Transformers Prime's Nightmarish Production
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- With Rise of the Beasts looming, PaperPlane takes a look back at the absurd behind the scenes drama that doomed Transformers Prime from the very beginning...
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Great video mah dude
Thanks
@@thegamingninja3578 what
@@googleyoflolz9930 what
@F.A. Coz no one else said it so I'm saying it for them
hi kumquat
"We dont care which decepticons live or die - as long as Knockout stays alive."
Absolute king.
Now I'm surprised that Megatron, Shockwave and Soundwave survived by the end, based on that statement.
Most based writing take I've ever seen
@@ltb1345 Did Soundwave really? He was basically written out of the show in the end
@@summitier22 He was, but he didn't really "survive" in a production sense, since he was no longer part of the show.
Yeah
It’s honestly amazing that with all of this going on in the background Transformers Prime still turned out to be an incredible show.
The 2nd best tv series!
It feels like an anomaly too, like the Clone Wars series of the Transformers franchise but even more solid in quality storytelling outside of a few janky emotional outbursts in times of crisis the characters still work and they're in different ways mature adults for a change, just with their own issues
Nice number of likes lol
Eh, Clone Wars is better. Clone Wars actually felt like it was being run by people who had a deep knowledge and love of Star Wars, and it even managed to fix the mistakes of the Prequels. Heck, it even made Jar-Jar a likable character!
@@TF2Fan101 Personally I don’t think neither of them are better. Both shows were amazing in their own right, and without them, we wouldn’t have the darker and mature animated shows like Arcane.
I would like to thank Prime for being brave enough to make Jack's mom thirsty for Optimus
That caught me off guard 😭
Bro. I Hated that bit, it was so cringe 😭 thank god it was only a one bit thing.
Also knockout watching porn
Fuck... i just searched this on the web and founded a Wattpad fan fiction of it called "Optimus prime x June Darby" . ..i hope the idiot know's that cybertronian's reproduce asexually and not sexually .
when did it happen
The fact that Prime still turned out looking as good as it did in less than half the expected development time is almost unbelievable. It really makes you wonder how good the show may have looked if they had given them the proper 2 years required.
Ironically, the animation still looks good, even though it took months in a half to complete it in time. I mean that’s probably one of the reasons why it won Emmys for 3 years.
Still, the animation looks better than most modern shows these days.
In my opinion, the 2019 final season of Clone Wars & the Bad Batch in Star Wars animation are the first examples of 3D Television animation that meets the level of detail, craft, and flair that Transformers Prime set.
Alas, I need to start my second watchthrough of Transformers Prime and playthrough of Fall of Cybertron
Nah, it definitely explains a lot. Always thought the show looked like garbage
@@HerohammerStudios l disagree
@@HerohammerStudios l disagree
i love the phrase of "everyone wants their endgame, but they don't remember they have to have their ironman 1" it explains the whole DCCU fiasco and i guess it also applied to the aligned continuity here
Everybody just wants the climax, not the build up to it.
i think the cybertron games was our ironman, and it was a hell of an ironman.
they just didnt fucking use it
Dceu did have their iron man, but they skipped to civil war then back to avengers
Now they gonna start over with a gay superman
@@loreaver3882 no? Also that’s not even what we’re talking about lmao
Wow. That explains why so many characters either stopped showing up, had their plot threads cut off or straight up died anti-climatically. Like, so much of Prime was left unanswered and unfinished, but I still loved the show.
I liked Prime. But the show was far more interesting with where they wanted to take it. Things like Bulkhead being permanently disabled. Cliffjumper dying at the end of season 1. Thundertron and the Starseekers. There was lots of other things too i cannot recall at the moment.
My dream series was always Prime designs with animated plot. But, it has left a lasting mark in the franchise.
This explains my love-hate relationship with the show; every set back they give the protagonists are overcome in such a short term that they lack any overall bearing on the show. Optimus siding with the Decepticons? Only lasts for the 3(?) episode season premiere. The possibility of Bumblebee's damaged t-cog preventing him from ever transforming again? Resolved 5 seconds after Ratchet explains the severity of Bumblebee's condition. Bulkhead being permanently disabled? Lasts for about 2 episodes. Optimus being in too critical a condition assume command of the Autobots, and being forced to apoint Smokescreen a successor? Goes nowhere with Optimus being given a newer and better chassis (body) towards the end of the season 3 premiere. The only permanent setback the shows gives its protagonists is Cliffjumper's deactivation at the beginning of the series, but the show overuses that event to the point it no longer feels impactful.
Nah the star seeker stuff sounded awful. What we got was better
@@pepperedash4424optimus was out of action for most of season 3
@@novustalks7525 Wrong, Optimus Prime came back in the 4th episode of season 3 "Rebellion". Meaning he was only out of action ~3 2/3 episodes out of a total 13 for season 3.
The fact that the show ended up finishing, and not only being good - but one of the greatest pieces of transformers media of all time, is a fucking miracle. I cannot believe it didn't explode into a disaster of bad writing or poor animation
Honestly, it kind of astonished me to hear everything about this show. Maybe it’s just because of the person I am, but I always enjoyed it without fault and without complaint no matter what. Nothing ever felt out of place for me, and the way that the story flowed always felt consistent and rewatchable through time and time again.
But to hear this feels… strange. To know the hell the writers went through, the insanity they had to endure, and to know how absolutely bonkers Hasbro was about all of it. Hearing the cut concepts makes me wish we had more (the original S3 and the eventual S4) but even through that I still love the show and not a single episode of it I dislike for any reason.
And some of the stranger things about the show I loved a whole lot, I must admit. The dead, almost lifeless backgrounds of Nevada filled with desert and not much color I actually loved a whole lot. The smaller cast, the celebrity voices, and everything else.
This is, bar none, my favorite Transformers show of all time.
I agree
I was disappointed and confused by 90% of the Beast Hunters toys never appearing in the show, but that was pretty much the one and only thing about the whole show that felt "off" to me.
Beast wars should be there too man!
All my thoughts in 1 comment
Best part is that it took bits from every continuity so it was full of Easter eggs, the final battle from Beast Hunters was a perfect throwback to the final battle from TF Cybertron which is still one of the best fights in Transformers to date
Transformers Prime really suffered in the long run because there were too many cooks in the kitchen and it feels like the executive higher ups didn’t care for it.
I just feel so bad for the entire crew who wanted to create a genuinely good show (writing wise), but they were forced to adhere to ideas that ultimately flopped *hard.*
At this point, just let TFP rest in peace. It lived its glory days, just let it be, people.
I think by season 2 wasn’t as good as it wanted it to be and there’s some bangers eps in season 2 but the filler was a lot though honestly the writers did as good as they did with the time they had especially in the end of season 2 but by season 3 I think it lost it unfortunately at least the ending was fine oh wait nvm RID ruined it
@@chupppy2086 um….by ‘filler’ you’re not referring to character focused episodes are you? Because character development is important too
I agree.
@@gracekim25 nah not those
Agreed but I don't want the art style to die out though, its so cool looking, the G1 nostalgia hype of recent years makes for lazy and stiff redesigns where what good could be found in the Bayverse was already neatly salvaged for TFP
Knockout literally shined every scene he was in
Just the mere thought of what the tfp team had to go through sends shivers down my spine
As much as I enjoyed Beast Hunters, I really wish we could’ve gotten the space pirates and/or that fourth season.
They wanted to do a fourth season with Animated, they wanted to do a fourth season with Prime...Dammit I wanna go to the universe where we have both of those 😠😤
@@saviitrius Nah fr which all the more makes me pissed at cartoon network & hasbro for canceling it so soon cause imagine while season 1 of TF prime was airing there also coulda had season 4 of TF animated running aswell to yk spread the content out further but that'll never happen unfortunately
And we got robbed of a Seaspray because of that, as hard as it is to appeal aquatic-mode Transformers, we were THIS close to getting Seaspray.
Darn.
@@Vhie05, didn't he get blown up off-screen in Season 2? Yeah... damn.
@@occam7382 yes, wheeljack stated he found seapray's ship but dreadwing got to it first and placed a bomb on it. Trying to blow them both up. In one of the s3 episode commentaries, it's said that the writers planned to reveal seaspray was alive all along
The show was still awesome, despite everything. I grew up in an @busive home and to say Transformers Prime was one of the few things that gave me joy in that environment would be a massive understatement. I would stalk my computer for news of the next episode every day until the final episode, then stalked all news of the movie until it's release. I must've rewatched the whole series at least four times now, and I still watch some of season 1 to this day, now 20 years old, just because of nostalgia. This show was like a cup of hot coco on a cold, winter's day for me.
How is your life now ?
Yo same like this show in particular really put me on to transformers as a whole besides the movies an animated which I wouldn't find out of a year later and at the times it was airing I was like in my late childhood to preteen years growing up which was very special to me and years after its ended I still like watching clips hear or there and someday maybe I could finally start a TF prime collection of all the figures
@@grandcanyon-fu9zt My life is much better, thank you
This is actually insane! Prime is probably my favorite Transformers series and is still a highlight from my childhood, but damn, I wasn't aware about any of this.
I knew the show was under budget and struggled to do what they can, but Jesus, this video shows the team were reeeaaallly under pressure.
Alot of people tend to trash on the show, but truly it's Hasbro fault for its stubbornness to greed after the bayverse movies.
I think the problem was that there were too many people trying to put in their own ideas. Kinda like with TLK, there were WAY too many writers for that movie, too many people, too many ideas.
it makes sense that they wanted to be kind of bayversey. The first episode's plot with the cliffjumper zombie fits better in a bayverse scenario than rather g1
What's truly amazing is the reach Transformers Prime has had. there are undoubtedly better shows in the franchise then Prime but something about it was very special, maybe it was the time or something else but it has such a large effect on the fandom. To this day I still see episodes being shared in foreign languages like Spanish, Russian and today I even saw it in Hindi. What an impact it's had.
As a person who was a child when show just aired(around 7 or 8 by the time season 2 was airing) i believe i can at least try to answer that question. And... As weird as it may sound, i believe that it was because of the timing.
So, early 2010's were as a whole an era in animation when cartoons started to become more dark and brave enough to actually raise mature themes or jokes while still being aimed at younger audiences. That goes to majority of cartoons of that era - TMNT, Gravity falls, My Little Pony, Avatar The last Airbender and even Sonic Boom. That's just to name a few, obviously there were a lot more. But all tried to appeal to as many audiences as possible, meaning shows had to have a coherent plot and something to keep both kids and their parents engaged. But in that crowd Transformers Prime really stood out even then, because this show wasn't holding back. For a 12+ rating(at least in my area) this show has some crazy amounts of violence(easiest example - a gory mess that was made out of Breakdown and then Silas, as well as a close-up shot of Starscream literally penetrating Cliffjumper's chest) and for me as a kid that was both scary and engaging. Which also fitted quite neatly with Bayverse that just was starting out back then and gained A LOT of popularity among newer generation. So TFP felt like a natural continuation of Bayverse(even if it was a whole different universe) since they shared the tone in some manner.
So. What we have? A show that was a breath of fresh air with it's dark tone, that was a part of the same franchize as two most popular movies of the past few years which created a whole new generation of fans. This show was always meant to have at least some viewership. But the fact that it had a relatively good writing and was broadcasted in late-evening(at least in the area where i live) also played it's role. This show was memorable at the very least and phenomenal at most.
Also, at least for me this show was able to replicate that same feel that 90's kids felt when they killed off Optimus for the first time. I never was really afraid of OP dying in movies, but in TFP that felt like a real thing. I remember watching fight for Omega Lock and thinking "They're gonna win" but then autobots lost and all hope was as well. And as autobots left the base i thought to myself "Wait, there's no way Optimus will die! He can't die! He must have escaped somehow!" And then final shots of season 2(Megatron and Starscream on autobot logo followed by Optimus' hand sticking out of the wreck) were shown. And yet i still was in denial untill season 3 where we actually saw Optimus die. Even for a bit, but we saw it. And oh boy if it had some real impact.
Hasbro knew exactly when the show should be released. And that probably was a reason for them to hurry up the production. And, looking at how well show did, i can say that they were right. Even if do wish show didn't went through such hell of a production, i can't deny the role it played in me becoming who i am today.
I can go on all day about why this specific series gained so much popularity, but to summarise everything said earlier: The success of the show was purely determined by the fact that this show appeared just at the right time and with just the right tone for new generation of transformers fans after first two Bayverse movies
Nah. To me, Prime was THE best show in the franchise. It did everything perfectly imo.
there are undoubtedly no better shows lmao tfp was amazing
@@RileyWritey I agree
@@2048-j7q I think you hit the nail in the head given I’m around the same age. Prime was the show that really got me into Transformers and is the Clone Wars equivalent to TF franchise in that it’s show aimed at kids that respect their intellect and had a pair of balls, something Arcane took more than few pages out TFP and Clone Wars’ books IMO.
TEN MONTHS! (another good video pp)
Honestly, the Aligned continuity as a whole was a *mess*
Ignoring the varying levels of quality of its different projects and stories, it felt like there wasn’t a concerted effort to keep things consistent in terms of continuity, resulting in a LOT of details not lining up (e.g. Starscream knowing about Dark Energon in WfC when in Prime he says it’s a legend, Prime stating it was Orion being granted the Matrix that transformed him into Optimus Prime when WfC establishes he was already called Optimus by other Autobots, characters from Prime showing up at the end of the Beast Hunters comic, itself a sequel/follow-up to FoC, and the coup de gras… RiD 2015).
G1 or nothin.
As much as I love TF Prime, I agree that the Aligned continuity is indeed a mess and that saddens me a lot. It would have been better if the games were in a separate timeline, same with RB and RBA.
The Prime characters crossing over with the FOC Dinobots was an intentional effort to make it clear that they were in the same universe.
@@ltb1345 When did that happen?
@@Pigrain in the comics one of the beast hunters I believe when they revive Cybertron the dinos showed up.
And in the rage of the dinos we see prime shockwave with new predacons.
And despite all this..
TFP ended up being one of the greatest Transformers shows ever made (still sad about Dreadwing's death tho...)
I think the limited number of props, repetitive locations, lack of atmosphere, and the vibe just not being the same after Season 1 is something that doesn't get brought up as often as it should. Even simple stuff like the sound design suffers too. Despite this there are flashes of what could have been had sufficient resources and time been allocated to do more.
Now I get why Season 3 seemed like such a drop in quality compared to the first two.
I’m surprised the show turned out as consistent as it did with how much interference went on behind the scenes. Sure, it wasn’t perfect, but it was still a great show overall. It influenced a bit of my fanfic, Riding A Sunset.
Prime will always be my favorite TF property solely because of how wonderful Arcee's character was. She was fantastic. Even if she wasn't enough, we still got Knockout, Soundwave, and other awesome stuff
Being reminded that Prime was only 3 seasons and a movie makes me remember how TF shows seem to have a curse of never being able to have 4 seasons.
G1 had a false start, Beast Wars was 3, Machines and RID/Car Robots had 2, the Unicron Trilogy were one long season each, Animated was 3, Prime was 3 + a movie, RID/Adventure & Cyberverse had 3.
The ONLY show with 4 full seasons was Rescue Bots of all things, likely due to its success as a preschooler series, which is also why several people discount it as a "proper" show. It's sequel of Rescue Bots Academy had only 2, the first to do so since RID/Car Robots.
Having 3 Seasons isn't a curse its a Television Wide standard. Usually if you get three seasons that's standard for a successful T.V. Program. Though I understand the raised brows at Transformers never getting a long series despite its cultural influence.
@@mitchellalexander9162 i was only referring to Transformers but didn't know 3 seasons was a standard.
Japanese G1 technically had six seasons and two OVAs but it's debatable whether it counts as one continuous series or two series of "Fight! Super Robot Life Form Transformers!" (dubbed seasons 1 and 2 of US G1, ) one series of "Transformers: 2010" (dubbed season 3 of US G1, ) one series of "Transformers: Headmasters, " one series of "Transformers:Super God Masterforce, " one series of "Transformers: Victory, " and the OVAs "Transformers: Zone" and "Scramble City."
RID has 4
I remember watching this show as a kid, and took its quality for granted until 10 years later I remembered it and tried to figure out why it was cancelled which lead me to this great video which taught me about drama I didn't know existed. I guess thinking back it's amazing to think about what could've been accomplished if they didn't have this stupid drama overhanging it.
It’s crazy to think that they cast the Rock as Cliffjumper only to kill him off in the first 5 minutes of the first episode. I get that he was too expensive but why would they even cast him in the first place?
I seriously would've preferred a much less bigger-name actor playing Cliffjumper if it meant he would've gotten more development and screentime before his death. I just would've loved to actually care about the guy and feel sad about his death instead of just feeling...indifferent.
@@cromanticheer A few years ago I let my friend at the time borrow my DVD copy of season 1 and the night he started watching it I got a random text from him saying, "Goodbye, Cliffjumper. I never knew you."
@@saviitrius lmao
Yeah fr like why would they go after someone like the rock who's asking price is so exprnsive as a movie star and have him to voice a character just to then get killed of only for a handful mins in and then for us to feel sad for him
It's cliff. The sole reason of his existence is to die. He dies in every single continuity he's been confirmed to be into
To think this all started in part because they cancelled Animated season 4 because Hasbro wanted to make and control their own media through their own tv station.
This explains so many of the gripes I have with show. It was the first ts series I watched and it's got a special place in my heart, but dear lord, have I come to see many of it's problems over the years.
I do honestly want to see what they would have done with the Star Seekers
What's amazing is that, apart from a mention at the start, Alex Kurtzman is nowhere in this video. This is surprising given just how effective the man is at writing awful crap and running things into the ground, often by making them the antithesis of what those properties claim to be.
Yeah, I was honestly surprised he had any involvement with TF Prime. Guess that continuity bible really got under his skin and he barely did anything as a result.
Its crazy that they had a lot of problems and alot of the transfomers fanbase say this is one of if not the best show
Good grief. With all that going on, it's amazing to me that the show even survived through season 3. And you have to hand it to the production team for even being able to somewhat work their way through the mess of all the mandates for changes they had to deal with.
I'm glad the show wound up good in spite of its problems behind the scenes 😊
It’s such a shame that we could have had so much more from the show, especially a FOURTH SEASON. As someone who grew up on TFP, it’s really sad to think about what could have been and that the reason it didn’t happen was because of internal issues happening throughout the entirety of the show.
There was so much good stuff on tv at the time, TF Prime, Symbionic Titan, Motorcity, Tron Uprising, DBZ, Bleach, etc.
I remember when TFPrime came out, it was not well-received. The dedicated fans like me loved it, sure, but I remember many arguments on Facebook with geniuses who would swear on their mother's graves that Beast Wars' PS1-era graphics was soooo much better.
If only Hasbro could do a remaster of Beast Wars in Primes art style and animation
I can say this as someone who watched this show as a tot:
All these issues, and it still wound up painfully dull.
Now with that said, the piranhacon fan base is about to come after me so I won't be for long for this world.
Prime as a show to me feels more amazing in concept than execution. It's tough to watch it without seeing that it didn't have a concrete foundation of where it was going and what it was doing with its sudden dropping of key characters and plot threads, and then just season 3 being what it was. Overall a decent show with great animation and voice acting, but a shambles of storytelling and structure
Love the video btw
That wasn't how I perceived it at all. Everything felt like it flowed naturally to me.
What you is very true.
I feel that's way too harsh on the show. You make it sound like it's unwatchable when it not even close to bad. I just rewatched the show, fully aware of its flaws, and it's even better than I remember. There are many other shows that actually fit "great ideas, bad execution" but Prime handles both really well.
I’d give anything to get to read that binder…
i still like prime, but the fact that the writers didn’t want to be associated with the cybertron games because they’re games really hurts
what the writers were thinking? the show bible is your guide, ugh gosh that was a big mistake.
they went crazy with being unique but still managed to give us such a great show.
they should have planned more thoroughly for this. it could have been way better.
I went to a bird show in Africa that had one of these birds and that "cackle" is a lot more impressive in person.
I grew up with TFP and it was the 1st Transformers anything I have ever watched. To me, it is the greatest thing ever. No other Trnasformers show captures the whole lore behind their stories and presents in such a mature and realistic way as TFP. I love the more cartoonish Transformers generations but this one has something about it that has your attention. Its serious enough to have a strict storyline that means something and to have a high quality in storytelling but not enough to make you sit there and turn you away from it after some time, only cuz its just like those other TV shows that mature and serious and with good quality where they lose you after a season. TFP keeps up with audience and makes you wanna watch more. I wish they made a TFP prequel where we see the early days of Cybertron, the war and everything. No other Transformers show showed the lore behind their current status on Earth and that is just sad. Because most people don't know how the system worked and that Megatron was a slave and why he even tried to do something about changing the system. TFP is thr only one who focused on lore and still held attention and I want more of that so bad. Why not do a prequel of the War of Cybertron. Just like TFP. It would be so good.
Wow. Prime was great and I loved it. Never knew all this was going on in the background. The aligned continuity is try a large glorious mess.
It’s honestly amazing how despite all of the bs that went on during production, Transformers Prime still ended up as, in my opinion, the best transformers show of all time, and one of the greatest cartoons of all time as well.
The behind the scenes really sucks because it ruined Prime, especially season 3. Prime is still a good show but it still had a ton of problems that people ignore because they just think it's the best show ever which they have all right to believe btw. It's a messy masterpiece
It wasted characters and the human characters were poorly written but still a great show + nothing is perfect
My biggest problem with Prime is... Honestly, it felt like there was never any meaningful or lasting character development. Heck, Smokescreen was easily the best character in the entire show, but after the Season 3 premiere, any interesting stuff with his character was dropped and never brought up again.
You know it’s a problem when Rescue Bots (Which is actually really good) has more consistent character development and quality than Prime did.
And then there’s one of my least favorite characters in TF history... Miko. I know this character has her fans, but I just don’t like her. Mainly because she *never* *learns* and *never* *grows* as a character. Heck, when originally watching the show, I was actively *rooting* for the Decepticons to just kill her in the Season 2 finale. Honestly, I think even the writers knew the fans hated her character because in Season 3, they had that whole nonsense of Miko somehow being able to put on the Exo-Armor despite nothing being established that the armor was compatible with an organic being.
Sorry for the rant. I just don’t like Miko.
Probably because polygon pictures really liked the character of Mike so she has the more developed and much more Expressfull model than any other human characters.
A mí tampoco me gusto Miko, incluso a día de hoy sigo siendo indiferente a ella.
Miko es el estereotipo de estudiante de intercambio simbólico, así de simple. Se tomaba la guerra cómo sí fueran vacaciones de verano. Lo único bueno qué tiene es tener una excelente actriz de voz y listo. También coincido perfectamente qué el qué ella pueda usar la armadura Apex fue una fumada. Lo de qué ella se colara en el portal terrestre fue para involucrar a los humanos en la trama de forma innecesaria.
Lo qué voy a decir probablemente sea una opinión impopular y qué no coincida con la mayoría, pero me hubiera gustado qué hubieran puesto a Sierra (la crush de Jack en la serie qué sólo aparecia cómo cameo) en el equipó Prime y no a Miko, así al menos no tendríamos qué ver las estupideces de la chica japonesa.
The only part I liked about Miko is that she killed Hardshell.
We lost Animated S4 for this...but we got Knockout. Also the Hub network died, rip.
That intro was the best 2 seconds of my life I’ve ever had
I was rewatching some prime after seeing One for the 4th time, and thought “why do I think this is a good show, but I feel empty and sad watching it?” And then I remembered your observations about the show lacking atmosphere.
Listening to this again makes me wish we got a season 4.
Imagine if TFP went the micheal bay route. I wonder if it would try to be canon to the movies or something
To me it seems to be an alternate universe take on the Bayverse. The alt modes are definitely inspired from the bayverse. The colour schemes and even the decepticon designs take inspiration from the bayverse. Bumblebee is mute and talk through beeps just like in the bayverse and also the score. Also the writers for the show wrote the script for the 2007 transformers movie.
Kinda reminds me of Spider-Man TNAS in that regard, which was a show that was written to be a sequel to the first Spider-Man movie. TFP may have not been a sequel but it was definitely heavily inspired by Bayverse. I was just bummed we never got to see Prime versions of Blackout and Barricade
the best we can say to the team that produced Transformers Prime, and any Transformers production is this: "Thank you, This is a beautiful work of art."
You know, I knew there was issues in Prime's development. But had no clue how deep it went XD
I’d honestly surprised it wasn’t transformers revenge of the fallen or bumblebee considering one was literally in the middle of the writers strike and was on a time limit with Megan fox and Michael apparently having problems and bumblebee script was change so many times to WW2 to now and the everyone question if it’s canon to the bay verse even when the movie came out it was still questionable if it was or wasn’t
Says nothing malicious was going on
Meanwhile: Literal corporate crunch hell
The season 3 we got sounds so much better than whatever nonsense they had planned.
How this hot mess turned out to be the most loved and popular show in the fandom.Maybe be there was a wisdom in that chaos
Hasbro should've just let them do the show & just interfered when they broke continuity too far. I love the idea of a joined universe but studios need to take it one step at time instead of just rushing it.
I love how basically every TF media. Had a nightmarish background especially animated. I don't know about the Unicron trilogy but I can tell it was a disaster lol.
UA-cam just recommended me this video and I'm glad it it.
To be honest, TFP was my favorite Transformers series (and it still is).
I will quickly summarize some pros and cons :
Pros :
-greatly designed (and rendered) models (especially bots like Megatron, Arcee, Dreadwing/Skyquake) ;
-dialogues ;
-the first 5 episodes were of the highest quality ;
-agent Fowler ;
-how great they developed the characters, especially the decepticons (this Megatron might be one of the best versions , also people love Knockout and Soundwave) ;
Cons :
-empty universe , no atmosphere most of the time ;
-the humans are rendered horribly in comparison to the bots (agent Fowler looks fine I guess, Cylas and agent Bryce too, but the kids? where are the eyebrows? why their eyes look like plastic?) ;
-the human kids, while not the worst, were sometimes pretty annoying ;
-no physics at all during the fights, the robots jump and stay in the air like they have no weight or there is no gravity, they don't create momentum to launch their punches ;
-the vehicons getting so weak that Arcee can destroy a squad of 10 is weird, considering the first two in episode 1 were able to almost destroy Arcee and Bumblebee in a 2v2 (and even showed intelligence/fear when they got outnumbered when Bulkhead joined) ;
-bad decisions regarding Breakdown/Cylas/Skyquake , MECH appeared as such a serious and menacing human villain, only to turn into some filler side quest later on ;
-if they decided to put plastic sticks instead of humans, they could've put a bit more I guess ;
-the shining on characters looks so horrible sometimes...
In defense of the kids, they did get better later in the show. Especially Miko. That girl came into her own after she got Hardshell.
@@saviitrius She also almost got Bulkhead killed and lost the theories about the production on synthetic energon. She got herself and the others trapped into the shadow zone just so he could take some pictures of the fight. She trapped herself and Bulkhead under the deep decepticon mines to sing stupid rock. Maybe she redeemed herself , but I was annoyed af. I doubt that IRL agent Fowler or the autobots would tolerate something like this with so much ease.
@@alexale5488 She got better in season three. You mentioned stuff that happened in the other two seasons. She was a little too carefree but she can be molded into a disciplined adult by Fowler and the Autobots. The progress was clearly there, and she displayed her usefulness to the team by adorning the apex armor. I was happy to learn the girl already knew how to fight.
This is coming from someone who also thought she was annoying, which made me more grateful for her development.
dwayne johnson as cliff really made me question my reality when i found out 2 weeks ago
True, Prime suffered from lack of living, breathing environments but so did 2012's TMNT and both turned out to be one of my favorite iterations of the respective franchises.
And to think we were so close to having Dinobot Grimlock vs Predaking but due to these issues they had to scrap it up.
aligned continuity more like misaligned continuity .
The show that convinced CBS to hire Kurtzman to do Star Trek... Discovery.
wait really?
@@abastionofbricks7575 Not exactly. Just an assumption on why they’d hire him to do Star Trek.
When paper is plaining
Wow, I had no idea. That's sad. Imagine a story telling about the origins of the Primes, and how each of the thirteen Primes came from a colony world they called their home.
For those of you unfamiliar with Warhammer 40k, this sounds a lot like they wanted to turn their Primes from Transformers into the Primarchs from 40k, how each Prime/Primarch came from a world that wasn't Earth/Cybertron. For example, Mortarion, the Primarch of the Death Guard and my personal favorite Primarch, came from Barbarus, so Megatronus Prime, my personal favorite Prime, could come from some volcanic world.
Wow this honestly explains a lot and it’s a miracle this show is as good as it is! I can’t fathom turning around an entire season in 10 months! Another great video man!
A season 4 can still be done, and I so badly want Prime to get a proper resurrection after the disrespect of RID. Maybe his spark could be drawn back to the well after drifting for a while, and he forms and body out of the wreckage of his old one. He doesn't have to be on a mission to smash any bigger, badder bad guys. He could just get a chance to live. Maybe get to watch Smokescreen, Bee and Knockout grow up, maybe go back to Earth.
The show itself could just be about intertribal warfare, and the pirates they mentioned, as little groups try to rebuild Cybertron.
By far my favourite transformers show and 2nd favourite animated show.
I have so much respect for the animators and writers for TFP now
In my opinion the best case of a connected universe besides the MCU is the DC Animated Universe. It started out with Batman TAS and branched out into one of the best superhero franchises with stuff like Justice League and Unlimited.
I love TFP but don’t love all of its writing and this is insane. This makes a lot of sense and I’m shocked that the final product is still really good!
Even with all this nightmare I think Prime took great elements from the world of TF and it made the show pretty fkn great.
It is an amazing show indeed.
How could they not afford David Kaye? They got him 6 times in a row before.
Really insightful, dude. One of the major rerasons the series got canned & there was a major restructuring at Hasbro was because of the commercial failure of their 'Battleships' movie.
So they were order to start gutting things & staqrted cutting corners wherever they could
I don't think anyone had any control over Prime; everyone had their own contradictory ambitions, so whatever progress they made was by the skin of their teeth.
I honestly loved this show as kid still do now, but now it makes total sense why they placed the show in Nevada bc it would’ve been stupid expensive if it were in a big city. But aside from the obvious it was a show that adults could watch at least, it didn’t feel campy or too kiddish. 10 out of 10 show for what they had going on behind the scenes, who know how great it would’ve been if they were able to do it how they wanted to
I just binged all of Transformers Prime for the very 1st time and that was 🔥🔥🔥!!! Man, how did I not know about this show years ago?!?!? It’s awesome and has a perfect balance of human interaction in it! It’s not overkill like live action tried to incorporate. Look at TLK for goodness, that focused more on the humans than the Bots. It was Indiana Jones treasure hunt and some small scenes of the bots. Total disrespect to the franchise. I don’t get it…there’s so much potential here with this franchise. Look at all the material out there already, movies can use some of that in their movies with their own twists. Please don’t tell us that there’s nothing more to film on Live Action Transformers
So you’re saying that the screen writers for the bay films wrote Transformers prime? If I had told those two, which to write first, I would’ve told them to write transformers prime first, and then the live action movies.
The aligned continuity did its job at the end of the day when it came to establishing the status quo for the backstory and story for transformers as a whole
One of the best Transformers shows, *OF* all time, was basically put together with super glue and twigs, while everyone was fighting about what goes where and the house is on fire...
I’m sorry…….ten months? TEN MONTHS!? How in the ever living fuck is that even possible!? As usual great video but I’m still stumped trying to figure this out in my head.😑
I think that smaller cast works perfectly for a Transformers series. Both Beast Wars and Prime are considered the best series for a reason: If you have less characters, it's easier to focus on them more.
watching the show you could never guess what happened behind the screen
TF prime as a universe & continuity holds a very special place in my heart for this was the show that really put me on to the transformers brand as a whole and sometimes what I like to do is like write fan theories on what season 4 could've been like if still continued just cause I love this show even wit all the trouble it went through behind the scenes
5:37 and we see how well that’s working out for them
The failure of the aligned continuity is one the biggest disappointments of my life so far, so much potential wasted. It ruined my love for Transformers for a while until recently with the Generations toyline and Earthspark. And with the Transformers Reactive announcement, it once again feels like the early 2010s
Earthspark is terrible and makes everyone gay. There's no real plot or action, it's kiddie stuff
8:08 the TFP theme song
Brings back memories
i didnt even know this show had such a complicated production. I also didn't even know the show was suppose to have a fourth season. I thought season 3 with the final movie wrapped everything up perfectly. One of the few best cartoons that didnt get cancelled unfinished
I feel you and I understand your concerns very well, ediotaurus😢
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If only we could’ve gotten a more functional setup backing up production
Honestly, even season 3 & the movie were great imo. I loved the predacons, especially Predaking. When Prime got the upgrade the show needed a new more powerful villain to keep the Autobot's underdog status (plus his VA & design are perfect). Season 3 also gave us Shockwave, which is my personal favorite depiction of the character. And with Megatron's death at the hand of the scout he took the voicebox of, I felt that was a much better ending than Optimus doing the deed (even tho he was revived by Unicron lol). I just wish RiD did something good with this series' aftermath. A revived Cybertron + Renewed Megatron would've been interesting to see. Almost like what Earthspark is trying to do.
honestly, this is why EarthSpark intrigues me. Even if it isn't beholden to any particular continuity, the fact that it wants to explore these narrative possibilities makes me SO happy!!!
i love transformers prime so much , knew some of this but not all. Thank you!!
Didn't realize tfp had such a troubled production. Noice vod :P
oh my. I knew it was bad but... 250k for a production bible that was never used??? Damn