Another entertaining video. With regards to the topic of SBCs, I'd like to see more videos discussing the applications that these devices can be used for.
It is, as you say, designed for embedded applications. It should not be judged as a bad system just because it is being used for purposes it was not intended.
Exactly, it is not supposed to be a replacement for a desktop or laptop. It would be the same as taking your family saloon car off-roading for a day and then complaining that the suspension is broken at the end of it. "Right tool for the right job", and all that clever engineer stuff that consumers never listen to.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Right, But if you're stuck, the salon car will still get you down the road. I think it's good to stress-test these things with more OS than they can really handle, so we see how they perform while being maxed out. Gives a better idea what their realistic limits are than does just using them for the intended purpose.
@@Reziac "Right, But if you're stuck, the salon car will still get you down the road." No, you're not answering my direct point, you're creating a different scenario - "driving down the road" is not the same scenario as "off-roading a car". Please stay on topic. "I think it's good to stress-test these things with more OS than they can really handle, so we see how they perform while being maxed out." Again, where did I mention "stress testing"? "Expectation of a desktop replacement" is not the same as "testing the suitability for such". There's no point responding to me if you're not going to address my actual points. "Gives a better idea what their realistic limits are than does just using them for the intended purpose." Sure, but if you're an engineer like me who knows what he is doing, you don't "stress test" every single possible platform that might be used for a particular solution - you eliminate most of them before you even get to "stress testing". "Stress testing" is something an expert does, "expecting an SBC to replace a desktop or laptop" is something someone who doesn't know what they are doing does.
@@FlyboyHelosim I don't answer the questions of strangers on the Internet. But what has the sound of my *VOICE* got to do with *WRITING* comments? Are you really *THAT* hard of thinking? Do try a bit harder to keep up.
I like how the Odroid M1S comes not just in its own case, but also with a first-boot installer on its eMMC. That makes getting started a lot easier! This is a very nifty and thrifty (well, if you consider $49 for 4GB or $59 for 8GB to be thrifty, just wanted to rhyme) little SBC and a great review for it too. :)
Another happy Sunday afternoon with Chris, my day is complete! It's an interesting low powered SBC with plenty of scope for projects, the video playback was better on android which surprised me! I wouldn't think of this ever being a desktop replacement :)
"I don't know why I do this, it just makes me happy" And that right there is the main reason I enjoy your videos. It doesn't feel forced, or that you "HAVE" to make these videos.
Chris, friendly suggestion: When you speed things up through the "magic of film making" you should try to give us a sense of how long things take. Other than that, let me express my gratitude for your videos
Great introduction to a in expensive SBC nice to keep up and thanks for thinking of all of us who don't have the time to really keep up. This channel is so helpful and very professionally done very kind of you to do this many billion thanks Peter. thanks Mike
Just finished 7th weekend in a row on the road playing gigs... I just got home.. gonna save this video until tomorrow morning!! Something to look forward to! Love your stuff Mr. Barnatt!!! Take care!
As a mature person (73 years old), I was glad to see you make some of the same word choices that I do. The magic of film, we still remember when everything was based on film, now its all video stored on some device/
I'm grateful for all the broadcasts that were actually filmed. There has been a flurry of re-mastering these classics into high resolution digital media. Sadly that which was filmed in the early days of digital recordings still look exactly the same, and can only be 'remastered' by applying the Vaseline smear that is AI to modernize it's pixel count.
I've seen several SBCs with the ability to power the board using the pins. I'd be interested to see you try it, while reviewing one of the SBCs in the future. Looking forward to your next video!
Nice to see it come with everything you need for a decent price. I already have too many SBCs laying around though. I still haven't picked up a Pi5 yet.
Points I like, when you purchase it, it's complete. Also, the mounting is by external screws. You make it clear what it can be used for. 19:30 Minor points, but it makes life easier.
Another great video. Now that these tiny boxes can play video at 1080P with no problems, I'm convinced that hardware is not the issue. Software is. We need a revolution in software.
You turn me onto "better stuff" than the shady guy that hangs out on the corner. A might bit cheaper too! "Explaining Computers", my new drug of choice.. You RoCk! Cheers from So.Ca.USA 3rd House on the Left. (please call before stopping by)
Stick with the clones - in my experience which dates back to Pi A and Pi B models the first practical SBCs, I've found the Chinese do it better for less money and now we have developers like the Armbian project providing excellent support for many of them, there's littler reason to bother with our home grown stuff. OK, I'm cheap, but I'm also dirt poor and I've been running some early clones as file servers for years (with DietPI and SAMBA). They're almost bullet proof and run from small 5V, 2A (10W) wall warts without ever breaking sweat. Linux servers are so stable that they can sometimes run even if some idiot pulls the disk (SD card) and often when a drive develops a fault in a non-critical area (that's only used during boot for example). Not that I recommend trying such a stunt, but leave them alone and they're as solid and reliable as a wall socket. And you can forget them almost as easily.
@@marcdraco2189 I first started with OrangePi PC, to save some money. Honestly, I regret all the lost time trying to make stuff work. Which I could use to make projects, if I saved some money and bought the original Raspberry Pi straightaway.
I saw there is a Mini-ITX RISC-V motherboard out there called the Milk V Jupiter. It really is a step in the right direction for RISC-V. I think in a couple of years most budget computers are going to have ARM and RISC-V processors instead of X86 processors.
As much as I love RISC-V, I fear your prediction is only half true. ARM is the only architecture between the two that has enough corporate support to break into the budget PC market. RISC-V may achieve the same, but it is well more than a couple of years away at this point. As it stands, RISC-V is chipping away at the bottom of the microcontroller market which was once occupied by the likes of PIC, and Google is reportedly shipping them at scale in their latest generation of hardware AI/ML accelerators. So there are reasons to be optimistic still. Btw, I got a demo of the Milk-V Jupiter last month at a conference courtesy of the RISC-V team at Red Hat, but it was lacking any graphics acceleration support. I know it has a display accelerator on board, but I'm not sure if it's a case of waiting for the drivers to get merged into the mainline Linux kernel or what. Imo, this class of problem is a big part of what keeps desktop RISC-V from being viable for the masses for the time being.
@@LargeDivisor I think that RISC-V is 6 years behind ARM. I think in 2030 RISC-V is going to be used in mini pc's and some laptops. I hope that RISC-V will be used in more and more devices in the near future.
@@LargeDivisor RISC-V is doing quite well in the server space. This practically guarantees its development will be expanded. Whether it breaches the desktop space is another question.
@@hermanwooster8944 This doesn’t exactly line up with my understanding of RISC-V’s performance in the server market. Can you provide some examples of RISC-V based servers that are excelling right now? I can’t find many examples although I do see now that Scaleway is offering it as a cloud option (really cool!)
Maybe an SBC with Bluetooth, paired with a portable Bluetooth speaker would make a good streaming "radio" at a modest cost? Judging by the power use and those hefty heat sinks, temperature wasn't enough of a problem to discuss?
Can be a good value proposion if they (regularly) update to a recent version of android. The best feature is this cpu supports 10 uart connections, great for iot manufacturers.
Is that Mr. Scissors muttering in the background about the good old days and the excitement he misses from not being involved? It was great while it lasted!
I really like the complete package approach -- no need to hunt up a case, just plug the thing in and off you go. That power use is low enough to run off a portable power bank, too. I wonder how much more it uses with the NVMe installed? Side thought: one could predict a cottage industry in gutting a dead laptop, install one of these boards, attach it to the existing screen and keyboard, and voila, a complete portable unit. (That's actually how my Asus netbook is designed, it's an SBC in a netbook package.)
Technically, every laptop with soldered RAM and storage is an SBC in a laptop chassis. If oyu don't count the boards in ram or storage, that becomes basically all of them. They're all just extremely specific shapes with weird I/O.
@@DigitalJedi The Asus is a complete unit, tho, just unscrew and out it comes. It actually looks like a Pi board, and everything is soldered to it. (There's also an NVMe slot, but not really worth the bother.) It doesn't have this and that crammed into far corners of the case.
A nice SBC, and one that would be a reliable workhorse - not flashy, but a solid little entry. And a great price too, something that is becoming a rarity in this field.
Usually it's the kernel modules being developed ongoing. It's likely that they're either not yet compatible with kernel 6, or built into a later kernel - but this would preclude them continuing their own development purposes - note these are usually sold as "development kits" rather than "home use plug and play sbcs". I was using a brand new Rocki4c+ the other day - and for those reasons, unless you buildroot or armbian your own distro, that's limited to kernel 4.4, and its supplied current base distro is Debian 11 This isn't due to lack of low level bad planning, but that the SLTS CIP [Super long term support civilian infrastructure platform]linux kernel is 4.4 - and so many of these target this Super Long Term kernel for multi-system compatibility reasons - at least at their core development end - as that's what the hardware engineers need - *super long* term stability, not just _long_ term, else they get grumpy :)
Night and day performance on video playback between Ubuntu and Android. Odroid has as you pointed out a little work to do to supply GPU acceleration. BTW, can you embed the X acceleration when speeding the video up? Might help gauge the true speed of the equipment?
I have the Odroid XU4. Haven't booted it up for a while now as the Linux support was iffy. The GPU acceleration support was bit off and the CPU scheduling had issues. Might need to give it a go with the Android OS 🤔
Odroid M1 or M1S is great SBC as core for nas example. That M.2 nvme slot allows great extension for sata adapters. Thou the M1S has slow pcie-lanes. If you wanna use it as basis for nas choose M1 instead as it has faster interface.
Thanks Chris and Odroid for launching another SBC wallet grabber…😂! I have a PineTab 2 which uses the RK3566 chip a find it able to run most of my Amateur radio software, so the Odroid should do the same. However, I would just spend the extra money to get the plus model including the SATA drives. Have a great week.
Hardkernel designs amazing hardware but i am disappointed by the very short software support periods. The Armbian developers are doing great work but the experience doesn't come close to actual vendor support.
Are we likely to get any future videos about using a particular SBC for a week? Or are they just getting so competent now that it's not an interesting question?
This is a good question that I often ponder on. As you note, they are getting too competent! :) I may do another "RISC-V Week", as things are changing there, and there is now the possibility to do everything using RISC-V, including video editing. And I may try a FreeBSD week . . .
I really liked some of the features of my Odroid M1S... until it failed on me. During a power outage, the M1S was plugged into a shared surge suppressor with an M1, and XU4, a Mikrotik MaP, and several other devices. The M1S was the only one to fail, and no longer boots. This experience has made me leary of buying another one, if it has some weakness to spurious events -- how can I trust it to deploy in normal embedded system scenarios if it's flaky like this?
I often wonder if the idle power usage is high, because of the single board computer, or because the included power supply is poor quality. Would you mind to add a measurement of just the power supply, with the sbc disconnected?
Great! I'm curious about USB support in this SBC. I'm a bit upset with RPi's USB support that always fails in my projects If I don't use a powered usb hub.
@@simpletongeek RPi 5 I've not tested yet. 4b and 400 I've got issues when USB3 ports are on heavy usage load(not only power usage, but I/O usage). Sometimes stops working until I restart the board.
hardware manufacturers have been torturing us for 30 years now by not giving us good video drivers in desktop linux . it shouldn't be like this! it's very depressing((
Would the 8GB Odroid M1S make a difference over the 4GB model? The idea will be to run few container services... The little power consumption makes it a really cost effective candidate for home usage.
It's a bit surprising it can't keep up with a 720p video but I guess it would potentially be useful for non-desktop uses. It just seems like a larger, more expensive Raspberry Pi Zero.
Probably like most of these Chios no video drivers with acceleration.. Its makes them useless.. They have acceleration but only for real company made software.. No Open Source.. Makes them useless unless you are making an embedded product to sell and want lots of them..
Timeline: New SBC > Happy Face > No Wifi > Sad Face. hehe I have a couple of old Odroids, and they're lovely, but like with those old ones and these, I'm always disappointed these days when I see any new SBC that it requires me to add [and shop for a compatible chipset for the kernel] WiFi... I wish they'd have no ethernet but Wifi & Bt instead - or at least always release one wired, one wireless... that way those needing PoE are still happy too :) yea yeah - blah blah hand wavy production costs etc :) - but if I can add an off the shelf device at home to add WiFi for a fiver, you manufacturers can stick one on it in the factory for less... i dare yas :))
The calendar week is structured with seven days: Monday through Sunday. If it's Sunday for you, it means that you've reached the last day of your week according to this system. This might be due to your local time zone, calendar, or schedule aligning with Sunday as the current day. C/o chatgpt. I thought you were curious to know what an AI thought
The the major issue with many of these Rockchip SBCs is that those chips were originally meant to run Android which means there was little incentive for the chipmaker to write proper drivers to make these chips work well on desktop Linux. It is unlikely the software support for these chips will ever come anywhere close to the likes of Raspberry Pi.
Seconded. And I would also like to have seen power usage during NVME testing. This looks like a really sweet board to run HA. But I would like to be able to add some storage beyond the included MMC if it doesn't double or triple the power draw.
@ExplaimingComputers were you really in a place that had a wall full of computers on the left-hand side in this video towards the end of the video?where
I was at the National Museum of Computing in Bletchley Park in the UK, looking at a working replica of Colossus. The video of my visit is here: ua-cam.com/video/KkSxC9pFGZs/v-deo.html
eMMC is _slow_. It works but is one of the slowest forms of storage. I would say that the LPDDR4 RAM is the second bottleneck. The CPU is the third bottleneck. The lack of a dedicated GPU is the fourth bottleneck. This whole system is loaded down with bottlenecks BUT that is actually a good thing. You buy this type of system for two reasons: Extremely low power consumption and to use it as a back office, always-on system OR for development/test purposes. It's not really intended for use as a daily driver.
a55 was the type of arm cpu you got in 2017 on cheap smartphones, so there is your bottleneck m.2 is nicer but a decent sata ssd will not disapoint you
From an energy usage perspective it would be most useful but the price isn't necessarily that good for the actual performance shown, albeit with the caveat that it is likely targeted at industrial use, where raw power is likely a secondary priority.
I have quite a few SBC's across the Raspberry Pi, Orange Pi, Banana Pi and other brands. I use one as a Pi-Hole on my network to provide DNS-level ad-blocking. I have one in a Pi-Cade cabinet as a bartop arcade cabinet. I have a couple that I use as build machines for Gentoo Linux - they have root filesystems on SSDs so it's easy to clone them onto (Micro) SD cards for other machines - I don't like the standard Linux builds made by the manufacturers of the boards, including Raspbian. My Pi 400 is currently an Amiga emulator. I have several Pi Zeros as cameras around the house, mainly checking out what the cat is doing at any particular moment in time.
Another entertaining video. With regards to the topic of SBCs, I'd like to see more videos discussing the applications that these devices can be used for.
Sir, I have always liked videos like this. These videos server to inspire and to inform. Thank YOU!
It is, as you say, designed for embedded applications. It should not be judged as a bad system just because it is being used for purposes it was not intended.
Exactly, it is not supposed to be a replacement for a desktop or laptop.
It would be the same as taking your family saloon car off-roading for a day and then complaining that the suspension is broken at the end of it.
"Right tool for the right job", and all that clever engineer stuff that consumers never listen to.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Right, But if you're stuck, the salon car will still get you down the road. I think it's good to stress-test these things with more OS than they can really handle, so we see how they perform while being maxed out. Gives a better idea what their realistic limits are than does just using them for the intended purpose.
@@Reziac "Right, But if you're stuck, the salon car will still get you down the road."
No, you're not answering my direct point, you're creating a different scenario - "driving down the road" is not the same scenario as "off-roading a car". Please stay on topic.
"I think it's good to stress-test these things with more OS than they can really handle, so we see how they perform while being maxed out."
Again, where did I mention "stress testing"? "Expectation of a desktop replacement" is not the same as "testing the suitability for such".
There's no point responding to me if you're not going to address my actual points.
"Gives a better idea what their realistic limits are than does just using them for the intended purpose."
Sure, but if you're an engineer like me who knows what he is doing, you don't "stress test" every single possible platform that might be used for a particular solution - you eliminate most of them before you even get to "stress testing".
"Stress testing" is something an expert does, "expecting an SBC to replace a desktop or laptop" is something someone who doesn't know what they are doing does.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Do you ever get tired of your own voice?
@@FlyboyHelosim I don't answer the questions of strangers on the Internet.
But what has the sound of my *VOICE* got to do with *WRITING* comments?
Are you really *THAT* hard of thinking?
Do try a bit harder to keep up.
I like how the Odroid M1S comes not just in its own case, but also with a first-boot installer on its eMMC. That makes getting started a lot easier! This is a very nifty and thrifty (well, if you consider $49 for 4GB or $59 for 8GB to be thrifty, just wanted to rhyme) little SBC and a great review for it too. :)
It seems thrifty until Chris mentioned the full UK price including the import costs!
We're to buy ?
I like the installer is well but that what i can choose is not my favorite Software.
It's a GREAT Sunday ! My FAVORITE Channel with a new SBC!
Hi, Leslie! It certainly is a great Sunday. :)
stop trolling
@@Puretea4711 She isn't trolling, she's just being nice. :(
Hi Leslie. I hope that all is well.
Another happy Sunday afternoon with Chris, my day is complete! It's an interesting low powered SBC with plenty of scope for projects, the video playback was better on android which surprised me! I wouldn't think of this ever being a desktop replacement :)
Beautiful Sunday with sun and EC. Brilliant idea to show ongoing power consumption.
"I don't know why I do this, it just makes me happy"
And that right there is the main reason I enjoy your videos. It doesn't feel forced, or that you "HAVE" to make these videos.
Chris, friendly suggestion: When you speed things up through the "magic of film making" you should try to give us a sense of how long things take. Other than that, let me express my gratitude for your videos
Fair point. :)
Could be put into a video called 'How long an EC video takes to make?'. I'd be interested in watching that.
Great content suggestion -- noted. :)
Great introduction to a in expensive SBC nice to keep up and thanks for thinking of all of us who don't have the time to really keep up. This channel is so helpful and very professionally done very kind of you to do this many billion thanks Peter. thanks
Mike
No problem 👍
I was just searching for a brand new sbc yesterday and and this pops up. Thanks EC.
Just finished 7th weekend in a row on the road playing gigs... I just got home.. gonna save this video until tomorrow morning!! Something to look forward to! Love your stuff Mr. Barnatt!!! Take care!
I am look for a sbc without wifi.
This SBC is greatest for me.
Thank you.
As a mature person (73 years old), I was glad to see you make some of the same word choices that I do. The magic of film, we still remember when everything was based on film, now its all video stored on some device/
The mechanics may be zeroes and ones stored on flash or spinning rust somewhere, but the magic part is still the magic of film!
Nobody cares, old man
wonderfully stated
I'm grateful for all the broadcasts that were actually filmed. There has been a flurry of re-mastering these classics into high resolution digital media. Sadly that which was filmed in the early days of digital recordings still look exactly the same, and can only be 'remastered' by applying the Vaseline smear that is AI to modernize it's pixel count.
you still have that brown stuff under your lip
I've seen several SBCs with the ability to power the board using the pins. I'd be interested to see you try it, while reviewing one of the SBCs in the future. Looking forward to your next video!
That's a good idea!
".... and now that's it" for another exciting and informative video from my favorite UA-cam producer. I love this British accent❤
Nice to see it come with everything you need for a decent price. I already have too many SBCs laying around though. I still haven't picked up a Pi5 yet.
Nice little cameo there by Mr Scissors, I like the way he snuck in like that, looks like he could teach Stanley a few tricks 👍
Points I like, when you purchase it, it's complete. Also, the mounting is by external screws. You make it clear what it can be used for. 19:30 Minor points, but it makes life easier.
A new day with a new SBC is always a good day!
Agreed!
Sunday Morning "this is the droid you are looking for" EC
:D
Another great video. Now that these tiny boxes can play video at 1080P with no problems, I'm convinced that hardware is not the issue. Software is. We need a revolution in software.
Thank you Chris for another interesting and informative video!
Great video, as always.
quite enjoyable video Chris!
You turn me onto "better stuff" than the shady guy that hangs out on the corner. A might bit cheaper too! "Explaining Computers", my new drug of choice.. You RoCk! Cheers from So.Ca.USA 3rd House on the Left. (please call before stopping by)
:)
Great video, Chris. Thanks for sharing.
I'm still saving up for my 1st Ras Pi 5
(Don't EVER get Poor! - You'll regret it !! lol)
Stick with the clones - in my experience which dates back to Pi A and Pi B models the first practical SBCs, I've found the Chinese do it better for less money and now we have developers like the Armbian project providing excellent support for many of them, there's littler reason to bother with our home grown stuff.
OK, I'm cheap, but I'm also dirt poor and I've been running some early clones as file servers for years (with DietPI and SAMBA). They're almost bullet proof and run from small 5V, 2A (10W) wall warts without ever breaking sweat. Linux servers are so stable that they can sometimes run even if some idiot pulls the disk (SD card) and often when a drive develops a fault in a non-critical area (that's only used during boot for example).
Not that I recommend trying such a stunt, but leave them alone and they're as solid and reliable as a wall socket. And you can forget them almost as easily.
i feel you i know for real
I did, and I do 😊
10/10 do not recommend
@@marcdraco2189 I first started with OrangePi PC, to save some money. Honestly, I regret all the lost time trying to make stuff work. Which I could use to make projects, if I saved some money and bought the original Raspberry Pi straightaway.
Hey, Professor! My Favorite SBC Master & Bargain Hunter As Well! No Crysis Jokes This Time. Thank You.
always love the content Chris
Amazing pricepoint and the low Watts! I think 20 years back, any personal computer was at least consuming 50-60W, and som several hundred :)
Interesting, and inexpensive enough to play around with. Thanks for another great video Chris. 😎👍
No problem 👍
Congratulation!!
The image is correctly flahsed.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.
Good day Mr. Chris!
Loving the drivel while waiting for boot to complete. Drivel on!
Very interesting! Thank you again, Chris!
Belle surprise, merci Chris
11:30 - Purple is my favourite colour. Always a treat to see it.
Insane routing on the M1!
I saw there is a Mini-ITX RISC-V motherboard out there called the Milk V Jupiter. It really is a step in the right direction for RISC-V. I think in a couple of years most budget computers are going to have ARM and RISC-V processors instead of X86 processors.
As much as I love RISC-V, I fear your prediction is only half true. ARM is the only architecture between the two that has enough corporate support to break into the budget PC market. RISC-V may achieve the same, but it is well more than a couple of years away at this point. As it stands, RISC-V is chipping away at the bottom of the microcontroller market which was once occupied by the likes of PIC, and Google is reportedly shipping them at scale in their latest generation of hardware AI/ML accelerators. So there are reasons to be optimistic still. Btw, I got a demo of the Milk-V Jupiter last month at a conference courtesy of the RISC-V team at Red Hat, but it was lacking any graphics acceleration support. I know it has a display accelerator on board, but I'm not sure if it's a case of waiting for the drivers to get merged into the mainline Linux kernel or what. Imo, this class of problem is a big part of what keeps desktop RISC-V from being viable for the masses for the time being.
@@LargeDivisor I think that RISC-V is 6 years behind ARM. I think in 2030 RISC-V is going to be used in mini pc's and some laptops. I hope that RISC-V will be used in more and more devices in the near future.
@@LargeDivisor RISC-V is doing quite well in the server space. This practically guarantees its development will be expanded. Whether it breaches the desktop space is another question.
@@hermanwooster8944 This doesn’t exactly line up with my understanding of RISC-V’s performance in the server market. Can you provide some examples of RISC-V based servers that are excelling right now? I can’t find many examples although I do see now that Scaleway is offering it as a cloud option (really cool!)
11:30 oh, that's a nice purply color.
"It's all I have" to a man, this means his space, one thing that doesn't have to be sacrificed.
Maybe an SBC with Bluetooth, paired with a portable Bluetooth speaker would make a good streaming "radio" at a modest cost?
Judging by the power use and those hefty heat sinks, temperature wasn't enough of a problem to discuss?
Very interesting board Prof. Thank you Sir
Sunday greetings, Mr Barnatt.
Can be a good value proposion if they (regularly) update to a recent version of android. The best feature is this cpu supports 10 uart connections, great for iot manufacturers.
Is that Mr. Scissors muttering in the background about the good old days and the excitement he misses from not being involved? It was great while it lasted!
I imagine so . . .
I really like the complete package approach -- no need to hunt up a case, just plug the thing in and off you go. That power use is low enough to run off a portable power bank, too. I wonder how much more it uses with the NVMe installed?
Side thought: one could predict a cottage industry in gutting a dead laptop, install one of these boards, attach it to the existing screen and keyboard, and voila, a complete portable unit. (That's actually how my Asus netbook is designed, it's an SBC in a netbook package.)
Technically, every laptop with soldered RAM and storage is an SBC in a laptop chassis. If oyu don't count the boards in ram or storage, that becomes basically all of them. They're all just extremely specific shapes with weird I/O.
@@DigitalJedi The Asus is a complete unit, tho, just unscrew and out it comes. It actually looks like a Pi board, and everything is soldered to it. (There's also an NVMe slot, but not really worth the bother.) It doesn't have this and that crammed into far corners of the case.
Everything wrong with the Pi 5 is right with the Odroid M1S. No more dongles, adapters, extension cords, flexible cables for PCI-E. Well done!👍
I love energy-efficient computing! ... My old home-built desktop hardly ever gets booted-up nowadays, as my Mini PC uses a fraction of the energy.
Your Mini PC's cpu might even be faster, too!
@@hermanwooster8944 The desktop is ancient, and the Mini PC's specs are better. It's a great little PC, and a pleasure to use!
As this has Ubuntu Server option, I would like to see a practical application of this board 🙏
9:20 "Image is correctly flahsed" - quite an alarming typo at that stage of proceedings !
Good morning!
Afternoon for me!
@@edwardharding5677Good afternoon to you!
A good morning to you too, although it's late afternoon over here ;)
@@alanthornton3530 Hi, Alan! :D
Greetings!
A nice SBC, and one that would be a reliable workhorse - not flashy, but a solid little entry.
And a great price too, something that is becoming a rarity in this field.
Well said!
I wonder why they supply an older Ubuntu for install when a newer release may even handle graphic acceleration in the new kernel.
Usually it's the kernel modules being developed ongoing. It's likely that they're either not yet compatible with kernel 6, or built into a later kernel - but this would preclude them continuing their own development purposes - note these are usually sold as "development kits" rather than "home use plug and play sbcs".
I was using a brand new Rocki4c+ the other day - and for those reasons, unless you buildroot or armbian your own distro, that's limited to kernel 4.4, and its supplied current base distro is Debian 11
This isn't due to lack of low level bad planning, but that the SLTS CIP [Super long term support civilian infrastructure platform]linux kernel is 4.4 - and so many of these target this Super Long Term kernel for multi-system compatibility reasons - at least at their core development end - as that's what the hardware engineers need - *super long* term stability, not just _long_ term, else they get grumpy :)
09:22 "Congratulation!! The image is correctly flahsed ." Three typos in one screen.
Night and day performance on video playback between Ubuntu and Android. Odroid has as you pointed out a little work to do to supply GPU acceleration. BTW, can you embed the X acceleration when speeding the video up? Might help gauge the true speed of the equipment?
I have the Odroid XU4. Haven't booted it up for a while now as the Linux support was iffy. The GPU acceleration support was bit off and the CPU scheduling had issues. Might need to give it a go with the Android OS 🤔
Odroid M1 or M1S is great SBC as core for nas example. That M.2 nvme slot allows great extension for sata adapters. Thou the M1S has slow pcie-lanes. If you wanna use it as basis for nas choose M1 instead as it has faster interface.
64 GB emmc built right in is super nice. So many have that weird EMMC connector for an EMMC carrier chip.
Nice a android and Linux computer you are the best mate.
Thanks Chris and Odroid for launching another SBC wallet grabber…😂! I have a PineTab 2 which uses the RK3566 chip a find it able to run most of my Amateur radio software, so the Odroid should do the same. However, I would just spend the extra money to get the plus model including the SATA drives.
Have a great week.
Hardkernel designs amazing hardware but i am disappointed by the very short software support periods. The Armbian developers are doing great work but the experience doesn't come close to actual vendor support.
Are we likely to get any future videos about using a particular SBC for a week? Or are they just getting so competent now that it's not an interesting question?
This is a good question that I often ponder on. As you note, they are getting too competent! :) I may do another "RISC-V Week", as things are changing there, and there is now the possibility to do everything using RISC-V, including video editing. And I may try a FreeBSD week . . .
I really liked some of the features of my Odroid M1S... until it failed on me. During a power outage, the M1S was plugged into a shared surge suppressor with an M1, and XU4, a Mikrotik MaP, and several other devices. The M1S was the only one to fail, and no longer boots. This experience has made me leary of buying another one, if it has some weakness to spurious events -- how can I trust it to deploy in normal embedded system scenarios if it's flaky like this?
Thanks!
It's The SBC Man...
@9:21 lol they typo'd the word flashed as flahsed
I often wonder if the idle power usage is high, because of the single board computer, or because the included power supply is poor quality.
Would you mind to add a measurement of just the power supply, with the sbc disconnected?
When nothing else was available I bought an Odroid C4 with exactly the same issues. Very poor driver support on an older Linux.
I’m still waiting for an x86 compute module with the exact form factor of the cm4. I really want to use an x86 compute module for a pspi 6 project.
when you said it was only available as a kit i got a bit excited to solder my own SBC together. i guess not that kind of kit
It is a shame that it is not that kind of kit! :) I think a solder-yourself SBC kit of some kind would be very popular
Great! I'm curious about USB support in this SBC. I'm a bit upset with RPi's USB support that always fails in my projects If I don't use a powered usb hub.
Does this include Raspi 5? As I understand it, Raspi 4 and 5 can handle quite a bit of power drain.
@@simpletongeek RPi 5 I've not tested yet. 4b and 400 I've got issues when USB3 ports are on heavy usage load(not only power usage, but I/O usage). Sometimes stops working until I restart the board.
"Often held back by it's software support rather than the hardware" as the image of a quantum computer is displayed. Just a coincidence???
With Chris, no.
Thank you for showing power consumption.
hardware manufacturers have been torturing us for 30 years now by not giving us good video drivers in desktop linux . it shouldn't be like this! it's very depressing((
Would the 8GB Odroid M1S make a difference over the 4GB model? The idea will be to run few container services... The little power consumption makes it a really cost effective candidate for home usage.
Will you be reviewing the M2, info on the uk website is a bit sparse but it looks iike it it more than twice as fast.
It's a bit surprising it can't keep up with a 720p video but I guess it would potentially be useful for non-desktop uses. It just seems like a larger, more expensive Raspberry Pi Zero.
Probably like most of these Chios no video drivers with acceleration..
Its makes them useless..
They have acceleration but only for real company made software.. No Open Source..
Makes them useless unless you are making an embedded product to sell and want lots of them..
Nice video.
It sure is!
Timeline: New SBC > Happy Face > No Wifi > Sad Face. hehe
I have a couple of old Odroids, and they're lovely, but like with those old ones and these, I'm always disappointed these days when I see any new SBC that it requires me to add [and shop for a compatible chipset for the kernel] WiFi... I wish they'd have no ethernet but Wifi & Bt instead - or at least always release one wired, one wireless... that way those needing PoE are still happy too :) yea yeah - blah blah hand wavy production costs etc :) - but if I can add an off the shelf device at home to add WiFi for a fiver, you manufacturers can stick one on it in the factory for less... i dare yas :))
Very interesting, Thanks
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This one would be a great low power server.
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Nice vid thanks!
Solid. And if you need a 3.5mm audio jack find a monitor with one and use HDMI! ⚛
09:26 "The image is correctly flahsed." Hopefully, the contents of the image is correctly spelled ;-)
The the major issue with many of these Rockchip SBCs is that those chips were originally meant to run Android which means there was little incentive for the chipmaker to write proper drivers to make these chips work well on desktop Linux.
It is unlikely the software support for these chips will ever come anywhere close to the likes of Raspberry Pi.
Unfortunately, it cost the same as raspberry pi 5 with 8gb ram after shipping and taxes.
Makes me struggling to decide which one to choose.
Power usage when running android would have been nice. As you said android chipset drivers are better, perhaps power usage as well.
Seconded. And I would also like to have seen power usage during NVME testing.
This looks like a really sweet board to run HA. But I would like to be able to add some storage beyond the included MMC if it doesn't double or triple the power draw.
Very good, very good
@ExplaimingComputers were you really in a place that had a wall full of computers on the left-hand side in this video towards the end of the video?where
I was at the National Museum of Computing in Bletchley Park in the UK, looking at a working replica of Colossus. The video of my visit is here: ua-cam.com/video/KkSxC9pFGZs/v-deo.html
And here we have some delicious food for the algorithm ;-)
Bon appetit 😋
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Where is the speed bottleneck? emmc or cpu? Does the m2 drive make the experience snappier?
eMMC is _slow_. It works but is one of the slowest forms of storage. I would say that the LPDDR4 RAM is the second bottleneck. The CPU is the third bottleneck. The lack of a dedicated GPU is the fourth bottleneck. This whole system is loaded down with bottlenecks BUT that is actually a good thing. You buy this type of system for two reasons: Extremely low power consumption and to use it as a back office, always-on system OR for development/test purposes. It's not really intended for use as a daily driver.
a55 was the type of arm cpu you got in 2017 on cheap smartphones, so there is your bottleneck
m.2 is nicer but a decent sata ssd will not disapoint you
From an energy usage perspective it would be most useful but the price isn't necessarily that good for the actual performance shown, albeit with the caveat that it is likely targeted at industrial use, where raw power is likely a secondary priority.
Will the potential ever be fulfilled?
It does not have camera connector and that is weird.
Also would be nice for these boards to have PoE.
Question to viewers: if you have an SBC, what do you use it for?
Lots and lots and lots of things. Watch through this channel's back-catalog to learn more. ;)
Home automation
@@Praxibetel-Ix You haven't answered the question,
I have quite a few SBC's across the Raspberry Pi, Orange Pi, Banana Pi and other brands.
I use one as a Pi-Hole on my network to provide DNS-level ad-blocking.
I have one in a Pi-Cade cabinet as a bartop arcade cabinet.
I have a couple that I use as build machines for Gentoo Linux - they have root filesystems on SSDs so it's easy to clone them onto (Micro) SD cards for other machines - I don't like the standard Linux builds made by the manufacturers of the boards, including Raspbian.
My Pi 400 is currently an Amiga emulator.
I have several Pi Zeros as cameras around the house, mainly checking out what the cat is doing at any particular moment in time.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I'd be here all day long if I listed every single thing that you can use an SBC for!
Is possible to install Windows 11 for arm on m1s ?
What is that "4G" in top of usb and "Q.C pass" intop of ethernet port?
4 GB of RAM and it passed their quality check
4G is a 4 Gb model, QC pass means it has been quality control inspected…
4 gbs ram
4GB of RAM