Firewire Mixer Multitrack Recording with Zed R16 and Ableton Live 10
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Here are just a few examples of audio routing in and out of the Zed R 16 using Ableton Live. This is my normal recording setup and really enjoy the flexibility provided by this mixer paired with Live.
Ok so sad update - seems the Zed works on OS X up until Mojave 10.14.6 please let me know if you have this running at anything past this release.
Thats not good as seriously thinking of investing in a ZEDr16 ..oh dear!
I was able to get it running in Mojave and am no longer able to recognize firewire device on Big Sur :( Have you managed to get this to work? Is there a solution, or do I need to downgrade?
@@karthikpoduval Mojave seems like the last MacOS that will support it.
I know, it’s gutting that Apple didn’t continue supporting FireWire. I use a Mackie 1220i which is great but on its way out now too much hum. So sat on High Sierra for the meanwhile. Are there any modern consoles that allow full usb multi tracking like the Signature mtk series? That sadly isn’t getting updated firmware wise from Soundcraft.
@@Tobes1100 sucks so bad. Right when I was excited to upgrade my 10 year old computer, I realize that it will cut support for the centerpiece of my studio: the R16. Originally I figured, “well maybe I can get some Focusrite interface with ADAT in and at least I’d still get the 18 channels in from my R16, but I’m hearing that you can’t even activate the DICE control to send/receive ADAT clock. I’m at such a loss!
love the zed r16 videos mate. there are hardly any decent ones around
hello mate, my name is Daniel and I use the ZED R16 Firewire desk too. But I got problem, Reciently I updated my mac to OSMojave. And my macBookPro doesn´t find any device. The way i conect my console to the computer is one firewire 800 to 400 to a firewire to thunderbolt adapter. then i use a thunderbolt 1 to usb-c adapter. It should be the correct way, but make know if im wrong.
I have tried to conect the desk to other macbook pro computer with High Sierra software and Firewire inputs . And I had the same problem.
I haved tried too many things but nothing worked. I use the drivers from the official allen heath page for High sierra... so i dont understand it.
Could you help me out? thank you and i will follow ur videos 'cause they are realley helpfull for me. See you soon buddy.
Thank you! I'm not an expert on troubleshooting these boards, but it sounds like your FireWire port might be faulty. I am running High Sierra with driver v4.3.1.47542 for Zed. I am connecting through a hub.
Hello Mate, thank you for your help
We know that you are not for troubleshooting but we can profit from your experience; right? Can you show us how you’ve connected your Mixer to you Macpro?
The Problem is how to connect a firewire 400 to a USB-C?
It seems to work for you.
Please show us your connection.
Thank you.
Senah
yeah my red 16 is working with my imac but not my 2012 mac book pro its frying my head ha . ive downloaded the softwarev etc tooo
Can you please explain to me exactly how I have to connect / complete the following set so that I can record the music on Ableton? ZED R16, TR-909, TR-808, TB-303, RME-800 (audio interface), Ableton (DAW)
Well, if you plug the mix outs from the 808+909 as well as mono out from 303 into the R16, you can just do it that way, use R16 as your interface and go. Or you could use the rme as interface, whatever your preference. If you're planning on using all of the individual outs at the same time, you will need to create an aggregate device (idk if this is possible on pc, but works on mac) and then use both at the same time, you will need to configure tracks into groups once recorded and ready to mix in analog domain using R16.. Nice gear you got there, Good luck.
How do you connect the zedr16 to a usbc port?
how do you go with recording and latency etc
Generally try to avoid it as much as possible, deal with each case as it comes up. there's not a "fix it and forget it" that I've found yet that works in all cases. It will depend on plugins being used and the routing in the daw. Printing tracks to audio and then making sure they are in time is useful. I havent't noticed any issues with latency and overdubbing, I multitrack hw + fx, seems to sit right with most plug-ins. I've used. I will confess that I'm not much of a stickler on latency issues, as I try to just make sure it sounds right with as little configuration as possible. When in doubt, print to audio, check it, make adjustments as needed.
awesome/.....at 16 steps ..i put out 'an all alerts' on your other post on the zed 16....i'm totally into the desk again......didn't use for a while.....there are two things i just don't get right now....the transport inside ableton from the zed 16 and the idea of aux to hardware for effects........if it were possible i'd totally dig some back n' forth.....on that ...the other is that i thought i was the only person in the world using ableton with zed 16....it's ''hard to believe that there's nobody out there....hard to believe i'm all alone...''.....but it's so great to know as of just watching this clip that i'm not alone......
I replied earlier, but it looks like my post vanished. To sum up, you should make sure Zed's transport is sending midi note.info and not mmc. Then set it as a control surface in Ableton (just above the midi I/o in prefs) and assign like you would any other controller. Hope that helps! 🙏
@@16Steps howdy n' heaps thanks for getting back...i'm clearly missing something and not able to get it ....this is primarily because i don't fully get ableton's midi routing...and so i'm not even sure i've got it happening.....but there is some limited midi control, but not the transport......if you have or could be bothered sending some screen shots of your set up......well let's say i'd be heaps grateful....though in meantime i'm still searching other avenues of trying to get it happening.....
@@dkkrecords I got you. stay tuned!✌️
16 Steps I’ll hang patient..... still digging what you have done on Zed baby...great help already
@@dkkrecords ua-cam.com/video/_d1G2nHpQx0/v-deo.html
Nice setup! Can you actually record each individual track from the R16 to Ableton, post EQ and post Fader level too?
You can record it post EQ, but not post fader on channels 1-16. you can record the LR mix (channels 17&18) post fader though.
@@16Steps just to clarify. you are able to mix audio from daw, back into daw, using eq, but pre the mixers fade, right?
@@whatfairis yup, that is correct.
@@16Steps thanks for reply. found one video where you demonstrating this. what do you think about the quality of te converters? have you compared them to something like universal audio og focusrite?
@@whatfairis I believe the input channels have a "better" better set of converters than the l/r mix does, and I think they are on par with anything in the same price range, ie uad, rme, focusrite etc.
Hey mate thanks for the tutorial here very helpful, subs up.
I can't seem to get my recorded audio to return into the r16 on the analog channels to utilise the eq and inserts, any tips to do that?
Hmmmm. Make sure that the channels on Live are assigned to the proper channels bon the board, and then make sure that the channels on the board are set to dig ret. I do recall running into a situation where it wouldn't properly route it this way, but I believe I just restarted the computer and the desk and it worked after that. Never have issues with it normally.
@@16Steps thank you very much buddy I'll try that out! I realise I didn't route them back into their corresponding channels but only to the master I'm sure this would work.
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This mixer looks pretty good. Do you know if it is possible to record a channel via adat using some peripheral (compressor, for example) in the insert of this channel? Thank you very much for the video.
I can't fully answer that question, but I do know that it provides the additional channels for ADAT i/o, so if not available immediately, I would guess that you could route it through your DAW out of and back into one of the 16 analog channels using insert there. Thank you for watching!
Is there a usb version that Will allow you to use usb rather that firewire. Mac is making firewire absolete
No. Thanks apple. 👎
Hi great vid. I have an m1 MacBook Pro with an RME digiface usb so have a tonne of adat i/o. Do you know of any reduction in functionality to using just the adat i/o?
A+H say this about it the adat: The I/O routing on the ZED-R16 is identical for the FireWire channels and the ADAT optical connection.
Thanks for any info on this.
All the best .:)
I'm not aware of any reduction of functionality.
Thanks for the reply buddy 🤟🤟
Hmm, please explain your routing map in more detail steps and also how did you get firewire 400 connected to USB-C? Also are there two firewire cables for IN and OUT? Thanks
Gladly! Can you clarify what you mean by "routing map"? Are you talking about audio routing? Ableton? I use a dock from OWC (Other World Computing) that has a FW800 port on it. The two FW ports on the Zed (and other FW devices) are typically used to daisy-chain multiple FW devices. Just a single FW cable will provide both IN and OUT connectivity between devices.
@Leandro Barros Sorry for the late reply, somehow missed this. here is the link to the hub I use:
eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/TB3DK13PSG/
Nive man wish i had the zed16 i got the zed10fx n kinda sux cant multitrack with it or anything has :(
I still use my old Mackie cr1604 for lots of stuff. Zed R is pricey, but coming down. those 10fx are cool bc they have some built in fx and portable!
Soundcraft do a 12 multitrack with USB returns ... not as cool as a Zed but works well!!!
I am trying to compare this to the new SSL Big SiX which costs about double I think. - but being a DJ this seems more my style. - Can you send any channel to your Timeline? - I have a feeling I am going to miss the compressor on the SiX but cant I just add an external compressor and use the FX, send-return? - but I guess you cant apply different amounts of lets say the Timeline - at the same time to diff channels? - You need to pick a channel thats using the Timeline?
The ssl is not really the same league of beast. Important things to consider for this a&h board are connectivity and support going forward. Yes you can put the timeline on a send and send different amounts of each channel to the timeline, then (method I use) track timeline on two mono channels panned LR (usually 15&16 for example) There are inserts on the mains for stereo buss compression. Analog routing is it's strength; connectivity (FireWire) and support from a&h are the trade off.
@@16Steps - thanks for the reply. - I still have a Mac Mini with Firewire, and I could get a second-hand trash-can Mac-Pro if it made sense. - I heard the manual is good :) - I think its the right choice for me, looks like a lot of fun. - You record the Timeline on its two stereo channels separately? - Is that so you can send different instruments on its two channels? - I think it will make a lot more sense when its on my desk. - thanks again.
@@brentgreeff1115 yes, I record it on two mono channels and print those to audio in the daw. It also allows you to send those signals to other outboard as well, compressors, reverbs etc. You have the option of using one of the 4 stereo channels to return to, but you those don't send separate tracks to the daw to record, those only record through the main mixbus (channels 17&18) into the daw.
@@16Steps - I think I understand. - most complex rig I have used is a DJM900 with RMX on a send-return, but the levels on the return were a nightmare to manage - I guess delay just works that way? - I would love a huge mixer with a much higher level of instrument control - 8 tracks just for drums - sounds amazing - but also a bit intimidating... I should just do it :) - its gonna be great.
@@brentgreeff1115 yes, this is a whole different ball of wax from that setup for sure. While you can adjust input and mix level on the timeline, having a mixer to be able to adjust the gain and level of the channels is very handy. Printing audio will also open up other possibilities for the recorded material as well. ✌🏼