I like the "no one knows what other shoes I'm going to include in this video". Thanks for another great review. I was looking forward to getting these, but then the Hoka Cielo X1 was 34% off and I couldn't pass.
I'm so glad you talked about the Alphafly 3s because I currently have a pair and I'm not a fan of the smacking noise (although people know you're coming up behind them on a run) but the rickety rigidness is not enjoyable for me. I hope the Adios Pro 4 can be a great alternative to the Alphafly 3. Great job as always Ko!
Liking your conclusion there on these shoe companies, I feel lucky to be a runner today. I do hope these awesome running shoe companies chill on the “max everything” trend.
Great Review, I own the AF3 and the AP3, and for me the AP3 feels better, more reactive, more responsive, feels like something is pushing you forward, with AF3 it feels to soft for me, not so responsive, is a great shoe but as you say it will depend of the runner who is wearing it. I’m pretty excited for the AP4, hope they don’t sell out too quickly
I'm hoping that the long lead time between Berlin and the launch date gives them a chance to better assess demand and make enough to satisfy that demand
It's so interesting that two shoes can be so good and fast and yet feel completely different. I love that there is no "best" shoe, theres a ton of shoes and you just gotta find the one that works best for you. What a great time to be a runner!
people always want to know which one is better or which one is "best", and it's getting very hard to answer that question (without knowing a lot about what that runner likes)
@@kofuzi Couldn’t agree more, you still do an amazing job at giving recommendations and other options though and I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates that!
If only we could just test run all of them without having to pay for them lol. I was sold on the Vaporfly until they came out with the VP3. I have the Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris but as much as I like it i am not totally sold on it. I feel that the Endorphin geometry / rocker fits me better but have not tried the Endorphin Pro line. I tried the Elite 1 but did not like the upper so I returned it. I am now very curious between this show AP4 and the Endorphin Elite 2 for my next shoe. One very important feature for me is that the tongue is either stitched, gusseted or the upper is a one piece. As far as I know there are only 3 or 4 super shoes that fit that criteria.
Great review as usual, love your reviews, I find everything I look for. I dont buy shoes without seeing your reviews😂. thanks for putting all the detailed reviews.
The updates they did in this 4th version are working for me so far. The softer Lightstrike Pro (LSP) is something I appreciate giving a soft ride to a bit of aggressive geometry. The upper is a significant improvement from version 3. It feels more comfortable and I can get a race snug fit quicker in version 4. The softer foam though is a concern for me especially from the durability standpoint. I hope it doesn't bottom-out quickly. I believe the LSP midsole of the Evo 1 has been recently called Lightstrike Pro Evo to distinguish it from the standard LSP. The LSP Evo is airier, more cushioned but probably less durable. Thanks for the review and keep up the good work. 😊
@@seph_ No I didn't. Fortunately the upper fit my foot perfectly and the rocker geometry was exactly where I wanted it to be on my foot. My concern about going up half a size is that my foot might not fit into the rocker or instep anymore.
After talking with you earlier about them and a user of AP3 - I like the foam reaction and return in these - it also seems as if these don't need the break in period like the AP3 and my stride is "closer" to yours hence I took your advice on the ASICS MS Sky P and thoroughly enjoy and you did not steer me wrong. I do like the TS10 feel as well and will take your advice and look to buy the 4's and then make a "game time" decision between these and the ASICS MS Sky P for London.
The lightspray is the least interesting thing about that shoe to me. The fact that, compared to the non-LS cloudboom strike, they changed the number of clouds, moved the clouds higher up in the stack, and shifted the clouds more towards the middle of the foot is what is interesting to me
I'm very excited about the Adios Pro 4. However, as a shoe retailer store manager, something that most people liked about the Adios Pro 3 is that it was a good shoe for slower runners that don't run faster paces. People that run 10-11 min/miles didn't feel like you needed to be a faster runner to get the best out of it. I'm afraid the aggressive new rocker will make this shoe not slow runner friendly.
@@yeet76231 For the most part it looks and feels (on step in) very aggressive but on the run it's nowhere near as aggressive. Most slower paced customers go for the Adios Pro 3 or the SuperComp Elite v4.
No one that’s running 10-11 min/miles has any business spending that much money on a super shoe. I’m all for the democratization of running tech, it’s objectively awesome, but that’s an absolutely insane choice of shoe.
Even as a 6:30ish/mile half marathoner I told myself Im not getting a super shoe until my mile times are in the 5 minute range. I think if your mile times are 10/11 minutes you should probably work on getting to a better BMI and slowly building weekly mileage volume comfortably. And there is nothing comfort about carbon plates. Just my two cents.
Loving the options for a full Adidas lineup. I have the SL2’s, and the Takumi Sen 10’s, and am looking forward to adding the Pro 4. Never thought of a fourth shoe, but will check out the Ultraboost 5’s, thanks!
Just a note: CPU outsoles are used by chinese brands since YEARS, no clue why western market didnt adope them earlier... they are insanely durable and - at least on road - very grippy
I found the SL2 much faster but definitely less stable than the Supernova. The fit of the SL2 needs work, they gave me the worst ankle bite of any shoe and tore up my Achilles, They should have copy pasted the Boston 12 fit because its perfect.
@@Powellcon_2 I agree with you regarding the SL2 being faster (and fun) than the Supernova. But for higher volume with less injuries, the SN is my go to for 99% of users. I didn't experience the same issues with the SL2, but did with the B12. It's the only reason why I use it less and only keep it for long runs that exceed 15k (since I find that the SL top out at about that distance) and that will at some point require faster tempo. But man, is the fitting cumbersome. In addition, that's why I chose the Puma Elite 3 over the Pro3, because I've heard too many complaints about the upper. I will however purchase the Pro4 for my 2025 marathons and probably the upcoming Evo SL to replace the B12 :)
@@Powellcon_2 Again, for me the B12's upper is just to problematic. On most days, I don't need to spend 15min on getting the proper fitting and an energy rod. One just laces up the SN in 2 seconds and GO :)
I found the AP3 laces extremely difficult to adjust, as well as challenging to find the proper fit. Curious if you experienced similar challenges and if you found the same with the AP4? Extremely well done video btw. Yeah it was long but I don’t feel like there was any fluff in there, and all of it was extremely interesting. Appreciate all the research and hard work 💪
there's a lot of similarity in the lacing, although I found it a bit easier to dial in the fit of the Adios Pro 4 because of the difference in eyelets near the toes. I think there is a bit of a difference in the grippiness of the other eyelets as well. it overall doesn't make for a huge change, but it's an improvement
I'm very excited for this shoe, but a little disappointed they couldn't have it released to the general public prior to fall marathon season, I would have loved to race in it. Hopefully once January comes around it will be readily available and not a situation where we're still hoping to buy a pair for next fall marathon season!
I think it was a real miss, and I got the sense that it was a major breakthrough just to get enough for pros and reviewers to have the shoe in time for Berlin. I'm hoping that with positive feedback from Berlin and a January release date, they will be able to do a good job of predicting how many units they need to meet demand for the Spring marathon season.
Wow what a shoe! Am psyched that the 60/40 (or whatever) rocker geometry of the EVO1 trickled down to the AP4 even if the rubber didn't. Lightstrike Pro 1.5 sounds exciting too. But since I usually wait until shoes go on sale before picking them up, looks like I'm going to be waiting a long long time to try these. Also I would have swapped the SL with the B12 in your lineup. Not just to annoy you; I really do think it's a decent DT that absolutely _can_ do tempo when you want to save wear and tear on your better tempo trainers.
Thanks for the video man. Looking forwards to the 4 because I love the 3, but I will say even though I'm fully in the 3 stripes, the way they're handling the release for these and the Evo Sl is really off putting
there's only one other brand that I can think of that will have people race in the shoe, several months prior to the launch date, and I don't like it when that brand does it either. and while I get (and was encouraging for months) the need to have a shoe update for the 50th Berlin Marathon that they are a sponsor of and is held in their home country, I wish the broader release would have followed. like, imagine if it was like: (1) Berlin debut, (2) Chicago limited drop, (3) New York colorway, and then (4) January 2025 release. I recognize that so many things need to line up in order to get inventory in the right places in the world at the right times and in the right quantities, but man that would have been an impressive rollout.
@kofuzi Absolutely. I can understand that coordinating inventory across multiple continents is tricky (not that they don't already have those systems in place but still), but I feel like with a company the size of Adidas they could have had at least a limited launch for Chicago and NYC as well as berlin. That could have offered at least a token gesture to the common folk that they aren't forgotten about (not to sound dramatic), and that they can have a chance to get it for their race, and not just the media folks. I am happy that most other brands are still, at least on what we see on this side, holding to the 1ish month embargo drop to release. Oh well, I will say in general I was disappointed with Adidas' presence at Chicago, I expected to at least be able to pick up a Takumi or AP3, I get that it's very much their competitors event but just having the Supernova and Ultraboost was disappointing, especially when folks like Puma brought things like the Fast RB, Asics had the full spectrum, etc
I know @kofuzi you aren’t a big Nike supershoe fan, but the AF3 did me right in Chicago. I found it very comfortable and responsive. I’m also a huge adios pro 3 fan. Looking forward to the 4.
Hey MK! Cool to see you in Miami 5k finish line. Ps, My right shoe popped (foam/rod?) during the Miami 5k race. Adidas is being good about sending me a new pair, but wonder if it was because the white version is more a prototype vs the new colorways? hmmmm It is a shame, because it is a really responsive /comfortable show. Anyways, keep up the great love of the sport good sir. Maybe see you at the Chicago 10k ... Czad
I ran London in the AP3 because i knew it was the reliable option, but all my PRs in distances below marathon are in the Alphafly1. I have my next big marathon in April and I’m so torn as to whether to get the AP4, the AF3 or maybe even the Sky Paris. The cost of these shoes makes getting it “wrong” a very tricky issue to navigate around!
Would like your input on 2 things: 1. With colder weather around the corner in North America, would you consider comparing the different shoes in winter conditions? 2. What’s your take on using the racer’s loop (heel lock)?
@@Eirikkinserdal probably won't hit that date but maybe later in the week. (there are already reviews out there for the shoe, and I suspect that people who will be trying for the lottery for a chance to buy from the limited drop will be buying regardless of what I say)
always love your reviews man!! specially the shoe rotation lineup and other shoe recommendation segments! these are really really helpful. I just noticed that on this video, you haven’t included the boston 12 in the lineup. Is Boston 12 still a great purchase this late 2024 for an overall shoe? I mean from daily trainers, workouts (intervals and fartleks) or even racing in the HM and Marathon distances?
Sweet shoe, though it will be hard to improve upon the AP3, at least for me. But I can't wait to see! In the meantime, so PUMPED for the Evo SL. If its the shoe I think it will be, I doubt I'll be purchasing any other road shoe in 2025 aside from the AP4.
Great review, but its only for my eyes only 😢 some people are just previlidged to wear, experience all thse wonderful technology first hand 😊 i can only Envy 😊 ❤
The magic of the Alphafly 3 for me is how much it protects the legs Mile after mile - I finish the marathon and I feel I could run farther - 2PBs in 2 marathons with that shoe for me No idea how protective the Adidas is, thoughts?
I think it is a good incremental evolution and I would like to get a pair some time but I am not in a rush as I have a variety of supershoes in my possession. I actually didn't race in AP3. I used my pair for a few longer long runs in a marathon cycle and they worked well for that purpose. However, I am contemplating running CIM in AP3. I am probably not going to be in a PR shape so I think it is a good opportunity to use my pair in a race. I think the biggest plus of AP4 over v3 is the upper. Those that didn't get along with v3 upper will cherish this one.
The narrower forefoot and tighter fit than the AP3 have me a little worried. The AP3 isn't the easiest shoe to fit in and I'm worried about how cramped my toes will be in the AP4. Then again I went half a size down for my current pair so maybe I'd be fine in my usual size. We'll see I guess. I'm also looking forward to the Evo SL.
I got a pair while I was in Berlin. I haven't been in a rush to test it yet as it doesn't release for a while (I know the Adios Pro 4 doesn't come out for a while either, but I wanted to talk about it while my experience racing with it was still fresh)
i have vaporfly 3, adios pro 3, prime X strung and alphafly 3. Alphafly is by far the loudest! can't sneak up on anyone with and no worry of people not aware of you running behind towards them
Great review! I was looking forward to this. I may get a pair + another pair for someone else. But one thing: You don't have to disclose. Anything. Knowing you admire BITR, I will use them as a counterpoint. They disclose no shoe origins. Ever. Not the fact that they get every reviewed shoe for free. Usually several pair. (They only got a single Evo 1.) They most certainly don't tell us who pays for their flamboyant trips all over the world. The Diadora trip to Italy? Just a little vacay. Sometimes a sponsor is mentioned for the flight/hotel/entry/pre- and post-race festivities for a marathon. NB for NYC one year. Could'nt tell if they plugged adidas during the Berlin trip. (I didn't listen to their long-form show about it.) They don't even admit to being married. You have, of course discussed this with them, but we, the viewers are never told. And they certainly don't confess to how the hundreds of shoes they review get there. Some say you HAVE TO disclose. Some say it is illegal NOT to. But Believe never has. Ever. And nothing has happened to them.
it's been a crazy week. I filmed this way past my bedtime, and talking on camera is a bit more difficult when I'm exhausted. a lot of my words are mumbled/slurred from being tired. I normally would reshoot, but I just didn't have the time.
I’ve been an Altra fan forever… I rotated two pairs of escalantes for years. The 3rd gen wasn’t the best and I am maybe thinking of breaking up with Altra… tough decision especially after this video
the rubbers are not tradition rubber，it use the new“CPU” casting polyurethane elastomer，it's more lighter and have a better grip than tradition rubber😊
Hi Ko nice review as always. Just want to ask an opinion is it okay for people to buy shoes from 2 or 3 years back? Is the years will affect the performance of the shoes midsole even the shoes is brand new?
I haven't seen anyone do any sort of formal or even anecdotal research on this. so I'll speculate and here's my thinking: on the one hand, shoes are made out of materials that I imagine won't biodegrade for several thousand years. on the other hand, having seen shoes in the Adidas Archive that were from the 80s and are literally crumbling apart despite being stored in a humidity and temperature controlled space, my gut reaction would be that it would depend on who you're getting the shoe from and how the shoe was stored over time. so I would venture a guess of: 2 years old? probably fine. 5 years old? I'd probably stay away.
@@kofuzi thank you because right now in my place there is a lot of model that are from 2-4 years ago being heavily discounted. I myself just got a Endorphin Speed 2 from Saucony. So it just occur my mind to ask. Great opinion from you and thank you again
Great review. Just ordered the Pro 4. Hated the V3 as the lacing was terrible. The V1 was great and I still have a brand new bright yellow pair that I might break out at some point! Curious though about just having two pairs of shoes. I've run with the Prime X V1 and like those as a daily trainer. Might those (or I suppose the latest Strung version) be a good pairing with the Pro 4?
yes. it's not a pairing I'd necessarily recommend to a lot of people, but if you're liking Prime X v1 (the not strung version was my favorite of the Prime X's) as an everyday shoe , the Adios Pro 4 is a good choice for racing shoe
Would the Evo SL be a replacement for the Adizero SL in that lineup? And would that be superior to the normal SL in a marathon build due to being a better long run shoe?
I havne't run in my Evo SL yet. I'll get to it eventually, but probably not for another week or so. in the meantime, there are a lot of other reviewers who have already posted their thoughts. I'd recommend checking them out.
Hey Mike! thanks for your thoughts! How does is stack up feel wise against the Metaspeed Sky +/Paris? Im a bit of a fresher runner and usually love Asics shoes but when I tried the Metaspeed Sky + I found them a bit stiff & almost feeling like a positive drop with a mountain I have to climb in every step. So now im looking at the AP4 or the AF3 for my next Marathon.
@kofuzi As always excellent review, do you think it will be possible to make a comparison between the adizero adios pro 4 and the asics metaspeed sky paris? Will shoes be direct competitors?
They’re competitors in that they are flagship race product, but I think there are shoes that feel more similar. I’m working on a 100 mile update to the MetaSpeed Sky Paris. Some comparisons will be made there
hi Kofuzi... nice video, as usual. May I ask you a question, please? where do you get the best improvement: from Adios 3 to Adios 4 or from Alphafly 2 to Alphafly 3? thanks for your amazing review.
I am a bit unclear as to what this question is asking, so I will rephrase it. I think this question is asking which shoe improved more from year to year. I think there is a bigger jump between Alphafly 2 to 3 rather than Adios Pro 3 to 4.
Adidas should have two running shoes: (1) The Adios Pro with its rods, elite foam, and thin outsole and (2) the regular Adios which would have the same foam, a thicker rubber outsole, and no rods.
Hello Kofuzi! I’ve got really surprised with the comparison to the Alpha 3. Is it similar than the Endorphin Pro 4 or the Nitro Elite 3 or even MetaSpeed?
I’ve been doing the alternatives section in my review videos for a while now, and I typically choose the shoes that feel most similar or are trying to achieve the most similar feel. This time, I thought I’d choose one that people would most want to hear about, despite the fact that they feel very different.
Yes. They are comparable. There are other shoes that have more similar sensations, and I’ve talked about those in this video. But as far as marathon racing and training goes, I really enjoy both the MetaSpeed Sky Paris and the Adios Pro 4
Very informative! In comparison to the Takumi Sen 10, will the AP4 be a more effective race shoe for 5K to 10K events? Considering the weight savings of the AP4 (similar weight to TS10), more bouncier foam and 60% rocker, although there's a big difference in terms of stack height. Or will the AP4 be somehow "overkill" for 5K to 10K racing?
Thanks for the insight of Alphafly3. I've never seen anyone say an issue with the material at the ankle before. It cuts one of my ankles, after running only 10km with long socks, a red mark remained on the ankle and now the shoes are in a box. I was thinking how to solve the problem, because the store did not take the shoes back. Maybe add another shoe sole. There were no problems with the first version or Vaporfly 1, 2, 3.
I had the Ekiden version of Vaporly 4% flyknit, and that one cut me up so bad. It started out as a white upper but didn't stay that way for long. A longer/taller sock solved the issue for me.
I went out to try the adios pro 4, while I didn't get to run in them, the narrowness was not for me. I feel like it wasn't stable enough for me and I could feel getting blisters in a long run. Too bad cuz they look really cool.
@@kofuzi not the most runner savy and I stay in the 10k, half marathon range. Ive ran in pegasus and alphafly, hovrs from under armour and ultra boost. I just tried on the glycerin max and absolutely love them, but would like another shoe to go with em.
I've discussed it over on IG. I don't plan on giving it a formal review here on UA-cam. and really, there's not a lot more I would say over what I have in this video. it's part of the reason why this video is so much longer than usual for my reviews. I feel like I hit all the main points I'd want to for a review of that shoe
if it's new, see if you can return or exchange. it's it's something that's happened after you've had it for a while, see if customer service can do something for you. also, check if there isn't a literal rock in the cutout under the shoe.
I can't remember if I was talking to someone a retailer or a colleague, but I vaguely recall hearing that the Adistar BYD was not picked up by any US retailers. I'm not sure it's actually available to me in the US.
Hi! Like your videos! Question. You have a supinated foot stride. I overpronate. How relevante would you say your review of shoes would be for me since we have different gait?
Neither would be my first pick, but they’re both really great. The two shoes are quite different though, so a lot of the analysis comes down to runner preference
this is a complex question because I use the two shoes differently. So, if I had zero shoes and I had to buy one shoe and only one shoe, I would not pick the racing shoe, I would pick the Superblast 2. If I have many other shoes and am simply looking for one shoe to add next, it would really depend on what kind of shoe I want.
Ah yeah. Both are really fun. There is a big difference in the width of the forefoot footprint (what you land on, not talking about toe boxes). That makes a big difference in how the shoe rides. I feel like the Adios Pro 4 is more nimble
Just picked up the Pro 4s. Torn between the two. Saucony elites feel a little quicker but also tear up my feet. (Maybe I need to size up whole size). The pros feel great and comfortable but I feel I have to work a little bit harder compared to the elites as far as turn over.
I like the "no one knows what other shoes I'm going to include in this video".
Thanks for another great review. I was looking forward to getting these, but then the Hoka Cielo X1 was 34% off and I couldn't pass.
nice
I'm so glad you talked about the Alphafly 3s because I currently have a pair and I'm not a fan of the smacking noise (although people know you're coming up behind them on a run) but the rickety rigidness is not enjoyable for me. I hope the Adios Pro 4 can be a great alternative to the Alphafly 3. Great job as always Ko!
thanks!
Liking your conclusion there on these shoe companies, I feel lucky to be a runner today. I do hope these awesome running shoe companies chill on the “max everything” trend.
it's a great time to be a runner
Great Review, I own the AF3 and the AP3, and for me the AP3 feels better, more reactive, more responsive, feels like something is pushing you forward, with AF3 it feels to soft for me, not so responsive, is a great shoe but as you say it will depend of the runner who is wearing it. I’m pretty excited for the AP4, hope they don’t sell out too quickly
I'm hoping that the long lead time between Berlin and the launch date gives them a chance to better assess demand and make enough to satisfy that demand
It's so interesting that two shoes can be so good and fast and yet feel completely different. I love that there is no "best" shoe, theres a ton of shoes and you just gotta find the one that works best for you. What a great time to be a runner!
people always want to know which one is better or which one is "best", and it's getting very hard to answer that question (without knowing a lot about what that runner likes)
@@kofuzi Couldn’t agree more, you still do an amazing job at giving recommendations and other options though and I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates that!
If only we could just test run all of them without having to pay for them lol. I was sold on the Vaporfly until they came out with the VP3. I have the Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris but as much as I like it i am not totally sold on it. I feel that the Endorphin geometry / rocker fits me better but have not tried the Endorphin Pro line. I tried the Elite 1 but did not like the upper so I returned it.
I am now very curious between this show AP4 and the Endorphin Elite 2 for my next shoe. One very important feature for me is that the tongue is either stitched, gusseted or the upper is a one piece. As far as I know there are only 3 or 4 super shoes that fit that criteria.
The comparo to the AF3 is damn spot on! Thank you!!!
Happy you enjoyed that part!
Finally !!! Been waiting for this!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥thank you, cant wait to get this shoes on january
hope you enjoy!
Great review as usual, love your reviews, I find everything I look for. I dont buy shoes without seeing your reviews😂. thanks for putting all the detailed reviews.
Thanks so much!
The updates they did in this 4th version are working for me so far. The softer Lightstrike Pro (LSP) is something I appreciate giving a soft ride to a bit of aggressive geometry. The upper is a significant improvement from version 3. It feels more comfortable and I can get a race snug fit quicker in version 4. The softer foam though is a concern for me especially from the durability standpoint. I hope it doesn't bottom-out quickly.
I believe the LSP midsole of the Evo 1 has been recently called Lightstrike Pro Evo to distinguish it from the standard LSP. The LSP Evo is airier, more cushioned but probably less durable.
Thanks for the review and keep up the good work. 😊
I do hope that they give the Evo's LSP a different name, especially with Evo SL coming soon
Did you size up? My pro 4 fits very snug compared to pro 3
@@seph_ No I didn't. Fortunately the upper fit my foot perfectly and the rocker geometry was exactly where I wanted it to be on my foot. My concern about going up half a size is that my foot might not fit into the rocker or instep anymore.
That SS logo 4:42 ! So sick! 😅
Germans…
Thinking the same. Looking not good ...
This is a shoe for people who want to finish a race...
what is the meaning behind that logo?
@@네.이.트 DAYUM HAHAHA
"BABE COME QUICK Kofuzi just dropped a fresh new line for the disclosures!!"
got to stay one step ahead
i thought i was the only one to notice 😂
I do not know that, thanks for pointing it out. makes me watch the video again 🤓
As always, what a great review!
thank you
Excited for this shoe!
hope you get a chance to try it soon!
After talking with you earlier about them and a user of AP3 - I like the foam reaction and return in these - it also seems as if these don't need the break in period like the AP3 and my stride is "closer" to yours hence I took your advice on the ASICS MS Sky P and thoroughly enjoy and you did not steer me wrong. I do like the TS10 feel as well and will take your advice and look to buy the 4's and then make a "game time" decision between these and the ASICS MS Sky P for London.
thanks for the feedback!
Can’t wait to get the chance to buy this shoe, a mere three months after all the influencers have got to play with them
hope you enjoy!
Excited to hear your thoughts on the Lighspray once you run in it.
The lightspray is the least interesting thing about that shoe to me. The fact that, compared to the non-LS cloudboom strike, they changed the number of clouds, moved the clouds higher up in the stack, and shifted the clouds more towards the middle of the foot is what is interesting to me
I'm very excited about the Adios Pro 4. However, as a shoe retailer store manager, something that most people liked about the Adios Pro 3 is that it was a good shoe for slower runners that don't run faster paces. People that run 10-11 min/miles didn't feel like you needed to be a faster runner to get the best out of it. I'm afraid the aggressive new rocker will make this shoe not slow runner friendly.
Interesting that you think it works for slower paces. Every customer I've had that tried them on said they're incredibly aggressive
@@yeet76231 For the most part it looks and feels (on step in) very aggressive but on the run it's nowhere near as aggressive. Most slower paced customers go for the Adios Pro 3 or the SuperComp Elite v4.
@@yeet76231 Doctors of Running recently released an article saying the same thing. AP3 is more accessible to slow runners.
No one that’s running 10-11 min/miles has any business spending that much money on a super shoe. I’m all for the democratization of running tech, it’s objectively awesome, but that’s an absolutely insane choice of shoe.
Even as a 6:30ish/mile half marathoner I told myself Im not getting a super shoe until my mile times are in the 5 minute range. I think if your mile times are 10/11 minutes you should probably work on getting to a better BMI and slowly building weekly mileage volume comfortably. And there is nothing comfort about carbon plates. Just my two cents.
Loving the options for a full Adidas lineup. I have the SL2’s, and the Takumi Sen 10’s, and am looking forward to adding the Pro 4. Never thought of a fourth shoe, but will check out the Ultraboost 5’s, thanks!
Just a note: CPU outsoles are used by chinese brands since YEARS, no clue why western market didnt adope them earlier... they are insanely durable and - at least on road - very grippy
361° are making waves, so hopefully people will open up to Chinese brands.
I’d switch up the Strung for the Boston 12. And the SL for the Supernova Rise. The SL lack stability and doesn’t push you to go fast 😊
I found the SL2 much faster but definitely less stable than the Supernova. The fit of the SL2 needs work, they gave me the worst ankle bite of any shoe and tore up my Achilles, They should have copy pasted the Boston 12 fit because its perfect.
Boston 12 could easily replace the SL2 and Supernova Rise with 1 shoe. Boston 12, Adios Pro 3/4, and Prime X Strung 2 is the best marathon rotation.
@@Powellcon_2 I agree with you regarding the SL2 being faster (and fun) than the Supernova. But for higher volume with less injuries, the SN is my go to for 99% of users. I didn't experience the same issues with the SL2, but did with the B12. It's the only reason why I use it less and only keep it for long runs that exceed 15k (since I find that the SL top out at about that distance) and that will at some point require faster tempo. But man, is the fitting cumbersome. In addition, that's why I chose the Puma Elite 3 over the Pro3, because I've heard too many complaints about the upper. I will however purchase the Pro4 for my 2025 marathons and probably the upcoming Evo SL to replace the B12 :)
@@Powellcon_2 Again, for me the B12's upper is just to problematic. On most days, I don't need to spend 15min on getting the proper fitting and an energy rod. One just laces up the SN in 2 seconds and GO :)
I found the AP3 laces extremely difficult to adjust, as well as challenging to find the proper fit. Curious if you experienced similar challenges and if you found the same with the AP4?
Extremely well done video btw. Yeah it was long but I don’t feel like there was any fluff in there, and all of it was extremely interesting. Appreciate all the research and hard work 💪
there's a lot of similarity in the lacing, although I found it a bit easier to dial in the fit of the Adios Pro 4 because of the difference in eyelets near the toes. I think there is a bit of a difference in the grippiness of the other eyelets as well.
it overall doesn't make for a huge change, but it's an improvement
I'm very excited for this shoe, but a little disappointed they couldn't have it released to the general public prior to fall marathon season, I would have loved to race in it. Hopefully once January comes around it will be readily available and not a situation where we're still hoping to buy a pair for next fall marathon season!
I think it was a real miss, and I got the sense that it was a major breakthrough just to get enough for pros and reviewers to have the shoe in time for Berlin.
I'm hoping that with positive feedback from Berlin and a January release date, they will be able to do a good job of predicting how many units they need to meet demand for the Spring marathon season.
Wow what a shoe! Am psyched that the 60/40 (or whatever) rocker geometry of the EVO1 trickled down to the AP4 even if the rubber didn't. Lightstrike Pro 1.5 sounds exciting too. But since I usually wait until shoes go on sale before picking them up, looks like I'm going to be waiting a long long time to try these. Also I would have swapped the SL with the B12 in your lineup. Not just to annoy you; I really do think it's a decent DT that absolutely _can_ do tempo when you want to save wear and tear on your better tempo trainers.
it's a good shoe, but if the Boston weren't called the Boston, I'd like it a lot more.
Thanks for the video man. Looking forwards to the 4 because I love the 3, but I will say even though I'm fully in the 3 stripes, the way they're handling the release for these and the Evo Sl is really off putting
there's only one other brand that I can think of that will have people race in the shoe, several months prior to the launch date, and I don't like it when that brand does it either. and while I get (and was encouraging for months) the need to have a shoe update for the 50th Berlin Marathon that they are a sponsor of and is held in their home country, I wish the broader release would have followed.
like, imagine if it was like: (1) Berlin debut, (2) Chicago limited drop, (3) New York colorway, and then (4) January 2025 release.
I recognize that so many things need to line up in order to get inventory in the right places in the world at the right times and in the right quantities, but man that would have been an impressive rollout.
@kofuzi Absolutely. I can understand that coordinating inventory across multiple continents is tricky (not that they don't already have those systems in place but still), but I feel like with a company the size of Adidas they could have had at least a limited launch for Chicago and NYC as well as berlin. That could have offered at least a token gesture to the common folk that they aren't forgotten about (not to sound dramatic), and that they can have a chance to get it for their race, and not just the media folks. I am happy that most other brands are still, at least on what we see on this side, holding to the 1ish month embargo drop to release. Oh well, I will say in general I was disappointed with Adidas' presence at Chicago, I expected to at least be able to pick up a Takumi or AP3, I get that it's very much their competitors event but just having the Supernova and Ultraboost was disappointing, especially when folks like Puma brought things like the Fast RB, Asics had the full spectrum, etc
Material is “like money” is there more apt description. Yes with the price it’s like wearing money 😅 love your work! Hello from Melbourne Australia
thanks for the good information man
Thanks for watching!
I know @kofuzi you aren’t a big Nike supershoe fan, but the AF3 did me right in Chicago. I found it very comfortable and responsive. I’m also a huge adios pro 3 fan. Looking forward to the 4.
I think people can certainly enjoy all three shoes. they're just all very different experiences.
@@kofuzi I will say the AF2 made my ankle bleed because my socks were too low (as you alluded to in your video same issue could happen on 3)
Hey MK! Cool to see you in Miami 5k finish line. Ps, My right shoe popped (foam/rod?) during the Miami 5k race. Adidas is being good about sending me a new pair, but wonder if it was because the white version is more a prototype vs the new colorways? hmmmm It is a shame, because it is a really responsive /comfortable show. Anyways, keep up the great love of the sport good sir. Maybe see you at the Chicago 10k ... Czad
great to see you in Miami! glad Adidas is taking care of you
I ran London in the AP3 because i knew it was the reliable option, but all my PRs in distances below marathon are in the Alphafly1. I have my next big marathon in April and I’m so torn as to whether to get the AP4, the AF3 or maybe even the Sky Paris. The cost of these shoes makes getting it “wrong” a very tricky issue to navigate around!
Would like your input on 2 things:
1. With colder weather around the corner in North America, would you consider comparing the different shoes in winter conditions?
2. What’s your take on using the racer’s loop (heel lock)?
Evo sl video review when?
maybe in about a week or so?
@@kofuzi really looking forward to that.
@@kofuzi so excited!
29th the limited drop in Europe would be a nice date. Adios 9 would also be nice
@@Eirikkinserdal probably won't hit that date but maybe later in the week. (there are already reviews out there for the shoe, and I suspect that people who will be trying for the lottery for a chance to buy from the limited drop will be buying regardless of what I say)
Yup, I agree with the rough edges of the Alphafly 3. The Vaporfly 3 is much much better.
always love your reviews man!! specially the shoe rotation lineup and other shoe recommendation segments! these are really really helpful. I just noticed that on this video, you haven’t included the boston 12 in the lineup. Is Boston 12 still a great purchase this late 2024 for an overall shoe? I mean from daily trainers, workouts (intervals and fartleks) or even racing in the HM and Marathon distances?
Set a PB yesterday in a half with my adios pro 3.. Once they wear out ill grab these.
congratulations!
Sweet shoe, though it will be hard to improve upon the AP3, at least for me. But I can't wait to see! In the meantime, so PUMPED for the Evo SL. If its the shoe I think it will be, I doubt I'll be purchasing any other road shoe in 2025 aside from the AP4.
thanks for comparing the AF3 and die Adios Pro 4 ... two complete different shows ... but top race products.
thanks for watching!
Great review, but its only for my eyes only 😢 some people are just previlidged to wear, experience all thse wonderful technology first hand 😊 i can only Envy 😊 ❤
i agree with you; AP3 feels firm on long runs
I never would have considered it firm until I tried the Adios Pro 4
@@kofuzi nice; plan to buy AP4
King is back
The magic of the Alphafly 3 for me is how much it protects the legs Mile after mile - I finish the marathon and I feel I could run farther - 2PBs in 2 marathons with that shoe for me
No idea how protective the Adidas is, thoughts?
I enjoyed them for Berlin
I just got my AP3 earlier this January, looks like I know what to get next year once my AP3 reached its mileage!
have fun!
How would you compare the Adios Pro 4 ride and midsole feeling to the Deviate Nitro Elite 3 or the Metaspeed Edge Paris?
I think it is a good incremental evolution and I would like to get a pair some time but I am not in a rush as I have a variety of supershoes in my possession. I actually didn't race in AP3. I used my pair for a few longer long runs in a marathon cycle and they worked well for that purpose. However, I am contemplating running CIM in AP3. I am probably not going to be in a PR shape so I think it is a good opportunity to use my pair in a race.
I think the biggest plus of AP4 over v3 is the upper. Those that didn't get along with v3 upper will cherish this one.
good luck in CIM!
@@kofuzi Thanks!
The EVO felt more like next level of TS. It seems that now they moved that feeling to AP.
The Evo 1 felt like a super Takumi for me too
Whats better?
Adios pro 4 or Metaspeed sky paris?
frankly, it depends on the runner and what kind of experience you're looking for in your race option. I've raced a marathon in each of those shoes
The narrower forefoot and tighter fit than the AP3 have me a little worried. The AP3 isn't the easiest shoe to fit in and I'm worried about how cramped my toes will be in the AP4. Then again I went half a size down for my current pair so maybe I'd be fine in my usual size. We'll see I guess. I'm also looking forward to the Evo SL.
Thank you Mike.
thanks for stopping by!
@@kofuzi 🤩
The next level in developing a light, thin, yet durable outsole is to use graphene
Still considering your reviews to be amongst they best!
Thank you
Ive got give these Adidas shoes a try. Im looking for my first proper race shoe
hope you enjoy!
Have you gotten your hands on the evo SL yet?
I got a pair while I was in Berlin. I haven't been in a rush to test it yet as it doesn't release for a while (I know the Adios Pro 4 doesn't come out for a while either, but I wanted to talk about it while my experience racing with it was still fresh)
Good video! I'll buy one soon.
Hope you enjoy!
Like from 🇪🇸 Spain. Happy weekend.
i have vaporfly 3, adios pro 3, prime X strung and alphafly 3. Alphafly is by far the loudest! can't sneak up on anyone with and no worry of people not aware of you running behind towards them
I think the noise issue tends to get overstated. but yeah, they do indeed make noise
Great review! I was looking forward to this. I may get a pair + another pair for someone else. But one thing:
You don't have to disclose. Anything. Knowing you admire BITR, I will use them as a counterpoint. They disclose no shoe origins. Ever. Not the fact that they get every reviewed shoe for free. Usually several pair. (They only got a single Evo 1.)
They most certainly don't tell us who pays for their flamboyant trips all over the world. The Diadora trip to Italy? Just a little vacay. Sometimes a sponsor is mentioned for the flight/hotel/entry/pre- and post-race festivities for a marathon. NB for NYC one year. Could'nt tell if they plugged adidas during the Berlin trip. (I didn't listen to their long-form show about it.)
They don't even admit to being married. You have, of course discussed this with them, but we, the viewers are never told. And they certainly don't confess to how the hundreds of shoes they review get there.
Some say you HAVE TO disclose. Some say it is illegal NOT to. But Believe never has. Ever. And nothing has happened to them.
this is how I do it. how other people do it is up to them
Been waiting for you 😂
2:15 kofuzi got konfuzi
it's been a crazy week. I filmed this way past my bedtime, and talking on camera is a bit more difficult when I'm exhausted. a lot of my words are mumbled/slurred from being tired. I normally would reshoot, but I just didn't have the time.
@@kofuzi all good bro. It was an awesome detailed review regardless
Would you say that the fitting in the pro 4 is true to size or would recommend going up half a size
yes half a size, i go 9 to 9.5
The durability of the outsole is important, wouldn't mind an extra 10grams per shoe 🤔
you sure the current weight doesn't already reflect that preference?
I guess time will tell. The adios pro 3 is one of the most durable shoes. And if the 4 lives up to that it's all good 👍 unless the rods snap though 😅
Why not recommend the asics $250 class options as an alternative?
there are so many other options to discuss, but this video is already nearing 20 minutes. for a shoe review, it's already way too long for my liking
I’ve been an Altra fan forever… I rotated two pairs of escalantes for years. The 3rd gen wasn’t the best and I am maybe thinking of breaking up with Altra… tough decision especially after this video
😆 2:44 the rubbers they have been developing…. The rubber compound that they have been developing. I laughed to hard at this ahaha
it was unintentional and I was going to edit it out, but I thought I'd just leave it
@@kofuzi I’m glad you did it made for a good comedic moment even if unintentional
the rubbers are not tradition rubber，it use the new“CPU” casting polyurethane elastomer，it's more lighter and have a better grip than tradition rubber😊
Hi Ko! Should I order a half size smaller like I've done for the Adios Pro 3? Sorry if it was mentioned in the vid. I may have missed it.
I would go with the same size you used for the Adios Pro 3, since you have experience in that shoe. The fits are similar
Thank you for the fast reply :)
Waiting for Adizero Boston 13 to be release
Is it as good as the Adidas adizero adios pro 3 were for people with hallux rigidus/limitus?
I'm unfamiliar with the condition and even if I were, I'm unqualified to make that kind of recommendation. consult your PT/ortho
Hi Ko nice review as always. Just want to ask an opinion is it okay for people to buy shoes from 2 or 3 years back? Is the years will affect the performance of the shoes midsole even the shoes is brand new?
I haven't seen anyone do any sort of formal or even anecdotal research on this. so I'll speculate and here's my thinking:
on the one hand, shoes are made out of materials that I imagine won't biodegrade for several thousand years. on the other hand, having seen shoes in the Adidas Archive that were from the 80s and are literally crumbling apart despite being stored in a humidity and temperature controlled space, my gut reaction would be that it would depend on who you're getting the shoe from and how the shoe was stored over time.
so I would venture a guess of:
2 years old? probably fine. 5 years old? I'd probably stay away.
@@kofuzi thank you because right now in my place there is a lot of model that are from 2-4 years ago being heavily discounted. I myself just got a Endorphin Speed 2 from Saucony. So it just occur my mind to ask. Great opinion from you and thank you again
Great review. Just ordered the Pro 4. Hated the V3 as the lacing was terrible. The V1 was great and I still have a brand new bright yellow pair that I might break out at some point! Curious though about just having two pairs of shoes. I've run with the Prime X V1 and like those as a daily trainer. Might those (or I suppose the latest Strung version) be a good pairing with the Pro 4?
yes. it's not a pairing I'd necessarily recommend to a lot of people, but if you're liking Prime X v1 (the not strung version was my favorite of the Prime X's) as an everyday shoe , the Adios Pro 4 is a good choice for racing shoe
Would the Evo SL be a replacement for the Adizero SL in that lineup? And would that be superior to the normal SL in a marathon build due to being a better long run shoe?
I havne't run in my Evo SL yet. I'll get to it eventually, but probably not for another week or so. in the meantime, there are a lot of other reviewers who have already posted their thoughts. I'd recommend checking them out.
Hey Mike! thanks for your thoughts! How does is stack up feel wise against the Metaspeed Sky +/Paris? Im a bit of a fresher runner and usually love Asics shoes but when I tried the Metaspeed Sky + I found them a bit stiff & almost feeling like a positive drop with a mountain I have to climb in every step. So now im looking at the AP4 or the AF3 for my next Marathon.
@kofuzi As always excellent review, do you think it will be possible to make a comparison between the adizero adios pro 4 and the asics metaspeed sky paris? Will shoes be direct competitors?
They’re competitors in that they are flagship race product, but I think there are shoes that feel more similar. I’m working on a 100 mile update to the MetaSpeed Sky Paris. Some comparisons will be made there
hi Kofuzi... nice video, as usual. May I ask you a question, please? where do you get the best improvement: from Adios 3 to Adios 4 or from Alphafly 2 to Alphafly 3? thanks for your amazing review.
I am a bit unclear as to what this question is asking, so I will rephrase it.
I think this question is asking which shoe improved more from year to year. I think there is a bigger jump between Alphafly 2 to 3 rather than Adios Pro 3 to 4.
@kofuzi thanks for your kind answer.. you perfectly understood what I wanted to know. Happy 2025 for you! 😉
Adidas should have two running shoes: (1) The Adios Pro with its rods, elite foam, and thin outsole and (2) the regular Adios which would have the same foam, a thicker rubber outsole, and no rods.
there is a regular Adios
Hello Kofuzi! I’ve got really surprised with the comparison to the Alpha 3. Is it similar than the Endorphin Pro 4 or the Nitro Elite 3 or even MetaSpeed?
I’ve been doing the alternatives section in my review videos for a while now, and I typically choose the shoes that feel most similar or are trying to achieve the most similar feel.
This time, I thought I’d choose one that people would most want to hear about, despite the fact that they feel very different.
Which one is more stable? The pro 3 or the pro 4? Thank you
Having both I would say the Pro 4 is more stable
Would u compare AP4 with metaspeed Paris?
Yes. They are comparable. There are other shoes that have more similar sensations, and I’ve talked about those in this video. But as far as marathon racing and training goes, I really enjoy both the MetaSpeed Sky Paris and the Adios Pro 4
Very informative!
In comparison to the Takumi Sen 10, will the AP4 be a more effective race shoe for 5K to 10K events?
Considering the weight savings of the AP4 (similar weight to TS10), more bouncier foam and 60% rocker, although there's a big difference in terms of stack height.
Or will the AP4 be somehow "overkill" for 5K to 10K racing?
It will be great for 5k racing, but it is a bit more than what you need if your focus is 5k/10k racing
@@kofuzi This is noted, thank you!
Will we be finally getting the Alphafly 3 review?
you pretty much got everything I needed to say about it in this video (it's part of the reason why the video is so long)
True, but kind of a miss that you couldn't make solo video review for arguably the most famous race shoe to come out this year.
Did they fix the eyelet bite/lace bite above the big toe metatarsal area?
I’m afraid I can’t answer that. I did not experience that issue
Thanks for the insight of Alphafly3. I've never seen anyone say an issue with the material at the ankle before. It cuts one of my ankles, after running only 10km with long socks, a red mark remained on the ankle and now the shoes are in a box. I was thinking how to solve the problem, because the store did not take the shoes back. Maybe add another shoe sole. There were no problems with the first version or Vaporfly 1, 2, 3.
I had the Ekiden version of Vaporly 4% flyknit, and that one cut me up so bad. It started out as a white upper but didn't stay that way for long.
A longer/taller sock solved the issue for me.
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he is so good i can not sub
I went out to try the adios pro 4, while I didn't get to run in them, the narrowness was not for me. I feel like it wasn't stable enough for me and I could feel getting blisters in a long run. Too bad cuz they look really cool.
do you have experience with other Adidas shoes or perhaps with other racing shoes for reference?
@@kofuzi not the most runner savy and I stay in the 10k, half marathon range. Ive ran in pegasus and alphafly, hovrs from under armour and ultra boost. I just tried on the glycerin max and absolutely love them, but would like another shoe to go with em.
Great review! Did you ever release a review on the Alphafly 3?
I've discussed it over on IG. I don't plan on giving it a formal review here on UA-cam. and really, there's not a lot more I would say over what I have in this video. it's part of the reason why this video is so much longer than usual for my reviews. I feel like I hit all the main points I'd want to for a review of that shoe
Do you have pairing recommendations with the AP4? More of daily/long run?
I do. There is a section on it in this video, using Adidas shoes
Hey kofuzi, I can feel the rods through the shoe when I wear them which is quite annoying, like a stone is stuck under my foot
if it's new, see if you can return or exchange.
it's it's something that's happened after you've had it for a while, see if customer service can do something for you.
also, check if there isn't a literal rock in the cutout under the shoe.
@ yeah I felt it straight out the box as if something was sticking underneath the sole
What do you think about the Adistar BYD? Im planning on buying for my long runs and recovery run.
I can't remember if I was talking to someone a retailer or a colleague, but I vaguely recall hearing that the Adistar BYD was not picked up by any US retailers. I'm not sure it's actually available to me in the US.
@@kofuzi so sad to hear that, i would gladly hear a review from you if it was available there.
Hi! Like your videos! Question. You have a supinated foot stride. I overpronate. How relevante would you say your review of shoes would be for me since we have different gait?
Which shoe is better for 10k races in your opinion, adios pro 4 or alphafly 3?
Neither would be my first pick, but they’re both really great.
The two shoes are quite different though, so a lot of the analysis comes down to runner preference
I tried it in store and it feel the rubber was sticking on the floor… is this normal?
Don’t you want grippy race shoes?
I wonder if the ride similar to Paris Sky or Ceilo X1.
not really, but if I had to rank one of them as closer, I'd say Cielo X1
@@kofuzi that's nice. Thx
_Are you hearing a galloping horse or is it actually a couple of runners in Alphafly 3?_
What these like for a heel striker?
What about the Boston 12 when it comes to the rotation of which shoe to use?
It’s a daily trainer
Which shoe is more durable on the outsole, adios pro 2 or alphafly 3
I don’t know
plz tell me if you have to choose one shoe between adidos pro4 or Asics Superblast 2 ? thank you
this is a complex question because I use the two shoes differently. So, if I had zero shoes and I had to buy one shoe and only one shoe, I would not pick the racing shoe, I would pick the Superblast 2.
If I have many other shoes and am simply looking for one shoe to add next, it would really depend on what kind of shoe I want.
@@kofuzi Thank you for your reply , i really appreciate it 👍
New Saucony Elite 2, any pre-comments as a contender?
I have not tested it
Better than the Saucony elite v1?
Ah yeah. Both are really fun. There is a big difference in the width of the forefoot footprint (what you land on, not talking about toe boxes). That makes a big difference in how the shoe rides. I feel like the Adios Pro 4 is more nimble
Just picked up the Pro 4s. Torn between the two. Saucony elites feel a little quicker but also tear up my feet. (Maybe I need to size up whole size). The pros feel great and comfortable but I feel I have to work a little bit harder compared to the elites as far as turn over.
How do the Adios Pro 4 and the Alphafly 3 compare to the Saucony Endorphin Elite?
Question about feet sizing. I'm 8.5US on Ap3, should i get same size as well on AP 4? Thanks! 😊
I went with the same size for each model
Is this a use once and it’s done like the evo 1????
No, and the evo 1 isn’t exactly one and done