Yes one thing else Tire chains or cables on the tires, I use them to get out in my truck. Jim is spot on about recovery and a winch is a lot of weight and hardly ever gets used. Gear I consider important when hunting a tow strap, shackle, 2 soft shackles, Max Trax, military folding shovel, couple 6x6 2inch boards. And if elk hunting Colorado up high sand shovel, Chainsaw, when a 2-3 foot tree falls across the road. Ran full size trucks for 30 plus years and yes always get a locking rear differential, Today I drive a 2022 4Runner TRD Pro so I carry less recovery gear, because of space and 4Runner is a more capable than full size truck. Great show Men.
24:10 Another note about how lame Traction Control can be -- in most passenger cars and crossovers, it deals with a slipping wheel by cutting engine power. It's mostly designed to prevent loss of control when moving, like hitting black ice and starting to fishtail. The systems are cheaper than brake actuated traction aids, and unfortunately can make off road recovery harder. If I'm stuck in mud, or deep snow where you want your tires to dig, it's best to turn traction control off.
Good point! Most traction control systems are indeed intended for mall crawlers. The few that are off-road oriented can be somewhat helpful, but nothing quite matches lockers! - Jimmy
If you have a winch that goes in a receiver you run the wiring at installation with quick connect plugs. So you just put the winch in the receiver and plug in the wires
Have gone that route before - it’s the best way to do it no doubt. I just didn’t like having all that space taken up in the back of my truck when it wasn’t in use, nor did I enjoy humping 125 pounds around the truck on ice/snow/mud/in a ditch/in the rain/etc. lol - Jimmy
@VortexNation you just leave it in the front receiver and put a locking pin in it. With quick connect plugs on both ends you have it made. Yes you may have to lug it 20 feet but that would be better than possibly waiting hours for help the hitch receiver can handle the pressure even to the side. When you pull a trailer you're not always straight you have to make turns which is putting pressure to the side. Hitches are bolted to the frame the same as the winch would be bolted to the frame.
@@C0wboyman I’ll agree with you that the minor inconvenience of moving a winch is far better than being stranded for hours or more! Still going to have to disagree about the setup as a whole, though. Trailer hitches just aren’t made for the same type of pulling force a winch exerts when talking specifically about “Un-stucking” a vehicle for self-recovery or maybe even recovery of other vehicles depending on how stuck they are. A hitch may have a rating on it for a certain weight capacity, but that’s a rolling load on the road with a trailer on wheels and inflated tires. Side forces from turning are minimal in that case - far less than you would encounter trying to pull a stuck truck out of a ditch, bog, etc. When a vehicle is stuck, you often need far far more pulling force than the weight of the vehicle alone which may exceed even a hitch’s rated towing capacity. Then there’s mounting - the hitch itself may be mounted directly to the frame, yes, but the winch you’re using is only attached to the hitch by one hitch pin in shear. If that hitch pin goes, everything goes. If you had a winch bumper, it would be attached via 4 bolts to a heavy duty winch plate that is then attached to the frame. It’s much stronger and there’s a lot more in the way of fail safes before you send a winch or something else flying. Again, depending on how stuck the vehicle in question is, this might not be a big deal, or it could mean the difference between catastrophic failure or not. Considering the fact that you can use a permanent front mounted winch to pull anything in front of you, or, with the clever use of some snatch blocks and a winch extension, you can even pull yourself backward out of an obstacle, that’s where I’m more inclined to just do the front permanent mount. It also improves approach/departure angles when wheeling amongst other things. I’m sure plenty of people out there have hitch mounted winches that work just fine for what they do - I’d happily use one for jobs around a farm or just reversing people out of a snow bank in my neighborhood during the winter, but for anything really stuck, I wouldn’t do it.
@@C0wboyman Fair enough! As long as your setup works for you then I reckon there’s no sense in changing it. Thanks for the input and for tuning into the podcast - we really appreciate it! See you round
Can you guys do an episode on legacy firearms? Ones that will be passed down from generation to generation. Maybe some good options in the $800 - $2000 range. You can talk about some you've received or are in the family. I have a few quality but budget rifles that I plan to pass on, but I'm looking to make a jump up in for something a little nicer to have. Love the podcast, from Hawai'i. BTW, just took my 10 yr old son hunting for the first time, we got a Spanish goat, fantastic experience.
If you don't have a drop cloth, blanket, or heavy jacket to throw over your winch lead you should. If that lead breaks it's coming through the windshield if you don't have something on it.
Code scanner has saved me more than once. Last week 1000 mile trip 400 miles in check engine light truck derated… just a crank sensor. Called parts stores until we found one in stock changed it in a parking lot and back on the road
Couldn’t agree more - Without a code scanner that check engine light is a big ominous scary mystery that could be catastrophe or just a bum sensor and THAT could be the difference between missing your whole hunt or a quick trip to the parts store and no change in plans!
Almost always overlooked is a full size shovel for getting un-stuck. Also, I carry several cutoff lumber beams. They allow me to have a good base for a jack in soft dirt or sand. They can be used to chok tires, and I use them to level my truck when I sleep in the back.
The new badlands winchs from harbor freight are acctually exelent winchs HF has realy stepped up there game with alot of there tools and esspecially the badlands offdoad gear Now adays allways go for the soft synthetic winch lines get away from any metal in your winch setup use soft shackles instead of bow shackles when able freedom winch lines and yankum ropes are awsome brands. And allewaysnopen your hood infront of you when your winching or even just getting pulled out if your using a chain
I love that jimmy recognise is knowlage limitations, recognising you don't know much often happens when you start being knowlagable in somthing, i'm allways suspicious of "know it all" people
Mark and I are pretty bad when it comes to organization and lists. We should have come up with one! Sorry bout that. The list can be pretty extensive depending on how crazy you want to get with your off-road wheeling and subsequent recovery kit. Was there anything you were particularly curious about or just the whole enchilada?
Humvees have these attachments that get mounted behind 4 lug nuts. Then you run you rope around something and attach the ends of the rope to these attachments. The tires pull you out by wrapping the rope around the attachments.
The best way to get out of the deep shit is to have the common sense to stay out of there. Our grandpas got around outdoors in 2 wheel drive/6 cylinder/4 speed pickups just fine.
Well if you’re going winch truck racing then undoubtedly you’re going to want a winch and a purpose-built rig. We called out at the beginning of this episode that this was geared more toward hunters who may find themselves in some moderate off-road or low/no traction situations. Those winchers pretty much go out with the intention of getting stuck in some seriously mucky stuff - most hunters would rather spend as much time hunting as possible, so the best medicine is avoiding getting stuck at all and having the means to get out of simpler situations quickly. Hence the recommendation for good tires, traction boards, a shovel, and lockers. - Jimmy
@@VortexNation all im sayin is a winch will get you out of trouble 99% more places than lockers. Lockers will just get you to places youll need to winch out off lol. Ive watched 1000 4wd videos and they always have to winch! Love you guys
@@dodgyass11 Hey I won’t ever discourage anyone from getting a winch, I don’t feel it’s always 100% necessary for every person given their application, and I feel it’s incredibly important to know how to actually use a winch if you get one, but by all means, they’re awesome tools!
I talked about that a bit in the episode! Lol the GoTreads are indeed brand new - just got them to replace my last set which was lent out and is now missing. The Bubba Rope I got after numerous pulls with another tow strap that bit the dust and I haven’t gotten a chance to use it yet! I like to have a kit like this in every vehicle I drive in the winter around here in WI and I just added a new-to-me 1997 Toyota 4Runner to the stable so the tool kits and such I just got to put in that car. Every time I put another kit together I re-think everything that goes in it, so this was my latest iteration and it made most sense to use for demonstration purposes. Thanks for tuning in! - Jimmy
@@VortexNation Good Morning Jimmy, thanks for the feedback. I was not able to listen all the way through but will do so today. Greetings from Germany. T PS. I finally got my Fury AB and enjoy it more every time I use it.
@@VortexNation finished listening. Good Info. Have about 1/3 of your stuff on board my twd van. Run it with nobby AT tires and get around my hunting lease fine. Used a spare wheel dug in laying flatt about a foot deep as an anker point with a long line to keep the angle small. Worked well for me then. For creature comforts i keep a gasoline stove and water with instant coffee and soup on board. Podcast wish/request. Shooting High power Air Rifles like the FX series in combination with the Fury Laser Rangefinding Binos. 👋🏻 T
They definitely don’t hold a candle to a full size shovel. If you’ve got a truck with a good sized bed then there’s your answer. I drive an SUV in the winter and haul dogs/kid and kid stuff/random car parts/etc and full sized shovels have a tendency to take up an annoying amount of space. I also don’t love mounting loads of stuff to the outside of the car either. The little shovel is a compromise. - Jimmy
Thanks for the info! Would definitely listen to Jim doing a dedicated car podcast show
Yes one thing else Tire chains or cables on the tires, I use them to get out in my truck. Jim is spot on about recovery and a winch is a lot of weight and hardly ever gets used. Gear I consider important when hunting a tow strap, shackle, 2 soft shackles, Max Trax, military folding shovel, couple 6x6 2inch boards. And if elk hunting Colorado up high sand shovel, Chainsaw, when a 2-3 foot tree falls across the road. Ran full size trucks for 30 plus years and yes always get a locking rear differential, Today I drive a 2022 4Runner TRD Pro so I carry less recovery gear, because of space and 4Runner is a more capable than full size truck. Great show Men.
24:10 Another note about how lame Traction Control can be -- in most passenger cars and crossovers, it deals with a slipping wheel by cutting engine power. It's mostly designed to prevent loss of control when moving, like hitting black ice and starting to fishtail. The systems are cheaper than brake actuated traction aids, and unfortunately can make off road recovery harder. If I'm stuck in mud, or deep snow where you want your tires to dig, it's best to turn traction control off.
Good point! Most traction control systems are indeed intended for mall crawlers. The few that are off-road oriented can be somewhat helpful, but nothing quite matches lockers! - Jimmy
If you have a winch that goes in a receiver you run the wiring at installation with quick connect plugs. So you just put the winch in the receiver and plug in the wires
Have gone that route before - it’s the best way to do it no doubt. I just didn’t like having all that space taken up in the back of my truck when it wasn’t in use, nor did I enjoy humping 125 pounds around the truck on ice/snow/mud/in a ditch/in the rain/etc. lol - Jimmy
@VortexNation you just leave it in the front receiver and put a locking pin in it. With quick connect plugs on both ends you have it made. Yes you may have to lug it 20 feet but that would be better than possibly waiting hours for help the hitch receiver can handle the pressure even to the side. When you pull a trailer you're not always straight you have to make turns which is putting pressure to the side. Hitches are bolted to the frame the same as the winch would be bolted to the frame.
@@C0wboyman I’ll agree with you that the minor inconvenience of moving a winch is far better than being stranded for hours or more! Still going to have to disagree about the setup as a whole, though. Trailer hitches just aren’t made for the same type of pulling force a winch exerts when talking specifically about “Un-stucking” a vehicle for self-recovery or maybe even recovery of other vehicles depending on how stuck they are. A hitch may have a rating on it for a certain weight capacity, but that’s a rolling load on the road with a trailer on wheels and inflated tires. Side forces from turning are minimal in that case - far less than you would encounter trying to pull a stuck truck out of a ditch, bog, etc. When a vehicle is stuck, you often need far far more pulling force than the weight of the vehicle alone which may exceed even a hitch’s rated towing capacity. Then there’s mounting - the hitch itself may be mounted directly to the frame, yes, but the winch you’re using is only attached to the hitch by one hitch pin in shear. If that hitch pin goes, everything goes. If you had a winch bumper, it would be attached via 4 bolts to a heavy duty winch plate that is then attached to the frame. It’s much stronger and there’s a lot more in the way of fail safes before you send a winch or something else flying. Again, depending on how stuck the vehicle in question is, this might not be a big deal, or it could mean the difference between catastrophic failure or not. Considering the fact that you can use a permanent front mounted winch to pull anything in front of you, or, with the clever use of some snatch blocks and a winch extension, you can even pull yourself backward out of an obstacle, that’s where I’m more inclined to just do the front permanent mount. It also improves approach/departure angles when wheeling amongst other things. I’m sure plenty of people out there have hitch mounted winches that work just fine for what they do - I’d happily use one for jobs around a farm or just reversing people out of a snow bank in my neighborhood during the winter, but for anything really stuck, I wouldn’t do it.
@VortexNation I guess we will agree to disagree. Enjoy your show keep up the great . Looking forward to the next one
@@C0wboyman Fair enough! As long as your setup works for you then I reckon there’s no sense in changing it. Thanks for the input and for tuning into the podcast - we really appreciate it! See you round
Can you guys do an episode on legacy firearms? Ones that will be passed down from generation to generation. Maybe some good options in the $800 - $2000 range. You can talk about some you've received or are in the family. I have a few quality but budget rifles that I plan to pass on, but I'm looking to make a jump up in for something a little nicer to have. Love the podcast, from Hawai'i. BTW, just took my 10 yr old son hunting for the first time, we got a Spanish goat, fantastic experience.
If you don't have a drop cloth, blanket, or heavy jacket to throw over your winch lead you should. If that lead breaks it's coming through the windshield if you don't have something on it.
Code scanner has saved me more than once. Last week 1000 mile trip 400 miles in check engine light truck derated… just a crank sensor. Called parts stores until we found one in stock changed it in a parking lot and back on the road
Couldn’t agree more - Without a code scanner that check engine light is a big ominous scary mystery that could be catastrophe or just a bum sensor and THAT could be the difference between missing your whole hunt or a quick trip to the parts store and no change in plans!
Solid episode. Very useful and welcome information.
Carry a 1 inch, 30’ Yankum rope with a couple 1/2” soft shackles… yank out city slickers with their mall crawlers all the time.
Almost always overlooked is a full size shovel for getting un-stuck. Also, I carry several cutoff lumber beams. They allow me to have a good base for a jack in soft dirt or sand. They can be used to chok tires, and I use them to level my truck when I sleep in the back.
9.3x62, 9.3x64, 9.3x57, 9.3x66 sako...and any other 9.3 cartrages... plus a segment on African dg and pg rounds like nitro Express...please
I have used a rachet strap to repair a tierod end.
Heck yes! Ratchet straps have a wonderful way of saving the day quite often
The International LT I have been driving is great in the slick stuff.
The new badlands winchs from harbor freight are acctually exelent winchs HF has realy stepped up there game with alot of there tools and esspecially the badlands offdoad gear
Now adays allways go for the soft synthetic winch lines get away from any metal in your winch setup use soft shackles instead of bow shackles when able freedom winch lines and yankum ropes are awsome brands.
And allewaysnopen your hood infront of you when your winching or even just getting pulled out if your using a chain
I love that jimmy recognise is knowlage limitations, recognising you don't know much often happens when you start being knowlagable in somthing, i'm allways suspicious of "know it all" people
Did you make a list of the items?
Mark and I are pretty bad when it comes to organization and lists. We should have come up with one! Sorry bout that. The list can be pretty extensive depending on how crazy you want to get with your off-road wheeling and subsequent recovery kit. Was there anything you were particularly curious about or just the whole enchilada?
I had no idea something like the Element Fire Extinguisher existed and I will totally add that to all of our daily use vehicles.
Daniel Kistler= Best Aussie 4WD UA-camr
Great segment.
Love you Mark but it’s not the same without Jim. Great to have you both back!
Absolutely, and I feel we are one musketeer down when Ryan is not on as well.
Humvees have these attachments that get mounted behind 4 lug nuts. Then you run you rope around something and attach the ends of the rope to these attachments. The tires pull you out by wrapping the rope around the attachments.
Those are pretty slick! Have seen them in action only in videos before. Would love to play with something like that in real life some time - Jimmy
The best way to get out of the deep shit is to have the common sense to stay out of there. Our grandpas got around outdoors in 2 wheel drive/6 cylinder/4 speed pickups just fine.
winch > lockers ALL DAY. its called "Winch Truck Racing for a reason..
Well if you’re going winch truck racing then undoubtedly you’re going to want a winch and a purpose-built rig. We called out at the beginning of this episode that this was geared more toward hunters who may find themselves in some moderate off-road or low/no traction situations. Those winchers pretty much go out with the intention of getting stuck in some seriously mucky stuff - most hunters would rather spend as much time hunting as possible, so the best medicine is avoiding getting stuck at all and having the means to get out of simpler situations quickly. Hence the recommendation for good tires, traction boards, a shovel, and lockers. - Jimmy
@@VortexNation all im sayin is a winch will get you out of trouble 99% more places than lockers. Lockers will just get you to places youll need to winch out off lol. Ive watched 1000 4wd videos and they always have to winch! Love you guys
@@dodgyass11 Hey I won’t ever discourage anyone from getting a winch, I don’t feel it’s always 100% necessary for every person given their application, and I feel it’s incredibly important to know how to actually use a winch if you get one, but by all means, they’re awesome tools!
90% of 4wd vehicles I see dont even have recovery points. they have tie down points that arent rated and kill people.
I think your set would look better if the table legs were black. Idk why it bothers me
Good info, but all the stuff on the table looks so brand new and unused.
I talked about that a bit in the episode! Lol the GoTreads are indeed brand new - just got them to replace my last set which was lent out and is now missing. The Bubba Rope I got after numerous pulls with another tow strap that bit the dust and I haven’t gotten a chance to use it yet! I like to have a kit like this in every vehicle I drive in the winter around here in WI and I just added a new-to-me 1997 Toyota 4Runner to the stable so the tool kits and such I just got to put in that car. Every time I put another kit together I re-think everything that goes in it, so this was my latest iteration and it made most sense to use for demonstration purposes. Thanks for tuning in! - Jimmy
@@VortexNation Good Morning Jimmy, thanks for the feedback. I was not able to listen all the way through but will do so today. Greetings from Germany. T
PS. I finally got my Fury AB and enjoy it more every time I use it.
@@VortexNation finished listening. Good Info. Have about 1/3 of your stuff on board my twd van. Run it with nobby AT tires and get around my hunting lease fine. Used a spare wheel dug in laying flatt about a foot deep as an anker point with a long line to keep the angle small. Worked well for me then. For creature comforts i keep a gasoline stove and water with instant coffee and soup on board.
Podcast wish/request.
Shooting High power Air Rifles like the FX series in combination with the Fury Laser Rangefinding Binos.
👋🏻 T
@@tomlongbow That is awesome! Appreciate the listens and choosing Vortex!
Mark B.
Diesels are the worst for getting stuck in stupid places. They sink like a boat anchor.
Throw away those little folding shovels they are worth a crap. Gives a fauls sense of security.
No shit! A real, long handled shovel is a necessity. I live in Maine and there’s always a shovel in the car/truck/side by side. A real shovel.
They definitely don’t hold a candle to a full size shovel. If you’ve got a truck with a good sized bed then there’s your answer. I drive an SUV in the winter and haul dogs/kid and kid stuff/random car parts/etc and full sized shovels have a tendency to take up an annoying amount of space. I also don’t love mounting loads of stuff to the outside of the car either. The little shovel is a compromise. - Jimmy