue as "lazy" is also stupid enough to not get the intricacies of such great dialogue. Classic dunning-krueger. "The skills needed to give a right answer are the same skills needed to know what a right answer looks like"
"we are not going to watch a full MauLer video"
"eh, no one does"
I do... :(
The logical assumption is that most of his subscribers do. Otherwise they wouldn't be subscribed.
Logic is hard, though. It requires you to pay attention.
What I don't get is how people think that you're expected to watch a +4 hour video in a single sitting. As though UA-cam is television and you can't pause and come back later. Most long form content is broken up into segments, giving the viewer clear stopping points if they'd like to use them.
@@Trisket youtube even remembers where you left off 98% of the time. I think it's a function on most websites like it.
you can literally stop the video and go do life, then come back later and you'll be within 30 seconds of where you were.
@@Wyzai I usually listen to a Mauler/ EFAP video either during my morning/afternoon commute or at the gym. Long form content is basically perfect for that kind of stuff. Of course, I doubt Mr Organized Chaos has ever seen the inside of a gym.
As time goes on, i understand why sayings like ‘mindless entertainment” and ‘turn your brain off and enjoy” are so common, because people like ‘organized chaos” exist, and have the comprehension skills of a brick. ^.-.^
People say in order to enjoy something you gotta turn your brain off, and I can't disagree more. Misfits has some really damn tismy moments, and those usually leave me floored laughing as much if not more than their actual jokes. The issue with MOM is that it is offensively bad compared to what it should be, a multi million dollar story made with care. These people will settle for less and more and Disney obliges. We're all laughing... But at the end of the day that's just sad. Also I think he's a rock, bricks have structure.
Also, there is a very valid argument to consuming movies like that... But that's SUBJECTIVE! And not the point of a MauLer video...
Also, MauLer has evolved as a critique, from just criticizing a movie to actually offering alternatives as solutions, and really fleshing them out...
This sort of stuff is actually helpful to writers to avoid the traps and conventions, and in breaking the bad traditions. I'm tired of the "it goes with the genre" as a put-down of an objective argument.
How hard is it to fix that bee? Remove the bee, replace it with a charging rhino or a tiger. And a panicked America Chavez triggers a portal in self defence and it teleports HER away. Which makes it clear that her powers CAN function outside her when its about self preservation. Kinda like Dr Stange's Cloak, it works for Strange but can be autonomous too. After Endgame, I don't give a shit about "portals" as a superpower. Its boring. And even though there's so much you could do, this movie does nearly nothing with portals that is neat/clever/interesting.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Fair but I disagree with the charging animal. It's gotta be something more naturally occurring than a random dangerous animal. If I had to do that scene I'd probably go for a drowning and the parents jump in after only for all of them to get thrown through the portal. If I had to have it as short as the original she'd be chasing some pretty insect and start sliding off a ledge, they try and grab her but she looks down and panics.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 - nah, it's gotta be something uncommon for that age. Despair, maybe. Not just fear. Seeing someone die, perhaps - or seeing a corpse, maybe.
Dark, and subsequently difficult to work in - but if it's something as common as fear then the whole thing is nonsense.
If i was ever going to criticise Mauler, the absolute last thing i'd be coming for is his work ethic, his effort, the quality of his videos, his research or his reasoning. That initial video was 5 hours of dissertation level analysis on Marvel as a company losing the thread that is holding its properties together, interwoven seamlessly into valid critiques of the erosion of writing in modern film, then bringing it home as it pertained to Strange 2. It was damn near gold.
This is such a bad faith "reaction" by Organised Chaos, maliciously seeking to use left aligned political values to desperately try to pin Mauler as some sort of right wing gay hating styrofoam muncher. He is neither patient, nor smart enough to comprehend the levels your analysis went into.
I'm so annoyed watching this guy grunt his way through intelligent academic breakdowns, missing the purpose of the cutaways for levity, constantly interrupting while you're making a point to exclaim "YOU just overthink it. You nitpick too much" etc. Then of course, bitching about length and not being able to follow what was going on while playing on his phone rather than having the fucking DECENCY to pay basic attention. For doubling down on weird defences of the film, and also having the gaul to present his ugly streams as he does, then to critique you for your voice, your editing and your production quality? Nah man.
You deserve so much more than this half arsed affair.
Not that my politics had to surface at all during this, but as a lefty European myself I thoroughly enjoy your hyper "nitpicky" breakdowns for all the aforementioned reasons. I gladly devote evenings to you and your boys' critiques. Mauler, you and your possé do great work.
Incredibly underrated comment. Well said.
Here here.
There are so many thing OC’s doing in the response that are the exact kind of mean-spirited and bad faith approaches that others who are unfamiliar with EFAP would often PIN ON EFAP. The lack of self awareness is baffling and it’s hard not to feel super bad for Mauler in this one because it feels like OC and his guest are ripping into mauler simply because they don’t like him (which is based on nothing).
Mauler, you dont realize what you've done to this poor man. You have destroyed the MCU for him. He can never unsee the things you've pointed out. And he he's angry you've stolen his brain dead takes and thoughtless enjoyment.
Just as Just Write predicted. Truly these are sad times. /s
Bold of you to assume that this guy could grasp any of the points made when he hasn't demonstrated any capacity to do that in this video or that he will make the connection between the criticisms he saw here and apply/notice them in the future.
I feel really bad for Mauler sometimes, man puts so much work into his videos and yet even after all these years, people will skip through his videos and just assume he hates everything and then say things he says that he straight up didnt...without even hearing what he has to say or thinking about it for 2 seconds. Clearly, he cares as he says, "It may be fun for you guys but it's not fun for me." Poor guy.😮💨😮💨😮💨
I don't skip through his vids - his MoM is mostly garbage. Nothing great about it
It's worse than just that. The length of his video is often used as a terrible argument for why it should just be dismissed out of hand. Making arguments and backing it up with evidence is apparently low effort somehow.
Mauler:
Dr Strange 02 is mindlessly long and doesn't say anything. Here's the things they could have said but skipped it because of incompetence, lack of faith in their audience or simply for the spectacle.
NPC reaction:
Mauler's video is too long and doesn't say anything in the first 02 mins (wrong) and I'm not watching 6 hours of this trash (okay).
Most of his detractors are dumb as a door, so he is kind of vindicated.
I remeber a really long thread about it where some tries to criticize it on those grounds but it all just falls into.
“It’s too long and just nit picking.”
If they never watch even a chunk of it like say an hour how can they dismiss the whole thing.
How many times have we seen efap sit through and go over entire arguments to judge the merits of a small video. Over a hundred at least.
I was going to unsubscribe from Maulers channel for Rag and Jays obvious character flaws, but then he redeemed himself when he revealed how bloodthirsty he is towards teenagers
America: "I might have accidentally killed my two moms."
Strange: "I'ma cut your head off, bitch."
That's a nitpick
(((((character flaws)))))
What's wrong with those two?
@@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329 its a nitpick
2:24:55 I miss Wolf. That pure joy in his laughter puts a smile on my face, it is infectious.
I do too,but hearing how he still does these a tad in private with mauler and having. A laugh is nice to know
He's in a better place....
Off social media.
@@tylercoon1791 if only the rest of us could be so wise
@@tylercoon1791 knowing how he is still being used by anti-efap crew who are chronically/terminally online on the internet to sh*t on them for the dumbest reasons? Totally.
This man is the embodiment of that scene from Happy Gilmore after he gives the speech. "Nothing you said made any sense during your entire rambling, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
I can't believe I got the movie wrong. I meant Billy Madison. 😭
@@SymonOnua just for admitting your small mistake, you're already a million times better than any of these lolcows that get ripped on on efap. Cataclysmic standards I know, but it is what it is...
The thing I've realized arguing with one of my friend over movies is that they just don't question things established by the movie.
"The evil book is evil because the movie said it's evil."
"But look at all the examples of good it can cause. Using a evil power for good is a common trope that has some arguably real applications. Look at what it did in the movies!"
"But it's evil!"
Organized Chaos strikes me as one of those people.
The book of vishanti when burning had a distinctive star in it.. let me guess the plot twist in the (when they get around to) Murrica movie is either she or her parents made the book..
@@Super-Sheepy she is all the book, just like Rey and the Jedi D:
Epic plot twist.
My husband is one of those people. I consistently use him to prove/disprove theories on Normie culture.
We recently watched A New Hope, so I asked him what he thought Obi-Wan Kenobi’s motivations were for allowing Vader to kill him while Luke watched
His response “Obi-Wan didn’t allow Vader kill him. Vader killed him because they were enemies.”
Hence proving most people
1 do not pay attention
2. do not think about anything deeper than surface level.
@@yourenotmarywelcome8693 My condolences.
@@Touriquette Thank you for your kind words.
WHAT?! Setting dialogue around a kitchen table isn’t interesting?!? Have you seen Inglorious Basterds?? The opening scene is LITERALLY two characters talking at a kitchen table and it’s some of the most tense, gripping cinema I’ve ever seen!!!
Reminds me of Cinematic Venom "Writing 800 pages isn't more work, if anything it's just lazier."
How do people get this retarded?
pick basically any Tarantino film and you'll have at least one scene of characters sitting around talking about what is functionally irrelevant to the movie.... but the way the characters interact with each other during the conversation sets up so much later on
The diner scene in Reservoir Dogs is a fantastic example of this as well.... you have a large cast of characters relevant to the story, and one of the first scenes of the movie is them just sitting around a table talking. However each one of them is explicitly defined for the audience for the rest of the movie simply based on how they interact with each other. It's a short, efficient, entertaining scene..... and it's all just dialogue
Dialogue really is what separates good writers from Disney writers
Also Django, multiple scenes around dinner tables that are fucking great
Honorable mention for the X-Men first class scene in the Argentinian Bar.
You have to understand something; Organized Chaos and his audience have the attention span of a gold fish.
I don't get how some people can't fathom the fact people actually enjoy really long film analysis videos. They're interesting, entertaining, funny, and if you enjoy film analysis and the depth that goes into film and writing then it's genuinly enjoyable, even if you're doing something while you watch
Yeah, I understand how the "Long Man" is memeable but I've never quite understood using the length of his critiques or essays as though it's ammunition against him.
They just don’t understand
I had family members that shit on them
Me I love them
"It's a solo movie" is the dumbest criticism. What's the point of a 'cinematic universe' if parts of it appear / disappear at the writer's whim?
I don't agree. The dumbest criticism to date is still "It's just FIcTIoN",
Weird, the people that complain about movie reviews being longer than the movie itself had no issue with the college film class they inevitably took that talked about a single movie for weeks.
You're making the assumption they even went to college.
@@TheUfaraV2 At least half the commentary community are failed film students.
@@mariokarter13 No, no, failed film makers. The student part is easy for them. That next step... well, that requires a little bit of actual talent.
Bold to assume they went to school
Do all colleges have obligatory film class tho?
My headcanon for the two post-credit scenes in MoM is that there is only a short amount of time that passes in between the two scenes. After Strange screams into the air, he picks himself back up from off the ground, wipes the dust off his knees, throws his scarf back around his neck, and continues walking down the street like he *didn't* just have a huge mental breakdown (typical New Yorker behavior); and then about a block later he gets confronted by Comic Book woman and we go from there.
Edit: In regards to his outfit changing- uh- he changes them via magic about halfway down the block, just because. Idk.
His clothes were stolen by a homeless man while he was having the mental breakdown
@@mrminecraftcubeable Amazing!
Because he is embaressed by people starring at him and wanted to melt back into the crowd
MY headcannon is its two different Dr Strange people... One in one dimesnion and the other in another. Because its so disjointed.
This guy is actually infuriating. I admire your ability to find humor in this lol my blood pressure rose every time he missed a point. Might need to get my heart checked after this
Bro same here I got sooo angry
I can tolerate my Skype besties for still trying to enjoy Phase 4 (although there are cracks with some having the honesty of admitting it's pretty sucky and disappointing for the most part) and turning the other cheek to SO MANY GODDAMN PROBLEMS of the movies, especially Multiverse of Madness, but this fucking tool saying "You're just nitpicking!", "Well, the magic is only partially explained so they can do weird shit", "Well, it's just a movie, you know how boring it'd be if it all made sense???" I just see the death of culture and art.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... no, beauty is the delusion of the consoomer who can't make a good rebuttal to save their goddamn lives.
Here's the thing: I thought about giving the people who criticise Mauler a chance to see if maybe I am biased, but seeing this guy is one of the center pieces of the anti-efap, I've now immediately decided to NEVER listen to anyone associated with him EVER. I'm pretty open minded, but even I have my limits. This is the most extreme bad faith I've seen, even Quinton was mild as the British spicy foods.
Timestamps
0:00 The Secret EFAP
1:48 PolyRags
2:12 Games
3:15 Holidays Movies
4:44 Mauler Killed The Marvel Star
8:00 Organised Chaos
10:08 Seatbelts & Preparation
12:24 Beginning
18:55 Watching Mauler’s Rage
22:30 Opossum
24:45 Defender Strange (1)
26:25 An Answer
27:35 Mauler’s Voice
29:56 A Priceless Reaction
35:12 Defender Strange (2)
56:21 Dr Whatshisname
1:14:43 The Wedding
1:23:07 A Painful Cathead
1:31:11 America’s Power (1)
1:32:54 Wanda’s Death
1:33:58 The Darkhold
1:38:54 Love, Actually…No.
1:39:51 Nitpicking
1:42:12 Ending
1:46:33 The Third Eye
1:48:23 Post Credit Scene
1:51:00 Ragstradamus (1)
1:52:23 The Memory Store (1)
2:25:55 Critical Drinker’s Sunglasses (1)
2:28:07 The Memory Store (2)
2:31:16 Ragstradamus (2)
2:35:27 Connection Problems
2:46:27 Multiverse Explanation (1)
3:04:34 Skipping To Mauler’s Final Points
3:09:47 The Less Organised And More Chaotic Conclusion
3:14:32 Mauler Makes Bad Content
3:22:36 Critical Drinker’s Sunglasses (2)
3:24:52 The Memory Store (3)
3:26:10 The Importance Of Dialogues
3:36:49 The Memory Store (4)
3:39:08 America’s Power (2)
3:41:34 Multiverse Explanation (2)
3:49:16 Nitpicking
3:52:09 Characters Are Liars (1)
3:53:19 Made 4 Money
3:54:40 Characters Are Liars (2)
3:59:35 Attention & Effort
4:01:54 Repetition, Reference & Jokes
4:05:32 The Positive Reviewer
4:08:08 Final Thoughts
4:13:33 Black Adam’s Superchats
4:39:54 Conclusion
thank you for your service
Needs a pin.
Why isnt this upvoted more
Every essay is just the thesis restated over and over again.
*bump* 🍻
"This is a visually interesting way of doing it rather than just having a boring conversation about it" I got eyestrain from the eye roll. 12 angry men, one of the greatest plays/movies of last century is just a dialogue between 12 men.
Reservoir Dogs is basically all dialogue, but that movie too is well loved
I don't even know what this even means in relation to the scene.
The scene is LITERALLY just Christine and Steven having a conversation, but with a wiggly filter.
As if present-day Hollywood is good at dialogue. All their dialogue is "meta", preaching at the audience, costing their stories quality and their studios, time and money.
The memory store has a scene that is literally just strnage and the girl talking: it’s literally telling us
The Man From Earth is mostly just one guy telling his story to his friends, with the friends at times asking questions. The visual story telling there is in the acting (though it isn't that great).
Is this the guy who says that Rags is racist because he called Reva a clown person?
I still don't get the logic there on how "clown person" is racist...
I believe it's because she is black. OC assumes that because Rags used person he must be referring to black people.
It's because she's Black.
Rags has been caught saying the n-word stop lying about Rags
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 did he say it in a derogatory way to insult people?
It's because how dare he insult that brave black character! She's a wonderful representation, and to call this child torturing, child murdering, and regular murdering, character that needed a Nazi allegory to tell her to 'chill on the bloodlust'.... A CLOWN? How dare he.
I like how he said "Brutally killing her"
As if a quick off switch like crushing her head would be less brutal then forcefully draining her life force to take her power.
Organised Chaos in a nutshell: "I don't know if..., it could be..., it might be...., but Mauler is wrong anyways."
On a side note, it's sad to see that a lot of people on this world still don't think with Portals.
For real, do you know how much on the spot portal technology could help humanity? Let's even take emergency services for example using those trained with the sling rings:
"HELP My husband's having a heart attack!" Just do a little arm wave and zip him straight into the ER, no ambulance/car ride needed.
"HELP My house is on fire!" Little flick of the wrist and dozens of gallons of water are airdropped on/in the house via portal.
"HELP We need the police!" Quick circle and suddenly you've got an entire squadron where they need to be instantly.
Sorcery clearly isn't something that's so hidden from the world anymore either, since Dr. Strange basically blew that door off its hinges and everyone knows about magic and sorcery now. I get that portal technology shouldn't just be dropped into the general public's hands, after all they've been proven to be very dangerous, from trapping sling ringless people in other dimensions to even removing body parts, but training professionals in their use would help so, so much.
By the way, this is the guy who liked Kenobi and responded to Rags in a video. That should tell you enough on his tastes in media.
Yup, thats him. Your in for a treat.
Aaah yes the guy who thinks a lightsaber can do whatever each director wants it to do.... continuity be damned
😂😂😂👌👌👌
WAIT THAT'S THE SAME MAN? I KNEW HIS PATHETIC VOICE SOUNDED FAMILIAR
The guy with a black widow cup. He’s pathetic.
Dude, when this guy tried to defend the Memory Store, I knew he just was arguing for the sake of arguing.
You should see his response to Baggage Claim's She Hulk vid. Basically he spends the entire video accusing BC of being a "pick me", insisting that the show knows Jen is bad even though it doesn't, deliberately misreading her arguments, and repeating the tired She Hulk defense of acting like the few token men the show doesn't treat like absolute trash proves the show doesn't hate men.
Their hatred of dialogue is so telling about their taste in movies. Some of the most interesting, compelling, tense scenes ever are just dialogue. Anton Chigurh and the gas station owner is one of the greatest scenes ever, the opening of Inglorious Basterds, the entirety of 12 Angry Men. These people are literally so shallow it’s insane that they consider themselves critics of any kind.
They've heard "Show, don't tell" but haven't understood it. Worse, they think they do understand it.
@llcoolray3000 The funny thing is, I'd argue that the Memory Show scene is the visual version of telling not showing.
@@SolarDragon007 It absolutely is, that's not really even questionable.
I'm rewatching this and I'm reminded of the memory store and it made me think about "Show, don't tell." The problem is that people like Organized Chaos take it literally. Telling bad, showing good. Dialogue is bad because it's just telling, while memory store good because we are seeing what happened. But that is not what "show, don't tell" is supposed to mean; it's not supposed to be literal, it's supposed to mean use subtext to make the audience figure things out on their own. I found a better phrase to use, though I don't remember where I first saw it: "serve, don't feed". The writer is a waiter and they need to bring the food to the audience. A bad waiter would bring the food to the audience in the most literal way, taking the food and putting it in the audience's mouths. A good waiter places the food on the table, and it is up to the audience to consume it in their own way at their own pace.
The memory store is feeding the audience. We don't get anything except a literal recreation of what happened in their life. Sure, we are literally shown it, but the information is being told to us by the writers in the most direct way imaginable. Dialogue, meanwhile, abstracts the information. A character's biases can start to seep in. Are they telling the whole story? Is there stuff that they omit? Are they embellishing? Did things happen exactly as they said or are they misremembering small but key details? Do they look at the event differently in hindsight? How reliable is the character when it comes to narrating events? While the top level information is literally told, the subtext is shown by what a character chooses to say. There is no subtext in a memory store, it's just text.
as a person who was heavily abused as a child, i find the concept of memory store absolutely horrifying. i remember shit i never want to remember again, and i can't even imagine how horrible i would've felt if anyone else saw those things. it's existence in ds:mom would be enough to turn me off the movie completely, if it wasn't so shit on its own
also: i do find the little clips of efap in maulers videos purposeful and fun (even though i watch all efaps, and have been doing so for quite a while); they do promote efap too! i started by following mauler's channel, then wondering whether i could watch the streams those clips were from - and here i am
Yeah, I mean just imagine the lawsuits for setting off people's PTSD that place would get. Hey, remember that time you were trapped in that earthquake? And you, sir, remember that time your best school buddy got his head blown off in front of you ten miles outside Kabul?
The technology would have immense value in a therapists office, but a pad in the middle of the street? Damn
That's how I found EFAP too! I was like "Where are all these fun conversations taking place?"
I don't think the concept of a memory store is that bad in itself, it's just the way it was executed. You can just step on it in the middle of the street and it shows the entire street your memories? Isn't that embarrassing? How do the store owners make money?
@@thebatman4279 it's probs free
"Let's check to see if Mauler made any comment about America having two moms that I can twist". Wow, mask off moment there.
I can't believe OC said a 6 hour video is "no effort". I'm in the midst of a Transformers 4 script and I'm ~20 pages in. I've only gotten approximately 40 minutes into a 2 hour and 40 minute movie. I haven't even recorded anything yet. What Mauler does takes hard work and dedication for sure.
Your dedication to the cause of Long will not soon be forgotten
How much of that is due to the whole Romeo and Juliet laws part of the movie?
@@italyspit5192 I haven't even made it to that part and that alone is going to take two pages minimum
This video shows how close these three are. Fringy and Rags getting upset on Mauler’s behalf is true friendship man
it's really neat seeing this kinda thing, I felt that way during the Jay and streamers arcs when i learned that mauler sat through all the streams and edited them down to something they could actually watch with the least amount of mental damage.
@@kusakabe3264 yes exactly! It was sweet to see them all get upset on Jay’s behalf. I can’t understand why people think these guys are bad people when they support each other like this
@@kusakabe3264 what's better? Jay was initially a critic of Mauler's video, came on the show to have a conversation about the film and... here we are about 5 years later...if only one of these doofuses could just chill out like our resident sweetheart Jay!
@@justaguy6613 yeah it's wild to go back and watch the efaps where they're responding to jay. And as far as I remember, they're not noticeably hostile to him back then, either.
@@kusakabe3264 see this is the thing: they're never hostile to someone they're watching UNLESS it's very very very clear that the person they're reacting to is acting on bad faith...even then Mauler gets upset for 2 seconds and then laughs it off... seriously, he's a bundle of wholesome tbh. I could never be this patient with such dumbarses...In fact, I did get very pissed on twitter when mauler got slandered by these people, I can't even imagine that being targeted at me and keeping my cool!
The only way that I can describe organized chaos is that he's a man that lives aggressively at the present.
Judging by his memory skills, I think the present is the only place in time that he's capable of comprehending.
Seeing Organized Chaos being covered with Rags present is like seeing the Calendar Man being the main antagonist in a Justice League movie where Batman teams up with Superman and Martian Manhunter.
Is Fringy Martian Manhunter in this scenario?
I mean to be fair, depending on the comic/media in question there have been times when Calendar Man has been a fairly serious threat given his intelligence and the brutality of his crimes.
@@karbonknight2278 I mean... he does kinda fit with his greeney-ness and alien-ness due to being Australian.
@@BigBroTejano true but I feel like OC isn't in the dangerous arc yet. Waiting for him to form a Legion of Doom esque society consisting of the EFAP covered lol cows for some anti-EFAP where they awkwardly talk about them and consider any video approaching 3 hours too long to even consider a good livestream.
Now I'm picturing a comic where superman fights calendar man but he just spends the whole comic laughing at him and being annoyed
"Do people even watch this whole thing?" Yes. Twice. Its one of the most engaging videos to listen to while at work to me. I might be missing on the visual, but i'll live :V
People like him have no idea how enjoyable listening to EFAP can be while working or doing chores. I unironically listened to EFAP #93 almost 10 times over the past three years.
Oh, and I'm rewatching this for the nth time too! OC's stupidity is just way too funny.
"I feel empty and sort of cringe... Like a response video with no arguments."
-Bilbo Baggins
This one cracked me :)))))))))
" *nasal vocal-fry noises* "
-Bilhaos Organins
@@MrScartz123 Glad to read it.
Are you proud to have over 1000 comments of this vapid nonsense?
@@HerohammerStudios Yes.
Twitter has led to a strange group of people who say "ugh" so often that cavemen would consider them illiterate.
damn, this is a sick burn 😂
I think it's the first time I see someone getting dunked on by a pre-recorded vid they are supposedly responding to.
His pauses and vapid comments are too perfectly in line with MauLer's vid that I refuse to believe it's not parody
That's really the whole gist of Oragnized Chaos and I still can't tell if this is really sad or not
@@italyspit5192
Well, let's just say he's a walking parody then. Laugh at it, but just assume he's living life to the fullest.
Mikayel in OC's chat : I pity the MauLer fans that show this to their friends, god can you imagine.
Yes well, I envy you, sir. I wish I too could blissfully consume product without thinking about how little sense it makes in the world.
Edit: As I get further and further in, this dude is such a little ass sniffer for OC. It's adorable.
Edit Edit: Another classic one - "I'm tired of MauLer, can we watch an EVS vid?" Why? Because he's more your speed, doesn't have as many good points? What's wrong luv, MauLer making your head hurt? Wanna turn off that brain of yours?
I pity Mikayel for being subscribed to OC. Watching him is as fun as watching paint dry.
@@mysteriouscapitalist4033 Take time if you can, look back at all his comments, they are so adorable, he LOVES OC, Chaos is his best friend, his mentor, his messiah on taking down evil critiques
@@xpurplethighs7596 which is bizarre, usually you only see people simping for streamers that at least have A personality to speak of.... OC can't even put fake emotion into his fake outrage...
@@petriew2018 you know what they say, there's someone for everyone
@@petriew2018or some tits… oh wait OC does have those…
This guy is like the love child of cinematic venom and cosmonaut variety hour, he gets AAAAAALL of the facts wrong and delivers his words with such a beautiful nasally grading voice
Dude at 3:15:00 saying Mauler's review was lazy, when he's sitting there like Jabba the Hut in front of an unmade bed and a wall that looks like it was last painted when he was 14.
I could've lived a full and long life without having heard this man grunt even once. Thank you, EFAP.
If Organised Chaos' grunts had as much meaning behind them as Kratos' then ... uhm well, even then he would be terrible, so nevermind.
Still better than Shapiro's Batman reaction noises tho
Somehow this guy has a more annoying voice than Shapiro and that’s impressive. He’s like the liberal Shapiro.
Fortunately, no woman will ever hear him grunt.
@@DaMaster012 But his bull does. 😏
Clown boy thinks the term clown is racist
Lol he does doesn't he?
BwaHaHaHaHa!
@@yetanotherspuart3993 Haven't gotten to that point yet I don't think, how is it racist?
@@HolyApplebutter
It was Rag''''''''''s vid.
Rag''''''''''s called Riva a clown.
That was deemed racist
@@yetanotherspuart3993 Ah, gotcha.
"You wouldn't say that about a white man" was the exact wording, I believe.
One of my favorite scenes in _Jaws_ is when Quint is sharing his experience in the _USS Indianapolis_ disaster with Brody and Hooper. The scene is so simple: it's just three men sitting around a table talking while eerie music plays faintly in the background. But the monologue is so engrossing, the setting so atmospheric, and Robert Shaw's acting so compelling that it totally sucks you into the moment.
So given what a stink Organized Chaos and his sleep-deprived cohort made about "visual storytelling," would they condemn this scene for how dialogue-heavy it is? I guess we should rewrite it so that the _Orca_ just happens to drift past a floating Memory Store at that particular moment, Quint suddenly blurts out "Hey, Chief, I got somethin' to show ya," and jumps up onto the memory pad so that we can SEE the _Indianapolis_ blow up and the sailors get picked off by sharks one by one. Because that way it would be "visual," as all films are apparently supposed to be. Would Organized Chaos consider this an upgrade?
Perhaps he would also prefer if instead of having the whole lunch debate in Jurassic Park in which all the characters are talking to each other, he would probably enjoy it better if Ian Malcom starts suddenly has this accurate flash of the future showing what’s going to happen in the movie that’s completely illustrated by “visuals storytelling.” Honestly, there are several examples that would be good to show this man of using dialogue and I would be curious how he would react to them
Well he proved throughout this video he's essentially incapable of understanding even a simply constructed argument so he probably wouldn't be able to understand the scene.
I believe it was Brandon Sanderson who said something along the lines of: “Magic isn’t interesting for the things it can do, but rather the things it can’t.”
Basically: Magic that can do anything whenever the wielder wants it to isn’t interesting to an audience but if there r limits to it than that is what makes it interesting. But the directors don’t understand this concept and worse still, they just throw magic out without considering the implications (like creating wine from another liquid).
The showrunner of WandaVision, Jac Schaeffer, saw the Darkhold as Chthon, the being who has been "forging" Wanda, playing sly mind games with the reader.
Sam Raimi: "Evil book make you evil, no need to explain it just evil book bad!"
Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio is about a wooden puppet coming to life, but its explained why and they set rules with Death each time Pinocchio dies that stay consistent all the way through, ending up having good internal logic and stakes.
Not "I can throw all kinds of spells but I wont use them in battle in smart ways.
Its totally not bad writing, I get fatigued even though I do magic pretty effortlessly, uh... just dont think look at the pretty colors!!"
How dare you guys try to run Organized Chaos off UA-cam? 😤
Yes, this is what organized chaos said after Rags' first (or maybe even his second) response video to him.
Yes, because "criticism" to him is the same as "silencing" him.
He must be a CNN fan.
He's an imbe ile of the highest order ( organised chaos that is)
Which is funny because the guy's entire thing is riding Nerdrotic, The Quartering, Sargon of Akkad, and Critical Drinker's coattails. He's finally getting some attention from this corner of the internet, and now he wants to play the victim.
I don't want anyone to "run him off the internet" in any way. But... if he did go away forever, we could all consider it addition by subtraction
@@billsutherby I don't want to lose a lolcow like organized chaos
It's always inspiring to see that even special people like OC can make youtube videos. Brings a tear to my eye.
Hey! Us SPEDS do not accept him
No, he's not special. The best way to describe him is that he tries so hard to take down these channels. Unfortunately for him, his voice is horrible. He doesn't know much or anything about story writing and what makes a good one. He wants so badly to be popular, but...well y'all watched the same video I did.
Makes me wanna tear my eyes out too
Tears of anguish for me
@moonlitsjylight5740
He will be famous but not the way he wanted
2:31:32
"I guess he's not homophobic. That's a bummer" - OC 2022
I’ve come to the conclusion that Organized Chaos doesn’t like critical thinking. Poor lad. 😢
Going to the significant memory portion. My dad was in high school going to the bathroom and someone got in the stall next to his. Then what sounded like 3-4 guys walked in broke open the neighboring stall door and started to beat the crap out of the guy. My dad put his legs up against his stall door just in case they decided to break his open too. They eventually left without going after my dad, but the guy who got beat up was his friend. My dad recognized the whimpering voice after the attack and asked if he was ok. His friend got his arm broken as well as a bunch of bruises. I don't remember if he lost teeth or not. So yes, there are significant memories that can happen when you are on the toilet. My dad remembers that, and I am certain his friend did as well.
The irony that one person called a 6-hour breakdown, fully written out, with massive amounts of editing, "low effort", while Organized Chaos just watches Mauler's video while adding nothing but "This is bad", "This is nitpicking" over and over. He didn't even watch much of it. He didn't watch some beforehand to prepare some counter-examples ahead of time. He just watched it live and posted the video. And that person in his chat called Mauler's video "low effort". The guy in the bottom couldn't even be bothered make his bed. Org. Chaos and his chat are special.
The guy in the bottom? Jonah Shill? xD
"Show don't tell" should really be called "Imply don't spoon-feed".
Alternatively, show the effects of choices and actions, don't just tell us they happened.
I knew OC was quite dense when I watched Rag's's's's responses, but watching him struggle to grasp basic, straightforward arguments presented by Mauler makes me think, that he somehow time traveled to the present from the year 2505 in the Idiocracy timeline.
I don't think he's struggles to understand it, more so he actively dispels any criticism through sheer ignorance.
He clearly had no intention of listening to any of the points made.
Probably still bangs his sister who is also his mother and grandmother.
His brain is as smooth as his hairline
He’s obviously one of the robot’s who escaped West World.
He struggles with If/Than statements, it's embarrassing.
I just realized that the memory store is even dumber than we gave it credit for. The thing about memories is that they're imperfect. They are not a 1:1 recreation of what you saw. Your own biases will taint your memories. Look at how Arcane shows how Jinx's memories are warped by her trauma. You could have something similar, with certain parts of the memories exaggerated based on how they are perceived. It ought to be first person perspective because that is how we view the world and how we'd remember events. But no, this crap is good enough for "visual storytelling". They did the bare fucking minimum of a flashback visually, and they narratively shot themselves in the foot by claiming it as a person's memories. Well-crafted dialogue explaining their perspectives is unironically better, requires more writing talent, would be cheaper, and would ease off the already overworked VFX slaves.
Also, you’d think that would be a violation of privacy to put that technology on a public, easily accessible sidewalk where everyone else locally can see your memory, and it’s triggered without your approval or realization.
they point that out in this video. Memories are either inaccurate or biased. In extreme cases they could even be false.
Add on top of that the memory store algorithm that pieces them together into a clear scene. It really calls into question how much of what it would play would actually be real.
Personally im not against the idea of memories being crystal clear, like the idea that somehow the memories can be reconstructed properly, but that technology if its free reusable and does nothing to the person would be fucking EVERYWHERE, which the movie isnt at all ready to tackle.
I think harry potter is a decent example of magic taking you to be a third person observer in a memory where you cant interact with things, plenty of other media does something interesting. Since i think its reasonable for a strong enough magic to recreate an area from a third person view, as long as the area is static and doesnt have important information you dont know. An example would be if im sitting in my room and i have been in there years upon years upon years it makes sense that i could recreate it as 3D space, but assume someone snuck up on me and hit me causing me to black out that part should never possible to know since i didnt see who did it.
@@zoulsgaming9455 I think the point is that memories are absolutely not crystal clear, they are the opposite. They can be made clear through filling it in. This can be done by the person or an outsider in a sci-fi setting. Still, that information doesn't exist in the original. We don't immerse ourselves in our memories under normal circumstances.
@@Wyzai which is where i think its okay for magic or technology to bypass the bluriness of it as long as they are okay and willing to take the consequences, its just has to be written properly.
im fine with the bullshit sci fi "we found your memories in your brain and can display them in a way that is crystal clear evne if you dont remember" the most clear example being photographic memory which yes sure we can argue that its an entirely different brain setup and save function but its not so far it breaks suspension of dissbelief.
i basically just disagree that it HAS to be blurry and messy. Especially in the context of magic and sci fi.
This guy is like the center of the contrarian-verse/realm/timeline. I am mentally blown away that we reached a point where he genuinely said "Oh yeah, your AMAZING idea of using dialogue to put across a point!"...I immediately thought to my first viewing of Hamlet and just how incredibly layered every exchange was in that entire film...I'm glad we're at the point now where grown men essentially advocate for pop up books over well crafted novels.
My favourite microwave-reheated take about Maulers video was someone saying that his bumbling of Benedict's name was "bullying" and later "abuse".
I told the guy that as a survivor of abuse, his misrepresentation of it was something *actually* offensive and really fucked up.
He stopped replying after that.
Yeah I'm sure Benderdumble Cumberfumble cares about a UA-cam longman mangling his name while complimenting his acting in this dumpster fire of a movie. That someone deserves to consume microwave reheated food for the rest of eternity for that take.
Well, this week he told Sitch and Adam that it’s important to shut up and listen to people’s “lives experiences,” so he disqualified himself from responding to your point at all 😂
@@keltonschleyer6367 Unless you tracked down my comments on the original video to find the guy, I'm pretty sure it's someone else.
BULLYing?!?!?
I mean I guess but he makes so much money
And mailer so creative you stop being offended if you were because it’s so impressive. I wish he mock my name like that
But yeah that’s not real abuse. Nor real bullying. It’s not close
I'm so thankful that Mauler doesn't make his critiques for these gremlins but for anyone willing to plot step by step through a film and consider its logic and internal consistency. Thank you longman. You inspire me
Same. He, along other UA-camrs like Shaun, help me become more objective and open. It's great stuff!
I must say, I’m deeply enjoying hearing this whiny Disney shill complain that a video that is a critical analysis of a ENTIRE movie dares to actually go over the ENTIRE movie.
"The story is broken on a fundamental level and the inconsistencies are substantial enough to compromize audience investment, and I can demonstrate how and why using evidence and argumentation" - nitpicking
"Dialogue in a diner isn't interesting" - LEGITIMATE criticism
Considering his inability to comprehend even basic argumentation it makes a lot of sense why he can watch a scene of people talking and criticize it as boring. If you can't understand what is being said or why and there aren't lots of fast moving colorful pictures I can see how you'd be bored.
_King Richard,_ best scene in the whole movie is a husband and wife arguing in the kitchen.
_Pulp Fiction_ is best remembered for the scene of two guys driving to work.
Dialogue gets the big 'ol thumbs up.
Oh, nooo. You don't want to get caught defending Multiverse of Madness. Holy shit.
I will lol
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 bruh
🥇
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 F
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 all i can say is good luck, because i do not believe it's even possible to defend that movie
"Mauler is just one of those chuds who complains about wokeness in everything" is such a hilarious sentiment considering what just happened a week ago
What happened?
@@scottfreedoms9584 Mauler and co really liked God of War Ragnarock and a bunch of weird chronically online rightoids had a very big problem with this for some reason
Some of the people around him use the term, but he doesn't. He's obviously not far left, but he's not super anti-woke. That type of criticism instantly shows that the people talking dont watch him at all.
@@rudolfambrozenvtuber wait, people think Ragnarok is "woke"? lol, i didnt like the game very much but to call it "woke"? the word its starting to loose meaning isnt it lol
@@TheMantheon563 The arguments are Angrboda's casting (which is sort of fair but also not all that substantial and probably the most inoffensive place they could've done it) and Freya being strong and cool
Organised chaos is what happenes when "turn your brain off and enjoy the pretty colors" is the default brain function
whenever people say "don´t think about it, it´s just a movie, it doesn´t need to make sence" i get the urge to answer "then why should i pay money to see it, instead of watching any other youtube video?" ... even more when i think about the fact that we live in a time when videos by Mauler and friends are more entertaining than most movies coming out. ... the only novel thing about the memory store is how it is a nonsensical way to introduce a flashback.
Man that guys totally right. Why did we have to watch Darth vader talk to Luke when he's telling him he's his father why didn't they do a flashback showing what he means...🤦♂️ I can't believe they think dialogue is boring
They don't understand the phrase "Show don't tell" or when it should be applied
@@nautdead3197 I guess they think it should be show all the time and never tell lol
They don't even seem to understand that you can show, while telling.
And characters talking doesn't at all necessitate that everything be said explicitly. There's language, tone, facial expression, body language, and simple withholding thoughts and information like anyone does in natural conversation.
Imo, characters are king, and conversations between them can be some of the strongest points of character!
@@Unknown-hb3id 'show don't tell' is one of those sayings that easily lets you sort who's a critic of media and who's.... Organized Chaos...
you should not tell the audience about major story events. Characters standing around spouting exposition to advance the plot is lazy screen writing. Show the audience how characters react to those events in the moment.
This doesn't apply the same way to character building moments. if something has happened to a character in the past, just showing the audience is in fact the lazy way to do it because it deprives you, the writer, of the ability to show how the character has been changed by that event. Having a good actor tell a story can be fantastic film making because you get to show the audience exactly how that character feels about the events, what parts they emphasize, what expression they have, the inflection in their voice.... the sequence of events is frankly less important than knowing what it's impact is
The 'memory story' scene is a great example of this.... visually it's 'more engaging' than simply two characters having a conversation, but you come away from it knowing fuck all about the characters as they are now, just their back stories. The events shown are, frankly, irrelevant to the plot of the movie, it's just backstory for a couple of characters that remain one dimensional throughout the entire runtime. What actual effect the events shown have had on the characters is up for the audience to fill in for themselves. So yeah, it was objectively the lesser way of doing that scene.
Oh, and from the future, Callisto Protocol is truly one of the videogames of all time. My favourite part was the boss so good they realised we wanted to fight it five times in a row, and then have the protagonist say "I'm Callisto Protocol" as he repairs space.
When the protagonists said what are we? Some kind of calisto protocol?
Dude, you're actually still alive? I remember watching your Homefront LP ten years ago and then you just vanished off the face of the Earth lol
"This is Callisto. He's got my preorder money. He could stutter your every move just like using a potato. I would advise not playing him. His game disappoints the souls of his victims."
-- John Protocol
And then he calisto protocols all over them
CP had so much potential. It’s just a sad tech demo that’s an awful tech demo.
*Organized Chaos making fun of someone else's appearance is poetic in a way.*
It reminds me of when IHE went after reaction channels and one of them invented an IHE sociopath theory partly based around the fact that he never shows his face in his videos. The same argument can be used for Mauler that is used with IHE: what would showing his face add to the video? Why do you care what Mauler looks like?
"You can't just have a memory store" could be one of those writing guidelines with a name stemming from some media coining the term. Like "jumping the shark" or one of those types of phrases.
This is the true Little Clown Boy! 🤡
Remember that one person who defended Wanda's character by saying that her actress is hot?
Olsen is hot, but it is not a factor when it comes to what her character did.
Major Lee? (jk)
@@cyrus2395
I don't remember the guy's name, but I remember how he made that weird defense.
You get to look at women!
if evil, why hot?
Grant it, it's a better defense than most of the other justifications people throw out because they at least admit that they're just horny for her. Lord knows I've let a few characters' heinous actions slid because I was shamelessly simping for them.