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After my first night of doing heroic on the ptr, Death whisper is insane even with mostly bis ToGC. You can definitely feel heroic being balanced around having a few normal pieces before hopping in.
yeah LDW is insane. never killed her on the "ptr" my guild was doing this month. we did NM LDW last night to get to later bosses. already know what it feels like dying to her more than enough lol
Thanks Jerome. Great vid. I am always learning something new watching your vids. Didnt know trash farming will be a thing in ICC, I enjoyed doing that in Sunwell.
it's one of my favorite things, I like trash farming more than the actual raids in some cases. i know i'll be in there 24/7, maybe we should make groups and reserve the boes for profit (something I wish I did in sunwell)
@@NOHITJEROME yes sir I did see that and it's pretty amazing, still gonna be rocket booting in at the start, global sap, trap, disengage but after that trap launcher will be bis!
@@NOHITJEROME it's a bit of both imo, I know it's a thrill to rush in and trap and disengage but to toss them in will be a quality of life to help the player focus on the rotation and not miss those steady shots you can't cast while running in to drop the trap. Also not missing those shots and getting that trap in during cool downs is gonna get that DPS up for sure! Really gonna help those with issues of timing it all right.
I do have a feeling its tuned in such a way that at first its going to seem impossible as you constantly fall behind in doing mechanics - but with some upgrades it'll become manageable, and once we're approaching BiS its going to be quite a chill time. Except a few bosses, which are going to become "that boss" that everyone dreads doing despite farming it for months. Looking at you, General Vezax and lulling people to sleep before you transition and suddenly the actual fight begins, the tank loses threat and half the ranged get annihilated causing shadow crashes to wipe out the melee. And then doesn't drop the trinket yet again and everyone wonders why they go through the stress when we could just have had an early night and chilled. Seriously, Vezax vexes me. Having to pretend to be a caster as a Hunter, effectively relying on me to get off a good misdirect on the Animus (aka, transfer enough threat via a crit streak so one of the Warlocks doesn't snatch it away because they can't wait a few extra seconds because they just want the fight to be finally over) and losing all sense of time as the fight drags on, lose focus, get hit with a shadow crash... Side rant - why can't we speed up the fight? Drives me insane.
Yes that is definitely the design. The design from what I see was specifically to force you to raid a long time and get upgrades to make the nearly impossible fights much easier. It's not a bad design structure, enjoyable if you are willing to put in hours on progrsesion. Though you are right that bosses like Putricide and LK will be frustrating for a very long time. Nothing at the level of vezax though. Vezax should have been changed to allow you to skip to HM somehow by just getting vezax to 1% or something. I still kill him 3x per week and am annoyed 3x per week
Thanks Cyberrevolution, hope you learned some things. Have you tried the PTR yet? It's extremely hard, but it makes sense since we haven't hit the 251 min (recommended) ilvl yet
Speedrunning is going to be intense because it’s no buff. I think GDKPs will be okay once the 30% buff is in. I think a lot of guilds will struggle to get a full heroic 0% clear before the buff rolls in.
speedrunning with no buff will be a lot closer to sunwell where you could actually wipe and lose your entire run. gdkps will be chill because they will just NM all the hard fights and people will put up with it. they do already for togc
yes and with voa next phase both the 10 and 25 man will be insane. plus more titan rune rewards. they are really going to make catching up easier. AND the new icecrown dungeons too@@AnimeFan4815
I get that, I never did ptrs myself. this raid is long and rough enough that I needed to get some practice in though. it's a mess (a good mess)@@statue76
Hello Jerome, I would like to know if you could help me what to do? I am a Holy paladin with 5.4 GS, but I am convinced to make a change to the roll and become a DPS with the same paladin, what would be the best way to do it? , farming all heroic dungeons for essences right?
You only need 2 items from essences. The leather belt and dark matter. It should be pretty obvious what you do. Keep playing holy till you get dps pieces? If you're raiding in a guild then take dps gear nobody needs anymore. If you're in an SR then SR dps gear and roll for OS. If you're in a gdkp buy dps gear?
gdkp is the best way if you can get into them, do you have GDKPs on your server? heal as hpal and buy the gear. you are extremely desirable for raids and can buy the pieces with the gold
Getting funneled the extra gear is 100% doable, so many extra pieces get thrown away nowadays. Also 10man runs where you vacuum up the extra loot. Also gdkps, hpal is the most desirable gdkp spec or close to it.@@Rikkoisbest
@@NOHITJEROMEI would put Blood Queen above LDW on heroic personally. I never found LDW very difficult and she’s the 2nd boss in the raid, so repetition will make it easy.
We sent a LOT of pulls on deathwhisper and saurfang heroic to get the kills. By no shot is it free and your note about ilvl of the people when they hit heroic back in the day after running weeks of normal mode makes a lot of sense as to why we felt like it was a massive hurdle to get over damage wise for them to go down with the Togc gear we have
Not hard enough. It will be cleared in a few weeks. Then a few weeks later speed runs and gdkps will just fucking ruin the content like they all usually do.
I agree, so far LK hasn't died on PTR but it will happen even in 242 ilvl gear. #1 guild speedrun was 242 and it should be possible. Early interviews stated 251 was recommended minimum which nobody has yet, but I think with insane gameplay they can do it below
@@NOHITJEROME People will find a way to do it before 251. The contents " fun " aspect isnt there anymore. Its all been min maxxed out. I parsed well on my hunter through tbc and up to ulduar in wrath. But ive stopped playing. Even in casual guilds.... its always min max culture. IMO classic is a waste of time because of what the private server mains and content creators have made wow classic into what it is now. People may say im a " retail andy "..... sure go ahead atleast there I am able to prog on new stuff and actually enjoy a week to week improvement instead of doing content that will just be ran again by GDKP guilds and speed runners that wont invite you on the merit of.. 1. not having a big enough Purse to run with them. OR 2. Not being a top 95% player to again run with their speed run groups. Its a sad state classic is in and I wont ever think it will change. Even if Cata classic comes out. That again will also be ran into the ground by either blizzard or the shit community that has already ruined classic.
@@NOHITJEROME However in saying all that i did. I do appreciate you content. I personally dont find it use full but others do. So keep it up and wish you the best for the future.
I get that, I tried to add in two pieces of information that few people knew so you would still get value. The big ones in this video were: 1) VoA farm 10/25 man are both good since you get tier 10 from both. 2) 251 min recommended ilvl for ICC HM. (from old research, this was the actual number)@@mephistos3285
Hey, You! Thank you so much for watching!! If you have any questions about anything else wow-related, I'm live every day at 6 pm EST on my twitch channel www.twitch.tv/nohitjerome
After my first night of doing heroic on the ptr, Death whisper is insane even with mostly bis ToGC. You can definitely feel heroic being balanced around having a few normal pieces before hopping in.
yeah LDW is insane. never killed her on the "ptr" my guild was doing this month. we did NM LDW last night to get to later bosses. already know what it feels like dying to her more than enough lol
Your content is always high quality. It is much appreciated!
thanks lilrigatoni, have you managed to get into ICC ptr yet?
Your content is very watchable, informative, and engaging. It makes me want to watch more. Really good job NOHITJEROME
Thanks very much Hollix. That means a great deal to me. I hope you have an excellent week.
you aswell! pray for Death's Choice lol@@NOHITJEROME
i believe, you will get it@@hollix7155
Thanks Jerome. Great vid. I am always learning something new watching your vids. Didnt know trash farming will be a thing in ICC, I enjoyed doing that in Sunwell.
it's one of my favorite things, I like trash farming more than the actual raids in some cases. i know i'll be in there 24/7, maybe we should make groups and reserve the boes for profit (something I wish I did in sunwell)
Another awesome vid! Ty again. My DK is just at 5200gs due to your leveling guide and now I'm ready for this with my hunter also 🙏🏼
Hunter just got an insane buff, did you see it? New trap launcher ability is amazing. Wish they added it months ago
@@NOHITJEROME yes sir I did see that and it's pretty amazing, still gonna be rocket booting in at the start, global sap, trap, disengage but after that trap launcher will be bis!
do you feel like it's more of a quality of life change or actually a significant dps increase?@@Joe-f8t9h
@@NOHITJEROME it's a bit of both imo, I know it's a thrill to rush in and trap and disengage but to toss them in will be a quality of life to help the player focus on the rotation and not miss those steady shots you can't cast while running in to drop the trap. Also not missing those shots and getting that trap in during cool downs is gonna get that DPS up for sure! Really gonna help those with issues of timing it all right.
love the change, seems like blizzard has a hunter enjoyer on the staff. same with the wild growth change, I like the changes a lot.@@Joe-f8t9h
I do have a feeling its tuned in such a way that at first its going to seem impossible as you constantly fall behind in doing mechanics - but with some upgrades it'll become manageable, and once we're approaching BiS its going to be quite a chill time.
Except a few bosses, which are going to become "that boss" that everyone dreads doing despite farming it for months. Looking at you, General Vezax and lulling people to sleep before you transition and suddenly the actual fight begins, the tank loses threat and half the ranged get annihilated causing shadow crashes to wipe out the melee. And then doesn't drop the trinket yet again and everyone wonders why they go through the stress when we could just have had an early night and chilled.
Seriously, Vezax vexes me. Having to pretend to be a caster as a Hunter, effectively relying on me to get off a good misdirect on the Animus (aka, transfer enough threat via a crit streak so one of the Warlocks doesn't snatch it away because they can't wait a few extra seconds because they just want the fight to be finally over) and losing all sense of time as the fight drags on, lose focus, get hit with a shadow crash...
Side rant - why can't we speed up the fight? Drives me insane.
Yes that is definitely the design. The design from what I see was specifically to force you to raid a long time and get upgrades to make the nearly impossible fights much easier. It's not a bad design structure, enjoyable if you are willing to put in hours on progrsesion. Though you are right that bosses like Putricide and LK will be frustrating for a very long time. Nothing at the level of vezax though. Vezax should have been changed to allow you to skip to HM somehow by just getting vezax to 1% or something. I still kill him 3x per week and am annoyed 3x per week
Another cool informative video, Jerome! Good things man!
Thanks Cyberrevolution, hope you learned some things. Have you tried the PTR yet? It's extremely hard, but it makes sense since we haven't hit the 251 min (recommended) ilvl yet
Sure did learn! No, haven't tried it yet, but can't wait for it! P4 will be a blast for sure! @@NOHITJEROME
Speedrunning is going to be intense because it’s no buff. I think GDKPs will be okay once the 30% buff is in. I think a lot of guilds will struggle to get a full heroic 0% clear before the buff rolls in.
speedrunning with no buff will be a lot closer to sunwell where you could actually wipe and lose your entire run. gdkps will be chill because they will just NM all the hard fights and people will put up with it. they do already for togc
I am so far behind. Thnx for your effort in helping all us late kids!
absolutely statue, will you be doing any PTR testing? I did some last night and it's a VERY fun raid
@@NOHITJEROME I haven’t PTR anything in like 10 years. Career got its claws in me, lol.
tbh I think its easy to catch up, can get 4k gs by doing some winterspring and buying pvp gear, then farming raids and beta dungeons for easy upgrades
yes and with voa next phase both the 10 and 25 man will be insane. plus more titan rune rewards. they are really going to make catching up easier. AND the new icecrown dungeons too@@AnimeFan4815
I get that, I never did ptrs myself. this raid is long and rough enough that I needed to get some practice in though. it's a mess (a good mess)@@statue76
ICC Hype!
extremely hyped, have you hit the ptr yet?
@@NOHITJEROME I have! Sadly RDF isn't ready yet but I did enjoy the new collections tab.
collections tab is great, now I want to see it in classic vanilla as well@@propov1802
Hello Jerome, I would like to know if you could help me what to do? I am a Holy paladin with 5.4 GS, but I am convinced to make a change to the roll and become a DPS with the same paladin, what would be the best way to do it? , farming all heroic dungeons for essences right?
You only need 2 items from essences. The leather belt and dark matter. It should be pretty obvious what you do. Keep playing holy till you get dps pieces? If you're raiding in a guild then take dps gear nobody needs anymore. If you're in an SR then SR dps gear and roll for OS. If you're in a gdkp buy dps gear?
Lots of paladins changing to ret when there is a legendary 2h
gdkp is the best way if you can get into them, do you have GDKPs on your server? heal as hpal and buy the gear. you are extremely desirable for raids and can buy the pieces with the gold
Getting funneled the extra gear is 100% doable, so many extra pieces get thrown away nowadays. Also 10man runs where you vacuum up the extra loot. Also gdkps, hpal is the most desirable gdkp spec or close to it.@@Rikkoisbest
yes our guild is allowing people to respec if they want to and chase shadowmourne. a thoughtful gesture, motivates a lot of people@@3kittenlover
hey can you make a bosses difficulty list ?
would love to, can't guarantee a video but it sounds fun. feels like lk/putricide/ldw/sindragosa top 4 at least
@@NOHITJEROMEI would put Blood Queen above LDW on heroic personally. I never found LDW very difficult and she’s the 2nd boss in the raid, so repetition will make it easy.
blood queen destroyed us on PTR so far. extremely mechanics heavy, very frustrating runback too@@brandonkruse6412
no 50% xp buff im so sad
should be soon, hopefully a week or two from now
Y’all gunna have a tough time on heroic….
did NM and was having a tough time on lanathel. it's just a very unforgiving raid mechanically, but I love it
We sent a LOT of pulls on deathwhisper and saurfang heroic to get the kills. By no shot is it free and your note about ilvl of the people when they hit heroic back in the day after running weeks of normal mode makes a lot of sense as to why we felt like it was a massive hurdle to get over damage wise for them to go down with the Togc gear we have
yeah the old raids had full sets of 264+ ilvl gear by comparison to your (likely) 240-245 at the moment. @@Whydyoudothis
Little update after today … we skipped putricide because it’s bugged but the prince council fight was quite quite tough
Blood queen straight forward as long as bites are right
ICC is ez, thats 394959595 old content ;-)
it's not easy for most of us, I don't believe LK has been killed on ptr yet. very hard in toc gear, almost impossible (but technically possible)
Not hard enough. It will be cleared in a few weeks. Then a few weeks later speed runs and gdkps will just fucking ruin the content like they all usually do.
I agree, so far LK hasn't died on PTR but it will happen even in 242 ilvl gear. #1 guild speedrun was 242 and it should be possible. Early interviews stated 251 was recommended minimum which nobody has yet, but I think with insane gameplay they can do it below
@@NOHITJEROME People will find a way to do it before 251. The contents " fun " aspect isnt there anymore. Its all been min maxxed out.
I parsed well on my hunter through tbc and up to ulduar in wrath. But ive stopped playing. Even in casual guilds.... its always min max culture. IMO classic is a waste of time because of what the private server mains and content creators have made wow classic into what it is now.
People may say im a " retail andy "..... sure go ahead atleast there I am able to prog on new stuff and actually enjoy a week to week improvement instead of doing content that will just be ran again by GDKP guilds and speed runners that wont invite you on the merit of..
1. not having a big enough Purse to run with them. OR
2. Not being a top 95% player to again run with their speed run groups.
Its a sad state classic is in and I wont ever think it will change. Even if Cata classic comes out. That again will also be ran into the ground by either blizzard or the shit community that has already ruined classic.
@@NOHITJEROME However in saying all that i did. I do appreciate you content. I personally dont find it use full but others do. So keep it up and wish you the best for the future.
I get that, I tried to add in two pieces of information that few people knew so you would still get value. The big ones in this video were: 1) VoA farm 10/25 man are both good since you get tier 10 from both. 2) 251 min recommended ilvl for ICC HM. (from old research, this was the actual number)@@mephistos3285