two years before I was born but love watching anything about this heist, it's so interesting and never get bored of it and watch what I have over and over again.
The Great Train Robbery has always fascinated me ever since i was told it as a kid. A genius plan and a huge heist performed by such a ragtag group of people. It will always remain legendary
@@daleHarrison93 They made 2 grave mistakes. 1) They beat up the train driver which was guaranteed to turn the public against them. 2) They should have burned down the farmhouse themselves instead of arranging for an outsider to do it. Without these 2 mistakes, it was a perfect plan and they would most likely have got away with it.
11:59 What I like from this filmed version of the robbery is that it shows the Driver putting the AWS Isolator switch into the off position, so that control to the train is cut off and it can't be moved. Whether it was actually done in real life or not I can't say, but I thought that was a really nice touch.
Yes me too, it is such nice touches of 'authenticity' for pivotal moments in history which brings it all to the life and gives the production true value.
Yeah I used to drive 37’s exactly the same cab as a 40. Yeah that’s the switch that enables / disables the AWS the change end switch the actual isolator is behind the change end switch
Two of the three railwaymen involved never got over the robbery: Jack Mills Had constant trauma headaches for the rest of his life, David Whitby was traumatised by his track-side assault and subsequent rough treatment and never recovered. Real working class heroes those train robbers.
The 80’s was defined as a period of intense selfishness and moral relativism that allowed people to rationalise, explain away, gloss over and make excuses for immoral behaviour of all kinds, the first real sign and symptom of the moral decay of the U.K. as our Irish grandparents generation and the local Catholic Parish Priests constantly told us when we were growing up in Rural Ireland in the 80’s in my teens
Bit Train Spotterish............that loco running along side the motorway was DP2 the most successful diesel loco prototype ever built. And it was built here in England.
I once bought a van from a guy under that bridge.. it broke down on the motorway on the way home. Don't trust that bridge. You will get robbed near it.
"In so many regards one thinks jolly good luck!" quips the upper class twit. And that was the real threat to the establishment - it wasn't just working class people who admired the train robbers... it was everybody. Sure, it was audacious, the cash involved substantial and the train driver unfortunately coshed but none of these factors merited the savage response from the authorities. After all, millions are 'stolen' by the financial sector every week and those 'criminals' get praised and knighted for their blags. Millions are killed and mutilated in Establishment wars for profit and everybody accepts it as 'normal'. It was Audacity that scared the shit out of them. "We are vulnerable and the people are strong," was their fear. Realising how tenuous its position was and how very close to 'anarchy' (their word for the people demanding their rights) the country had become the Establishment clamped down hard with everything they'd got.
One is legal and one is criminal. The one which is legal praises their profits and hurls the worst of verbal and physical punishment on the criminal. Both take monies belonging to other people.
The robbery caused such an incredible reaction that anybody spending large amounts of used banknotes would have been reported to the police. It is common knowledge that one person who had nothing to do with the crime went down. The police were under considerable pressure to get a result and were prepared to plant evidence if necessary. It is one thing to steal the money - doing something with it presents another set of problems.
Ronnie was punching well above his weight even back then with her!! First prize in the beautiful wife contest goes to Tommy Wisbey though, by some distance!
Looking back, the majority of them would say the money was cursed. The majority of them had lots of misfortune after...one who didn't even have any of the money (bill boal) got caught up in the misfortune and lost his life in prison, for zero reasons. Him and Cordrey were the first to be caught in Bournemouth.
Much of the black & white footage has been taken from "die Gentlemen bitten zur Kasse" a 1965 German 3-part TV series, and I noticed exceprts from Stanley Baker's & Michael Deeley's 1967 "Robbery".
Now when Goody revealed the "Ulsterman" - Patrick McKenna there are still open questions. The fact is Tommy Butler kept in his list of biggest suspects one name never mentioned before 2010's: Charles Lilley. What role did Lilley play? Was he money launder? Was he part of that group with McKenna operating behind the scenes, even "mastermind". Lilley was long time friend of one of the robbers, Bob Welch. The fact is that Butler was tailing Lilley as much or even more than any other including Reynolds. Lilley moved later to jewelry business and after fall of 1963 he seemed to have used quite a lot of money as an "ordinary salesman".
Thank you for playing " Waterloo Sunset" and " Everybodys a Star"! What is the name of the instrumental ( often heard in US theatres mid 70s) around 4:00 ??
"You have to be 'educated' to have a lot of money" wise words Mrs Briggs, wise words. As an ex working class Cockney who got him self out of the street, did courses in the RAF, went on to become a Civil Engineering Technician Engineer, a Teacher, an IT Trainer and Project Manager who came across a lot of high ranking and very well off people - who found in essence were no different from working class people. The main difference was how they used, thought about and applied knowledge they got along the way. Met some very rich people, who many like me came from the streets but all were very canny and made the effort to learn a wide range of skills and knowledge and how it should be used and that was not just University 'education' but life education. As in the partner BBC film of A Robber's Tale at the end when Tommy Butler is sat across from Bruce Reynolds he rightly says "Stealing that much, you must have known, you would never get away with it, it was not British Rail you took on but the country" and "All that planning but you did not give a second thought what you would all do with so much money, that was just stupid" and he was right. When young I got caught shoplifting, and after a visit from the police who gave me a warning he said to me "Son, if you are going to steal anything, steal something 'f****** big that is worth a fortune but you can sell and nobody will know, do it on your own with nobody else helping you, do it so with something people will not know you have stolen it, hide the money or put it in a bank and wait 25 years to spend it, when you do spend it, spend just a little bit of it, never let anyone know how you got the money ever". I replied "Be no bloody point in stealing then, if that is the outcome of doing so". He replied "Exactly son" that was me at 13 being 'educated". My proudest achievements in life and they have been quite a few, is the very tough teenagers I taught in a Nottingham City school who I often told this story to and other 'Cockney' words of wisdom that my family taught me - for many of them (not all) went in and they did not go into a life of crime.
They did on some of this documentary.......but rest assured the 1967 film with Stanley Baker, used the recently closed Great Central line. That film even used a Class 40 loco D318, which is now at Tyseley in Birmingham
In many ways, getting caught or getting away with it is a secondary thing in this case. Fact is, history shows that the entire establishment had its pants pulled down that night and that's why the story endures.
Interesting/informative/entertaining. Excellent photography pictures 📷/reenactments enabling viewers to better understand what the orator was describing. Yes a townies mistake not going into south London after the heist!!! Along with telling the tied rail 🚆 car postal 📪 workers. Not to move for 30-minutes. I've total disdain for the low life slime bag. Whom bludgeoned engineer Jack mills. Hopefully he had a life time of hard ships & troubles.
The video might have had some merit if it wasn't for the brain dead noise ruining the soundtrack. I endured less than two minutes of it before pressing NEXT.
I was 5 years old when they did the job, and everyone spoke about it for years afterwards. Rightly or wrongly, they were seen by many as audacious anti-heroes (me included!). They just didn't properly plan out what they were going to do afterward. They should have arranged new id's beforehand, cleaned out the farmhouse within 24 hours, burned it to the ground, covered their tracks and then scattered to the four winds...and never, ever looked back.
They met each other in Mexico briefly while Reynolds was on the run and Caine was filming there…"Steal a train?..Bladdy Hell..I ownly towld you to blowe the bladdy doors off"
They stuffed up when they mentioned the time that they needed to get away. & they should have set fire to their hideout house and they would have gotten away with it
Tavy@ to be honest i thought the stopping of the train alone at 2.30am when it was doing 60mph at least was genius. People say ye but thats easy ye just cover up the lites then put yer own red lite on. Yes but thats after every one watched the robbery and saw that being done. But not many people would have thought of it. Plus there was more to it than just that. They had to rigg the red light onto wires in that box for it to work. It was a brilliant job. The greatest i have ever seen done. Its a pity they all didnt stick to the rules and kept there gloves on. They should never have told the railway man on the embankment dont move for half an hour. Then the guy that got paid alot of cash to burn the farm but got cold feet. Thats what got them cought. The goverment wanted to change the money, to make the robbery money worthless. But said it would cost to much. They were addamant gordon goody was fitted up with claiming hes prints were on bottles. Goody never took hes gloves off once. But tax payers money goes missing all the time especialy at the huge building in london lol. And no one bats an eye lid. Something to do with politicians!
The police are the ones who are supposed to review cases and ensure innocent people are released and the guilty stay in prison. If they had spoke up he still would of died in prison, people spoke up for the Birmingham six and they still done 18 years
Exactly this happened after 1990in my country Czech Republic when started consumerism, no much Street crime but heavy one.Criminals not afraid to use even hand grenades and rocket launchers.All because prison is like hotel, three regular meal a day and comfortable bed!!!
They were expecting about 10 to 12 years . I was 5 when it happened . My earljest memory . An d walnut black a x white whi h took about 5 mins 2 warm up .
My dad was really good friend of Bruce Reynolds they meet in borstal as kid's He would have been a great train robber but Dad was doing five years at the time He was lucky but uncle Bruce you are sadly missed sleep tight sweet prince always love Jamie and family
Very fair as it clearly destroyed the myth of the 'gentlemen robbers' and instead focussed on what they really were - thugs who should have been locked up. The fact that they can even claim that the driver was exaggerating his injuries show them for what they really were. In my opinion, the sentences were too weak.
"Liar Liar" by The Castaways, an American band from Minneapolis. It was a minor hit in 1965. "Liar, Liar! Pants On Fire! Your nose is longer than the telephone wire!" It got to Number 12 on the charts. They had a few other songs that never charted. This was their only hit.
What is the point of having loud noise in the background when people are speaking? I guess, to make sure you can't understand what is being said. Very annoying.
You have to go and get the money any which way you can if you look at the amount of money the government take from people it only amounts to 2 persent so you do what you can
Daft caper really, planning what to do with the money was just as - if not more important than planning the job itself, as Bruces son says it was a boys-own adventure and by all accounts should've just stayed in the comics, great adventure tho
The fatal mistake was remaining close to where the robbery took place. The ringleaders should have returned to London the same night thus giving themselves an alibi that couldn't be broken.
What they should have done is... 1.) Tie up the driver, without having to beat him like they did 2.) Tie up the guards, with no violence 3.) Throttle up the Locomotive 3.) The person in the cab would then let the train drive on it's own (So that way nobody could stop it) 4.) Just outside London decouple the car with the money in it. 5.) Let the train drive into London without a driver, and let it crash into Kings Cross. 6.) They load the money in the getway car/truck, and head off with there load Perfect way to rob a train
Mills had two days in hospital for a 6 million pounds robbery and they got 30 years - nowadays they stab you for a watch and don't even go to prison or even kill you for nothing and say they did not mean to and get out after 4 or 5 years max (helped by tricky lawyers) - its happening every week in the UK - interesting progress our justice and legal system has made. The irony is generally speaking people have far more now than they did back then, so what's the reason? It can only be tolerance to crime and making excuse for the criminals. I know thats not a fashionable thing to say these days. I guess its just one of those paradox - the more you give they they will want, it reminds me of that old saying "never give anyone anything, they will only ever hate you for it" - I guess thats why I like these old school criminals at least they were go-getters and took responsibility for their crimes. There will always be crime and criminals, thats humans
If they were no bad guys in the world they would be no police, lawyers, judges, prison staff, parole officers etc so in a sense the bad guys are paying the good guys wages, Apart from the poor guy getting hit on the head this seems like a victimless crime,
People often think the boys were caught because of the fingerprints on things such as the monopoly board at the farm. Certainly helped secure the convictions, but truth is, it was on top before the old bill got the fingerprint evidence. Even if they'd all worn gloves every day at the farm they were getting their collar felt.
on that same weekend in 1963, an event took place at a baker st bank lloyds,... a safety deposit raid.! it is detailed as THE BANK JOB allegedly done in 1971! It appeared in a paper, and dissapeared just as quick by the teusday night. in 2015 a group of old fellas did exactly the same in hatton gardens vault. Exactly to the holes in the wall! don't beleive the hype. people were brought down between 1963 christmas, and on for years. Police. MPs and lots of high flyers lost their shirts in that raid of 1963, and reputations went down following it. people are to this day trying to bury the fall-out from baker st!!!
If you think about the harshness of the sentences, all that did was pretty much tell crooks, your gonna go down for 30 years for using a metal rod on a job, you may as well take a gun instead. It made everything worse.
well this is it i recently watched a documentary about a gang of paedophiles who kidnapped rapped and strangled three children to death in the eighties. The highest sentence given to this scum believe it or not was 13 years. They three innocent children but somehow they were convicted of manslaughter. Do not ask me how. It just shows that money is more important than these poor little sods
Ryan Scott This is very true! So much so that it could almost be paraphrasing dialogue taken from a scene in a dramatisation of the event..........oh wait a minute!
I wonder if the great train robbers would have carried guns if it hadn't been for the legal concept of "capital murder" in the UK at that time. Although the death penalty was soon to be abolished, when the robbery was carried out in 1963(?) killing with a fire arm, unlike some other ways of murdering, carried the death penalty. The thinking behind it was to deter professional criminals from carrying guns.
Up to 30 years each! Today people get "Life" sentences for murder and are out of prison in 7-10 years! Today they probably would have gotten ten years and have been let out in 5.A VAST amount of responsibility lays on the GPO,who in their right minds sends millions of pounds worth of money on a train with no guards in completely unarmored carriages! It's asking to be nicked! They put the driver,and everyone on that train,at undue risk.
Wow the same people that said that the robbers were not set up also say that one was falsely convicted and blame the people who were convicted for it, Obviously people that do not live in reality.
They and the money should've been smuggled out the same night and counted/divvied at a safe location abroad where new identities and money fencers were lined up waiting, they knew it was a big score and could've settled with everyone setting things up for them on arrival, the vehicles should've been sourced from where their use and return would go undetected, literally the only evidence left should've been the absence of the robbers themselves, a safehouse (even worse a burned down safehouse) with a papertrail back to a known associate was a daft move, if the safehouse really had to be used then Field should've (after destroying any evidence left) got legit decorators in immediately after and at least occupied the place until the dust settled OR they should've found somewhere unoccupied with little chance of being disturbed and no connection, if only they'd been as meticulous with afterwards as they were with the job itself maybe they'd have all gotten away, tough to pull off with the whole world looking for you tho
You forget to mention the train driver thought he was a hero by trying to kick the men back down the steps trying to gain entrance he started the violence he should of let them take over the train instead he thought he was a have ago hero unfortunately violence meets violence
Poor guy who got swept up in the cop's exuberance & momentum to catch "everyone." too bad his family couldn't sue the gov't. or the real thieves all tell of his noninvolvement. I guess there really isn't any honor among thieves!
two years before I was born but love watching anything about this heist, it's so interesting and never get bored of it and watch what I have over and over again.
The similarity between the voices of Nick and Bruce Reynolds is amazing!
Like Father Like Son, I guess. Two Peas in a Pod.
Absolutely.
One of the great docos. Great cast of characters and some telling insights. Love the soundtrack too.
The Great Train Robbery has always fascinated me ever since i was told it as a kid. A genius plan and a huge heist performed by such a ragtag group of people. It will always remain legendary
If u want to know the details , I’m Brian fields grandson so I can tell u abt it all
@@eddie1799 balls of steel, they just dont make them like that anymore.
@@daleHarrison93 They made 2 grave mistakes. 1) They beat up the train driver which was guaranteed to turn the public against them. 2) They should have burned down the farmhouse themselves instead of arranging for an outsider to do it. Without these 2 mistakes, it was a perfect plan and they would most likely have got away with it.
Oh me too! Watch it over and over...Ronny Biggs did "well" for himself.😂
11:59 What I like from this filmed version of the robbery is that it shows the Driver putting the AWS Isolator switch into the off position, so that control to the train is cut off and it can't be moved. Whether it was actually done in real life or not I can't say, but I thought that was a really nice touch.
Well SPOTTED.😝pardon the pun
Yes me too, it is such nice touches of 'authenticity' for pivotal moments in history which brings it all to the life and gives the production true value.
Yeah I used to drive 37’s exactly the same cab as a 40. Yeah that’s the switch that enables / disables the AWS the change end switch the actual isolator is behind the change end switch
Two of the three railwaymen involved never got over the robbery:
Jack Mills Had constant trauma headaches for the rest of his life,
David Whitby was traumatised by his track-side assault and subsequent rough treatment and never recovered.
Real working class heroes those train robbers.
40 years later you can become a banker and steal a lot more money and instead of going to jail, get praised for your business expertise.
The 80’s was defined as a period of intense selfishness and moral relativism that allowed people to rationalise, explain away, gloss over and make excuses for immoral behaviour of all kinds, the first real sign and symptom of the moral decay of the U.K. as our Irish grandparents generation and the local Catholic Parish Priests constantly told us when we were growing up in Rural Ireland in the 80’s in my teens
Bit Train Spotterish............that loco running along side the motorway was DP2 the most successful diesel loco prototype ever built. And it was built here in England.
The one during the robbery was a class 40 no?
Whatever floats your boat mate .or pulls your carriage ..
@@mrvontrips as far as I'm aware yes.
You're welcome, I'll have lots more on the way. :)
I love the constant barrage of 60s music!
just a shame none of them suit the year- most are from 66-67
Bruce Reynolds book,, the autobiography of a thief,,magnificent book,, reads like a thriller,, God bless you Bruce!!
Nice musiç..
today people commit far worse crimes serve a lot less time in prison
David Wolstenholme Yeah. 30 years for taking money. 30 years. Rape a 13 year old and get 2 years. It’s fucked up.
So had it not belonged to the queen the sentencing would have been less
But they robbed the Government, and that is worse than war crimes against humanity.
no they don't.Reynolds did 11 years............people are doing life these days.....and it means life....................
The UK government protect paedos just look at the bbc. Our country's leaders are the scummiest of the lot
I once bought a van from a guy under that bridge.. it broke down on the motorway on the way home. Don't trust that bridge. You will get robbed near it.
If you buy a van from a guy under a bridge you get what you deserve...mug!
Thank you from Manhattan ©2024
"In so many regards one thinks jolly good luck!" quips the upper class twit. And that was the real threat to the establishment - it wasn't just working class people who admired the train robbers... it was everybody.
Sure, it was audacious, the cash involved substantial and the train driver unfortunately coshed but none of these factors merited the savage response from the authorities. After all, millions are 'stolen' by the financial sector every week and those 'criminals' get praised and knighted for their blags. Millions are killed and mutilated in Establishment wars for profit and everybody accepts it as 'normal'. It was Audacity that scared the shit out of them. "We are vulnerable and the people are strong," was their fear.
Realising how tenuous its position was and how very close to 'anarchy' (their word for the people demanding their rights) the country had become the Establishment clamped down hard with everything they'd got.
One is legal and one is criminal. The one which is legal praises their profits and hurls the worst of verbal and physical punishment on the criminal. Both take monies belonging to other people.
Ronnie Biggs was doing time
Until he done a bunk
Now he says he's seen the light
And he's sold his soul for Punk
I am a huge history and crime buff and this is the first I have heard of this. Amazing.
The first time you've heard of Great Train Robbery ? Geeeeze - have you been living under a rock !!! Lol Lol
Do you study crime and history on the monn?!
@@flyer1658 MONN?
It was doomed from the start...too many links in the chain..there`s always a week link..
"weak"
@@mattoxley-quinn2593 Thanks for correcting me Matt....
I canny believe the silly bstds that found over a 100 grand in the woods and handed it in.
Yeah, it's hard to figure out honesty sometimes isn't it.
so what would you have done ?? equal to a million pound in todays money, no comeback no one knows you have it ???
Well you've got to ask the question; what would Jesus do? That kinda narrows it down somewhat.
Enquiringmind777 are you jesus ??
The robbery caused such an incredible reaction that anybody spending large amounts of used banknotes would have been reported to the police. It is common knowledge that one person who had nothing to do with the crime went down. The police were under considerable pressure to get a result and were prepared to plant evidence if necessary. It is one thing to steal the money - doing something with it presents another set of problems.
I'm surprised how well spoken Charmian Biggs is. Her English is way better than the robbers' English: 26:20
Ronnie was punching well above his weight even back then with her!! First prize in the beautiful wife contest goes to Tommy Wisbey though, by some distance!
It seems to me that the lawyers who accepted stolen money for their services should be arrested and charged for receiving stolen money.
Some lawyers are as bent as the criminals, that's common knowledge.
Looking back, the majority of them would say the money was cursed. The majority of them had lots of misfortune after...one who didn't even have any of the money (bill boal) got caught up in the misfortune and lost his life in prison, for zero reasons.
Him and Cordrey were the first to be caught in Bournemouth.
thank you so much for sharing its awesome insight
Much of the black & white footage has been taken from "die Gentlemen bitten zur Kasse" a 1965 German 3-part TV series, and I noticed exceprts from Stanley Baker's & Michael Deeley's 1967 "Robbery".
Oh that's why this is popping up in the feed, 60 years ago this month
Now when Goody revealed the "Ulsterman" - Patrick McKenna there are still open questions. The fact is Tommy Butler kept in his list of biggest suspects one name never mentioned before 2010's: Charles Lilley. What role did Lilley play? Was he money launder? Was he part of that group with McKenna operating behind the scenes, even "mastermind". Lilley was long time friend of one of the robbers, Bob Welch. The fact is that Butler was tailing Lilley as much or even more than any other including Reynolds. Lilley moved later to jewelry business and after fall of 1963 he seemed to have used quite a lot of money as an "ordinary salesman".
Thank you for playing " Waterloo Sunset" and " Everybodys a Star"! What is the name of the instrumental ( often heard in US theatres mid 70s) around 4:00 ??
Train video is as dark and high quality as 1950's scifi.
I found this to be a very good documentary. Very interesting and I loved the music from that era. PC. 18. 03. 2018. I was 11 at the time.
one is speaking loosely and hopes the police aren't watching...... hahahahahaha that guy has me in tears
Apart from the train driver! Then I think this is the best crime ever. Every credit to them
"You have to be 'educated' to have a lot of money" wise words Mrs Briggs, wise words. As an ex working class Cockney who got him self out of the street, did courses in the RAF, went on to become a Civil Engineering Technician Engineer, a Teacher, an IT Trainer and Project Manager who came across a lot of high ranking and very well off people - who found in essence were no different from working class people. The main difference was how they used, thought about and applied knowledge they got along the way. Met some very rich people, who many like me came from the streets but all were very canny and made the effort to learn a wide range of skills and knowledge and how it should be used and that was not just University 'education' but life education. As in the partner BBC film of A Robber's Tale at the end when Tommy Butler is sat across from Bruce Reynolds he rightly says "Stealing that much, you must have known, you would never get away with it, it was not British Rail you took on but the country" and "All that planning but you did not give a second thought what you would all do with so much money, that was just stupid" and he was right. When young I got caught shoplifting, and after a visit from the police who gave me a warning he said to me "Son, if you are going to steal anything, steal something 'f****** big that is worth a fortune but you can sell and nobody will know, do it on your own with nobody else helping you, do it so with something people will not know you have stolen it, hide the money or put it in a bank and wait 25 years to spend it, when you do spend it, spend just a little bit of it, never let anyone know how you got the money ever". I replied "Be no bloody point in stealing then, if that is the outcome of doing so". He replied "Exactly son" that was me at 13 being 'educated". My proudest achievements in life and they have been quite a few, is the very tough teenagers I taught in a Nottingham City school who I often told this story to and other 'Cockney' words of wisdom that my family taught me - for many of them (not all) went in and they did not go into a life of crime.
Music too loud in background
Back then we also had security vans been robbed.
great doco, cheers.
Always been fascinated by the GTR but the mistake in my view was hiding out laying low at the farm. They should've gone back home.
England: Did a runner.
U.S.: Ran off.
England: Fitted up.
U.S.: Framed.
Scarper ! Or they'll stitch me up like a kipper!
these British robbery movies always have trendy music themes.
Anyone ever see the 1967 movie based on this event with Stanley Baker? There were some scenes from that movie in this documentary.
+Glenn Gregory It was shot on the closed Great Central Railway.........the engine in that film is at the Tyseley preservation centre................
+Glenn Gregory
No, actually they used scenes from German movies about the robbery.
They did on some of this documentary.......but rest assured the 1967 film with Stanley Baker,
used the recently closed Great Central line. That film even used a Class 40 loco D318, which is now at Tyseley in Birmingham
In many ways, getting caught or getting away with it is a secondary thing in this case. Fact is, history shows that the entire establishment had its pants pulled down that night and that's why the story endures.
Interesting/informative/entertaining. Excellent photography pictures 📷/reenactments enabling viewers to better understand what the orator was describing. Yes a townies mistake not going into south London after the heist!!! Along with telling the tied rail 🚆 car postal 📪 workers. Not to move for 30-minutes. I've total disdain for the low life slime bag. Whom bludgeoned engineer Jack mills. Hopefully he had a life time of hard ships & troubles.
I’ve been fascinated by the great train robbery one of the best robberies ever attempted they are legends
Always been fascinated by this. I have a warped sense of humor about Ronnie and I don't apologize for it. RIP Ronnie Biggs (1929-2013).
Playing music on the video from a different era, the robbery was 1963, not 1966 or 1967.
Can you tell me the name of the songs? Cause I think they're sick
Does it really matter, that much..
@@antonydavid3885 one sounds like from NFL films.
The video might have had some merit if it wasn't for the brain dead noise ruining the soundtrack. I endured less than two minutes of it before pressing NEXT.
I was 5 years old when they did the job, and everyone spoke about it for years afterwards. Rightly or wrongly, they were seen by many as audacious anti-heroes (me included!).
They just didn't properly plan out what they were going to do afterward. They should have arranged new id's beforehand, cleaned out the farmhouse within 24 hours, burned it to the ground, covered their tracks and then scattered to the four winds...and never, ever looked back.
Bruce Reynolds looks like a young Michael Caine; Gordon Goody looks like an old Richard Harris.
They met each other in Mexico briefly while Reynolds was on the run and Caine was filming there…"Steal a train?..Bladdy Hell..I ownly towld you to blowe the bladdy doors off"
They stuffed up when they mentioned the time that they needed to get away. & they should have set fire to their hideout house and they would have gotten away with it
The music is too loud and drowns out the voices ... Otherwise great stuff
My Mum knew Charmaine in OZ.
They never spoke of anything but the weather kids ect.
Mum said she was always very nice and were on first name basis.
Tavy@ to be honest i thought the stopping of the train alone at 2.30am when it was doing 60mph at least was genius. People say ye but thats easy ye just cover up the lites then put yer own red lite on. Yes but thats after every one watched the robbery and saw that being done. But not many people would have thought of it. Plus there was more to it than just that. They had to rigg the red light onto wires in that box for it to work. It was a brilliant job. The greatest i have ever seen done. Its a pity they all didnt stick to the rules and kept there gloves on. They should never have told the railway man on the embankment dont move for half an hour. Then the guy that got paid alot of cash to burn the farm but got cold feet. Thats what got them cought. The goverment wanted to change the money, to make the robbery money worthless. But said it would cost to much. They were addamant gordon goody was fitted up with claiming hes prints were on bottles. Goody never took hes gloves off once. But tax payers money goes missing all the time especialy at the huge building in london lol. And no one bats an eye lid. Something to do with politicians!
Has anyone ever stolen an entire train?
That would be gangster
@ReelMan yeah, it's hard on video games also
No wonder the loot weighed so much, it was mostly 1 and 5 pound notes!
theedrstrangelove think about the inflation though, the officer in this says he got paid £10 per week.
Aye ..if it was pound coins they be fucked ..
easy come easy go! Whats really fkd up is they sat and did nothing while a innocent man got convicted, and in the end died in jail.
The police are the ones who are supposed to review cases and ensure innocent people are released and the guilty stay in prison. If they had spoke up he still would of died in prison, people spoke up for the Birmingham six and they still done 18 years
Anyone know the song at 14:32 ?
darude - sandstorm
It is not Darude - Sandstorm. It is The Offspring - Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)
Syd Dale - "The Sample Syndicate"
Stolen money leaves a hole in your pocket.
Exactly this happened after 1990in my country Czech Republic when started consumerism, no much Street crime but heavy one.Criminals not afraid to use even hand grenades and rocket launchers.All because prison is like hotel, three regular meal a day and comfortable bed!!!
They were expecting about 10 to 12 years . I was 5 when it happened . My earljest memory . An d walnut black a x white whi h took about 5 mins 2 warm up .
My dad was really good friend of Bruce Reynolds they meet in borstal as kid's He would have been a great train robber but Dad was doing five years at the time He was lucky but uncle Bruce you are sadly missed sleep tight sweet prince always love Jamie and family
i like the way the robbers paid for their defence with the robbery money !! the legal people took it though !!
Which makes them law breakers as they are then receiving stolen gods ie the money from the robbery
Very fair as it clearly destroyed the myth of the 'gentlemen robbers' and instead focussed on what they really were - thugs who should have been locked up. The fact that they can even claim that the driver was exaggerating his injuries show them for what they really were. In my opinion, the sentences were too weak.
The sentences were far too weak. All of them returned to crime aside from one. They were career criminals and thugs.
@@Howard.Stern. That is what I think as well Howard. A number of them got involved in drugs and further robberies.
What's the song at 30.20?
"Liar Liar" by The Castaways, an American band from Minneapolis. It was a minor hit in 1965.
"Liar, Liar!
Pants On Fire!
Your nose is longer
than the telephone wire!"
It got to Number 12 on the charts. They had a few other songs that never charted. This was their only hit.
Seen by some as colourful "Highwaymen" of old but they were no Robin Hoods. Career crims through and through.
Music @2:15 please anyone.
enjoyed watching . RIP Ronnie
What is the point of having loud noise in the background when people are speaking? I guess, to make sure you can't understand what is being said. Very annoying.
Needlessly coshing the train driver must have doubled their sentences.
You have to go and get the money any which way you can if you look at the amount of money the government take from people it only amounts to 2 persent so you do what you can
Thanks for uploading this. Very interesting. You should also read the true life novel Lost Youth Volume 2 London.
Legends
Daft caper really, planning what to do with the money was just as - if not more important than planning the job itself, as Bruces son says it was a boys-own adventure and by all accounts should've just stayed in the comics, great adventure tho
That's £375 million £440000 in todays money, wow
The fatal mistake was remaining close to where the robbery took place. The ringleaders should have returned to London the same night thus giving themselves an alibi that couldn't be broken.
What they should have done is...
1.) Tie up the driver, without having to beat him like they did
2.) Tie up the guards, with no violence
3.) Throttle up the Locomotive
3.) The person in the cab would then let the train drive on it's own (So that way nobody could stop it)
4.) Just outside London decouple the car with the money in it.
5.) Let the train drive into London without a driver, and let it crash into Kings Cross.
6.) They load the money in the getway car/truck, and head off with there load
Perfect way to rob a train
How many people will it kill when it comes sailing into King's Cross at sixty miles an hour?
The train was on the WCML, so why would it be diverted all the way around to King's Cross and not going to its usual end station of Euston?
Money is good but im watching this just to hear that a train was on time
I live in Oxfordshire so this was fairly close apart from I'm 13
Banbury
Mills had two days in hospital for a 6 million pounds robbery and they got 30 years - nowadays they stab you for a watch and don't even go to prison or even kill you for nothing and say they did not mean to and get out after 4 or 5 years max (helped by tricky lawyers) - its happening every week in the UK - interesting progress our justice and legal system has made. The irony is generally speaking people have far more now than they did back then, so what's the reason? It can only be tolerance to crime and making excuse for the criminals. I know thats not a fashionable thing to say these days. I guess its just one of those paradox - the more you give they they will want, it reminds me of that old saying "never give anyone anything, they will only ever hate you for it" - I guess thats why I like these old school criminals at least they were go-getters and took responsibility for their crimes. There will always be crime and criminals, thats humans
If they were no bad guys in the world they would be no police, lawyers, judges, prison staff, parole officers etc so in a sense the bad guys are paying the good guys wages,
Apart from the poor guy getting hit on the head this seems like a victimless crime,
I see they used the East Lancs Railway for this :)
Geek
People often think the boys were caught because of the fingerprints on things such as the monopoly board at the farm. Certainly helped secure the convictions, but truth is, it was on top before the old bill got the fingerprint evidence. Even if they'd all worn gloves every day at the farm they were getting their collar felt.
How with no evidence, there is a reason why 4 got away ,they were careful
on that same weekend in 1963, an event took place at a baker st bank lloyds,... a safety deposit raid.! it is detailed as THE BANK JOB allegedly done in 1971! It appeared in a paper, and dissapeared just as quick by the teusday night. in 2015 a group of old fellas did exactly the same in hatton gardens vault. Exactly to the holes in the wall! don't beleive the hype. people were brought down between 1963 christmas, and on for years. Police. MPs and lots of high flyers lost their shirts in that raid of 1963, and reputations went down following it. people are to this day trying to bury the fall-out from baker st!!!
ive read bruces book , its a good read.
I went to the bridge . Brill police station and the farm last week . Got told sod off at the farm.
If you think about the harshness of the sentences, all that did was pretty much tell crooks, your gonna go down for 30 years for using a metal rod on a job, you may as well take a gun instead. It made everything worse.
well this is it i recently watched a documentary about a gang of paedophiles who kidnapped rapped and strangled three children to death in the eighties. The highest sentence given to this scum believe it or not was 13 years. They three innocent children but somehow they were convicted of manslaughter. Do not ask me how. It just shows that money is more important than these poor little sods
Ryan Scott This is very true! So much so that it could almost be paraphrasing dialogue taken from a scene in a dramatisation of the event..........oh wait a minute!
+john lewis The western governments have made it perfectly clear monies are more important than human lives.
I wonder if the great train robbers would have carried guns if it hadn't been for the legal concept of "capital murder" in the UK at that time. Although the death penalty was soon to be abolished, when the robbery was carried out in 1963(?) killing with a fire arm, unlike some other ways of murdering, carried the death penalty. The thinking behind it was to deter professional criminals from carrying guns.
Up to 30 years each! Today people get "Life" sentences for murder and are out of prison in 7-10 years! Today they probably would have gotten ten years and have been let out in 5.A VAST amount of responsibility lays on the GPO,who in their right minds sends millions of pounds worth of money on a train with no guards in completely unarmored carriages! It's asking to be nicked! They put the driver,and everyone on that train,at undue risk.
Wow the same people that said that the robbers were not set up also say that one was falsely convicted and blame the people who were convicted for it, Obviously people that do not live in reality.
Freddie foreman got involved in many crimes yet only got light sentences for those he committed. Train robbers would not have wanted him in the gang
Music spoils this video
BAGS of cash hanging in the air???? Who can resist?
Anybody got an American translation for the English job title 'bookie' ?
Douglas Wallace Someone that takes bets !
It means the same thing.
did 'pops' the would be train driver get away with his share of the loot, he's never mentioned as one of those found guilty..
yes he did :)
song name at the start pls
thanks
Green Day -Working Class Hero
Song from 4:35 onwards?
Simon Beck & David Lindup :" French Lick"
How do you fit up a yellow paint mark on the soles of shoes of a man who's not even in the country?
That poor innocent man..
They and the money should've been smuggled out the same night and counted/divvied at a safe location abroad where new identities and money fencers were lined up waiting, they knew it was a big score and could've settled with everyone setting things up for them on arrival, the vehicles should've been sourced from where their use and return would go undetected, literally the only evidence left should've been the absence of the robbers themselves, a safehouse (even worse a burned down safehouse) with a papertrail back to a known associate was a daft move, if the safehouse really had to be used then Field should've (after destroying any evidence left) got legit decorators in immediately after and at least occupied the place until the dust settled OR they should've found somewhere unoccupied with little chance of being disturbed and no connection, if only they'd been as meticulous with afterwards as they were with the job itself maybe they'd have all gotten away, tough to pull off with the whole world looking for you tho
You forget to mention the train driver thought he was a hero by trying to kick the men back down the steps trying to gain entrance he started the violence he should of let them take over the train instead he thought he was a have ago hero unfortunately violence meets violence
Don't try and justify what was done to the driver you idiot.
Poor guy who got swept up in the cop's exuberance & momentum to catch "everyone." too bad his family couldn't sue the gov't. or the real thieves all tell of his noninvolvement. I guess there really isn't any honor among thieves!
Groovy soundtrack, you hip?
they messed with the queen's money